Add Diehl to the "Pugh to LG" advocates

Put Schwartz at RG.

LT: Beatty
LG: Pugh
C: Richburg
RG: Schwartz
RT: Not on the roster

and it sounded like a good plan.

Richburg to center, Pugh to LG, Schwartz at RG, and bring in a new RT.

So line would look like: Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, FA or Drafted RT

If we could tackle it in FA, I like our chances of taking another offensive weapon, DE, or MLB with our high pick in the draft.

franklin

With our 1st round pick. He will be a mauler

if Schwartz ever heals.

even the line coach alluded to it.

sign that guy and open up the pick to any need. That, in fact, is JR's M.O. Fill a big need in FA so he doesn't go into the draft and have to reach. Doesn't always work but seems to be how he approaches it.

But, I think Pugh at LG would be a matchup advantage for the Giants. He's probably not an advantage at RT.

Not everything works out the way you want but there should be at least one decent G or T available so they can go either way depending.

Anyone who pencils in Pugh at guard needs a good, swift kick in the nuts. The only time he ever played guard is a few snaps at his senior bowl. He's a TACKLE. There is no evidence he can play guard and play it well at this level!

if Pugh belonged at RG, and btw, if JPP belonged at LDE, don't you think he'd have them playing there?

He must suck, he never plays.

If he had panned out, at least to be a decent RG, you could put Schwartz at RT and Mosley at RG, you'd have next year's line already.

Of course, Mosley does suck apparently, and Schwartz is injured, neither can really be counted on for next year.

Pugh will kick inside, you'll see.

Pugh is destined to move inside and he'll probably be better off there.

Reese gets FAs that fill the need so he isn't locked into picking a certain position. I am guessing he'd bring in a few FA OLmen and try to draft someone early.

Pugh is guard make little sense since it is tough to find good tackles. If you find one, keep'em. Why switch him to guard and go hoping you find another tackle?

have guys switch positions do it sooner. I want our players to develop. I hated how we managed Kiwis career, moving him back and forth. Part me of wonders how he actualy would have done if he stayed at DE and never switched. How would he have developed? If we are going to make the move for the 2 OL players, let's do it this off season and let them develop there.

Would he even make a good LG??? What qualities would make him a good fit at LG? What qualities do the Giants prefer for LG in their system? Quick feet? Mobility to pull? Strong at the point of attack?

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if Pugh belonged at RG, and btw, if JPP belonged at LDE, don't you think he'd have them playing there?

Players and circumstances change. JPP isn't the same player he was before his back surgery but he's still very good against the run so switching him to LDE is possible. After all Strahan did.

I'm more a Pugh is a T guy but that doesn't mean he might not be a very good G as well if a good FA T is all they can sign.

to hope and pray they have fixed this line and we can start competing again. We supposedly have a good amount of cap space so I'd hope they steal a FA from someone to fill RT and draft BPA in the first round and then a guard or two in the second and third if the value is there. Giving us some much needed depth.

Would kick David Diehl in the nuggets? I'd pay to see that. Pugh absolutely belongs inside, has since he got here. The issues is that protecting Eli from the edge and blindside hits is paramount and he's the best we've had at that spot. Success offensively is secured in the A gaps and we've been pretty dreadful there at times this year, but those aren't the hits that will end Eli's day so we protect from the outside in. All I want for Christmas is a road grading RT.

the draft pundits were commenting on Pugh and that guard, or even center, could be the position he ends up at.

life. Richburg has to be the C. Pugh's versatility was highlighted when he was drafted so it makes sense.

RT Joe Barksdale (Rams)
6'5" 326. turns 27 soon. strong measurables. started 13 of 16 last year and all 14 this year. Giants were interested in him but the Raiders got him.

it's very unlikely they'll draft one in the first round, and very unlikely they'll draft two interior OLs in the 2-3 rounds. Pugh and Schwartz would be the OGs, Richburg the C.

