It appears Coach Coughlin does not want to play Corey Washington in the offense because his special teams play is not good enough.
I thought it was some stupid reason like he cannot get off the line, or he runs bad routes, or he drops the ball too much in practice.
I am reassured it is for a much better reason.
I don't know how Eli gets on the field at all these last 10 years, I hear his ST play stinks.
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or calling Coughlin "stubborn" and "too conservative" clearly know very little about football, coaching, or leadership in general and have embarrassed themselves time after time and will continue to do so.
Give me one example of Coughlin not playing someone simply because they were a rookie.
To be fair, it took an injury to a journeyman WR they picked up off the street and a blown out knee from Hixon to give Cruz a chance before they were about to cut him (and don't give me the technicality he wasn't a rookie). It was his first year.
Danny, again you (conveniently) forget how bad a training camp and preseason Cruz had in 2011. He barely made the roster and a lot of people (including many of the experts on BBI - some rearing their air-filled heads again on this thread) thought he was a flash-in-the-pan mirage from the year before.
So that was a swing and a miss by you.
How is that a swing and a miss? You asked for an example and I gave you one. You just don't want to hear it. Just make your point then and don't ask for examples to the contrary.
Because your example made no sense lol! You cited a 2nd year player (yes, I get it, it was technically his first full season) and the reason he did not play right away was because he had a horrible camp and preseason and did not EARN the right to play over the guys who were performing better than him at the time.
Again, you CONVENIENTLY FORGET that in that opening game against Washington, he WAS the slot receiver and dropped a wide open 3rd down pass which prompted the Giants to sign Brandon Stokely the following year.
You've done a very poor job defending your argument and made yourself look pretty bad in the process (no offense). If that's the best example you can provide, I think it proves my point pretty clearly lol.
Ah, I get it now. You're not looking to have a real discussion, you're just here to be a douchebag (no offense). Carry on.
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or calling Coughlin "stubborn" and "too conservative" clearly know very little about football, coaching, or leadership in general and have embarrassed themselves time after time and will continue to do so.
Give me one example of Coughlin not playing someone simply because they were a rookie.
To be fair, it took an injury to a journeyman WR they picked up off the street and a blown out knee from Hixon to give Cruz a chance before they were about to cut him (and don't give me the technicality he wasn't a rookie). It was his first year.
Danny, again you (conveniently) forget how bad a training camp and preseason Cruz had in 2011. He barely made the roster and a lot of people (including many of the experts on BBI - some rearing their air-filled heads again on this thread) thought he was a flash-in-the-pan mirage from the year before.
So that was a swing and a miss by you.
How is that a swing and a miss? You asked for an example and I gave you one. You just don't want to hear it. Just make your point then and don't ask for examples to the contrary.
Because your example made no sense lol! You cited a 2nd year player (yes, I get it, it was technically his first full season) and the reason he did not play right away was because he had a horrible camp and preseason and did not EARN the right to play over the guys who were performing better than him at the time.
Again, you CONVENIENTLY FORGET that in that opening game against Washington, he WAS the slot receiver and dropped a wide open 3rd down pass which prompted the Giants to sign Brandon Stokely the following year.
You've done a very poor job defending your argument and made yourself look pretty bad in the process (no offense). If that's the best example you can provide, I think it proves my point pretty clearly lol.
Ah, I get it now. You're not looking to have a real discussion, you're just here to be a douchebag (no offense). Carry on.
Dude, nothing personal, but I asked the board to provide one example of Coughlin not playing a rookie simply because they were a rookie and the "example" you gave wasn't even a rookie. Moreover, it was devoid of any key facts that support your claim, in fact, what's more embarrassing is that that the player you mentioned was given opportunities in WEEK 1 of that season. I'm not trying to be a douchebag but you embarrassed yourself on here by making a statement without thinking it through. I am sure people who are reading this thread are laughing at you and your "example". I know I am.
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or calling Coughlin "stubborn" and "too conservative" clearly know very little about football, coaching, or leadership in general and have embarrassed themselves time after time and will continue to do so.
Give me one example of Coughlin not playing someone simply because they were a rookie.
