Bears Bench Cutler

His salary is very high, but IIRC they can cut him with relatively little cap overhang. So it's not really that big a catastrophe - financially. The real problem is that they have to find another QB.

In comment 12040382 Deej said:

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That coaching staff is punch drunk. Unprofessional and on the way out, they're just caving to media and fan pressure. There is no way that they have a better chance to win right now with Cutler on the bench. The scapegoating of Cutler is madness; you'd think he was having a Geno Smith season when in fact he's got a 28-18 ratio (his completion percentage is way down to 55% though). And the Jeff George comparison is a fucking joke. Cutler has put in a workman like career. He's much more Drew Bledsoe than George.

He's completing 66% of his passes this season and yes the coaching staff is high.

There were some glorious messes over the years, from what I recall.

In comment 12040436 illmatic said:

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and he always looks like he just doesn't give a shit. Like he'd rather be at the bar downing some drinks than out on the field competing. He's the type of QB you'll never win with. I still can't believe they gave him so much money.

Of course the fool is diabetic as well

In comment 12040443 Big Blue Blogger said:

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His salary is very high, but IIRC they can cut him with relatively little cap overhang. So it's not really that big a catastrophe - financially. The real problem is that they have to find another QB.

Not at all...Cutler is owed a fully guaranteed $15.5 million next year, the Bears only option is to trade Cutler this offseason if they want to move on from him. Chicago would absorb $19 million in dead money by releasing Cutler before 2016.

In comment 12040378 oipolloi said:

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Cutler is way better than Eli

Ha! Incidentally -- how do PPF rankings compare?

which DST to you start, Detroit vs. Bears, or New England vs. Jets?

You would have benched him too. And I'm not even talking about his stats or overall play after the snap. I'm talking about his pre snap body language. This had to have been touched on in the game thread but I saw cutlet mouth the words "fuck me" or "oh fuck" during some audibles. Who does that? On numerous occasions cutler would yell out fuck me before changing the play at the line.

I don't care what his stats show. Cutler is a fucking mess out there.

In comment 12040455 Riggies said:

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There were some glorious messes over the years, from what I recall.

Don't even get me started on that shit. Cutler was insanely overrated based on nothing more than arm strength.

Give me the guy with intangibles over cutler any day.

In comment 12040521 SB said:

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which DST to you start, Detroit vs. Bears, or New England vs. Jets?

Pats. With extreme confidence.

In comment 12040533 djm said:

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You would have benched him too. And I'm not even talking about his stats or overall play after the snap. I'm talking about his pre snap body language. This had to have been touched on in the game thread but I saw cutlet mouth the words "fuck me" or "oh fuck" during some audibles. Who does that? On numerous occasions cutler would yell out fuck me before changing the play at the line. I don't care what his stats show. Cutler is a fucking mess out there.

Wow

In comment 12040536 djm said:

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In comment 12040455 Riggies said: Quote: There were some glorious messes over the years, from what I recall. Don't even get me started on that shit. Cutler was insanely overrated based on nothing more than arm strength. Give me the guy with intangibles over cutler any day.

So I guess you wouldn't have traded Eli for Cutler back in 2009?

Bonus 850+ posts on... I'm not really sure, to be honest.

Those old threads are hilarious.

In comment 12040368 AcidTest said:

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Cutler = Jeff George Part II.

Great comparrison

there is no doubt there are people that aren't huge Eli fans on this board, but even they have to look back and laugh at some of the names that he was compared to.

This is why QB is such a tough position to fill. Josh Freeman had a lot of upside. Matt Schaub was someone who he was compared to. There have been so many names that Eli has been compared to that have either stumbled or are out of the league now. It's funny.

In comment 12040575 Riggies said:

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In comment 12040536 djm said: Quote: In comment 12040455 Riggies said: Quote: There were some glorious messes over the years, from what I recall. Don't even get me started on that shit. Cutler was insanely overrated based on nothing more than arm strength. Give me the guy with intangibles over cutler any day. So I guess you wouldn't have traded Eli for Cutler back in 2009? Bonus 850+ posts on... I'm not really sure, to be honest.

