Two weeks ago, most on this site felt that it was time for a change. How does beating the worst team in football and playing a mediocre game against RGIII and the woeful Redskins change the equation? The bottom line this team hasn't played good football since the Dallas game in 2012 (away). We have missed the playoffs 5 of 6 years. Every year, we blame it on a coordinator. The defense has been atrocious this year and the offense not nearly as bad, but not very good either. At what point is the HC responsible for this mess.
And, to the people who will blame Reese, remember when we won Super Bowls, we didn't really light up the regular season. The only regular season in over a decade that we did really well was 2008(maybe you can count 05). The 2 Super Bowls matter, but it isn't like the record was so good that you can just excuse three bad seasons. My fear is just like last year, we will be having the same conversations next year as we have had this year and last. It is time for a change.
If they feel Ben McAdoo is the head coach for the future, but are not ready to turn it over to him just yet, you don't bring in a new head coach and force your OC on him...
You keep a two time SB winning coach in place, who will gradually release complete offensive duties to your future HC and replace your DC...
The team has rallied around TC over the past few weeks and he is still one hell of a motivator...
As ironic as it is... If McAdoo is your future, TC is your present...
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Anyway. The rationale for keeping Coughlin is pretty simple. They probably like McAdoo and view him as a potential heir apparent and know that kicking Coughlin to the curb means they both go.
This team had some pretty clear personnel deficiencies this year. I don't think another coach was going to make much more of this roster. Especially with all of the injuries.
Coughlin does deserve some blame but I understand the logic behind keeping him.
It cannot seriously be the rationalE that we are keeping a losing program for three years in place because we think the BM is the answer. There are so many more accomplished offensive people out there that would jump at this job. McDaniels to name one.
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Your post is very foolish.
Having said that I want to keep TC and BA and get rid of PF.
If you have any doubts you should really watch his Football Life again.
Even being average with the offensive talent they are putting out there is a plus for McAdoo. With the line + TE + RB situaiton they have no business being even average. The only two players on offense who are any better than average are Eli and Beckham.
He was hired because of young/fresh innovative ideas to get the offense up & running.
A head coach must be a leader of men AND know his football. I believe that if Coughlin was to be replaced in 2015 or 2016, the Giants would consider several others before looking to McAdoo as a successful, proven leader.
Their ideal plan may never come to fruition, but that's what the speculation was before the year. And you continue to hear how much ownership and front office like McAdoo. He's well thought of around the league.
huh? Isn't that all of them? Talking about the girls and Brett.
If Coughlin is head coach in 2015, it will be shocking if McAdoo isn't the next HC when Tom retires.
Two losing seasons in a row. Likely a top 10 pick in the draft. How much worse could it get
take away 07 and 2011and a lot of years ended in disappointment under Under him.loaded with bad home losses to. from the panther wild card game in 05 to the eagle divisional playoff game in 08.2009 5-0 and don't make the playoffs...2010 the eagle collapse and finish 10-6 and don't make the playoffs .. Even 2011 we were 6-2 and lost 4 in a row and lost to two bad teams the eagles and redskins at home. And 2012-14. Sorry their has been more bad then good under Him and everyone ignores it because of the two runs we went on in 07 and 11. If we remember the good we must remember the bad . 04.06,09,10,12,13,14 have been god awful seasons loaded with terrible losses. And home losses.
Not really, Jeff. What the 2 Superbowls do is show that TC is capable of taking a team w/o many star players, and twice get them to play "over their heads" as a TEAM and win it all.
TC hasn't lost any of his leadership skills so outside of Belichick, he is one of the best proven HC's in the NFL. Getting a replacement that is as good or better is quite unlikely. If the front office determines that Coughlin;s shortcomings are to blame for this team's failures, he will be put to pasture.
A new head coach would probably ...probably ... want his own offensive coordinator. That means installing a new system again. This would be madness and screw up another season. If we had real training camps and sufficient work time it MIGHT be possible, but that's not the case.
That's a good enough rationale to keep Coughlin, among all the other valid reasons mentioned here.
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that he won two Super Bowls, so that entitles him to stay as long as he wants regardless of record.
Good post and agree 100%. I still want to see PF and his shitty schemes gone, though.
Not really, Jeff. What the 2 Superbowls do is show that TC is capable of taking a team w/o many star players, and twice get them to play "over their heads" as a TEAM and win it all.
TC hasn't lost any of his leadership skills so outside of Belichick, he is one of the best proven HC's in the NFL. Getting a replacement that is as good or better is quite unlikely. If the front office determines that Coughlin;s shortcomings are to blame for this team's failures, he will be put to pasture.
So we want consistency? 5 out of 6 years no playoffs. Yes, let's be consistent.
Everyone's tune will change after the next 2 games though.
A new head coach would probably ...probably ... want his own offensive coordinator. That means installing a new system again. This would be madness and screw up another season. If we had real training camps and sufficient work time it MIGHT be possible, but that's not the case.
That's a good enough rationale to keep Coughlin, among all the other valid reasons mentioned here.
