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NFT: Mavs talking Rondo deal (Knicks also interested)

DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 8:19 am
Adrian Wojnarowski: The Dallas Mavericks are serious suitors for Rajon Rondo, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Houston's discussed Rondo deal with Boston too. Twitter @WojYahooNBA
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Boston's discussing Rondo trades on multiple fronts, but Mavericks are showing an increasing interest in deal for Rondo, sources tell Yahoo. Twitter @WojYahooNBA
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As part of package, the Mavericks are willing to give Boston a 2015 first-round pick with limited lottery protection, sources told Yahoo Sports. Before a deal is consummated, Dallas needs to confer with Rondo's agent, Bill Duffy, about the franchise's ability to re-sign him as a free agent in the summer. Those conversations wouldn't happen until an agreement is in place. Yahoo! Sports
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Marc Stein: ESPN sources say Celtics & Mavs in substantive discussions on deal that would send Rajon Rondo to Dallas for multiple picks/package of vets Twitter @ESPNSteinLine
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Marc Stein: Celtics ARE talking to other teams -- most notably Knicks and Kings -- but sources say most serious Rondo talks to date are with Mavericks Twitter @ESPNSteinLine


The Knicks just don't have much to offer. Just can't give up their 2015 1st for impending FA Rondo and don't have any other real assets.
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Amare has zero awareness  
Enzo : 12/18/2014 11:36 am : link
He might be the dumbest great player (or once great player) in the league.
wow  
Enzo : 12/18/2014 11:38 am : link
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Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone
So the Knicks could be without Carmelo, Amar'e, JR Smith, Shumpert and Bargnani tonight for a TNT game.

Chuck is going to have a ball.
A little curious  
EricNY33 : 12/18/2014 11:41 am : link
that the first game in Chicago since the FA Summer and Melo's not playing with knee soreness. We know it's a legitimate injury so he's not faking it, but it just seems weird he's not playing tonight.
Realgm.com has to be the worst forum on the plant  
nygiants16 : 12/18/2014 11:48 am : link
i have no idea why i still go over there...people on that site have already said Phil is finished and he should be fired because his plan has blown up...i mean really after 27 games its already over?
RE: I didnt say he wasnt.  
Audible : 12/18/2014 11:49 am : link
In comment 12041210 dep026 said:
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But Anthony Davis stat line has been just as impressive and he may be in the DPOY race as well.

Steph Curry's numbers are better and he plays on the best team. And Lebron's numbers have been as well.

He is definitely the start guard on the WC for the all-start team and playing at 1st team ALL NBA level. I just think the other 3 have been better.


I think Davis has been slightly better than Harden (emphasis on slightly), but the Pelicans are not going to make the playoffs and I can't see the voters giving out an MVP to a player on a lottery team.
RE: Realgm.com has to be the worst forum on the plant  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 11:50 am : link
In comment 12041264 nygiants16 said:
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i have no idea why i still go over there...people on that site have already said Phil is finished and he should be fired because his plan has blown up...i mean really after 27 games its already over?


Phire Phil?:)
Uconn vs Duke tonight  
nygiants16 : 12/18/2014 11:55 am : link
Okafor finally goes up against some legit size tonight...
The people  
EricNY33 : 12/18/2014 1:30 pm : link
who want to get rid of this regime already never understood it from the beginning. Do you think any of us enjoy losing? No, but we know the plan and are dealing with it. Now if next year comes and this team isn't improving then people can get up in arms. It's just too soon.
RE: Uconn vs Duke tonight  
EricNY33 : 12/18/2014 1:32 pm : link
In comment 12041278 nygiants16 said:
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Okafor finally goes up against some legit size tonight...


Who? Brimah?
Just out of curiousity as I don't want to read this thread....  
kmed : 12/18/2014 1:33 pm : link
but is anyone on bbi suggesting we move on from this regime already or are we referring to realgm? I just want to know who I have to ignore in the future. Thanks.
It's  
EricNY33 : 12/18/2014 1:34 pm : link
a RealGM thread. Not here. At least I haven't seen anyone say that here.
RE: Uconn vs Duke tonight  
Greg from LI : 12/18/2014 1:37 pm : link
In comment 12041278 nygiants16 said:
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Okafor finally goes up against some legit size tonight...


Yes, I'm sure that after beating Wisconsin in Madison that playing 4-3 UConn in Cameron will really scare Duke.

No one hates Duke more than I do, and I'd be thrilled to see them lose, but UConn is going to get smoked.
Whoever is upset is an idiot  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 1:38 pm : link
This plan is working out better than any of us could have hoped for. We knew we were banking on next years cap space/free agency. What we all thought would happen this year is that we'd be a solid, middle of the road team that isn't bad enough to tank but isn't good enough to do anything in the playoffs when we inevitably make it.

