NFT: Mavs talking Rondo deal (Knicks also interested)

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Beck reporting the Knicks are "open for business" with everyone but Melo on the block.

The Knicks, according to a league source, have been “very active” working the phones since Dec. 15, the date at which free agents can be traded.

When thinking about trades and the Knicks, it’s worth noting that Phil Jackson said earlier this month that he’d only consider trading for a player that was a good long-term fit for the organization.
It’s also worth wondering what the Knicks would be able to give up for Rondo. The Dallas Mavericks, according to Stein's report, are talking to Boston about a package that includes multiple picks, including at least one first-rounder, and young big man Brandan Wright.

The Knicks’ earliest first-round pick that can be included in a trade is 2018, and, judging by the way the roster has performed, the trade values of players currently on the roster aren’t exactly at an all-time high these days.

If the Knicks traded for Rondo, it would likely be with the assurance that he’d sign a long-term contract with them. That development, obviously, would eat up a significant portion of their 2015 cap space.


(That's right, the Knicks can't even include their 2015 pick)

the return for Rondo sounds really underwhelming.

In comment 12040791 Deej said:

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the return for Rondo sounds really underwhelming.

Wright and picks including a 2015 pick blows away anything the Knicks can offer. Wright is very, very underrated. 26.19 PER. just turned 27. I'd trade anyone on the Knicks not named Melo for Wright in a millisecond.

8.8 points 4.1 boards 1.6 blocks in 19 minutes per on 75% from the field (no not a typo), PER 26.19. Career 21 PER. Stands to reason on another team he can be at least a 25 minute guy giving you 11+ 6+ 2+ blocks

so there's risk in making him the centerpiece of your return on Rondo. That said, is the current version of Rondo even worth a huge return?

Tim Hardaway Jr. and a 2018 pick is the best the Knicks can offer. The Mavs can offer Wright and a 2015 pick and the Celtics were said to be holding out for "at least one more significant player or pick". Just don't see any possible way the Knicks land Rondo via trade.

Him and Kobe had lunch together! LOLZ

Rondo, while maintaining that his preference is to continue his career in Boston, has left little doubt in recent months that he intends to test the market as a free agent in July as opposed to signing an extension with the Celtics. However, sources say that Dallas, amid growing concern about its point guard play and sensing the opportunity to acquire a top-flight player it has coveted for some time, is confident it could win over Rondo for the long term if trade terms can be finalized with the Celtics.

In comment 12040800 Enzo said:

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so there's risk in making him the centerpiece of your return on Rondo. That said, is the current version of Rondo even worth a huge return?

Crappy FA market likely helps the Celtics here + parity makes teams try and be a bit more aggressive.

the Knicks don't have enough for Rondo can Phil PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE help the Mavs land Rondo (and the Knicks dump JR Smith) with the Knicks taking back Felton? I just want to see BBI explode on Felton 3.0 lol

i mean a deal headlined by Wright is not all that impressive. I dont mind wright and he has seemed to continue to improve, but you see guys like him with great stats in limited minutes against other teams second unit struggle when givin a starter role. Im not trying to crap on Wright, but him and a late first would not excite me at all if i was BOS.

ANd im not saying a Knick offer would be better, im just saying that im not that impressed with the Mavs offer.

that BOS would want a team to take back Wallace, but it would be near impossible for DAL to match that much salary without trading like 6 guys.

In comment 12040814 Italianju said:

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i mean a deal headlined by Wright is not all that impressive. I dont mind wright and he has seemed to continue to improve, but you see guys like him with great stats in limited minutes against other teams second unit struggle when givin a starter role. Im not trying to crap on Wright, but him and a late first would not excite me at all if i was BOS. ANd im not saying a Knick offer would be better, im just saying that im not that impressed with the Mavs offer.

agreed. Probably a combination of many teams simply having better situations at PG, Rondo having a somewhat "unique" skill set (even at his peak), and the uncertainty regarding just how good he is at this point.

especially not this year when its better for us to suck at this point, but the knicks would have the advantage of being able to take back contracts like Green/Wallace. Sure it would push back our FA push until after next season, but if you thought Rondo was worth it (i dont to be honest, but im not Phil Jackson) that wouldnt be the worst thing.

aggressively trying to move guys. No idea who has any value at all, but its good to know Phil is trying. I think Shumpert has value, but he hasnt been great and is hurt. Same story for JR but he is also older and more costly. I really think Amare would have value to a lot of contenders, but his contract combined with us not wanting to lose cap space would make him really hard to move. Calderson, Ja. Smith, Dalembert, pablo, all prolly have some value, but im sure its not much.

where you can trade a guy yet keep some of his cap hit on your books in order to make the trade work. For example, Amare's cap number is so high it's nearly impossible to find a team that could take him without stripping their team of several useful players. But why not make it so you can trade a $20 million player for a guy making $10 million and keep the rest of the cap hit on your books? It's not like this provides any advantage to big market teams.