Stability- The Old man stays, McAdoo will get more control of offense next year, last years change was about fixing the offense, this off season will be a New DC and new ST coach
Reese has to restock with the draft and manage the FA and cap well, remember we have 20mil in space
we can compete for the NFC East next season IF we have another strong off season
resigning Rolle, JPP, Thurmond and Hyno should be priorities
lasy years excellent draft was a good start
draft picks at sat 9 or 10 will yield a Good OLman at 1
and 2
Reese has to stay will making good , solid picks, rather than trying to prove hes the smartest kid in the room
we are in year 2 of a 3 year rebuild, you need TC at the top for this time period
stay tuned
Bet he wishes to God he never made that statement, hunh?
I don't understand how A. people can be fans and that miserable and B. actually been a fan in the 90s when they had much worse seasons. I can't go back further because I'm only 32 but I know it was much worse.
If Coughlin stays are people gonna just bitch and want the team to lose more than win just so that they can bitch more about them being right?
Everyone's tune will change after the next 2 games though.
Of course people's tunes will change again. People on here are bipolar. The same people calling for everyone's head are the same people that thought the team was great during weeks 3-5
The fucking greed and unrealistic expectations are ridiculous. "I want the playoffs every year and superbowls!" That just doesn't happen. THere have only been two seasons under Coughlin that the team was not in it up to the last game of the season. That happened to be the last two years. So he had 9 years of either making the playoffs, winning the superbowl or having his team mathematically in it going into the last week. In the NFL that's pretty damn good.
Still doesn't necessarily mean he's best guy for the job. As Coughlin himself would tell you, it's all about the future, about the very next game in the NFL.
Coughlin has no long term future with the team. And to keep him as coach merely to groom MacAdoo (who's only been here one semi-successful season) seems a bit silly if not outright deluded. (Perry Fewell won a Super Bowl in his very first season as a NYG coordinator.)
You keep Coughlin if you think you can compete for the Super Bowl next year. If not, you cut bait, go in a new direction and plan for the future.
At least that's how I'd do things.
The decision will absolutely not be based on wins and losses because using that criteria, NO coach would survive Coughlin's record the last few years, especially missing the playoffs as many times as he has. So whether they win or lose the last two games, it really has no bearing on Coughlin's future.
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Over the past 6 seasons?
The fucking greed and unrealistic expectations are ridiculous. "I want the playoffs every year and superbowls!" That just doesn't happen. THere have only been two seasons under Coughlin that the team was not in it up to the last game of the season. That happened to be the last two years. So he had 9 years of either making the playoffs, winning the superbowl or having his team mathematically in it going into the last week. In the NFL that's pretty damn good.
Please. Patriots have had double digit wins for 12 years in a row. Colts for 12 out of 14. Green Bay is in the post-season almost every year. It does happen.
And up to the last game of the season? How low to you want to set the bar.
Spare me
Hahaha!
thats why we suck now
the cupboard is very bare
2. Continuity and growth in year 2 with Eli/McAdoo/OBJ
3. Offensive line will be improved regardless who the coach is. Reese knows it's a priority and he isn't going anywhere.
4. A new aggressive defensive coordinator is what's needed more than a new HC.
Odds are another good offseason and hiring a new DC (and STC) will prove better results than starting from scratch. It's the smart thing to do; if it fails it sets us back a year, failing with a new regime could set us back five years in comparison. Obviously that's not a guarantee, but it may not be worth tearing it down to find out.
You can't possibly justify that statement and even if you could, you can't be certain the change people wanted was for the HC to change. I want Reece to get the axe because he is the idiot whose task was to fix the oline in the off season.
Now I'll ask YOU....Does the oline look fixed to you???
If your answer is yes, you're an idiot! If not, then tell me that you believe that you expect this team could have won a lot more games with a different HC with the same amount of KEY injuries we have had to endure all while learning a new offense with an oline that is clearly just as bad as last year. Because if you believe that then you're still NUTS!
Bottom line. My rational for keeping TC is because:
A) He is still one of the best coaches the NFL has ever had.
B) He has not lost the team
C) He has more energy and determination and dedication to his craft than most 40 year olds.
D) No coach could have done better with the amount of key injuries this team has had this year while learning a new offense with a completely third string O-Line.
See item D again!
See item D again!
I think Montreal Man summed it up very well. Plain and simple, TC stays because he has the leadership to coach and you don't want to risk bringing in a new guy who will change the OC and install a different system AGAIN.
It is sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario anyway. After this year, TC will have had 2 losing seasons since 2004, even though many of the years were missed playoff years. Contrast that with the Pats and Colts and Packers, who have made the playoffs many times, but still have less SB wins than we do in that frame.
My take is that fans would still bitch if we were the Colts by saying TC should win the big game more often since we are in the playoffs each year.
I thought last year and 2009 were the only years where we had a wide deviation from expected play - and last year, I widely overestimated the talent of the team. This year, I expected a below .500 record. Hard to get mad at Coughlin for not taking a shitty roster to the playoffs.