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3 Significant Free Agent Signings

pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:14 am
and a couple less significant that I believe the Giants should make, and would provide Reese the draft flexibility he likes and not require him to force a need pick.

1. Bryan Bulaga (RT GB), he's just 26 it would be similar to the McKenzie signing in that he should anchor the right side of the line for 5 - 6 years and frees up Pugh to move inside (as discussed in the other thread)

2. JPP (DE NYG), he's also just 26, and this might be controversial since he hasn't seemed to duplicate his lofty 2011 season, but he is lethal vs the run and we're seeing now how his pass rush is more effective with he emergence of Kennard and the increase in PT for Moore. PFF (for those who care) rank him by far as the #1 4-3 DE vs. the run and #2 overall 4-3 DE in the NFL after Cameron Wake. His loss would be hard to replace and would require a significant free agent signing anyway or premium draft pick.

3. KJ Wright (LB SEA), not flashy, but good at everything, decent size, decent against the pass, and decent rushing the passer, the run is probably his weakest facet and it's not bad. He'd be an immediate upgrade.

Lesser signings:
Devin McCourty, S NE, he's a converted CB, and more of a centerfielder than an in the box safety, but he's generally good in coverage and doesn't get beat deep

Eddie Royal - a good stretch the field guy to allow ODB and Cruz to work underneath and/or not always draw the safety help

no clue what these guys will actually cost, we'll find out soon, but given the cap space the Giants have and contracts still to shed I think this can be doable.

Other considerations would be a TE.
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No to Royal  
dep026 : 12/17/2014 10:15 am : link
he is a slot guy, and Cruz already occupies that spot. Now umless Cruz cant come back, thats a different story.
Royal  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:18 am : link
is a lesser signing anyway, but he plays outside as well as slot.

I think a stretch the field speed guy would help, and he's been one

I considered Cobb, as sort of a wish list kind of signing, since he's a FA too, but that would mean Cruz moves outside which might be best for him. Cruz isn't just a slot receiver either.
Bulaga would be a nice pickup  
MaineGiantFan : 12/17/2014 10:19 am : link
McCourty would be as well. I'm very reluctant to sign JPPto a big money deal
McCourty is not a lesser signing  
jeff57 : 12/17/2014 10:20 am : link
He's one of the best FS in the league.
...  
26.2 : 12/17/2014 10:24 am : link
Royal is a decent PR too as well isn't he? I'd rather not keep putting ODB back there all the time.
what kind of deal  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:24 am : link
do you think McCourty gets?

Up here in NE they don't think it's going to be a lot, but they do also think the Pats will be outbid since they need to re-sign Revis too, so they consider him gone.

Revis isn't a FA but he has a whopping $25M cap number next year so that's a foregone conclusion that deal is going to be redone.
Bulaga has been hurt a lot  
Reale01 : 12/17/2014 10:28 am : link
IIRC we need guys who can stay on the field.
I think Bulaga will be re-signed  
beatrixkiddo : 12/17/2014 10:30 am : link
Randall Cobb however, is likely to be a FA with Nelson getting a big contract. I would love to target him, and he would be perfect insurance incase Cruz doesn't come back, and if he does, he makes us that much more dynamic.

McCourty would be a solid signing, but I wonder what the market for him would be. I would pay him over Rolle at this point.

I agree with JPP. We need a new DC that can maximize the talent on this defense, it's clear these players aren't developing and Fewell isn't doing a good job of putting them in a position to develop. I would like to sign him to a 4-5 year deal, cut Kiwi so this team can get Ayers, Moore, and Wynn on the field, and bring in another FA or mid round Rookie to compete.