I was on record not liking this Tyson Chandler trade because I think Jose Calderon is an old overpaid PG, Shane Larkin is a backup PG at absolute best, and Dalembert is fucking awful. I'm now head over heels in love with the trade because there is no way we'd be this bad of a team with Tyson on it. That trade took us from a playoff team, to a lottery team. And we should be grateful for that.
the only problem with how this year is working out  
Greg from LI : 12/18/2014 1:41 pm : link
Is that there probably isn't a future superstar in this draft.Other than that, lose away!
RE: the only problem with how this year is working out  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12041522 Greg from LI said:
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Is that there probably isn't a future superstar in this draft.Other than that, lose away!


Who knows, no one thought Damian Lillard would turn into a star. Even if we can get a very good cost controlled player that will be great. This team already has a superstar and a ton of cap space. Just give us an above average starter at their respective position.
RE: Whoever is upset is an idiot  
EricNY33 : 12/18/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12041518 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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This plan is working out better than any of us could have hoped for. We knew we were banking on next years cap space/free agency. What we all thought would happen this year is that we'd be a solid, middle of the road team that isn't bad enough to tank but isn't good enough to do anything in the playoffs when we inevitably make it.

I was on record not liking this Tyson Chandler trade because I think Jose Calderon is an old overpaid PG, Shane Larkin is a backup PG at absolute best, and Dalembert is fucking awful. I'm now head over heels in love with the trade because there is no way we'd be this bad of a team with Tyson on it. That trade took us from a playoff team, to a lottery team. And we should be grateful for that.


I don't think Calderon is old or overpaid. I think that we're just seeing first hand how inconsequential the PG is in the Triangle offense. In a more traditional offense where the PG has more ball handling duties I think Calderon would be putting up better numbers and I also think we'd be a better team. This team just isn't a good fit for the Triangle.
Oh, no, I totally agree  
Greg from LI : 12/18/2014 1:45 pm : link
I'd love to see Okafor on the Knicks.
RE: Just out of curiousity as I don't want to read this thread....  
nygiants16 : 12/18/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12041505 kmed said:
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but is anyone on bbi suggesting we move on from this regime already or are we referring to realgm? I just want to know who I have to ignore in the future. Thanks.


Kmed its only realgm as far as i know havnt seen anyone here...

And when i said Okafor gets to go up against some size this game i was referring to the 20-20 game he had against Elon whose tallest player was 6'8"
AnotherGiantsFan  
steve in ky : 12/18/2014 1:46 pm : link
Lets just hope that Dolan isn't that idiot.

I do give him credit because to this point at least it appears he really has stepped out of the decision making process and completely turned it over to Phil.
RE: AnotherGiantsFan  
nygiants16 : 12/18/2014 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12041534 steve in ky said:
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Lets just hope that Dolan isn't that idiot.

I do give him credit because to this point at least it appears he really has stepped out of the decision making process and completely turned it over to Phil.


he has done it with the Rangers because he trusts Sather, if trusts Phil he will stay out of it, I hope...

The only thing that would suck horse cock  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 1:48 pm : link
Is if this draft class was 2013 bad where we end up with an Otto Porter as our top 5 pick. That would just be an absolute fucking soul crusher.

Eric, you can argue whether or not Jose Calderon is overpaid because of the cap spike that is going to happen, but the man is old. He's 33 years old and under contract until like 36-37.
He might trust Sather, but Lil' Jimmy also doesn't really care about  
Greg from LI : 12/18/2014 1:50 pm : link
hockey.
RE: He might trust Sather, but Lil' Jimmy also doesn't really care about  
steve in ky : 12/18/2014 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12041539 Greg from LI said:
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hockey.


Greg, I believe I read once where he actually grew up a big hockey fan (supposedly through his dad being a fan) and actually fancies himself much more knowledgeable about hockey than basketball which he never really followed as much growing up.
RE: RE: the only problem with how this year is working out  
EricNY33 : 12/18/2014 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12041526 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 12041522 Greg from LI said:


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Is that there probably isn't a future superstar in this draft.Other than that, lose away!



Who knows, no one thought Damian Lillard would turn into a star. Even if we can get a very good cost controlled player that will be great. This team already has a superstar and a ton of cap space. Just give us an above average starter at their respective position.


I think any of the prospective top 3 (Okafor, Muiday, Towns) all have the ability to be a superstar player. I also think we need to remember that certain players weren't picked as superstar players who now have become them. James Harden is one of those players. He went 3rd, but I don't think anyone saw him becoming this kind of player.

