Beckham Jr. returning punts?

of the guy replacing Beckham with 11 seconds left? "I'm cannon fodder "

WEAKNESSES Adequate height. Lacks elite top-end speed to separate vertically. Could stand to polish the finer points of his route running. Inconsistent making contested grabs -- can be out-muscled in a crowd. Has some concentration drops. Can improve as a blocker. Was not an impactful punt returner. Was held in check by Florida and Alabama.
Beckham draft profile - ( New Window )

I agree ..he probably should not since there is so little to gain and so much to loose. But next season in big situations when the team needs a spark ...HELL YESS!!

i'd want him back there.

In comment 12037506 arcarsenal said:

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Oh my god. Make it fucking stop. Someone. Anyone. PLEASE. Make. It. Fucking. Stop.

+1

In comment 12037559 tribs said:

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with 20 seconds left on the clock....then yes, you should probably put someone else in.

I don't if they showed it on TV, but OBJ was not originally out there on that last punt. It was DRC, then someone yelled at him to get off the field and OBJ ran back out there. No idea where the miscommunication was, but considering how fragile DRC is these days, that was the last person I expected out there.

Why even bother having anyone back there? Just let the ball bounce around and keep the Giants little precious veal medallions on the bench. We don't want anyone getting any boo boos or ouchies.

In comment 12037716 B in ALB said:

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Why even bother having anyone back there? Just let the ball bounce around and keep the Giants little precious veal medallions on the bench. We don't want anyone getting any boo boos or ouchies.

That was probably the smart play!

In comment 12037716 B in ALB said:

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Why even bother having anyone back there? Just let the ball bounce around and keep the Giants little precious veal medallions on the bench.

lmfao

Playing wideout, slot, running reverses, throwing, playing safety or corner, coaching, creating new plays, and taking the entire preseason off again.

Whatever he wants.

In comment 12037620 Ralph.C said:

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WEAKNESSES Adequate height. Lacks elite top-end speed to separate vertically. Could stand to polish the finer points of his route running. Inconsistent making contested grabs -- can be out-muscled in a crowd. Has some concentration drops. Can improve as a blocker. Was not an impactful punt returner. Was held in check by Florida and Alabama. Beckham draft profile - ( New Window )

Haha, did the guy who wrote that ever watch Beckham play? That's almost a complete 180 from what he's shown this season...

In comment 12037716 B in ALB said:

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Why even bother having anyone back there? Just let the ball bounce around and keep the Giants little precious veal medallions on the bench. We don't want anyone getting any boo boos or ouchies.

I get the sarcasm, but that's almost the smart play. Kill a few extra seconds while the ball bounces around (granted they'd still probably have to go out for 1 snap in the V formation).

way too much risk for little-to-no reward given the giants current situation. it's foolish.

Not sarcasm. Is it?

In comment 12037861 81_Great_Dane said:

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Not sarcasm. Is it?

I don't think so, but I don't know the specific stats. I think most people just equate punt returning with kick returning since they are both special teams. And there is a higher risk of injury on kick returns.

In comment 12037847 GiantNatty said:

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way too much risk for little-to-no reward given the giants current situation. it's foolish.

By that logic why even play the game?

In comment 12037504 dep026 said:

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as a punt returner..... - Antonio Brown, Julian Edelman, Randall Cobb, Keenan Allen.

This question should be put to bed. To add some more to the list.

Earl Thomas, Keenan Allen, Percy harvin, Dez Bryant.

It's obviously completely stupid to risk this kid in a meaningless season.

When he started returning punts. nobody realized that he would be this amazingly good and Giants were still nominally in the playoff hunt. At this point, there is no reason to continue having him returning points.

It's also especially dangerous having a rookie do it because he is more likely to put himself in danger, trying to make a big play.

He should be removed from that duty immediately.

You don't risk an asset like that for little or no reward.

and none since 2012

But, hey, don't let facts get in the way of your "argument"

"the rage of the Coughlin lovers".

What a complete, fucking tool.

Yeah, let's shit on Coughlin for everything because, dammit, I'm mad we are having a bad year again!

I'm fairly certain if he put Randle back there and he started fucking up punt returns, the "Coughlin haters" would be pout in force with some happy horseshit about not playing to win or not putting players in a position to succeed.