We need to see more playtime from Bromley the rest of this season, because depth at DT is rather thin with an aging Patterson and Jenkins. Kuhn is fine as a rotational guy, but we need to see if Bromley is capable of starting.
Suh  
eleven : 12/17/2014 10:31 am : link
Please... Thank you
I can't speculate as to the #'s for McCourty doubtful he will be back  
MaineGiantFan : 12/17/2014 10:34 am : link
in NE. Speaking of NE Jerod Mayo looks like he will have to take a good size paycut to remain with NE. I believe he is due around 6mill but I can't imagine NE bringing him back for anything over $1.5 mill. Not sure he will do that
I think Revis  
Doomster : 12/17/2014 10:34 am : link
only is signed, if they win the SB, and want a repeat....

If they falter in the playoffs, it's possible they don't resign him to a new deal......he kind of has them by the gonads.....he is paid 12M this year, and if on the roster in April, gets 20M......naturally, they are not going to pay that amount.....so, he can use the open market as a bargaining chip.....playing well this season, sure has helped....
I'd love  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:36 am : link
Suh on this team, I just think he'd be it, I don't think there's space for him and two other significant signings.

For me, if it's not Bulaga it's a different RT. Signing the RT in FA gets everyone off the "have to draft OL in the first" bandwagon and not that it matters since Reese is the one who makes the call not us, I think the FA RT set the team up to win now more than a draft pick.

Look around the league at Fisher, Joeckel, Johnson, the sure things from the 2013 draft all having growing pains and bust potential. a FA you know (usually) what you're getting as long as you don't do something stupid and sign a guy like Baas who is a guard (and an average one) to play C after one mediocre season there.
RE: I can't speculate as to the #'s for McCourty doubtful he will be back  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:38 am : link
In comment 12039249 MaineGiantFan said:
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in NE. Speaking of NE Jerod Mayo looks like he will have to take a good size paycut to remain with NE. I believe he is due around 6mill but I can't imagine NE bringing him back for anything over $1.5 mill. Not sure he will do that


I think Mayo is a goner, Jamie Collins is ridiculously talented and Donta Hightower has really come into his own. Mayo was a guy who racked up tackles and I never even noticed he played some games. He was one of those quiet 10 tackles guys. I agree, unless he agrees to a lesser deal he's probably gone, plus he's been IR'd the past two years.
Im fine with those signings  
CruzShip52 : 12/17/2014 10:40 am : link
See ya rolle, add mccourty, draft a S to play alongside he and berhe, and cooper. Safety position changes the entire defense, need a good safety to play the deep ball.
I like wright, mccourty  
Les in TO : 12/17/2014 10:40 am : link
and Dan Williams. JPP dominated against backups, but disappeared against starters; I think we've seen his peak and it's going to be all downhill here on in once he gets paid.
Sign Iupati, Suh, JPP, Rolle, and McCourty  
CMicks3110 : 12/17/2014 10:41 am : link
and we're set
Brandon Spikes  
Go Terps : 12/17/2014 10:43 am : link
Look at what he's doing for Buffalo. I want someone that will make life unpleasant for McCoy and Murray. Team him with Kennard and all of a sudden the LBs are hitting machines.
love brandon  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:45 am : link
spikes, people complain he's a 2-down LB, the 3 down LB is so rare these days, and he's such a force in the middle against the run it's almost like another DL.

I'd sign him in a heartbeat
resign  
TommyWiseau : 12/17/2014 10:51 am : link
Prince, JPP and go after Julius Thomas
Bulaga would be a huge addition, ala McKenzie.  
yatqb : 12/17/2014 11:02 am : link
A guy in his prime who is a very competent RT. Pugh moves inside but can also serve as insurance at both Tackle spots, and with Schwartz at RG the starting OL is set.

I'd also sign a 3rd down RB (someone akin to Sproles), and then focus on S (McCourty is a nice one), LB and DL additions. A good 2nd receiver wouldn't hurt either. And re-signing JPP, Bowman and Thurmond would be nice too.

As bad as this team is, we're not far away from being good.





Prince was already  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 11:04 am : link
"re-signed" for next year, they exercised the 2015 option.