More likely you'll see something like FA RT, draft an OG to put in the pipeline, procure an upgrade at swing tackle, at most.

In comment 12039075 Bill in UT said:

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if Pugh belonged at RG, and btw, if JPP belonged at LDE, don't you think he'd have them playing there?

Remember that time Sean Locklear was a revelation at RT, and TC benched him in favor of Diehl coming back from injury, and it was awful?

TC did this with O'Hara as well. OL was working, O'hara came back from injury and was put right back in, and he played like he was on roller skates.

In comment 12039118 JonC said:

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it's very unlikely they'll draft one in the first round, and very unlikely they'll draft two interior OLs in the 2-3 rounds. Pugh and Schwartz would be the OGs, Richburg the C. More likely you'll see something like FA RT, draft an OG to put in the pipeline, procure an upgrade at swing tackle, at most.

Heh..FART

Those guys don't play unless there is injury. 5 guys = 5 times the opportunity for injury, however.

Depth at any other position get more playing time than OL depth, so it's only important if someone goes down.

In comment 12039132 Joey in VA said:

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In comment 12039118 JonC said: Quote: it's very unlikely they'll draft one in the first round, and very unlikely they'll draft two interior OLs in the 2-3 rounds. Pugh and Schwartz would be the OGs, Richburg the C. More likely you'll see something like FA RT, draft an OG to put in the pipeline, procure an upgrade at swing tackle, at most. Heh..FART

Yeah, heheh

Is a tactical player. He isn't a guard. He isn't a road grader
He is a legit starting right tackle who had a lousy year

Pugh ends up being a pretty good draft pick at his slot.

Flexibility.

If guard is in fact his best position, he gives you the flexibility to play tackle too in case of injury.

It's most likely easier to slide a guard into the lineup, versus a tackle, and put Pugh outside.

We have the potential to for a pretty good OL next year.

My only reservations about Pugh inside are, is he too much a finesse player?

In comment 12039075 Bill in UT said:

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if Pugh belonged at RG, and btw, if JPP belonged at LDE, don't you think he'd have them playing there?

Bill in UT....I hate to burst your bubble, but there's a guy in New England named Bill Belichick that is the best coach in the NFL. Love TC and appreciate what he has done for the NYG, but he's no Belichick....not even close.

into Porky Pugh did not help his year 2; and that added weight is obviously NOT all muscle.

In comment 12039035 Ben in Tampa said:

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LT: Beatty LG: Pugh C: Richburg RG: Schwartz RT: Not on the roster

Would you be interested in Bryan Bulaga from the Packers or taking Doug Free off the Cowboys?

Both of those right tackles who are UFA. Of the two for me, Bulaga would be the target as he is only 25 years old.

He could be what McKenzie was when the Giants signed him. That would be quality money spent if you want to adjust the o-line the way you have it configured.

In comment 12039100 AnishPatel said:

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have guys switch positions do it sooner. I want our players to develop. I hated how we managed Kiwis career, moving him back and forth. Part me of wonders how he actualy would have done if he stayed at DE and never switched. How would he have developed? If we are going to make the move for the 2 OL players, let's do it this off season and let them develop there.

AnishPatel....I've thought the same thing with Kiwi. For me there's no doubt we messed him up.

If you put 15-20 pounds on Kiwi there's no telling what kind of impact it would've made on his play at the DE position.

into Porky Pugh did not help his year 2; and that added weight is obviously NOT all muscle.

as a technician. I have some doubts about him having the strength to last 4 quarters against interior DLs. Perhaps he can make the transition but we will have to see...

The Walton/Jerry combo is a disaster.

In comment 12039114 Victor in CT said:

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life. Richburg has to be the C. Pugh's versatility was highlighted when he was drafted so it makes sense.

FALSE. His best year was when he played LG for KC. Try again.

we're ready to move him to a new position?