Giants are out of contention. And none of those receivers are anywhere near OBJ as a talent.

Cowboys removed Dez from returning punts because they did not want him injured.

Plus, you knuckleheads have not even cited your best counter example, which would be Tim Brown.

When are people going to figure out that a player can get hurt on any fucking given play?

If you're too worried about him getting hurt on a punt return, he may as well just sit on the sidelines on all offensive plays as well, because.. well.. he might get hurt!

you have to be feeling pretty sure of yourself.

In comment 12037922 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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"the rage of the Coughlin lovers". What a complete, fucking tool. Yeah, let's shit on Coughlin for everything because, dammit, I'm mad we are having a bad year again!

I'm not shitting on Coughlin. I'm shitting on the "Coughlin lovers." Subtle difference that seems to have escaped your attention.

Anyone who has watched Coughlin knows that is the way he coaches. If you have Coughlin as your coach, you have to accept that he is going to run the ball and he is never going to make an exception for a "talented" player over a lesser player. He treats all players equally.

I have no problem with that.

But I do have a problem with OBJ being placed at risk in a meaningless season.

The organization should intervene and remove OBJ from punt returns. That's what Jerry Jones did with Dez.

The "rage" of the Coughlin lovers is the tendency to launch a knee-jerk attack on anyone posting something critical about Coughlin--even when that "something critical" is the product of misconstrual

In comment 12037946 oipolloi said:

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Giants are out of contention. And none of those receivers are anywhere near OBJ as a talent. Cowboys removed Dez from returning punts because they did not want him injured. Plus, you knuckleheads have not even cited your best counter example, which would be Tim Brown.

Even more reason to sit them, since they are more valuable at WR... right?

In comment 12037969 Mad Mike said:

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you have to be feeling pretty sure of yourself.

Sir, your talents are being wasted on BBI. That quick wit should not be hidden on an obscure message board. Have you ever considered auditioning for film or the stage?

also make the argument that at this stage, why play OBJ at all, why take the risk when the games are meaningless.

are leveled that are neither logical nor valid, criticizing the "Coughlin haters" or even Coughlin just sounds foolish, but you are pretty fucking adept at looking that way often.

by him returning punts right now. I'm just conflicted with how the Giants seem to win out when there's nothing at stake and move themselves further down the draft board. We could really use a top ten player.

In comment 12037990 Les in TO said:

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also make the argument that at this stage, why play OBJ at all, why take the risk when the games are meaningless.

That is not the same argument at all. He is developing as a WR, gaining chemistry with Eli. His future is at WR. Not punt returner.

In general, star players do not play specials. The only reason OBJ is returning punts is because he is a young player. It was understandable at first but it makes no sense now that he has emerged as a generational talent.

In comment 12037991 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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are leveled that are neither logical nor valid, criticizing the "Coughlin haters" or even Coughlin just sounds foolish, but you are pretty fucking adept at looking that way often.

Sorry, fatman, but arguing that OBJ should be removed from punt return duties is both logical and valid.

Fassel was roundly criticized by fans and media when Sehorn was injured. And while Sehorn was a fine player, he was not a generational talent like OBJ appears to be.

Plus, I don't think you actually disagree with me. I think if the decision were yours to make, you would remove OBJ from punt returns. You were just irritated by my phrasing and looking to pick an argument.

When he gets the BBI Trophy at training camp, he's already doomed.

you at all. And for the record, I thought people criticizing Fassel for having Sehorn return kickoffs were morons, too.

You can't just pick and choose spots where to criticize - you can't claim Coughlin doesn't put players in a position to succeed or doesn't play rookies and all the other blather, and then also complain when he does the very things people say he doesn't.

And to say a dynamic player shouldn't be returning punts simply because of a team's record is NOT logical. If it were logical then it would be reasonable to say that no promising starter should be put in a position where they could possibly be injured if a team is eliminated from the playoffs. In essence, an argument could be made for playing ALL subs to give them experience and to keep the starters healthy for the following season. If it were logical. It isn't.

Football players are put on the field to play. you can't coach to prevent injuries and you can play to prevent injuries.

The Giants have had horrible luck with injuries that derail careers.