Haha, figures Stan in LA would have traded Eli. One MORE thing he got wrong...

...and I still don't understand why some BBIers always had so much love for Cutler.

Stan
Dave in DC
JOMO
Milton
Rockythompson

Need we go on?

but i'm not understanding what any of that has to do with Eli.

But yeah us.... we're better than them.... oh wait, both teams are 5-9

Using cherry picked stats, while ignoring the ones that disproved his argument, almost became a parody by the time he was banned.

In comment 12040676 MetsAreBack said:

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but i'm not understanding what any of that has to do with Eli. But yeah us.... we're better than them.... oh wait, both teams are 5-9

Who said the Giants were better then them?

is like miscommunication central. It's like watching our o from last year.

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... hear he can really throw the pickle!

people questioning Eli's leadership qualities because he isn't firey or vocal. Man, I miss those days of people thinking that leadership = being loud.

and there must also be a certain amount of swagger involved...

Who would not want those offensive weapons? And yet Cutler has been terrible.

He's got two twin towers on the outside and a strong TE over the middle, and a pretty good RB.

mess they're in.
The entire offensive staff is toast and the blemish on Cutler's record is going to be hard to overcome as well.

In comment 12040805 bc4life said:

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and there must also be a certain amount of swagger involved...

What? Eli doesn't have that swagger? Child, please...

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prevalent.

Beyond Eli, who still gets complaints about his "lazed demeanor," look how much shit Tuck would take and did take until his end here, really.

In comment 12040461 mattlawson said:

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In comment 12040378 oipolloi said: Quote: Cutler is way better than Eli Ha! Incidentally -- how do PPF rankings compare?

Cutler is -16.2 and Eli is +4.0, in terms of their grading.

Cutler has not had a positively graded game since the second week of the season.

In comment 12041007 Riggies said:

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prevalent. Beyond Eli, who still gets complaints about his "lazed demeanor," look how much shit Tuck would take and did take until his end here, really. In comment 12040461 mattlawson said: Quote: In comment 12040378 oipolloi said: Quote: Cutler is way better than Eli Ha! Incidentally -- how do PPF rankings compare? Cutler is -16.2 and Eli is +4.0, in terms of their grading. Cutler has not had a positively graded game since the second week of the season.

Tuck didn't get shit for not being fiery though, he took it over being constantly injured. Eli's been graded on his facial expressions alone by some people.

In comment 12040368 AcidTest said:

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Cutler = Jeff George Part II.

yup, big arm, flashes of brilliance mixed in with a general indifference and bad attitude. introducing your starting QB for the washington redskins in 2015!!

At least here.

He was basically some weak willed fraudulent quitter because he made the mistake of not just speaking in LOUD cliches or yelling as much as Rolle or Pierce did.

ugh.

Mark Dominik �@MarkdominikESPN � 4m4 minutes ago
The reason Cutler benched.He has $16M injury guar in '16. 10M becomes fully guar 3rd day LY in '15. If a major injury then Bears on the hook

...and late in the season he was way more effective, a big reason why the 2011 defense played better down the stretch and in the playoffs.

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 5m5 minutes ago
#Jets are slated to have $41,415,680 in cap next year (Per OTC). With Cutler�s contract, Jets would still have 14th-most cap space (est)

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Mark Dominik ‏@MarkdominikESPN 12m12 minutes ago
The reason Cutler benched.He has $16M injury guar in '16. 10M becomes fully guar 3rd day LY in '15. If a major injury then Bears on the hook

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 12m12 minutes ago
After next season, a team can cut Jay Cutler with just $3m in dead money. After 2017 dead money of $2m. #NYJ

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 13m13 minutes ago
Cutler base salary next six years: $15.5, $16, $12.5, $13.5, $17.5, $19.2 (million) #NYJ
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Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 15m15 minutes ago
Cutler 47 TD/30 INT last 25 games. Geno 21 TD/33 INT last 28 games RT @TainoEric: fans are clamoring for a QB with more turnovers than Geno

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 19m19 minutes ago
Jay Cutler has thrown for 3,640 yards (in 14 games) this year. No #Jets QB has passed for more yards than that in a season in 15 years.

