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3 Significant Free Agent Signings

pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:14 am
and a couple less significant that I believe the Giants should make, and would provide Reese the draft flexibility he likes and not require him to force a need pick.

1. Bryan Bulaga (RT GB), he's just 26 it would be similar to the McKenzie signing in that he should anchor the right side of the line for 5 - 6 years and frees up Pugh to move inside (as discussed in the other thread)

2. JPP (DE NYG), he's also just 26, and this might be controversial since he hasn't seemed to duplicate his lofty 2011 season, but he is lethal vs the run and we're seeing now how his pass rush is more effective with he emergence of Kennard and the increase in PT for Moore. PFF (for those who care) rank him by far as the #1 4-3 DE vs. the run and #2 overall 4-3 DE in the NFL after Cameron Wake. His loss would be hard to replace and would require a significant free agent signing anyway or premium draft pick.

3. KJ Wright (LB SEA), not flashy, but good at everything, decent size, decent against the pass, and decent rushing the passer, the run is probably his weakest facet and it's not bad. He'd be an immediate upgrade.

Lesser signings:
Devin McCourty, S NE, he's a converted CB, and more of a centerfielder than an in the box safety, but he's generally good in coverage and doesn't get beat deep

Eddie Royal - a good stretch the field guy to allow ODB and Cruz to work underneath and/or not always draw the safety help

no clue what these guys will actually cost, we'll find out soon, but given the cap space the Giants have and contracts still to shed I think this can be doable.

Other considerations would be a TE.
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Anyone think  
RH : 12/17/2014 11:17 am : link
Micheal Crabtree would be a nice addition to our team? He could make Randle tradable or a backup. Plus, he would be good to have while Cruz heals. I have a feeling he starts the year on PUP list. Crabtree wasn't the player he was drafted to be, but he could certainly help move the chains & keep defenses guessing where we're going with the ball. I think he could be had for less than what we gave Victor Cruz, maybe $5M per for 3 or 4 years?
Sign Suh  
Bleedin Blue : 12/17/2014 11:18 am : link
a D-Line with Suh, Hankins, Moore, Ayers, Wynn, JPP(if he doesn't want crazy money), Bromley and Jenkins or Patterson (I lean towards Jenkins) would be a really good D-Line, and would help keep the LB's clean to make plays.
RE: Sign Iupati, Suh, JPP, Rolle, and McCourty  
Toth029 : 12/17/2014 11:26 am : link
In comment 12039277 CMicks3110 said:
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and we're set

What's a salary cap
Can't sign JPP and Suh  
jeff57 : 12/17/2014 11:26 am : link
One or the other.
What have the Giants done in the last decade  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 11:33 am : link
that makes you think they're going to sink tons of money into a defensive tackle?


Bulaga is constantly hurt. Constantly.
Eli  
Dragon : 12/17/2014 11:41 am : link
Plays a big part on what they can do if we don't know what he will cost us the year after, then more than likely only one big FA contract JPP or someone else. I don't see them having the money for Sue under any circumstances. We will be able to sign FA's but not the top guys they will all want big money.
I usally ignore these BBI GM threads but this is a good post.  
NYGmen58 : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
I agree with all your points (especially Bulaga if he's available and JPP).

I like Royal as well, as the Giants can use an upgrade to the slot position, regardless if Cruz lines up there a lot.
See if the Vikings  
JINTin Adirondacks : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
would take Jennings and and a 5th or 6th for Peterson.
.  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
Julius Thomas would be a bad signing.

I think if the Giants are at all skeptical about Cruz being Cruz again, they will make a serious run at Cobb.
We can have upwards of 40 milliion in cap space  
CMicks3110 : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
if we handle things right, we can make a huge splash in FA...Why the hell not
i dont think its a given pugh can play guard  
CGiants07 : 12/17/2014 11:50 am : link
he was left tackle all during college
The Giants will be nearly $20 million under the cap for 2015  
sjnyfan : 12/17/2014 12:05 pm : link
and that's before making cuts. You can bet your bottom dollar that Kiwi and Beason aren't getting the $7+ million due next season. Cutting them saves nearly $9 million in cap space. If you bring in Suh, who I think should be a top priority, you're cutting Cullen Jenkins which would save $2+ million. I'm also certain Weatherford won't get $3+ million (although I hope he stays), I think David Wilson is still on the books and I'm sure Eli gets an extension which would save a ton of cap space.