To be fair, it took an injury to a journeyman WR they picked up off the street and a blown out knee from Hixon to give Cruz a chance before they were about to cut him (and don't give me the technicality he wasn't a rookie). It was his first year.
Danny, again you (conveniently) forget how bad a training camp and preseason Cruz had in 2011. He barely made the roster and a lot of people (including many of the experts on BBI - some rearing their air-filled heads again on this thread) thought he was a flash-in-the-pan mirage from the year before.
So that was a swing and a miss by you.
How is that a swing and a miss? You asked for an example and I gave you one. You just don't want to hear it. Just make your point then and don't ask for examples to the contrary.
Because your example made no sense lol! You cited a 2nd year player (yes, I get it, it was technically his first full season) and the reason he did not play right away was because he had a horrible camp and preseason and did not EARN the right to play over the guys who were performing better than him at the time.
Again, you CONVENIENTLY FORGET that in that opening game against Washington, he WAS the slot receiver and dropped a wide open 3rd down pass which prompted the Giants to sign Brandon Stokely the following year.
You've done a very poor job defending your argument and made yourself look pretty bad in the process (no offense). If that's the best example you can provide, I think it proves my point pretty clearly lol.
Ah, I get it now. You're not looking to have a real discussion, you're just here to be a douchebag (no offense). Carry on.
Dude, nothing personal, but I asked the board to provide one example of Coughlin not playing a rookie simply because they were a rookie and the "example" you gave wasn't even a rookie. Moreover, it was devoid of any key facts that support your claim, in fact, what's more embarrassing is that that the player you mentioned was given opportunities in WEEK 1 of that season. I'm not trying to be a douchebag but you embarrassed yourself on here by making a statement without thinking it through. I am sure people who are reading this thread are laughing at you and your "example". I know I am.
Cool.
Wilson didn't play because HE DIDN'T KNOW THE PLAYBOOK! Jerrold Ingram said so publicly.
Victor this is NOT TRUE.
So just because Tom didn't point to any particular WR play weaknesses, that does not mean he doesn't see any in Corey.
Special teams is about imposing your will. To excel you have to want to carry out your assignment more than your opponent wants to stop you. if you can do that consistently you can be trusted to fight through traffic to get to your assignment on a route rather than take the long way around and hang your quarterback out to dry. Running pretty routes in your underwear in practice doesn't help a bit when the "bullets are flying". When you saw Jesse Armstead play special teams, you knew he was going to be a star some day.
1. Randle, Parker, and Ogletree don't scare anyone.
2. Cruz is a ? for next year.
3. What impressed me about CW in the preseason was not the touchdowns. It was that he caught the high pass. Barden was tall, but he couldn't catch balls higher than his shoulders. CW can.
4. I would rather find out now if he is any good or not. Not after 3 years like we do with so many of our receivers.
This is your problem...YOU want to find out now if CW can play. But Tom already knows this from watching him in practice sessions and in meetings where he gets to see CW play every week and you don't. So clearly Tom gets to see more of CW's play than any of us yet YOU have to see it during a game regardless if the coach thinks he's ready or not! LOL!
Doesn't stop him from playing Eli :)
I know. You can see why. When you have veterans like Beckham, Williams, Richburg, Kennard why play a rookie?
Granted he did attend that football factory at Newberry so he should be immediately beating out 3 and 4 year vets because, because he's tall.
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The problem is that rookies make mistakes. And Coughlin has no patience for rookie mistakes.
I know. You can see why. When you have veterans like Beckham, Williams, Richburg, Kennard why play a rookie?
LOL! Good one Victor!
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But there are some things I do know:
1. Randle, Parker, and Ogletree don't scare anyone.
2. Cruz is a ? for next year.
3. What impressed me about CW in the preseason was not the touchdowns. It was that he caught the high pass. Barden was tall, but he couldn't catch balls higher than his shoulders. CW can.
4. I would rather find out now if he is any good or not. Not after 3 years like we do with so many of our receivers.
This is your problem...YOU want to find out now if CW can play. But Tom already knows this from watching him in practice sessions and in meetings where he gets to see CW play every week and you don't. So clearly Tom gets to see more of CW's play than any of us yet YOU have to see it during a game regardless if the coach thinks he's ready or not! LOL!