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 22m22 minutes ago
Vinny Testaverde threw 29 TDs in 1998. That�s the best season a #Jets QB has ever had. Cutler has 28 with two games still to play.

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 25m25 minutes ago
Cutler is having one of his worst yrs as a professional. He�s thrown 28 TDs. In the last 20 years, just 1 #Jets QB has thrown 28+ TD #NYJ

but his stats in no way indicate how he is playing.

Another classic example of how stats make someone look better than they really are.

Check out ESPN before Monday Night's game. Cutler is leaving simple throws out there. Then Gruden was killing him during the game.

He's playing sub par football for a guy with his experience.

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 6m6 minutes ago
Since Jay Cutler�s second year in the NFL, he has thrown 174 TDs. Jets QBs have thrown 134 in 18 additional games.

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 19m19 minutes ago
That $2m in dead cap space the #Jets would pay a cut-Cutler post-2016 is $2.8m more than #NYJ are paying Sanchez this year.

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 21m21 minutes ago
If #NYJ draft a young QB this year, let him play behind Cutler for two years, then cut Cutler. It would cost team $2m in dead cap #NYJ

Connor Hughes ‏@Connor_J_Hughes 22m22 minutes ago
Is Jay Cutler perfect? No. Does he have flaws? Absolutely. Would he be the best available QB & better than what #Jets have? 100 percent.

Not at all...Cutler is owed a fully guaranteed $15.5 million next year, the Bears only option is to trade Cutler this offseason if they want to move on from him. Chicago would absorb $19 million in dead money by releasing Cutler before 2016.

I think you meant 2015.....

They are basically stuck with him until after next year.....

When you watch him play, if he gets into a "rhythm", with no pressure, he looks like the greatest thing since the wheel.....but he has games like last week, and also against the Patriots, where he just looks like he is numb to his surroundings.....but more often than not, in big games, he looks like an accident waiting to happen......

The Bears have observed this guy themselves, over the years, and somehow still gave him that big contract....they have no one to blame but themselves....

In comment 12040442 HomerJones45 said:

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Cutler is an odd duck, but Trestman is a disaster. Don't forget to also kiss the ground Tom Coughlin walks on.

At this point, Gene is either trolling, or he sincerely doesn't realize what a caricature he's become.

In comment 12040443 Big Blue Blogger said:

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His salary is very high, but IIRC they can cut him with relatively little cap overhang. So it's not really that big a catastrophe - financially. The real problem is that they have to find another QB.

Next years hit (dead money) is $19,500,000.00! His salary is $16,500,000.00 (0's are for effect), so it seems it hurts less to trade him or keep him next year!
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In comment 12040676 MetsAreBack said:

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but i'm not understanding what any of that has to do with Eli. But yeah us.... we're better than them.... oh wait, both teams are 5-9

MAB, everything has to do with Eli.

In comment 12041498 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 12040442 HomerJones45 said: Quote: Cutler is an odd duck, but Trestman is a disaster. Don't forget to also kiss the ground Tom Coughlin walks on. At this point, Gene is either trolling, or he sincerely doesn't realize what a caricature he's become.

I'm a TC supporter, but he's fucking terrible.

in the ultimate leadership position. He can throw but he is a punk that nobody wants to play with.

Anyone who has watched the games, not just look at the stats after the fact, knows this. Now I'm not sure Claussen is any better, in fact hes probably worse. The Bears need a QB.

In comment 12040793 RC02XX said:

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people questioning Eli's leadership qualities because he isn't firey or vocal. Man, I miss those days of people thinking that leadership = being loud.

Herm Edwards would disagree with you. He said just today on ESPN, Eli Manning is not a leader because he never gets vocal. But he said you don't need to be a leader to win. Fucking putz. Steven A disagreed with him.

That one day in 1978 changed his whole life. Lucky son of a bitch.