Keeping JPP, which I don't think will cost as much as some think, and signing Suh should be priorities 1 and 1a for free agency. Ayers-Hankins-Suh-JPP would be as good of a line in the league and there would still be money for a few other priority signings.

As for OL, I like Iupati but wouldn't break the bank for him. He's an excellent run blocker but not so much in the passing game. I'd prefer Orlando Franklin who wouldn't cost as much and not only plays LG but has experience at RT if a change was made or we needed emergency snaps. I'd like a swing tackle or super sub signed as well. Michael Roos has had a solid career but will be 33 next year and isn't in the Titans future. He would be far better than Charles Brown and still has tread on the tires. Another option is Joe Barksdale from St. Louis. He's only 26 and though he's been at RT for the Rams he has some experience at LT and LG. Sign any two and grab one OL in the draft and we're set.

Lastly I'd look to sign an RB for cheap. Can't trust Jennings health or Williams vision. Mark Ingram, CJ Spiller and Justin Forsett all have question marks but should come cheap with reward outweighing risk.
RE: No to Royal  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2014 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12039176 dep026 said:
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he is a slot guy, and Cruz already occupies that spot. Now umless Cruz cant come back, thats a different story.


Royal is a great PR as well, so I would definitely be a good overall depth addition for the right price.
I have no interest in Suh  
Milton : 12/17/2014 12:30 pm : link
Besides the fact that he would cost way too much money, he's a jerk and I don't want to be rooting for a jerk. There are enough talented players in the NFL that you don't need to back up the Brinks truck to some selfish prick in order to win.
RE: i dont think its a given pugh can play guard  
Matt M. : 12/17/2014 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12039472 CGiants07 said:
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he was left tackle all during college


This is the reason I have not gotten behind the calls to move Pugh this year or next year. They can try him inside in camp, but I wouldn't pencil him in or make an overhaul based on this move given that he played OT exclusively in college. Plus, I think you are correct in that he only played LT.
RE: The Giants will be nearly $20 million under the cap for 2015  
Reb8thVA : 12/17/2014 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12039514 sjnyfan said:
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and that's before making cuts. You can bet your bottom dollar that Kiwi and Beason aren't getting the $7+ million due next season. Cutting them saves nearly $9 million in cap space. If you bring in Suh, who I think should be a top priority, you're cutting Cullen Jenkins which would save $2+ million. I'm also certain Weatherford won't get $3+ million (although I hope he stays), I think David Wilson is still on the books and I'm sure Eli gets an extension which would save a ton of cap space.

Keeping JPP, which I don't think will cost as much as some think, and signing Suh should be priorities 1 and 1a for free agency. Ayers-Hankins-Suh-JPP would be as good of a line in the league and there would still be money for a few other priority signings.

As for OL, I like Iupati but wouldn't break the bank for him. He's an excellent run blocker but not so much in the passing game. I'd prefer Orlando Franklin who wouldn't cost as much and not only plays LG but has experience at RT if a change was made or we needed emergency snaps. I'd like a swing tackle or super sub signed as well. Michael Roos has had a solid career but will be 33 next year and isn't in the Titans future. He would be far better than Charles Brown and still has tread on the tires. Another option is Joe Barksdale from St. Louis. He's only 26 and though he's been at RT for the Rams he has some experience at LT and LG. Sign any two and grab one OL in the draft and we're set.

Lastly I'd look to sign an RB for cheap. Can't trust Jennings health or Williams vision. Mark Ingram, CJ Spiller and Justin Forsett all have question marks but should come cheap with reward outweighing risk.


I agree. My top three targets are Suh, Frankin, and KJ Wright
We've seen the Giants move guys around on the OL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 12:37 pm : link
Diehl played all over the line. I don't think he ever played tackle in college but they used him there here. Kevin Boothe swapped from guard to center and back. I don't think it's far fetched to see the Giants move an undersized tackle to a guard position. It's not like it's unheard of for college tackles to come to the pros and play guard. It's been done.

Brandon Mosley played LT in a big time college program and I don't think he's ever played anything BUT guard as a pro.
I beleive Rolando McClain  
JFIB : 12/17/2014 12:50 pm : link
Only signed a one year deal in Dallas. They are going to have a hard tome keeping him with both Dez and Murray being FA's this year. he would look good manning the middle for us.
There are quite a few college tackles plaiyng at guard  
sjnyfan : 12/17/2014 12:53 pm : link
Zack Martin exclusively played LT but as we know is playing exceptionally well at RG for the Cowboys.