Too soon in my opinion. Especially when you take in consideration the inconsistent mess that played next to him all year, John Jerry. We had the same issue with Beatty last year. Stick a quality player beside Pugh (Schwartz) and give him another year to develop.

to that state of personnel now, and the line coaches' recent comments.

In comment 12039197 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 12039114 Victor in CT said: Quote: life. Richburg has to be the C. Pugh's versatility was highlighted when he was drafted so it makes sense. FALSE. His best year was when he played LG for KC. Try again.

Really? Try this:
"He played in all 16 games for the Chiefs, starting 7 of them, moving into the starting lineup at right guard in the latter part of the season.[41][42][43][44] He received a plus-18.6 Pro Football Focus grade in 549 snaps, the highest grade of any Chiefs offensive lineman, and was rated as the top free-agent guard by the site.[43] Pro Football Focus wrote:

"Schwartz has played as well as any [guard] not named Evan Mathis on a per-snap basis the last two years.... has an overall grade of +24.1 in 792 snaps (full season is typically 1000+ snaps) since he missed the whole 2011 season with a hip injury. While he had a superb year in pass protection with a pass blocking efficiency of 97.3 (ranked 11th), Schwartz’ calling card is his run blocking. He has elite power at the point of attack, but he also rarely gets beat cleanly. He had the sixth-lowest percentage of run snaps that took a downgrade among all guards."[45]" - Wikipedia

And this: "There are options. Schwartz has played right guard and right tackle. He was slated to start for the Giants at left guard before a toe injury in the preseason landed him on injured reserve, with a designation to return." - NJ.com

We can see why its "robbieballs" and not "robbiebrains"
How the Giants should shuffle their offensive line with Geoff Schwartz returning - ( New Window )

With Pugh going to the other position and you will have a pretty good offensive line (assuming no run on injuries). Probably stronger if Pugh goes to guard. It would be great for this issue to be off the table.

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to that state of personnel now, and the line coaches' recent comments.

Given the lack of development with our younger lineman over the years, I question his assessment & judgement.

he's still the credentialed professional.

In comment 12039270 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 12039197 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 12039114 Victor in CT said: Quote: life. Richburg has to be the C. Pugh's versatility was highlighted when he was drafted so it makes sense. FALSE. His best year was when he played LG for KC. Try again. Really? Try this: "He played in all 16 games for the Chiefs, starting 7 of them, moving into the starting lineup at right guard in the latter part of the season.[41][42][43][44] He received a plus-18.6 Pro Football Focus grade in 549 snaps, the highest grade of any Chiefs offensive lineman, and was rated as the top free-agent guard by the site.[43] Pro Football Focus wrote: "Schwartz has played as well as any [guard] not named Evan Mathis on a per-snap basis the last two years.... has an overall grade of +24.1 in 792 snaps (full season is typically 1000+ snaps) since he missed the whole 2011 season with a hip injury. While he had a superb year in pass protection with a pass blocking efficiency of 97.3 (ranked 11th), Schwartz’ calling card is his run blocking. He has elite power at the point of attack, but he also rarely gets beat cleanly. He had the sixth-lowest percentage of run snaps that took a downgrade among all guards."[45]" - Wikipedia And this: "There are options. Schwartz has played right guard and right tackle. He was slated to start for the Giants at left guard before a toe injury in the preseason landed him on injured reserve, with a designation to return." - NJ.com We can see why its "robbieballs" and not "robbiebrains" How the Giants should shuffle their offensive line with Geoff Schwartz returning - ( New Window )

My bad. I'm confused on what he was playing with us. I'm an idiot.

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he's still the credentialed professional.

Did I say he wasn't?

