Has Giants taking OT Andrus Peat of Stanford #8 overall. I like the idea of an OL with the pick, but can't comment on Peat. Haven't seen any Stanford games this year. Can Sy56 or anyone else provide some color? SI Mock Draft - ( New Window )
He submitted his name to the draft committee for a recommendation. Doesn't mean he'll come out though.
Good to know. I like his feet and athleticism, but wish he had more of a mean streak. Wouldn't throw the remote though. Protecting Eli is priority #1 and this OL still needs new blood.
I have seen so far. I think he is the only guy I would say for sure has "Blue Goose" capability at LT. I have seen Stanley (Notre Dame) but have not scouted him yet (major difference) so I can't give Peat the #1 spot yet. Collins (LSU) is close behind.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
I have seen so far. I think he is the only guy I would say for sure has "Blue Goose" capability at LT. I have seen Stanley (Notre Dame) but have not scouted him yet (major difference) so I can't give Peat the #1 spot yet. Collins (LSU) is close behind.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
...it will be difficult to question the organization's commitment to that part of the lineup, considering the allocation of resources:
- A top-fifteen (probably top-ten) pick in 2015;
- The #43 pick in 2014;
- The #19 pick in 2013;
- A highly-paid 2013 UFA, who was also their own #60 pick in 2009;
- A well-paid 2014 UFA.
- A moderately-paid 2014 UFA.
Reese and Ross can fairly be criticized for letting the excellent 2008 line get old without an adequate succession plan; but they might only be one acquisition away from completing a full rebuild.
not to play the role of Mr. Dickhead, but what were your thoughts on Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson, Jake Matthews, etc?
I ask, not as an indictment of you, but because they were pretty much all labeled can't miss OL prospects by nearly everyone.
All in their second season (except Matthews) have struggled terribly.
I like the sound of what you write, but I still feel like taking an OL in the top 10 at the expense of a supremely talented skill position player would be a missed opportunity.
In other words, I'd be happier with Will Beatty and two Odell Beckhams than I would be with Odell Beckham, Luke Joeckel and Preston Parker and Beatty playing elsewhere or gone (for example).
Johnson has been good, but at the same time, not good enough for me to say I'd rather have him than Beckham.
And IMO that's the decision you're making at 10.
It's Zack Martin or Beckham all over again. Possibly.
if there's no Beckham/Cooper when the Giants pick than go OL but the way the Giants have won SB's and the way the top drafted OL have performed I'd just assume take the risk on the skill guy.
has been the most glaring weakness on the team for 2 for 3 seasons now the lack of push has hurt the run game and failed to give eli the time he needs to make the offence work,this has caused the offence to flame out too quickly and worn the defence
its a fact if you want an OT it needs to be in the top of the first,beatty was a second round pick and hasnt been good enough all to often yes the there is risk but this team is built on it trenches more than most
if they can find another beckham in round 1 i wouldnt be upset at that but that would more likely mean another year of beatty and an out of position pugh which isnt what they need to improve and then an OG in round 2 or 3 which i would prefer as well as an OT not instead of
As much as you'd like to take a big stud to protect their most valuable asset, if a high value dynamic player such as Cooper is there, you'd have to consider it. The only downside to that is having two roster spots and cap space tied up in a # 1 and a potential # 1A WR. Hell, I guess you cross that bridge when you get to it.
its a fact if you want an OT it needs to be in the top of the first
in fact I'd say it's the opposite of a fact.
the Giants last first round OT was Petitgout before Pugh and in between they won two Super Bowls with David Diehl at LT.
So, for a Giants fan to write something like that is even more surprising.
Second, what is the most successful regular season team in most of our lifetimes? The New England Patriots. They have had Nate Solder, who hasn't exactly been Walter Jone out there, but he was drafted #17 and the only other highly drafted OL they had is Sebastian Vollmer (2nd round), the Colts teams with Peyton didn't have historically highly drafted OL.
You DO NOT need highly drafted OL to win or to fix the line.
At this point I agree with JonC. I suggested Bryan Bulaga is all the Giants need to solidify the line but if his injury history scares you away go with the next best RT option. I don't pretend to be an expert in the prospects coming out, but it's not hard to see YOU DO NOT have to draft OL high in the first for your team to be successful.
2004 the Giants had THE worst OL in the NFL. they turned it around in one off-season. 2nd round pick Chris Snee, UFA RT Kareem McKenzie, and done.
Not great by a long shot but pretty well for most of the year. And, probably the best lineman on the team this year which I know is not saying much. I don't see Beatty moving to another position but I don't see a rookie stepping in to start at LT as a rookie so the question is can Peat play RT for next season and be an asset on the assumption that Pugh moves inside which adds the question if Pugh can play inside. Lots of questions. Why not draft a road grading guard in this draft which you can set easily in the 2nd and probably 3rd round?