Joel Bitonio, a rookie that has quietly put together an exceptional season, is one of just five guards this year to have over 400 pass block snaps and has yet to allow a single sack. I'd argue that he's having a better season than Martin.

Mike Iupati and Orlando Franklin will be top free agent guards this offseason that played tackle in college.

I thought during the '13 draft that Pugh would make a decent tackle but potentially a pro bowl guard. I still think he can.
sjnyfan  
Matt M. : 12/17/2014 12:58 pm : link
Just because you can point to a few players who were OT in college but have played well at OG, it doesn't mean that Pugh will be a good OG. I think their OL has been bad enough that a simple move of him is solving anything. As such, I think they should approach OL as BPA between FA and the draft and bring in about 3 players in this category, regardless of position and then figure out where veryone will line up.

I think Beatty should be penciled in at LT and Richburg at OC and we should look to fill the other 3 positions with the very best we can get. Even at that, neither of those guys should be written in stone either. It may turn out that a healthy Schwartz is our RG or RT. It may turn out he is the first guy off the bench. It may turn out we get 2 outstanding OGs and Pugh stays at RT benefitting from improved play next to him. I wouldn't discount that he was playing next to one of the worst OL in the league this year, in my opinion.
WR  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 12/17/2014 12:58 pm : link
I don't see the Giants spending FA dollars on a WR. This is another draft that's deep at receiver, and there are plenty of other holes they should fill with experience, particularly along both lines.

My top 3 FA targets would be:
1) JPP: I want to keep him at a reasonable dollar amount.
2) Orlando Franklin / James Carpenter / Ryan Harris: This is hugely dependent on how the staff sees Pugh. But Franklin can play RT or slide inside if Pugh stays there. But he'll want to be paid like a RT either way. We could also target Harris if Pugh moves inside. If the Giants are all-in on Pugh at tackle, I'd look at Carpenter for LG.
3) KJ Wright: It's time to address the LB spot on this team, and I don't think Wright is breaking the bank.

I'd also grab second-tier FAs, like Roos (who was mentioned earlier) and Roy Helu.
JPP is a beast and think there's no one  
#10* : 12/17/2014 1:01 pm : link
that will really replace him unless we're looking at Suh and draft a 3rd or 2nd round pass rusher. But I think we need to spend our 1st two picks on the offensive line. If we can avg 32 points a game I think we lock down the playoffs next year. And we need a talented but more importantly healthy o-line to see that through.
How or why is JPP not replaceable?  
Matt M. : 12/17/2014 1:13 pm : link
He is having a good, not great, season in a contract year and only had one superb season prior. He has had a back injury that isn't likely to get better. Most importantly to me, this defense has been in the bottom 1/3 of the league every single season he has been here. That isn't his fault, but he is supposed to be currently be the anchor of this D. If they are that bad, everybody is replaceable.
Withdrawing the 1st two o-line draft pick statement  
#10* : 12/17/2014 1:26 pm : link
I forgot how bad our RB situation has looked.
Cobb  
SoZKillA : 12/17/2014 1:28 pm : link
Is not leaving Green Bay
RE: Cobb  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 1:33 pm : link
In comment 12039684 SoZKillA said:
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Is not leaving Green Bay


Based on... what?
JPP  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:33 pm : link
is replaceable, but my point with him is to replace him you would need either a) a high $$ free agent or b) a premium draft pick.

Why not just re-sign him?

Plus, I am not an expert, I'll say that upfront, but I feel like he's misused (like others feel this way too), so perhaps a different DC would put him back in positions to excel, like 2011.

I don't believe it's all injury or lack of desire on his part that explains the performance difference. Lastly he's legit stifling against the run, no one is better as a 4-3 DE. You can find pure pass rushers - as evidenced by Ayers but the way the NFL is today, when you play teams who have a QB that takes a 3-step drop a lot of that pass rush is neutralized, you need two-way DE's, otherwise the Osi's of the world are situational players, not every down guys. JPP is an every down player.
Eddie Royal?  
Greg from LI : 12/17/2014 1:36 pm : link
Christ, haven't we learned our lesson about signing or drafting Hokies?
I said it was a lesser  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:37 pm : link
signing.

RE: JPP  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12039695 pjcas18 said:
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is replaceable, but my point with him is to replace him you would need either a) a high $$ free agent or b) a premium draft pick.

Why not just re-sign him?

Plus, I am not an expert, I'll say that upfront, but I feel like he's misused (like others feel this way too), so perhaps a different DC would put him back in positions to excel, like 2011.