In comment 12039291 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 12039270 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 12039197 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 12039114 Victor in CT said: Quote: life. Richburg has to be the C. Pugh's versatility was highlighted when he was drafted so it makes sense. FALSE. His best year was when he played LG for KC. Try again. Really? Try this: "He played in all 16 games for the Chiefs, starting 7 of them, moving into the starting lineup at right guard in the latter part of the season.[41][42][43][44] He received a plus-18.6 Pro Football Focus grade in 549 snaps, the highest grade of any Chiefs offensive lineman, and was rated as the top free-agent guard by the site.[43] Pro Football Focus wrote: "Schwartz has played as well as any [guard] not named Evan Mathis on a per-snap basis the last two years.... has an overall grade of +24.1 in 792 snaps (full season is typically 1000+ snaps) since he missed the whole 2011 season with a hip injury. While he had a superb year in pass protection with a pass blocking efficiency of 97.3 (ranked 11th), Schwartz’ calling card is his run blocking. He has elite power at the point of attack, but he also rarely gets beat cleanly. He had the sixth-lowest percentage of run snaps that took a downgrade among all guards."[45]" - Wikipedia And this: "There are options. Schwartz has played right guard and right tackle. He was slated to start for the Giants at left guard before a toe injury in the preseason landed him on injured reserve, with a designation to return." - NJ.com We can see why its "robbieballs" and not "robbiebrains" How the Giants should shuffle their offensive line with Geoff Schwartz returning - ( New Window ) My bad. I'm confused on what he was playing with us. I'm an idiot.

No worries man. Sorry about the wisecrack

because they refuse to play him at center.

In comment 12039094 arcarsenal said:

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Pugh is destined to move inside and he'll probably be better off there.

Based on what?

Now we have to salvage him, not continue to suffer without a first tier right tackle in the lineup. I think that is what Diehl is diplomatically is trying to tell us all.

He is athletic and has good feet which makes him an asset on the blind side in pass protection AND as a pulling guard on running plays. He just isn't big or wide enough to be the edge anchor on that running side.

He can clearly play in the NFL.

It LOOKS like his body is best suited for Guard play. He's probably just out of position.

He's gonna be a good player for us for years to come.

And not able cut cut off the outside rush, time after time, that certainly looks like a mistake to me.

Mistake in the sense that he was drafted to play tackle and inserted into that position. I DO agree with Hammer that he's simply playing out of position.

Remember how everybody was talking about his short arms ? I used to think that was hog-wash, but maybe that's a lot more important than some of us think so.

Two mailers on the running right side and left side pulling guard - that 's what we once had, and desperately need again.

Dmn iPad !

this year that would make me comfortable with him moving to guard. Hopefully another offseason bulking and getting stronger helps.

Pugh was doing fine until he hurt his elboy.

Remember when DD said about moving back to Guard?
"It's like riding a bicycle"

Then got his ass whooped play after play, after play...

Last year he was our best OL. That may not have been saying much, but he was grading out as a decent RT, about middle of the pack league-wide for RTs. This year, supposedly, he has been playing hurt. I think he is a long way from a draft mistake.

I have no clue if he can play LG because he played OT exclusively in college. Most, if not all, of that was at LT, which also may have something to do with some of his struggles this year. But, given how well he played as a rookie, I would like to think it is more injuries than anything else.

The bottom line is our OL play overall for 2 seasons has been terrible. Because of that, I wouldn't make any rash decisions and move him sight unseen to a foreign position. I would draft and sign the very best OL they feel are out there, regardless of position. I would then position guys. The only 2 guys who I think should be penciled in (nothing written in stone) are Beatty at LT and Richburg at OC.

At that point, no matter where they put him.

Thing is - how many tackles have been drafted and moved to guard ?
plenty, and most have done well. The other way, not many.

I see a lot of Richie Seubet in Pugh - smart, technical and quick, all good things.

In the other thread, didn't you just say Pugh was a draft mistake? Now, you are saying he could exceed inside and compare him to one of our best OL of the last decade. Which is it?

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At that point, no matter where they put him. Thing is - how many tackles have been drafted and moved to guard ? plenty, and most have done well.

Not true.