Obviously I'd love to be able to trade him for selfish reasons and get something decent in return, but isn't the league better off having guys like Amare or Joe Johnson able to join contenders for playoff runs? Maybe all of this cap nonsense will be a memory after the next round of labor armageddon in two years.

the very least we should have some different (even if equally crappy) players to watch at some point this season. Even 2nd round picks would be some value to us.

The Knicks should absolutely be involved.

that not many teams can is massive cap relief, so it depends what the celtics want...do they want a bunch of picks in the late 20's or do they want the cap relief from their contracts..so for example the Knicks can offer

Stoudemire, THJR, Shump and Larkin for Rondo Green Wallace

That cuts off 20 million off of their salary cap next year...that is a big cut...

But if the Knicks are not able to trade for a monroe or Rondo i would be looking to acquire as many picks in this years draft as possible, 2nd round or 1st round..if the plan is to make a splash in free agency, you need to acquire some cheap young players to fill out the roster...

In comment 12040873 DanMetroMan said:

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Even 2nd round picks would be some value to us.

until we unload them in order to save Dolan a few million.

Rondo can be 1/3 of a big 3, with Rondo making the max? If so, you gotta make the move. Carmelo + Rondo makes it a lot more likely to get another premiere FA than Carmelo + cap space.

guy we should 100% target in the off-season
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be Corey Brewer, because just about every contender despartely needs him.

Cavs - Start over Marion, eat into Lebrons minutes
Clippers - Becomes your starting 3 right off the bat.
Bulls - Starts at 3, gives them 2 excellent wing defenders.


Along with the likes of OKC, Toronto, etc...

WOW.

Earl Barron averaged 31.9 points on .571 shooting (40-for-70), to go along with 12.0 rebounds and 1.0 steal.

In comment 12040903 Metnut said:

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Rondo can be 1/3 of a big 3, with Rondo making the max? If so, you gotta make the move. Carmelo + Rondo makes it a lot more likely to get another premiere FA than Carmelo + cap space.

it all depends on how the deal is worked...if the Knicks are giving the celtics cap relief then the Knciks may only have around 7 or 8 million to spend unless they can dump Calderon then they would have around 15 million...

The 3rd star may not be able to be signed until the following off season...

If the plan is to get Rondo i hope he is not traded and the Knicks can sign him in the off season then the Knicks can continue to tank and get a top pick and add that player to Melo and Rondo then you have a young superstar on a cheap deal which would help acquire another star...

That is the huge benefit to tanking you can potentially have 4 very good players on this team in the next year if the top pick pans out...

would be gold. The issue is that we'd have to take back salary that's going to effect next years FA moves.

they've been running around in circles since 2000 acquiring guys like Antonio McDyess, Stephon Marbury, Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Amare, & Melo. They're just throwing darts against the wall, there is no plan.

I used to defend Donnie Walsh, but he had no plan either. He created cap room and once he couldn't land any of the top dogs, he wasted it on a banged up Amare (who I like, but wasn't a good signing). The players above all would work under the right enviorment (see Randolpoh), but it's just such a mess with this franchise.

I never liked JR, I knew he would implode...sure enough everyone wants him gone now. They had a very good 2012, they made a lot of three point shots and had an excellent shooting year. For all that, they still got eliminated in the second round of the playoffs.

How about accumulating assets and building this team the right way? Melo was dumb to re-sign here and it would be best for BOTH parties if a trade was explored. Rondo is not putting this team into title contention, he will put them, maybe in a 42-48 win range.

And for all the Knicks fans who say this is just a 'throw away' year, the last 15 years have been a fucking throw away year with the exception of 11 & 12.

if the Knicks were able to trade their pending lottery pick for Rondo, would you do it? Assume no other bad contracts would be coming back and Rondo re-signs for the max.

not.

In comment 12040932 Sean said:

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they've been running around in circles since 2000 acquiring guys like Antonio McDyess, Stephon Marbury, Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Amare, & Melo. They're just throwing darts against the wall, there is no plan. I used to defend Donnie Walsh, but he had no plan either. He created cap room and once he couldn't land any of the top dogs, he wasted it on a banged up Amare (who I like, but wasn't a good signing). The players above all would work under the right enviorment (see Randolpoh), but it's just such a mess with this franchise. I never liked JR, I knew he would implode...sure enough everyone wants him gone now. They had a very good 2012, they made a lot of three point shots and had an excellent shooting year. For all that, they still got eliminated in the second round of the playoffs. How about accumulating assets and building this team the right way? Melo was dumb to re-sign here and it would be best for BOTH parties if a trade was explored. Rondo is not putting this team into title contention, he will put them, maybe in a 42-48 win range. And for all the Knicks fans who say this is just a 'throw away' year, the last 15 years have been a fucking throw away year with the exception of 11 & 12.