I think what I like about the top 3 here is they all have something that is elite. Okafor is already a polished low post scorer. Mudiay is an elite athlete. Towns is a really good defensive player. They all have an elite skill and that's something you want to build around.
Eric  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 2:04 pm : link
Stanley Johnson reminds of the kind of player you are talking about. Will be a hustle intangible player at first who will make the athletic plays, but can develop into a Kawhi Leonard/Jimmy Butler type of player.

Okafor has phenominal footwork for a guy his size. Real DMC like in that regard. Love the fact he's already 270+ as well.

Mudiay is a big PG that is athletically gifted and seems to actually play like a PG. The lack of that quick first step scares me a bit, but it's not the end of the world. Can be a real nice two way player.

Towns seems like a triangle big man.

I haven't had much time to watch much college ball. This is mostly off DraftExpress stuff I've watched. I don't think this class is 2013 bad.
Stanley  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 2:14 pm : link
Johnson will have a long NBA career and if he can continue working on his shot he has "3rd best player on a championship team" upside. That's not a knock, that's praise. A lot to like.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 2:15 pm : link
pretty confident Kmed is an intelligent person but in case I'm wrong, the Phire Phil comment was a joke.
RE: I'm  
dep026 : 12/18/2014 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12041589 DanMetroMan said:
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pretty confident Kmed is an intelligent person.


Dont put the house on it...
Some might even call me  
kmed : 12/18/2014 2:21 pm : link
a genius, but most of those people are in my head.
Best  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 2:23 pm : link
part about Johnson is he's got a great physique and loves playing defense/being physical. He has offense, this isn't some Shumpert type where it's 100% "projection" but there is a lot to build on. Johnson potentially could guard 2-4's
RE: Best  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12041605 DanMetroMan said:
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part about Johnson is he's got a great physique and loves playing defense/being physical. He has offense, this isn't some Shumpert type where it's 100% "projection" but there is a lot to build on. Johnson potentially could guard 2-4's


This.

It's not like this guy has no handles to get to the basket and can't make a jump shot right now. He has handles, he has a jump shot. He's just not a phenomenal ball handler with a knockdown jumper. He can easily improve in both, and he is known for his work ethic. I think he has the highest ceiling and highest floor.

It's amazing how he's 19 and carries 240+ pounds so easily. Just rock solid. Could add another 10 pounds in a blink of an eye.

Will start off as a hustle player who makes transition buckets and guards multiple positions. Could end up being a really good two way player.
Phil tweeted about the Chandler trade  
Anakim : 12/18/2014 3:04 pm : link
Responder to a Sheridan article
Carmelo ready to "shut it down?"...  
Mike in St. Louis : 12/18/2014 3:10 pm : link
from Newsday...

"Anthony's situation is a concern because it's been ongoing and there has been talk of him needing surgery to fix the problem. Neither the Knicks nor Anthony had ever said what his ailment is. But Anthony, who missed a game last week because of his knee, said he aggravated it Tuesday during the game against Dallas.

"I've had multiple people say kind of just shut it down or just take time off," Anthony said at Thursday's morning shootaround. "At the end of the day it's hard for me to just do that right now with what's happening with the team. So I'm just trying to be smart about it."

Anthony was asked what it's going to take for him to shut it down.

"I don't know, man," he said. "I take some days off, some days it feels like I can go. Some days it feels like I have everything. The other day it was sore in the first half. I didn't have no lift on my shot. In the second half my lift came back a little bit. It's going to be off and on like that."

Anthony said he would test it at shootaround and see how he feels before the game. If he sits, it will give him three days off. Anthony said the Knicks "shut me down" Wednesday and wouldn't let him take part in practice."

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Melo is 30+  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 3:16 pm : link
He could use a tune up. Doesn't sound like a major injury. Sounds like a getting older injury that surgery should help take care of. The only thing stopping Melo from doing it is because I don't think he's ever had surgery done before and is against it at all costs.

Shut him down, let him heal. Gives us an opportunity to tank while simultaneously giving our rookie HC the pass of the century for our shitty record. Let Melo be back at 95% next year, DFish with a year of coaching under his belt, and a top 5 pick and other FA signees added to the team.
Some perspective, Amar'e  
manh george : 12/18/2014 3:16 pm : link


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Tysons supposed to be a great defensive player, but they still sent double- and triple-teams at me, Stoudemire said. So thats kind of a compliment if you ask me. For a guy known for his defensive presence the team still sends a double-team. It shows the coaching staff still has a lot of respect for my inside game.


1) Teams sends a double-team at you because they can, given this Knicks team.