"Plenty and most have done well"


this is just like the argument about the draft where someone points to handful of stars who were drafted in Round 5, for example, similarly to a 5th round project and say, "see?" For every one of those there are tons of late picks that don't pan out. for every diamond in the rough UDFA there are tons more who never even see the field.

Yes, there are plenty of OT who have moved to OG and thrived. There are also plenty who haven't. I, for one, am not ready to say one way or another that Pugh can play LG. What I will say is that he may be more comfortable on the left side of the line, given he was almost exclusively a LT in college.

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Anyone who pencils in Pugh at guard needs a good, swift kick in the nuts. The only time he ever played guard is a few snaps at his senior bowl. He's a TACKLE. There is no evidence he can play guard and play it well at this level!

So you going to kid big Dave in the balls yourself? Plenty of guys who have never played a position in college play another in the NFL. The best of the best sometimes play tackle because they can make it in college at T but not the NFL

Ok for a rookie and honestly before his injury sucked

Teams do watch tape on guys. After a year tendencies show. Sometimes guys get better but there is no fucking way anyone here or even on the Giants can be sure Pugh can be a Long term starter at T. so many here
Wanted to annoint Pugh as some stud after one good rookie year.

Funnier is it probably the same people still insisting Beatty is a good T

First, I agree with you that there is no guarantee Pugh is a good OT hampered only by injuries. That is why I said just get the best OL they can, regardless of position. Second, Beatty, outside of one injury plagued year, has been a good LT. That doesn't mean great. but, good; above average to sometimes very good. I don't know how the PFF ratings work for OL, but he has routinely graded out as a top OT this year, for example.

and physical ability to move from guard to tackle, I don't see how it's improbable that Pugh could do it.

It's true that some guys can't make the conversion, but it's not as if Guard is some incredibly nuanced position that's more difficult than tackle. It's generally regarded as an easier position to play and an easier position to find talent for.

It's easier to find talent for because of there are more guys with the proper skillsets (great size, strenght, solid athleticism) to play the position of guard while tackle requires the same but with more athleticism which is hard to find in guys this size.

The fact that tackle is harder to find indicates to me that any Pugh replacement at RT better be a huge improvement over him to be worth the additional cost over finding a good LG cheaper.

Knowing the demands of right tackle, after having seen what McKinzie did so well here, they expected Pugh to do the same, I guess.

Or maybe they didn't trust Beattty, and wanted insurance.

I'm very sure Diehl knows what he's talking about and has seen enough of Pugh to know he can help us better at LG

As far as Seubert, he was a gutsy overachiever, which we all respect. Pugh is more physically talented, I fully expect him to do as well or better at guard.

BC and Syracuse on the day of the draft and that will be an improvement.

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RT Joe Barksdale (Rams) 6'5" 326. turns 27 soon. strong measurables. started 13 of 16 last year and all 14 this year. Giants were interested in him but the Raiders got him.

Yup, they Jernigan at #19 in the 3rd round and Barksdale went 28th to the Raiders.

It's amazing how many solid OL the Giants passed on. Who knows how good they could have been had they concentrated on the OL as much as the DL.

I'm sure the Rams will fight to keep him.

In comment 12039877 Manny in CA said:

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Knowing the demands of right tackle, after having seen what McKinzie did so well here, they expected Pugh to do the same, I guess.

I sure hope not. That would indicate some poor scouting. Kareem McKenzie had prototype size and strength for the RTackle position. He was a true mauler.

I'm a Pugh fan, but he is undersized. He's also more of a technician than a brute force player. I don't think they're the same type of player at all.

Most NFL G's are ex-college T's who had to kick inside due to lack of athleticism or size.