Knicks Future has never looked brighter...Top pick coming, a ton of cap space and a star already in place..

Seven-foot center Miroslav Raduljica is expected to become available in free agency within the next one-to-two weeks depending on a buyout settlement with Shandong of the Chinese Basketball Association, sources told RealGM.

Raduljica has received interest from several NBA teams for a midseason acquisition, sources said, but no deal would take place before the Jan. 10 date for contract guarantees around the league.

In comment 12040949 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12040932 Sean said: Quote: they've been running around in circles since 2000 acquiring guys like Antonio McDyess, Stephon Marbury, Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Amare, & Melo. They're just throwing darts against the wall, there is no plan. I used to defend Donnie Walsh, but he had no plan either. He created cap room and once he couldn't land any of the top dogs, he wasted it on a banged up Amare (who I like, but wasn't a good signing). The players above all would work under the right enviorment (see Randolpoh), but it's just such a mess with this franchise. I never liked JR, I knew he would implode...sure enough everyone wants him gone now. They had a very good 2012, they made a lot of three point shots and had an excellent shooting year. For all that, they still got eliminated in the second round of the playoffs. How about accumulating assets and building this team the right way? Melo was dumb to re-sign here and it would be best for BOTH parties if a trade was explored. Rondo is not putting this team into title contention, he will put them, maybe in a 42-48 win range. And for all the Knicks fans who say this is just a 'throw away' year, the last 15 years have been a fucking throw away year with the exception of 11 & 12. Knicks Future has never looked brighter...Top pick coming, a ton of cap space and a star already in place..

trading any picks for Rondo would be a huge mistake. I hope Phil sticks to the plan.

Facing the basket, Raduljica did not appear to be incredibly consistent with his jump-shot from the tape we evaluated, but looked to be quite a bit more effective in the live games we were at, knocking down a number of jumpers from both inside and outside the arc, and looking very comfortable hitting shots consistently when we observed him in warm-ups. The fact that he sports solid mechanics, has very good touch and shoots 77% from the free throw line indicates that he should have no problem developing into a solid catch and shoot mid-range threat in the NBA.

Raduljica is a lot more skilled than the typical 6-11 center you’ll find at the college ranks, as not only can he score facing or with his back to the basket, and is a very creative passer, but he’s also an above average ball-handler. We saw him put the ball on the floor and create his own shot on a couple of occasions, getting to the rim off a couple of dribbles and still having the body control to finish effectively. These are not easy moves to make for a player his size to make.

Defensively is where Raduljica might have the most question marks regarding his NBA potential. He gives up position too easily at times in the low post, and doesn’t always fight as hard as you might hope to keep his man off the block, possibly to avoid foul trouble. He doesn’t rotate all that well from the weak-side to protect the paint either, not being much of a shot-blocker at all due to his lack of explosiveness, and shows just average awareness, intensity and hustle on this end of the floor.

Seeing heavy minutes alongside similarly sized center Peja Samardziski, Raduljica’s lateral quickness doesn’t appear to be anything special out on the perimeter, often looking heavy footed and at times a bit disinterested, which probably will become more of an issue in today’s pick and roll heavy NBA.

Just an average rebounder, Raduljica is capable of going out and grabbing the boards that are in his immediate area, but he’s not intense or explosive enough to go out of his area for the most part. This is something that he must improve on if he wants to become a legit rotation player in the NBA, as he won’t be anywhere as much of an offensive option as he currently is for FMP.

Off the court, Raduljica is reportedly a very intelligent person and is often described as a book worm by those that have been around him the most.

All in all, Raduljica displays many intriguing characteristics at his size that are increasingly difficult to find in college basketball, making him a fairly interesting draft prospect that should certainly get some looks from NBA teams drafting in the latter part of the first round. Concerns about his interest level in playing in the NBA and whether or not he’ll even come over if locked into an unattractive salary slot will likely drop him a bit further that, but considering the premium NBA teams put on size and the amount of money that is thrown at middling backup centers, Raduljica has to be viewed as a pretty attractive option early in the second round.

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In comment 12040904 DanMetroMan said:

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When did Queen Amidala start playing basketball?

sounds like a guy Phil might have interest in. Good passer, intelligent.

trade a pick until 2018 if the Knicks were to get him I'd assume it would be in a 3 team deal with another team sending them a draft pick.