2) On the other hand, on defense, sending a double-team gets the defensive presence all the way up to one. If that.
Please, please, please  
kmed : 12/18/2014 3:28 pm : link
shut down Melo. Perfect scenario for the Knicks.
The NY sports  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 3:34 pm : link
media really caters to the lowest common denominator. The Knicks absolutely SUCKING this year is GOOD long term. Media narrative implying otherwise is comical
Shutting down Melo  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 3:42 pm : link
Will also surely increase trade value for a Shumpert, THJr, JR Smith type of player on this team. With Melo gone, someone is going to be given the green light to shoot. Get those garbage numbers inflated and trade them.
RE: The NY sports  
Deej : 12/18/2014 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12041746 DanMetroMan said:
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media really caters to the lowest common denominator. The Knicks absolutely SUCKING this year is GOOD long term. Media narrative implying otherwise is comical


Agree 100%. The media hates covering teams that lack the day-to-day drama of caring about wins and losses. So they're just pretending that the Knicks are a failure rather than rebuilding
..  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 5:01 pm : link
Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 1m1 minute ago

The Knicks, according to @WojYahooNBA, declined to be part of a three-way deal involving Rajon Rondo, who would not have been traded to NY.
engaged fans v NY sports media (especially Knicks media)  
PhilSimms15 : 12/18/2014 5:12 pm : link
Been a season ticket holder since 1986, and have many friends and relatives who are rapid Knick fans.

I can't find one who is disappointed with this season thus far. This was always going to be a rebuilding year and having one of the worst records in the league this year, is far superior to fighting for that last playoff slot.

Isaiah spent five years here fighting for a last playoff spot, that did not work out well.

Now, IMHO, the Knicks have an able leader in Phil Jax, should have a very high pick and have significant cap space over the next two years if handled correctly.

This might not add up to a title, but it will likely add up to a competitive team with title hopes.

I'll take it.
None of these teams really have much  
illmatic : 12/18/2014 5:31 pm : link
to offer in return for Rondo. Wright is decent and all but you're going to get Rondo for a guy like him and a late first round pick? When the Celtics already should have various high first rounders? Come on now. It would have to be some kind of three way deal. Even then, I doubt Wright, a late first rounder and whatever other small parts are thrown in are enough.
Rondo  
pjcas18 : 12/18/2014 5:34 pm : link
is a free agent after the season, so is there a track record of players (and I think Rondo is top 5 at his position when healthy), getting back better than what Dallas is offering?

I'd assume whoever he's traded to would have a stipulation they negotiate an extension with him first or I'd expect even less back.
Shutting Melo down would be a godsend  
oipolloi : 12/18/2014 5:37 pm : link
1. He has already gotten a taste of the triangle. Most of the guys currently in uniform will not be Knicks down the road, so developing chemistry with his current teammates is meaningless.

2. Amare and JR's numbers will go up, making it easier to trade them at the deadline, even if it is only for a second rounder. The higher JR's numbers are, the less likely he is to pick up his option.

3. No Melo all but guarantees a bottom three finish.



I think I'm going to be a more sane Knick fan tonight  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 5:52 pm : link
And watch the Duke vs UConn game so I salivate over a potential Knick as opposed to watching the Knicks get curb stomped on natty TV.

I really hope Melo doesn't play tonight.
rondo traded to dallas  
nygiants16 : 12/18/2014 6:04 pm : link
For wright crowder and nelson and 2 picks
Mavs are now a legitimate contender  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 6:07 pm : link
Which is cool. I have no problems with Dallas. Let Dirk get another chip.
Why on GOD's green Earth are people having to "talk" Melo into  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 12/18/2014 8:07 pm : link
shutting it down for the foreseeable future? Phil should just say "You're not playing anymore" and that should be the end of it. Playing on a bum knee for a shit team makes no sense.

I can stomach a bad season like this, but I cannot stomach watching Melo look like STAT for the rest of his contract because he tried to push through a knee injury.
RE: Why on GOD's green Earth are people having to  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 10:30 pm : link
In comment 12042037 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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shutting it down for the foreseeable future? Phil should just say "You're not playing anymore" and that should be the end of it. Playing on a bum knee for a shit team makes no sense.

I can stomach a bad season like this, but I cannot stomach watching Melo look like STAT for the rest of his contract because he tried to push through a knee injury.


As much as I love Melo, he is notorious for exaggerating injury situations. I'm not saying the injury isn't serious, but he always makes sure to let the media know that he's really hurt and that he's muscling through it. He always wants to look like a hero.
RE: Why on GOD's green Earth are people having to  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 10:50 pm : link
In comment 12042037 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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shutting it down for the foreseeable future? Phil should just say "You're not playing anymore" and that should be the end of it. Playing on a bum knee for a shit team makes no sense.

I can stomach a bad season like this, but I cannot stomach watching Melo look like STAT for the rest of his contract because he tried to push through a knee injury.


Hall of fame resume takes a hit if you wipe out a "full" season as does his final "record". He's already 41st all-time in scoring
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