Not great by a long shot but pretty well for most of the year. And, probably the best lineman on the team this year which I know is not saying much. I don't see Beatty moving to another position but I don't see a rookie stepping in to start at LT as a rookie so the question is can Peat play RT for next season and be an asset on the assumption that Pugh moves inside which adds the question if Pugh can play inside. Lots of questions. Why not draft a road grading guard in this draft which you can set easily in the 2nd and probably 3rd round?
I'm sure any of the tackles--Peat, Stanley, Collins and Scherff--can play RT. And Collins has played LG. I think Beatty has done well this year. Don't have a problem going with him as LT next season.
as the 4th best NFC LT. Behind only Jason Peters (un-drafted), Joe Staley (1st round - pick 28), and Jared Veldheer (3rd round, on his 2nd team).
Like PFF or not, I think most agree, Peters and Staley are pretty darned good , so their ratings wouldn't be questioned. Many (like me) probably aren't that familiar with Veldheer.
Just showing you don't need a high first for a good NFL tackle.
Through free agency and later picks. Too many blue goose tackles end up being a complete waste.....Robert gallery , Erik Fischer, mike Williams, Levi brown , Kenyatta walker, Kramer Harris,Chris Williams ,Alex Barron ,Jason smith hand the list goes on and on. Meanwhile most here would praise the giants line they had during their recent super bowls. That line included D.Diehl 5th round draft choice, Rich Seubert went undrafted in 2001 , Shaun O'Hara free agent undrafted by browns, Chris Snee drafted 2nd round, and Kareem McKenzie drafted by the jets in the 3rd round and signed with the giants after 4 seasons. Also if you look around the league that's how most of the great lines are developed, I've looked back quite a ways and am yet to see a winning team that has 5 starting lineman who were either first or second round picks. Dallas is the closest with their current line that includes 3 players drafted in the first 2 rounds.
They might take Peat with a view toward 2016. If they need to fill a hole in 2015, the answer is more likely to be a UFA, although obviously one with a lower ceiling than a top-ten draft pick would have.
Plug him into RT and Geoff Schwartz at RG, Richburg at center, and Pugh at LG next to LT Beatty, and that will significantly improve our front line. Scherzo is a great drive blocker with a solid punch and Schwartz is good at run blocking. We will be able to run behind these 2 guys which will improve the whole offense. Besides that, these 2 guys are huge and that in itself will lead to better pass protection on the right side and Beatty and Pugh will seal the left side. Drafting Scherzo, is a guy who is an instant starter!
not to play the role of Mr. Dickhead, but what were your thoughts on Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson, Jake Matthews, etc?
I ask, not as an indictment of you, but because they were pretty much all labeled can't miss OL prospects by nearly everyone.
All in their second season (except Matthews) have struggled terribly.
I like the sound of what you write, but I still feel like taking an OL in the top 10 at the expense of a supremely talented skill position player would be a missed opportunity.
In other words, I'd be happier with Will Beatty and two Odell Beckhams than I would be with Odell Beckham, Luke Joeckel and Preston Parker and Beatty playing elsewhere or gone (for example).
I had Fisher, Joeckel, and Johnson all in the top 20 overall. Fisher being by #2 overall. Matthews was my top OT from last year, and was top 5 overall.
Joeckel has been terrible, I don't think there is anything there that would lead me to believe he will get much better either. I think there was the assumption he would get more powerful over his first two years of being in the league and that simply isn't the case.
Johnson has been pretty good.
Fisher I still like. He made a jump from the MAC to the NFL and it sucked for him that he had to play so soon. His movement and power output are still there. I think he can play at a Beatty-type level. But yes, when you are graded that highly that is an underachievement.
Matthews has been tossed around that line and been given too much, too fast. I think he can hack it. Although a part of me still believes, as I said last year, he might be better suited at RT or LG.
To your point, I would say taking a playmaker over an OL in round 1, especially that high, would be the way to go as well. I don't put anything in stone about anything though philosophy wise because it limits you.
Peat is a different package than any of the guys mentioned above. I am comfortable with him playing left tackle tomorrow for an NFL team.
I have seen so far. I think he is the only guy I would say for sure has "Blue Goose" capability at LT. I have seen Stanley (Notre Dame) but have not scouted him yet (major difference) so I can't give Peat the #1 spot yet. Collins (LSU) is close behind.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
unless Peat is a game changing player. I again want a playmaker with our low 1st rounder. I have no problem if the Giants took OL in 2nd again, best playmaker in the 1st, and got the best guard they could using free agency.
Our Giants need to improve the Oline and also get a solid playmaker. I believe if round #1 is the playmaker guy, round 2 is the Oline, is better than visa-verse.
if NYG still has a significant need at OL, we really need the blue chip Junior OTs to declare. Peat, Flowers, Drago, and it seems the Notre Dame kid is climbing.