I don't believe it's all injury or lack of desire on his part that explains the performance difference. Lastly he's legit stifling against the run, no one is better as a 4-3 DE. You can find pure pass rushers - as evidenced by Ayers but the way the NFL is today, when you play teams who have a QB that takes a 3-step drop a lot of that pass rush is neutralized, you need two-way DE's, otherwise the Osi's of the world are situational players, not every down guys. JPP is an every down player.


It's the same DC, though.

It's not like one guy used him one way in 2011 and then Fewell came in and stopped using him that way and now he sucks.

I don't know why he's been less dominant. I think last year was injury related to a degree.. this year he has been pretty good at times just not consistent. 2012 he seemed out of shape to me.

I don't know. I'd like to retain him but it depends on the price and it also depends who the DC is going to be next year and what type of defense they want to run.
I think Torrey Smith may be a decent target for our #2...  
RC02XX : 12/17/2014 1:47 pm : link
who can stretch the field. He has been inconsistent as a Raven, but I think a change of system and playing with Eli can make him more consistent.

I'm not sure how much it'll cost to sign him, but it can't be too much.
RE: RE: JPP  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12039720 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12039695 pjcas18 said:


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is replaceable, but my point with him is to replace him you would need either a) a high $$ free agent or b) a premium draft pick.

Why not just re-sign him?

Plus, I am not an expert, I'll say that upfront, but I feel like he's misused (like others feel this way too), so perhaps a different DC would put him back in positions to excel, like 2011.

I don't believe it's all injury or lack of desire on his part that explains the performance difference. Lastly he's legit stifling against the run, no one is better as a 4-3 DE. You can find pure pass rushers - as evidenced by Ayers but the way the NFL is today, when you play teams who have a QB that takes a 3-step drop a lot of that pass rush is neutralized, you need two-way DE's, otherwise the Osi's of the world are situational players, not every down guys. JPP is an every down player.



It's the same DC, though.

It's not like one guy used him one way in 2011 and then Fewell came in and stopped using him that way and now he sucks.

I don't know why he's been less dominant. I think last year was injury related to a degree.. this year he has been pretty good at times just not consistent. 2012 he seemed out of shape to me.

I don't know. I'd like to retain him but it depends on the price and it also depends who the DC is going to be next year and what type of defense they want to run.


It was the personnel is my guess. Osi, Tuck, Linval, Canty, etc. commanded more OL/TE blocking respect and attention and JPP was freed up more in one on one battles - and he won them. Fewell seemed like he was running the same calls like he had a younger, healthy Tuck and Osi out there with JPP.

I think another DC might be creative enough with the existing personnel to free up JPP for more effective pass rushing. Just a guess though.

RE: Brandon Spikes  
Blue Blood : 12/17/2014 1:50 pm : link
In comment 12039280 Go Terps said:
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Look at what he's doing for Buffalo. I want someone that will make life unpleasant for McCoy and Murray. Team him with Kennard and all of a sudden the LBs are hitting machines.


I think almost anyone would look good with that Dline Buffalo has..
Oh and Arc  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:54 pm : link
I also do believe injuries and being out of shape have contributed to JPP - I'm not putting it all on Fewell, but I don't believe he's helping the situation either.
I don't see how a guy as unathletic as Spikes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 1:57 pm : link
makes life miserable for a RB like McCoy, who could dance circles around him.

Does a tree make life difficult for a squirrel?
RE: I don't see how a guy as unathletic as Spikes  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12039756 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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makes life miserable for a RB like McCoy, who could dance circles around him.

Does a tree make life difficult for a squirrel?


Is that a serious post? Not many better run defending linebackers in the entire NFL than Brandon Spikes. Regardless of who the RB is.
RE: See if the Vikings  
CromartiesKid21 : 12/17/2014 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12039451 JINTin Adirondacks said:
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would take Jennings and and a 5th or 6th for Peterson.

AP is likely cut after this year he's a huge question mark and cap hit next year. But I'd ask what they would want for Cordarelle Patterson whom theyve clearly given up on. Wonder what Macadoo would be able to do with that kind of unit yet skillset
RE: Oh and Arc  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12039747 pjcas18 said:
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I also do believe injuries and being out of shape have contributed to JPP - I'm not putting it all on Fewell, but I don't believe he's helping the situation either.


It's possible. I'm just not sure how much more Fewell can do for him. It's not like he's getting double and triple teamed on every play. A LT and maybe a RB are usually the only things standing between he and the QB. He's got to win more of his battles.

