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3 Significant Free Agent Signings

pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 10:14 am
and a couple less significant that I believe the Giants should make, and would provide Reese the draft flexibility he likes and not require him to force a need pick.

1. Bryan Bulaga (RT GB), he's just 26 it would be similar to the McKenzie signing in that he should anchor the right side of the line for 5 - 6 years and frees up Pugh to move inside (as discussed in the other thread)

2. JPP (DE NYG), he's also just 26, and this might be controversial since he hasn't seemed to duplicate his lofty 2011 season, but he is lethal vs the run and we're seeing now how his pass rush is more effective with he emergence of Kennard and the increase in PT for Moore. PFF (for those who care) rank him by far as the #1 4-3 DE vs. the run and #2 overall 4-3 DE in the NFL after Cameron Wake. His loss would be hard to replace and would require a significant free agent signing anyway or premium draft pick.

3. KJ Wright (LB SEA), not flashy, but good at everything, decent size, decent against the pass, and decent rushing the passer, the run is probably his weakest facet and it's not bad. He'd be an immediate upgrade.

Lesser signings:
Devin McCourty, S NE, he's a converted CB, and more of a centerfielder than an in the box safety, but he's generally good in coverage and doesn't get beat deep

Eddie Royal - a good stretch the field guy to allow ODB and Cruz to work underneath and/or not always draw the safety help

no clue what these guys will actually cost, we'll find out soon, but given the cap space the Giants have and contracts still to shed I think this can be doable.

Other considerations would be a TE.
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RE: Cobb  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 1:33 pm : link
In comment 12039684 SoZKillA said:
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Is not leaving Green Bay


Based on... what?
JPP  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:33 pm : link
is replaceable, but my point with him is to replace him you would need either a) a high $$ free agent or b) a premium draft pick.

Why not just re-sign him?

Plus, I am not an expert, I'll say that upfront, but I feel like he's misused (like others feel this way too), so perhaps a different DC would put him back in positions to excel, like 2011.

I don't believe it's all injury or lack of desire on his part that explains the performance difference. Lastly he's legit stifling against the run, no one is better as a 4-3 DE. You can find pure pass rushers - as evidenced by Ayers but the way the NFL is today, when you play teams who have a QB that takes a 3-step drop a lot of that pass rush is neutralized, you need two-way DE's, otherwise the Osi's of the world are situational players, not every down guys. JPP is an every down player.
Eddie Royal?  
Greg from LI : 12/17/2014 1:36 pm : link
Christ, haven't we learned our lesson about signing or drafting Hokies?
I said it was a lesser  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:37 pm : link
signing.

RE: JPP  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12039695 pjcas18 said:
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is replaceable, but my point with him is to replace him you would need either a) a high $$ free agent or b) a premium draft pick.

Why not just re-sign him?

Plus, I am not an expert, I'll say that upfront, but I feel like he's misused (like others feel this way too), so perhaps a different DC would put him back in positions to excel, like 2011.

I don't believe it's all injury or lack of desire on his part that explains the performance difference. Lastly he's legit stifling against the run, no one is better as a 4-3 DE. You can find pure pass rushers - as evidenced by Ayers but the way the NFL is today, when you play teams who have a QB that takes a 3-step drop a lot of that pass rush is neutralized, you need two-way DE's, otherwise the Osi's of the world are situational players, not every down guys. JPP is an every down player.


It's the same DC, though.

It's not like one guy used him one way in 2011 and then Fewell came in and stopped using him that way and now he sucks.

I don't know why he's been less dominant. I think last year was injury related to a degree.. this year he has been pretty good at times just not consistent. 2012 he seemed out of shape to me.

I don't know. I'd like to retain him but it depends on the price and it also depends who the DC is going to be next year and what type of defense they want to run.
I think Torrey Smith may be a decent target for our #2...  
RC02XX : 12/17/2014 1:47 pm : link
who can stretch the field. He has been inconsistent as a Raven, but I think a change of system and playing with Eli can make him more consistent.