In college they are still the best blockers on the team so they play T. Diehl was a good example. Now, why did we draft one of those in the 1st round? Couldnt tell you

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In comment 12039115 area junc said: Quote: RT Joe Barksdale (Rams) 6'5" 326. turns 27 soon. strong measurables. started 13 of 16 last year and all 14 this year. Giants were interested in him but the Raiders got him. Yup, they Jernigan at #19 in the 3rd round and Barksdale went 28th to the Raiders. It's amazing how many solid OL the Giants passed on. Who knows how good they could have been had they concentrated on the OL as much as the DL.

This one is particularly painful

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In college they are still the best blockers on the team so they play T. Diehl was a good example. Now, why did we draft one of those in the 1st round? Couldnt tell you

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In comment 12039419 Manny in CA said:

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Now we have to salvage him, not continue to suffer without a first tier right tackle in the lineup. I think that is what Diehl is diplomatically is trying to tell us all. He is athletic and has good feet which makes him an asset on the blind side in pass protection AND as a pulling guard on running plays. He just isn't big or wide enough to be the edge anchor on that running side.

He wasn't a mistake as much as a reach. There was a run on OL and Reese had fucked up for years. People always want to say it's BPA. You can bet their were players most likely rated higher. Maybe not by a lot but higher that they passed on as the OL was a mess. Sad part is even w a 1st, 2nd, and multiple FA signed the OL still looks like shit. People are all giddy because of the last two totally meaningless wins that maybe the OL is only one guy away. Maybe 2.

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First, I agree with you that there is no guarantee Pugh is a good OT hampered only by injuries. That is why I said just get the best OL they can, regardless of position. Second, Beatty, outside of one injury plagued year, has been a good LT. That doesn't mean great. but, good; above average to sometimes very good. I don't know how the PFF ratings work for OL, but he has routinely graded out as a top OT this year, for example.

I just disagree on Beatty he wasn't hurt last year. Amd that was his worst year by far. And IMO just has never been a good run blocker. What sticks out to be was the year he got hurt and DD was moved the LT the run game improved a lot after that move. I don't care how highly rated he is on PFF. To me he was given a huge guarantee of 18 mil. He's the highest paid OL and against top tier DEs he gets abused and needs help. I think he should stay another year as his cap hit and even of they do go T in Rd 1 I think that player should play RT for a year. Beatry will be 31 after the 2015 season. Time to start groom on a replacement anyway.

Before moving Pugh to Guard, maybe get a tackle. Pugh has done a pretty good job overall at RT but unfortunately he is having a rough second season in the NFL and you can look at the guy right next to him to figure out why. Its cheaper to get a Guard than a Tackle so shouldn't we be looking for a Guard in FA? Richburg to Center needs to happen for 2015.

I hope the Giants look at it seriously.

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In comment 12039877 Manny in CA said: Quote: Knowing the demands of right tackle, after having seen what McKinzie did so well here, they expected Pugh to do the same, I guess. I sure hope not. That would indicate some poor scouting. Kareem McKenzie had prototype size and strength for the RTackle position. He was a true mauler. I'm a Pugh fan, but he is undersized. He's also more of a technician than a brute force player. I don't think they're the same type of player at all.

This is my concern with Pugh. The last thing this line needs is another finesse player.

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Those guys don't play unless there is injury. 5 guys = 5 times the opportunity for injury, however. Depth at any other position get more playing time than OL depth, so it's only important if someone goes down.

That's a pretty terrible analogy IMO. O-lineman are WAY more susceptible to injury than QBs. See Giants, New York

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In comment 12039978 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 12039877 Manny in CA said: Quote: Knowing the demands of right tackle, after having seen what McKinzie did so well here, they expected Pugh to do the same, I guess. I sure hope not. That would indicate some poor scouting. Kareem McKenzie had prototype size and strength for the RTackle position. He was a true mauler. I'm a Pugh fan, but he is undersized. He's also more of a technician than a brute force player. I don't think they're the same type of player at all. This is my concern with Pugh. The last thing this line needs is another finesse player.