We've had too many First and Second-round picks lost due to serious injuries. Protecting your investing IS a thing. I would understand it if they took him off returns.

He is good at it. The "fumble" aside he is having a good year doing it so far and we need him there.

I am holding out hope that we play the Rams tough and a break-away punt return could go a long way for us!

In comment 12038059 oipolloi said:

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In comment 12037990 Les in TO said: Quote: also make the argument that at this stage, why play OBJ at all, why take the risk when the games are meaningless. That is not the same argument at all. He is developing as a WR, gaining chemistry with Eli. His future is at WR. Not punt returner. In general, star players do not play specials. The only reason OBJ is returning punts is because he is a young player. It was understandable at first but it makes no sense now that he has emerged as a generational talent.

understand your point - deion sanders returned punts for his entire career as a generational talent at CB; and the rewards outweighed any downside.

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Fuck keeping him on the bench Blue Baller : 11:18 am : link : reply I don't want him leaving his bed.

How do they get his bed to the bench with him in it?

Sounds more dangerous than returning punts.

agreed. he shouldnt have been returning a punt with 10 seconds left. Moreover he wanted no part of it and fumbled.

with Beckham trying to fair-catch the football and dropping it? It was obvious what he was doing there at the end of the game. All he had to do was catch the ball. He wasn't returning it.

As for the other returns - you play to win the game - you put your best players in the best spots to make plays. This is the job of the head coach. Beckham can get hurt just as easily running a crossing route or shallow cross against the grain with oncoming safeties or linebackers looking to line him up.

Should we eliminate those plays from the playbook so he doesn't get hurt? Hell, why even play the fucking kid if all of these games are "meaningless"? Ask that question of someone who actually plays the fucking game and they'll look like you're outta your gourd.

It's pretty simple stuff that some of the mouthbreathers like oipoloi just cannot grasp.

Spot on

We've been through this discussion ad nausem. I can see not playing Beckham in the last punt because it was just a fair catch job. I'd have used Randle for that.

The only argument I can see for NOT using Beckham to punt return is that it could possibly tire him for his receiver job.

I think that in a game normally he should be returning punts because he will be the returner of the future and needs all the practice that he can get (Because during practice he also has to practice as a receiver). In this case though there was no reason for anyone to be back there, even to fair catch it, because there was a chance that the punt could be muffed. Instead, it would have been a good chance to practice blocking a punt.

When he went to SF, Siefert removed him from punt returns precisely because of the injury risk. Next two years in Dallas, he did not return punts.

He famously was inserted in the playoffs to return punts. Hence, the difference between "meaningful" and "meaningless games."

Deion did not agree with the decision and he did go back to returning punts later in his career.

Deion was also one of the most explosive returners in history. He had 6 TD returns. If OBJ was on his level as a returner, then maybe you could justify it. So far, he has not demonstrated that.

Also, most star WRs would probably be fairly good punt returners, but most of them don't do it--because in general, it is not a good idea. This is especially true with a young player. A veteran is going to have a much better idea of when to FC. Young players make mistakes by trying to do too much.

But you all know this. If the Jets were risking a star player like this, you would all be laughing at Rex. But because it's the Giants you feel compelled to defend it.

on (unless I missed it) was that POS late hit way out of bounds and the fact OBJ almost got taken out by that sideline heater. Maybe move that shit further back off the field or put padding around it.

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those who are for it don't understand field position and the game of football.

No. It's a matter of risk/reward. The risk is too great for the best offensive weapon this franchise has seen. They took Tiki out of that spot, once it was clear he was our offensive MVP. Plus, has he even been getting better than average yardage on his returns?

a risk/reward thing. Look at B's post. If this were a risk/reward thing then playing any meaningful player in a game that has little status would be idiotic. You'd bench everyone and play scrubs so injuries didn't get somebody. You'd never throw to Beckham or have him run more than a quarter speed while on the field to "save" him.

No matter how much people want to make this into an arguable debate, it isn't. at least not to anyone who isn't an idiot.

is there any other team in NFL in which the team's number 1 receiver is also returning punts?

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quesiton giantfanboy : 2:50 pm : link : reply is there any other team in NFL in which the team's number 1 receiver is also returning punts?

None. Except for the several examples listed above.

oi is still going???

awesomeness

it important to keep him in that role.