I like Julius Thomas, but he seems soft.
RE: Suh  
BMac : 12/17/2014 11:06 am : link
In comment 12039241 eleven said:
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Please... Thank you


Suh wants $17 million per year, with a large guaranteed base. Not nearly worth that kind of money.
pj..  
MaineGiantFan : 12/17/2014 11:08 am : link
As an aside...Do you find Andy Gresh as annoying as I do ? Being held captive to sports radio up there for a long time he was difficult to escape. To me he is a station changer. Ugh
RE: Brandon Spikes  
BillKo : 12/17/2014 11:09 am : link
In comment 12039280 Go Terps said:
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Look at what he's doing for Buffalo. I want someone that will make life unpleasant for McCoy and Murray. Team him with Kennard and all of a sudden the LBs are hitting machines.


Yes, we need someone in the middle who can just be a motor guy, someone who is all over the field.

We got a tease of it with Beason for a few games last year.
RE: pj..  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 11:17 am : link
In comment 12039349 MaineGiantFan said:
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As an aside...Do you find Andy Gresh as annoying as I do ? Being held captive to sports radio up there for a long time he was difficult to escape. To me he is a station changer. Ugh


YES, he's as annoying as "the Big O" was on WEEI before they were steamrolled by 98.5. I like Zolak though, he's funny, a ridiculous Pats homer, but funny.
Anyone think  
RH : 12/17/2014 11:17 am : link
Micheal Crabtree would be a nice addition to our team? He could make Randle tradable or a backup. Plus, he would be good to have while Cruz heals. I have a feeling he starts the year on PUP list. Crabtree wasn't the player he was drafted to be, but he could certainly help move the chains & keep defenses guessing where we're going with the ball. I think he could be had for less than what we gave Victor Cruz, maybe $5M per for 3 or 4 years?
Sign Suh  
Bleedin Blue : 12/17/2014 11:18 am : link
a D-Line with Suh, Hankins, Moore, Ayers, Wynn, JPP(if he doesn't want crazy money), Bromley and Jenkins or Patterson (I lean towards Jenkins) would be a really good D-Line, and would help keep the LB's clean to make plays.
RE: Sign Iupati, Suh, JPP, Rolle, and McCourty  
Toth029 : 12/17/2014 11:26 am : link
In comment 12039277 CMicks3110 said:
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and we're set

What's a salary cap
Can't sign JPP and Suh  
jeff57 : 12/17/2014 11:26 am : link
One or the other.
What have the Giants done in the last decade  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 11:33 am : link
that makes you think they're going to sink tons of money into a defensive tackle?


Bulaga is constantly hurt. Constantly.
Eli  
Dragon : 12/17/2014 11:41 am : link
Plays a big part on what they can do if we don't know what he will cost us the year after, then more than likely only one big FA contract JPP or someone else. I don't see them having the money for Sue under any circumstances. We will be able to sign FA's but not the top guys they will all want big money.
I usally ignore these BBI GM threads but this is a good post.  
NYGmen58 : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
I agree with all your points (especially Bulaga if he's available and JPP).

I like Royal as well, as the Giants can use an upgrade to the slot position, regardless if Cruz lines up there a lot.
See if the Vikings  
JINTin Adirondacks : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
would take Jennings and and a 5th or 6th for Peterson.
.  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
Julius Thomas would be a bad signing.

I think if the Giants are at all skeptical about Cruz being Cruz again, they will make a serious run at Cobb.
We can have upwards of 40 milliion in cap space  
CMicks3110 : 12/17/2014 11:44 am : link
if we handle things right, we can make a huge splash in FA...Why the hell not
i dont think its a given pugh can play guard  
CGiants07 : 12/17/2014 11:50 am : link
he was left tackle all during college
The Giants will be nearly $20 million under the cap for 2015  
sjnyfan : 12/17/2014 12:05 pm : link
and that's before making cuts. You can bet your bottom dollar that Kiwi and Beason aren't getting the $7+ million due next season. Cutting them saves nearly $9 million in cap space. If you bring in Suh, who I think should be a top priority, you're cutting Cullen Jenkins which would save $2+ million. I'm also certain Weatherford won't get $3+ million (although I hope he stays), I think David Wilson is still on the books and I'm sure Eli gets an extension which would save a ton of cap space.