Eh, you can win with those guys. Diehl and O'Hara were those guys. The only road graders on the great 05-09 Giants offensive lines were Snee and McKenzie. Seubert's a fan favorite, but he wasn't some dominant physical force.

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it's very unlikely they'll draft one in the first round, and very unlikely they'll draft two interior OLs in the 2-3 rounds. Pugh and Schwartz would be the OGs, Richburg the C. More likely you'll see something like FA RT, draft an OG to put in the pipeline, procure an upgrade at swing tackle, at most.

I thought we had a Swing Tackle in the making in Eric Herman? The kid was relegated to the unemployment line after serving his 4 game suspension, finally re-signed to PS, promoted to the active roster a week ago, hasn't seen the field on game day and now we sign a fodder OL guy off the street! I must be naive, I thought Herman was a beast in college and per all reports. Either he is a bust or Coughlin doesn't like him. Nothing new!

In comment 12039419 Manny in CA said:

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Now we have to salvage him, not continue to suffer without a first tier right tackle in the lineup. I think that is what Diehl is diplomatically is trying to tell us all. He is athletic and has good feet which makes him an asset on the blind side in pass protection AND as a pulling guard on running plays. He just isn't big or wide enough to be the edge anchor on that running side.

Pugh was an OG at Syracuse! Moving him to tackle is what screws the team up all the time, failure to put personnel in their best position for success! There is a huge void at OT that is currently being handled in a decent fashion by a young man who is not as well equipped to play that position.
I clamored for Seantrelle Henderson last year, especially after he dropped from a 3rd rounder to an UDFA! He is starting at OT for Buffalo after being signed and waived by Minnesota! OT in the 1st or 2nd round seems like a no-brainer ( Are you listening Jerry? )! JMHO.

In comment 12041608 dguy901 said:

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In comment 12039419 Manny in CA said: Quote: Now we have to salvage him, not continue to suffer without a first tier right tackle in the lineup. I think that is what Diehl is diplomatically is trying to tell us all. He is athletic and has good feet which makes him an asset on the blind side in pass protection AND as a pulling guard on running plays. He just isn't big or wide enough to be the edge anchor on that running side. Pugh was an OG at Syracuse! Moving him to tackle is what screws the team up all the time, failure to put personnel in their best position for success! There is a huge void at OT that is currently being handled in a decent fashion by a young man who is not as well equipped to play that position. I clamored for Seantrelle Henderson last year, especially after he dropped from a 3rd rounder to an UDFA! He is starting at OT for Buffalo after being signed and waived by Minnesota! OT in the 1st or 2nd round seems like a no-brainer ( Are you listening Jerry? )! JMHO.

My bad, he did play OT at SU.

Larendale

You have your right to your opinion. In 2011 DD was awful as a G. He was even worse as a tackle. He was the weakest link of the entire oline. Beatty on the other hand played well, our best ol.

I think its obvious to me, that your football knowledge is limited.

Upgrade the OL via do act & free agency hopefully

In comment 12041608 dguy901 said:

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In comment 12039419 Manny in CA said: Quote: Now we have to salvage him, not continue to suffer without a first tier right tackle in the lineup. I think that is what Diehl is diplomatically is trying to tell us all. He is athletic and has good feet which makes him an asset on the blind side in pass protection AND as a pulling guard on running plays. He just isn't big or wide enough to be the edge anchor on that running side. Pugh was an OG at Syracuse! Moving him to tackle is what screws the team up all the time, failure to put personnel in their best position for success! There is a huge void at OT that is currently being handled in a decent fashion by a young man who is not as well equipped to play that position. I clamored for Seantrelle Henderson last year, especially after he dropped from a 3rd rounder to an UDFA! He is starting at OT for Buffalo after being signed and waived by Minnesota! OT in the 1st or 2nd round seems like a no-brainer ( Are you listening Jerry? )! JMHO.

he played LT at Syracuse... wow you think either you would know that OR you could just look it up..