Yes, Tom knows from all this. That's why he started Kiwanuka game after game. He's all knowing and infallible.
Kurt Warner had 6 td passes in 9 games. He wasn't exactly lighting it up.
Kurt Warner had 6 td passes in 9 games. He wasn't exactly lighting it up.
I was referring to the rookie mistakes that Eli still makes
He didnt have a choice to play those rookies.
Special teams is about imposing your will. To excel you have to want to carry out your assignment more than your opponent wants to stop you. if you can do that consistently you can be trusted to fight through traffic to get to your assignment on a route rather than take the long way around and hang your quarterback out to dry. Running pretty routes in your underwear in practice doesn't help a bit when the "bullets are flying". When you saw Jesse Armstead play special teams, you knew he was going to be a star some day.
Best post of the thread. The OP knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
or
In that corner: a bunch of fans who scout from their armchairs.
Tough choice
Same bargain injured guys.
Draft doesnt matter because
coaches suck. Gilbride says
this O isnt for Eli. Not mobile.
Mara has to fire whole staff
but won't so don't get excited.
If he extends Tc..2 to 3 more
years cause he won't fire him
and pay.
and WR coach?
or
In that corner: a bunch of fans who scout from their armchairs.
Tough choice
Yeah, let's just shut down this board. And instead we can spend all day kissing Tom Coughlin's ass and watching him walk on water.
and WR coach?
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Talks of not learning, yet still hasn't mastered either line breaks nor not being a racist.
Not being good on special teams absolutely will prevent you from getting a uniform on Sundays. You only get to hand out 45 of them, and special teams are 1/3 of the game, but Washington has been dressing the last several weeks, so I fail to see what his special teams play has to do with his play time on offense.
I really think this reporter just was not paying close enough attention to the meaning of Coughlin's words.
Not being good on special teams absolutely will prevent you from getting a uniform on Sundays. You only get to hand out 45 of them, and special teams are 1/3 of the game, but Washington has been dressing the last several weeks, so I fail to see what his special teams play has to do with his play time on offense.
I really think this reporter just was not paying close enough attention to the meaning of Coughlin's words.
That's possible, the reporter is Graziano, The Pineapple. However, Washington is currently I believe the 5th WR so either he needs to do better in practice to move up the depth chart or needs to perform better at ST to be rewarded. It sounds like TC is not displeased with his practise at WR but not enough to be promoted. Hence, "he needs to get better at his job" which currently is ST.
Best comment on the whole thread.
Quinn must do a hell of job coaching during practice.
For all team sport coaches, it's always a difficult balancing act; giving playing time to developmental players vs being fair to the rest of the team (they want to win). Washington has been given offensive snaps in all but one game. If published stats I've seen are correct, he has had 8 targets with 5 receptions. IIRC one of those balls he could not bring in was a fade in the end zone.
A couple things...
First, let's not make Washington out to be some sort of star that is being kept off the field... IF he was showing up in practice enough to unseat the guys in front of him... He'd be playing.
Secondly... The inactive list has written itself due to injuries pretty much all season... So I'd bet there were times when he got a shirt by default.
I hope he turns the corner next year and can become a good find for us. But between Donnell, Randle and OBJ we're not devoid of endzone fade candidates. Just coz Washington caught a ton of fades in the preseason against guys presently in the arena league doesn't mean he's the next Victor Cruz.
Cruz was an UDFA. You think Randle is better than him?
If Washington hadn't (yet) dedicated or distinguished himself to/on special teams, why should he be entrusted in becoming an integral part of the offense?
The answer is, of course, he should't. But don't let that stand in the way of the good (and predictable) anti-Coughlin rhetoric.
"He doesn't play young players," being one.
Even if we get steamrolled, many here will still want TC retained. This is now a BIG joke!! The problem is simple, some people get older and think their smarter than others. Hence, they become totally stubborn. If the reason is true not allowing Washington to showcase himself, is just one more example why he should be fired
Wake up call to Coughlin your special teams has never been that good so the person you should bench is your ST's coordinator.
Not so Bill. I rarely hear a poster blame that on anyone but Coughlin. (Right where the blame belongs.)