Keeping JPP, which I don't think will cost as much as some think, and signing Suh should be priorities 1 and 1a for free agency. Ayers-Hankins-Suh-JPP would be as good of a line in the league and there would still be money for a few other priority signings.

As for OL, I like Iupati but wouldn't break the bank for him. He's an excellent run blocker but not so much in the passing game. I'd prefer Orlando Franklin who wouldn't cost as much and not only plays LG but has experience at RT if a change was made or we needed emergency snaps. I'd like a swing tackle or super sub signed as well. Michael Roos has had a solid career but will be 33 next year and isn't in the Titans future. He would be far better than Charles Brown and still has tread on the tires. Another option is Joe Barksdale from St. Louis. He's only 26 and though he's been at RT for the Rams he has some experience at LT and LG. Sign any two and grab one OL in the draft and we're set.

Lastly I'd look to sign an RB for cheap. Can't trust Jennings health or Williams vision. Mark Ingram, CJ Spiller and Justin Forsett all have question marks but should come cheap with reward outweighing risk.
RE: No to Royal  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/17/2014 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12039176 dep026 said:
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he is a slot guy, and Cruz already occupies that spot. Now umless Cruz cant come back, thats a different story.


Royal is a great PR as well, so I would definitely be a good overall depth addition for the right price.
I have no interest in Suh  
Milton : 12/17/2014 12:30 pm : link
Besides the fact that he would cost way too much money, he's a jerk and I don't want to be rooting for a jerk. There are enough talented players in the NFL that you don't need to back up the Brinks truck to some selfish prick in order to win.
RE: i dont think its a given pugh can play guard  
Matt M. : 12/17/2014 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12039472 CGiants07 said:
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he was left tackle all during college


This is the reason I have not gotten behind the calls to move Pugh this year or next year. They can try him inside in camp, but I wouldn't pencil him in or make an overhaul based on this move given that he played OT exclusively in college. Plus, I think you are correct in that he only played LT.
RE: The Giants will be nearly $20 million under the cap for 2015  
Reb8thVA : 12/17/2014 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12039514 sjnyfan said:
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and that's before making cuts. You can bet your bottom dollar that Kiwi and Beason aren't getting the $7+ million due next season. Cutting them saves nearly $9 million in cap space. If you bring in Suh, who I think should be a top priority, you're cutting Cullen Jenkins which would save $2+ million. I'm also certain Weatherford won't get $3+ million (although I hope he stays), I think David Wilson is still on the books and I'm sure Eli gets an extension which would save a ton of cap space.

Keeping JPP, which I don't think will cost as much as some think, and signing Suh should be priorities 1 and 1a for free agency. Ayers-Hankins-Suh-JPP would be as good of a line in the league and there would still be money for a few other priority signings.

As for OL, I like Iupati but wouldn't break the bank for him. He's an excellent run blocker but not so much in the passing game. I'd prefer Orlando Franklin who wouldn't cost as much and not only plays LG but has experience at RT if a change was made or we needed emergency snaps. I'd like a swing tackle or super sub signed as well. Michael Roos has had a solid career but will be 33 next year and isn't in the Titans future. He would be far better than Charles Brown and still has tread on the tires. Another option is Joe Barksdale from St. Louis. He's only 26 and though he's been at RT for the Rams he has some experience at LT and LG. Sign any two and grab one OL in the draft and we're set.

Lastly I'd look to sign an RB for cheap. Can't trust Jennings health or Williams vision. Mark Ingram, CJ Spiller and Justin Forsett all have question marks but should come cheap with reward outweighing risk.