I have seen so far. I think he is the only guy I would say for sure has "Blue Goose" capability at LT. I have seen Stanley (Notre Dame) but have not scouted him yet (major difference) so I can't give Peat the #1 spot yet. Collins (LSU) is close behind.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
I'd sign up for Peat if you promised that NYG would get the guy that beat him all game, Nate Orchard, DE, Utah, in 2nd round.
I have seen so far. I think he is the only guy I would say for sure has "Blue Goose" capability at LT. I have seen Stanley (Notre Dame) but have not scouted him yet (major difference) so I can't give Peat the #1 spot yet. Collins (LSU) is close behind.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
I'd sign up for Peat if you promised that NYG would get the guy that beat him all game, Nate Orchard, DE, Utah, in 2nd round.
bob, I'd sign off on that. Who do you like in the 3rd round at WR or CB or OG?
He just looks so natural out there. I'm just very impressed by Peat's overall skills package. He has the length, he has the footwork, his technique looks solid, and he has a good base with power.
Length/Feet/Technique/Power, all projected as positives. That's somewhat rare even for a Top 15 pick OT. Peat's a unique looking prospect who I'd love to add, but I expect him to go Top 5-7.
Pugh and Richburg were both "safe and athletic, but lacking power and elite potential" as OL prospects. Both guys should be long-term starters here, but if we draft an OLineman early this year I hope he is a more imposing physical specimen than Pugh/Richburg. Peat definitely looks like that kind of guy.
But I'm also not a guy that feels like we NEED to draft OL in the 1st. I think that's just a really limited way of looking at things. This team could still use weapons on offense, a strong DLineman, a Safety, etc.
S,WR or OG. If you don't go OT with Peat then the RT I really like is Daryl Williams, Oklahoma, in 3rd round.
But at S you might find one of Jalen Mills,Kurt Drummond,Cody Prewitt or Anthony Harris available in 3rd. I think Mills is probably gone along with Derron Smith.
Tre Jackson is a decent OG for 3rd round.
I could live with Peat-Orchard-Mills.
My favorite " want to see as a NYG" players are Jaelen Strong, Shaq Thompson, La'el Collins and Tevin Coleman...so we won't get any of them.
He submitted his name to the draft committee for a recommendation. Doesn't mean he'll come out though.
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Peat was coming back for his senior year.
He submitted his name to the draft committee for a recommendation. Doesn't mean he'll come out though.
Good to know. I like his feet and athleticism, but wish he had more of a mean streak. Wouldn't throw the remote though. Protecting Eli is priority #1 and this OL still needs new blood.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
I like the sound of this!
- A top-fifteen (probably top-ten) pick in 2015;
- The #43 pick in 2014;
- The #19 pick in 2013;
- A highly-paid 2013 UFA, who was also their own #60 pick in 2009;
- A well-paid 2014 UFA.
- A moderately-paid 2014 UFA.
Reese and Ross can fairly be criticized for letting the excellent 2008 line get old without an adequate succession plan; but they might only be one acquisition away from completing a full rebuild.
I ask, not as an indictment of you, but because they were pretty much all labeled can't miss OL prospects by nearly everyone.
All in their second season (except Matthews) have struggled terribly.
I like the sound of what you write, but I still feel like taking an OL in the top 10 at the expense of a supremely talented skill position player would be a missed opportunity.
In other words, I'd be happier with Will Beatty and two Odell Beckhams than I would be with Odell Beckham, Luke Joeckel and Preston Parker and Beatty playing elsewhere or gone (for example).
And IMO that's the decision you're making at 10.
It's Zack Martin or Beckham all over again. Possibly.
if there's no Beckham/Cooper when the Giants pick than go OL but the way the Giants have won SB's and the way the top drafted OL have performed I'd just assume take the risk on the skill guy.
its a fact if you want an OT it needs to be in the top of the first,beatty was a second round pick and hasnt been good enough all to often yes the there is risk but this team is built on it trenches more than most
if they can find another beckham in round 1 i wouldnt be upset at that but that would more likely mean another year of beatty and an out of position pugh which isnt what they need to improve and then an OG in round 2 or 3 which i would prefer as well as an OT not instead of
A starting OL entering 2015 of Beatty/Pugh/Richburg/Schwartz/1stRdPck
would be pretty good.
in fact I'd say it's the opposite of a fact.
the Giants last first round OT was Petitgout before Pugh and in between they won two Super Bowls with David Diehl at LT.
So, for a Giants fan to write something like that is even more surprising.
Second, what is the most successful regular season team in most of our lifetimes? The New England Patriots. They have had Nate Solder, who hasn't exactly been Walter Jone out there, but he was drafted #17 and the only other highly drafted OL they had is Sebastian Vollmer (2nd round), the Colts teams with Peyton didn't have historically highly drafted OL.