I'm not sure how much it'll cost to sign him, but it can't be too much.
RE: RE: JPP  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12039720 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12039695 pjcas18 said:


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is replaceable, but my point with him is to replace him you would need either a) a high $$ free agent or b) a premium draft pick.

Why not just re-sign him?

Plus, I am not an expert, I'll say that upfront, but I feel like he's misused (like others feel this way too), so perhaps a different DC would put him back in positions to excel, like 2011.

I don't believe it's all injury or lack of desire on his part that explains the performance difference. Lastly he's legit stifling against the run, no one is better as a 4-3 DE. You can find pure pass rushers - as evidenced by Ayers but the way the NFL is today, when you play teams who have a QB that takes a 3-step drop a lot of that pass rush is neutralized, you need two-way DE's, otherwise the Osi's of the world are situational players, not every down guys. JPP is an every down player.



It's the same DC, though.

It's not like one guy used him one way in 2011 and then Fewell came in and stopped using him that way and now he sucks.

I don't know why he's been less dominant. I think last year was injury related to a degree.. this year he has been pretty good at times just not consistent. 2012 he seemed out of shape to me.

I don't know. I'd like to retain him but it depends on the price and it also depends who the DC is going to be next year and what type of defense they want to run.


It was the personnel is my guess. Osi, Tuck, Linval, Canty, etc. commanded more OL/TE blocking respect and attention and JPP was freed up more in one on one battles - and he won them. Fewell seemed like he was running the same calls like he had a younger, healthy Tuck and Osi out there with JPP.

I think another DC might be creative enough with the existing personnel to free up JPP for more effective pass rushing. Just a guess though.

RE: Brandon Spikes  
Blue Blood : 12/17/2014 1:50 pm : link
In comment 12039280 Go Terps said:
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Look at what he's doing for Buffalo. I want someone that will make life unpleasant for McCoy and Murray. Team him with Kennard and all of a sudden the LBs are hitting machines.


I think almost anyone would look good with that Dline Buffalo has..
Oh and Arc  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 1:54 pm : link
I also do believe injuries and being out of shape have contributed to JPP - I'm not putting it all on Fewell, but I don't believe he's helping the situation either.
I don't see how a guy as unathletic as Spikes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 1:57 pm : link
makes life miserable for a RB like McCoy, who could dance circles around him.

Does a tree make life difficult for a squirrel?
RE: I don't see how a guy as unathletic as Spikes  
pjcas18 : 12/17/2014 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12039756 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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makes life miserable for a RB like McCoy, who could dance circles around him.

Does a tree make life difficult for a squirrel?


Is that a serious post? Not many better run defending linebackers in the entire NFL than Brandon Spikes. Regardless of who the RB is.
RE: See if the Vikings  
CromartiesKid21 : 12/17/2014 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12039451 JINTin Adirondacks said:
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would take Jennings and and a 5th or 6th for Peterson.

AP is likely cut after this year he's a huge question mark and cap hit next year. But I'd ask what they would want for Cordarelle Patterson whom theyve clearly given up on. Wonder what Macadoo would be able to do with that kind of unit yet skillset
RE: Oh and Arc  
arcarsenal : 12/17/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12039747 pjcas18 said:
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I also do believe injuries and being out of shape have contributed to JPP - I'm not putting it all on Fewell, but I don't believe he's helping the situation either.


It's possible. I'm just not sure how much more Fewell can do for him. It's not like he's getting double and triple teamed on every play. A LT and maybe a RB are usually the only things standing between he and the QB. He's got to win more of his battles.

Maybe stunting more to stretch some holes or collapse could help.. maybe sending the RCB to force the RB to pick someone else up.. who knows.

Hopefully if he's still here next year, the next DC can get more pass rush out of him. His run defense is obviously not in need of any help.
odd  
djm : 12/17/2014 2:54 pm : link
that so many NYG fans want Suh here for what will amount to a historically big contract but these same fans want no part of signing JPP long term.

The grass is always greener.

Both players were drafted in 2010.