I think the Knicks need to stay the course and continue the road to a top 3 pick. It will be a major asset with cap space and a star in place.

I just wish the media would stop calling this season a disaster and not look at the big picture of the position this team could be in during the offseason.

This kind of embarassing press is what makes Dolan do crazy things.

Calderon and JR gone. Clear the books Phil and completely tank. Where is a realistic destination for Calderon? Is he even tradeable at this point?

Cuban really fleeced the Zen Master on the Chandler trade. Not only did he not get back any valuable players or picks, he hurt the teams cap for an additional 2 years.

In comment 12040984 River Vale NJ Fan said:

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I think the Knicks need to stay the course and continue the road to a top 3 pick. It will be a major asset with cap space and a star in place. I just wish the media would stop calling this season a disaster and not look at the big picture of the position this team could be in during the offseason. This kind of embarassing press is what makes Dolan do crazy things.

they can't help themselves. They'd rather the team goes 41-41 and plays 4-5 playoff games rather than tank/rebuild. But then come the summer they'll write how they'd have been better off rebuilding.

This offseason's cap room is also being highly overblown. The knicks will probably only have about 20 mill in cap room. If they can dump JR and Calderon then that clears another 13 mill. Given the state of this roster, 20 mill in cap room isn't cutting it.

can't imagine many people would be pro "trade the 2015 pick" to land Rondo if that were an option. Whether you LOVE the top 3 in this draft or not, there is still a shot one (or all 3) become young, cheap superstars. Rondo will not be young, or cheap. Further a young, cheap top 5 talent is a major trade chip if a superstar becomes available.

In comment 12040995 TyreeHelmet said:

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This offseason's cap room is also being highly overblown. The knicks will probably only have about 20 mill in cap room. If they can dump JR and Calderon then that clears another 13 mill. Given the state of this roster, 20 mill in cap room isn't cutting it.

$20 million puts you in play for Monroe and maybe one other decent piece. I'll take it.

In comment 12040994 Enzo said:

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In comment 12040984 River Vale NJ Fan said: Quote: I think the Knicks need to stay the course and continue the road to a top 3 pick. It will be a major asset with cap space and a star in place. I just wish the media would stop calling this season a disaster and not look at the big picture of the position this team could be in during the offseason. This kind of embarassing press is what makes Dolan do crazy things. they can't help themselves. They'd rather the team goes 41-41 and plays 4-5 playoff games rather than tank/rebuild. But then come the summer they'll write how they'd have been better off rebuilding.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but why wouldn't they consider trading for Rondo though? It's a long shot to begin with because I can't believe the Celtics are excited about trading him to the Knicks of all teams. Not to mention we don't have much to offer anyway. However, they did just sign a 30 year old to a 6 year deal and I am sure they'd like to surround him with talent while he's still in his prime.

In comment 12040996 DanMetroMan said:

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can't imagine many people would be pro "trade the 2015 pick" to land Rondo if that were an option. Whether you LOVE the top 3 in this draft or not, there is still a shot one (or all 3) become young, cheap superstars. Rondo will not be young, or cheap. Further a young, cheap top 5 talent is a major trade chip if a superstar becomes available.

Not a chance in Hell I'd trade the 2015 pick if we could. No chance whatsoever.

the outside chance a Kevin Durant type ever becomes available you need to nail a high lottery pick.

Leaving aside the fact that Wright is a UFA, he's a guy who I just dont trust the advanced stats on. His PERs ave been 17.2, 18.7, 15.9, 16.2, 15.5, 21.6, 21, 23.5, and 26.1. For a center, that is occasional all star type production (especially the dallas years).

So why did GSW give up on him (traded for a fading Troy Murphy). Why has no coach ever seen fit to give him as many as 19 minutes per game in any season (about why NYK gave Novak)? Why was he getting less run than Dalembert, Kaman, and Brand in Dallas? I honestly dont know, but I think you need to take his efficiency #s with a HUGE grain of salt -- his career WS/48 exceeds that of Rondo, KG, Kobe, Dwight, both Gasols, Nash, Pierce, Bosh... and Hakeem, Dr. J, McHale, Moses Malone, Clyde, Ewing and Pippen.

Monroe and another decent player makes this roster a good team? The knicks are so far away its crazy. Monroe, Melo, Hardaway and Calderon are all really bad defenders.

which player on the Knicks has more value than Wright and his POTENTIAL ability to perform with more minutes AND the Mav's 2015 pick vs. the Knicks 2018 pick? Coaches make mistakes all the time.