Maybe stunting more to stretch some holes or collapse could help.. maybe sending the RCB to force the RB to pick someone else up.. who knows.

Hopefully if he's still here next year, the next DC can get more pass rush out of him. His run defense is obviously not in need of any help.
odd  
djm : 12/17/2014 2:54 pm : link
that so many NYG fans want Suh here for what will amount to a historically big contract but these same fans want no part of signing JPP long term.

The grass is always greener.

Both players were drafted in 2010.

Player 1 Stats:

76 games
170 tackles
58 assists
34 sacks
14 Pass-Def
1 INT
1 SFTY

Player 2 Stats:

73 games
197 tackles
80 assists
39 sacks
28 Pass-Def
2 INTS
1 SFTY
2 TDs

One plays DT and one plays DE...bla bla bla bla bla


the guy with the better numbers  
djm : 12/17/2014 2:55 pm : link
also has a super bowl ring and isn't known for flipping out on the football field once or twice a season.
FA  
stretch234 : 12/17/2014 3:05 pm : link
Bulaga is the 5th best OL on the Packers - he is not that good.

KJ Wright is an interesting play - does Sea re-sign him and put more money on the D side of the ball or let him go

The FA LB market is thin.

I would also look at G - either Orlando Franklin or Clint Bolling. Both young. Denver has got to deal with a lot of FA starters. Franklin will cost more than Bolling but Bolling can play


Spikes is the kind of guy that can take McCoy's interest in the game  
Go Terps : 12/17/2014 3:19 pm : link
away from him in the first quarter. And for all the talk of him being slow, the guy is involved in everything...and is strong in zone coverage reading the QB. Being slow can be mitigated if you never take a bad step. Shit look at Blackburn for proof of that. Or Jacquain Williams for proof of the opposite.
RE: Suh  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12039241 eleven said:
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Please... Thank you


Not going to happen
RE: I beleive Rolando McClain  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:17 pm : link
In comment 12039611 JFIB said:
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Only signed a one year deal in Dallas. They are going to have a hard tome keeping him with both Dez and Murray being FA's this year. he would look good manning the middle for us.


I don't trust a guy who has crashed and burned on two other teams before finally making it with the Cowboys. I actually don't think he will be very expensive and the Cowboys will keep him.
RE: RE: Brandon Spikes  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12039735 Blue Blood said:
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In comment 12039280 Go Terps said:


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Look at what he's doing for Buffalo. I want someone that will make life unpleasant for McCoy and Murray. Team him with Kennard and all of a sudden the LBs are hitting machines.



I think almost anyone would look good with that Dline Buffalo has..


Anyone that has watched Buffalo this year will tell you the LBs are not what makes their Defense. Don't get me wrong, they are collectively better than the Giants LBs, but Spikes is just a cog in the machine. The D is built on a dominant DL (Hughes, Kyle Williams, Dareus, and Mario Williams are the best front 4 in football) hard hitting and aggressive safeties, and strong cover CBs. Arguably, the Bills best defensive player is rehabing a knee injury (LB Kiko Alonzo)
RE: I think Torrey Smith may be a decent target for our #2...  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12039723 RC02XX said:
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who can stretch the field. He has been inconsistent as a Raven, but I think a change of system and playing with Eli can make him more consistent.

I'm not sure how much it'll cost to sign him, but it can't be too much.


Sign me up for Torrey Smith. He would instantly relegate Randle to the #4 WR and I think he also returns kicks. The Ravens also nominated him for the Walter Payton man of the year award.
RE: RE: I don't see how a guy as unathletic as Spikes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 6:34 pm : link
In comment 12039777 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12039756 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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makes life miserable for a RB like McCoy, who could dance circles around him.

Does a tree make life difficult for a squirrel?



Is that a serious post? Not many better run defending linebackers in the entire NFL than Brandon Spikes. Regardless of who the RB is.


It's a serious post.

I'll take Spikes 9 times out of 10 to destroy anything between the tackles, but McCoy's career is built on ridiculous speed, agility, and making people miss.
K.J. Wright  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/18/2014 3:13 pm : link
just re-signed with the Seahawks today. 4-year contract.
kj wright just signed  
NYG4246 : 12/18/2014 4:32 pm : link
4yr/27mil today to re-up with the seahawks
And just like  
pjcas18 : 12/18/2014 4:36 pm : link
that I'm back to the drawing board.

I didn't think they'd have the money with Wilson needing to be paid, as well as others, but I guess ditching Harvin probably opened some future space.
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