Player 1 Stats:

76 games
170 tackles
58 assists
34 sacks
14 Pass-Def
1 INT
1 SFTY

Player 2 Stats:

73 games
197 tackles
80 assists
39 sacks
28 Pass-Def
2 INTS
1 SFTY
2 TDs

One plays DT and one plays DE...bla bla bla bla bla


the guy with the better numbers  
djm : 12/17/2014 2:55 pm : link
also has a super bowl ring and isn't known for flipping out on the football field once or twice a season.
FA  
stretch234 : 12/17/2014 3:05 pm : link
Bulaga is the 5th best OL on the Packers - he is not that good.

KJ Wright is an interesting play - does Sea re-sign him and put more money on the D side of the ball or let him go

The FA LB market is thin.

I would also look at G - either Orlando Franklin or Clint Bolling. Both young. Denver has got to deal with a lot of FA starters. Franklin will cost more than Bolling but Bolling can play


Spikes is the kind of guy that can take McCoy's interest in the game  
Go Terps : 12/17/2014 3:19 pm : link
away from him in the first quarter. And for all the talk of him being slow, the guy is involved in everything...and is strong in zone coverage reading the QB. Being slow can be mitigated if you never take a bad step. Shit look at Blackburn for proof of that. Or Jacquain Williams for proof of the opposite.
RE: Suh  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12039241 eleven said:
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Please... Thank you


Not going to happen
RE: I beleive Rolando McClain  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:17 pm : link
In comment 12039611 JFIB said:
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Only signed a one year deal in Dallas. They are going to have a hard tome keeping him with both Dez and Murray being FA's this year. he would look good manning the middle for us.


I don't trust a guy who has crashed and burned on two other teams before finally making it with the Cowboys. I actually don't think he will be very expensive and the Cowboys will keep him.
RE: RE: Brandon Spikes  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12039735 Blue Blood said:
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In comment 12039280 Go Terps said:


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Look at what he's doing for Buffalo. I want someone that will make life unpleasant for McCoy and Murray. Team him with Kennard and all of a sudden the LBs are hitting machines.



I think almost anyone would look good with that Dline Buffalo has..


Anyone that has watched Buffalo this year will tell you the LBs are not what makes their Defense. Don't get me wrong, they are collectively better than the Giants LBs, but Spikes is just a cog in the machine. The D is built on a dominant DL (Hughes, Kyle Williams, Dareus, and Mario Williams are the best front 4 in football) hard hitting and aggressive safeties, and strong cover CBs. Arguably, the Bills best defensive player is rehabing a knee injury (LB Kiko Alonzo)
RE: I think Torrey Smith may be a decent target for our #2...  
Emil : 12/17/2014 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12039723 RC02XX said:
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who can stretch the field. He has been inconsistent as a Raven, but I think a change of system and playing with Eli can make him more consistent.

I'm not sure how much it'll cost to sign him, but it can't be too much.


Sign me up for Torrey Smith. He would instantly relegate Randle to the #4 WR and I think he also returns kicks. The Ravens also nominated him for the Walter Payton man of the year award.
RE: RE: I don't see how a guy as unathletic as Spikes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/17/2014 6:34 pm : link
In comment 12039777 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12039756 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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makes life miserable for a RB like McCoy, who could dance circles around him.

Does a tree make life difficult for a squirrel?



Is that a serious post? Not many better run defending linebackers in the entire NFL than Brandon Spikes. Regardless of who the RB is.


It's a serious post.

I'll take Spikes 9 times out of 10 to destroy anything between the tackles, but McCoy's career is built on ridiculous speed, agility, and making people miss.
K.J. Wright  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/18/2014 3:13 pm : link
just re-signed with the Seahawks today. 4-year contract.
kj wright just signed  
NYG4246 : 12/18/2014 4:32 pm : link
4yr/27mil today to re-up with the seahawks
And just like  
pjcas18 : 12/18/2014 4:36 pm : link
that I'm back to the drawing board.

I didn't think they'd have the money with Wilson needing to be paid, as well as others, but I guess ditching Harvin probably opened some future space.
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