You DO NOT need highly drafted OL to win or to fix the line.
At this point I agree with JonC. I suggested Bryan Bulaga is all the Giants need to solidify the line but if his injury history scares you away go with the next best RT option. I don't pretend to be an expert in the prospects coming out, but it's not hard to see YOU DO NOT have to draft OL high in the first for your team to be successful.
2004 the Giants had THE worst OL in the NFL. they turned it around in one off-season. 2nd round pick Chris Snee, UFA RT Kareem McKenzie, and done.
A lot of people dont like him.
I'm sure any of the tackles--Peat, Stanley, Collins and Scherff--can play RT. And Collins has played LG. I think Beatty has done well this year. Don't have a problem going with him as LT next season.
Like PFF or not, I think most agree, Peters and Staley are pretty darned good , so their ratings wouldn't be questioned. Many (like me) probably aren't that familiar with Veldheer.
Just showing you don't need a high first for a good NFL tackle.
I ask, not as an indictment of you, but because they were pretty much all labeled can't miss OL prospects by nearly everyone.
All in their second season (except Matthews) have struggled terribly.
I like the sound of what you write, but I still feel like taking an OL in the top 10 at the expense of a supremely talented skill position player would be a missed opportunity.
In other words, I'd be happier with Will Beatty and two Odell Beckhams than I would be with Odell Beckham, Luke Joeckel and Preston Parker and Beatty playing elsewhere or gone (for example).
I had Fisher, Joeckel, and Johnson all in the top 20 overall. Fisher being by #2 overall. Matthews was my top OT from last year, and was top 5 overall.
Joeckel has been terrible, I don't think there is anything there that would lead me to believe he will get much better either. I think there was the assumption he would get more powerful over his first two years of being in the league and that simply isn't the case.
Johnson has been pretty good.
Fisher I still like. He made a jump from the MAC to the NFL and it sucked for him that he had to play so soon. His movement and power output are still there. I think he can play at a Beatty-type level. But yes, when you are graded that highly that is an underachievement.
Matthews has been tossed around that line and been given too much, too fast. I think he can hack it. Although a part of me still believes, as I said last year, he might be better suited at RT or LG.
To your point, I would say taking a playmaker over an OL in round 1, especially that high, would be the way to go as well. I don't put anything in stone about anything though philosophy wise because it limits you.
Peat is a different package than any of the guys mentioned above. I am comfortable with him playing left tackle tomorrow for an NFL team.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
Thanks Sy
Our Giants need to improve the Oline and also get a solid playmaker. I believe if round #1 is the playmaker guy, round 2 is the Oline, is better than visa-verse.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
I'd sign up for Peat if you promised that NYG would get the guy that beat him all game, Nate Orchard, DE, Utah, in 2nd round.
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I have seen so far. I think he is the only guy I would say for sure has "Blue Goose" capability at LT. I have seen Stanley (Notre Dame) but have not scouted him yet (major difference) so I can't give Peat the #1 spot yet. Collins (LSU) is close behind.
Peat has a HUGE frame but has the feet of a guy that plays much smaller. Big and powerful from head to toe. Very smart kid. Studies the game like a QB...knows more about his opponent each week than anyone which is impressive in itself. There are very few negatives to his game and if NYG were to take him as they currently stand right now, NYG fans would have to be very pleased.
I'd sign up for Peat if you promised that NYG would get the guy that beat him all game, Nate Orchard, DE, Utah, in 2nd round.
bob, I'd sign off on that. Who do you like in the 3rd round at WR or CB or OG?
My picks, again: Danny Shelton and Cam Erving.
Length/Feet/Technique/Power, all projected as positives. That's somewhat rare even for a Top 15 pick OT. Peat's a unique looking prospect who I'd love to add, but I expect him to go Top 5-7.
Pugh and Richburg were both "safe and athletic, but lacking power and elite potential" as OL prospects. Both guys should be long-term starters here, but if we draft an OLineman early this year I hope he is a more imposing physical specimen than Pugh/Richburg. Peat definitely looks like that kind of guy.
But I'm also not a guy that feels like we NEED to draft OL in the 1st. I think that's just a really limited way of looking at things. This team could still use weapons on offense, a strong DLineman, a Safety, etc.
But at S you might find one of Jalen Mills,Kurt Drummond,Cody Prewitt or Anthony Harris available in 3rd. I think Mills is probably gone along with Derron Smith.
Tre Jackson is a decent OG for 3rd round.
I could live with Peat-Orchard-Mills.
My favorite " want to see as a NYG" players are Jaelen Strong, Shaq Thompson, La'el Collins and Tevin Coleman...so we won't get any of them.