I agree. My top three targets are Suh, Frankin, and KJ Wright
We've seen the Giants move guys around on the OL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 12:37 pm : link
Diehl played all over the line. I don't think he ever played tackle in college but they used him there here. Kevin Boothe swapped from guard to center and back. I don't think it's far fetched to see the Giants move an undersized tackle to a guard position. It's not like it's unheard of for college tackles to come to the pros and play guard. It's been done.

Brandon Mosley played LT in a big time college program and I don't think he's ever played anything BUT guard as a pro.
I beleive Rolando McClain  
JFIB : 12/17/2014 12:50 pm : link
Only signed a one year deal in Dallas. They are going to have a hard tome keeping him with both Dez and Murray being FA's this year. he would look good manning the middle for us.
There are quite a few college tackles plaiyng at guard  
sjnyfan : 12/17/2014 12:53 pm : link
Zack Martin exclusively played LT but as we know is playing exceptionally well at RG for the Cowboys.

Joel Bitonio, a rookie that has quietly put together an exceptional season, is one of just five guards this year to have over 400 pass block snaps and has yet to allow a single sack. I'd argue that he's having a better season than Martin.

Mike Iupati and Orlando Franklin will be top free agent guards this offseason that played tackle in college.

I thought during the '13 draft that Pugh would make a decent tackle but potentially a pro bowl guard. I still think he can.
sjnyfan  
Matt M. : 12/17/2014 12:58 pm : link
Just because you can point to a few players who were OT in college but have played well at OG, it doesn't mean that Pugh will be a good OG. I think their OL has been bad enough that a simple move of him is solving anything. As such, I think they should approach OL as BPA between FA and the draft and bring in about 3 players in this category, regardless of position and then figure out where veryone will line up.

I think Beatty should be penciled in at LT and Richburg at OC and we should look to fill the other 3 positions with the very best we can get. Even at that, neither of those guys should be written in stone either. It may turn out that a healthy Schwartz is our RG or RT. It may turn out he is the first guy off the bench. It may turn out we get 2 outstanding OGs and Pugh stays at RT benefitting from improved play next to him. I wouldn't discount that he was playing next to one of the worst OL in the league this year, in my opinion.
WR  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 12/17/2014 12:58 pm : link
I don't see the Giants spending FA dollars on a WR. This is another draft that's deep at receiver, and there are plenty of other holes they should fill with experience, particularly along both lines.

My top 3 FA targets would be:
1) JPP: I want to keep him at a reasonable dollar amount.
2) Orlando Franklin / James Carpenter / Ryan Harris: This is hugely dependent on how the staff sees Pugh. But Franklin can play RT or slide inside if Pugh stays there. But he'll want to be paid like a RT either way. We could also target Harris if Pugh moves inside. If the Giants are all-in on Pugh at tackle, I'd look at Carpenter for LG.
3) KJ Wright: It's time to address the LB spot on this team, and I don't think Wright is breaking the bank.

I'd also grab second-tier FAs, like Roos (who was mentioned earlier) and Roy Helu.
JPP is a beast and think there's no one  
#10* : 12/17/2014 1:01 pm : link
that will really replace him unless we're looking at Suh and draft a 3rd or 2nd round pass rusher. But I think we need to spend our 1st two picks on the offensive line. If we can avg 32 points a game I think we lock down the playoffs next year. And we need a talented but more importantly healthy o-line to see that through.
How or why is JPP not replaceable?  
Matt M. : 12/17/2014 1:13 pm : link
He is having a good, not great, season in a contract year and only had one superb season prior. He has had a back injury that isn't likely to get better. Most importantly to me, this defense has been in the bottom 1/3 of the league every single season he has been here. That isn't his fault, but he is supposed to be currently be the anchor of this D. If they are that bad, everybody is replaceable.
Withdrawing the 1st two o-line draft pick statement  
#10* : 12/17/2014 1:26 pm : link
I forgot how bad our RB situation has looked.
Cobb  
SoZKillA : 12/17/2014 1:28 pm : link
Is not leaving Green Bay
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