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NFT: Hot Stove Thread 12/18

Dunedin81 : 12/18/2014 2:35 pm
Surprisingly nobody wanted to participate in a thread about Chris Capuano but there is a fair amount of news today, most notably the stumbling blocks to the agreed upon Matt Kemp trade.

Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 14m14 minutes ago
So if his hips are indeed a concern, Padres won't be able to take him to a specialist to get them assessed. Thus, a soft deadline of sorts.


Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 14m14 minutes ago
Teams have 72 hours to do medical exams on potential trade candidates. Once that window is up -- and it almost is with Matt Kemp -- no more.


Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 4m4 minutes ago
#Rockies have had trade talks this offseason regarding Tulowitzki, CarGo, and Morneau, but no deal imminent. They want pitching back.


Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 7m7 minutes ago
Alleviate risk RT @jcrasnick: Baseball industry consensus: More money #Dodgers send to #Padres, better Matt Kemps hip X-rays will look.


River Ave. Blues & #8207;@RiverAveBlues 6m6 minutes ago
Report: Kenta Maeda will not be posted this offseason


Jon Heyman & #8207;@JonHeymanCBS 2m2 minutes ago
george kottaras nearing deal with white sox


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KenR's comment  
old man : 12/18/2014 2:51 pm : link
about money seems spot on, and is likely what SD is holding out for.
Yanks need a starter  
CruzShip52 : 12/18/2014 3:03 pm : link
Tanaka is a question
Cc is a huge question
Nova isn't back till may/June with an innings limit I'm sure
Pineda can not stay healthy
Capuano please no

Its not my money so I don't know why fans care what they spend. Yanks need scherzer I don't care about Yanks money they make enough
No Kenta  
Zebra3 : 12/18/2014 3:06 pm : link
Hello Sherzer?
It's not my money either...  
Dunedin81 : 12/18/2014 3:07 pm : link
my concern is that spending now will inhibit spending later, when they should be more competitive.
looks like Phil Coke will not be back with the Tigers  
superspynyg : 12/18/2014 3:17 pm : link
Should we bring him back?
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Dunedin81 : 12/18/2014 3:19 pm : link
Steve Berthiaume @BertDbacks 8m8 minutes ago
#Royals have signed P Kris Medlen @KrisMedlen54 to a 2-year contract plus an option.

Coke doesn't make a ton of sense...  
Dunedin81 : 12/18/2014 3:20 pm : link
we have two lefties in the pen, Miller and Justin Wilson, and Jacob Lindgren and Tyler Webb are next in the chute.
5  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 3:26 pm : link
Cubans to watch
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Maeda  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 3:27 pm : link
is the rare recent Japanese pitcher who may actually be underrated.
SD  
Metnut : 12/18/2014 3:45 pm : link
has some nice leverage here if there's something in the physical that would allow them to void the deal. LA made moves contigent on trading Kemp. I wonder how much more $$$ SD can get.
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Dunedin81 : 12/18/2014 7:00 pm : link
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 18m18 minutes ago Manhattan, NY

josh johnson headed back to padres. base expected to be a bit less than $2M with incentives that can take him back to $8M.
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Dunedin81 : 12/18/2014 11:52 pm : link
Nick Hamelin ‏@NickHamelin 15m15 minutes ago

Matt Kemp to the Padres is now official.


Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 16m16 minutes ago

Padres-A's deal official, too: Derek Norris and Seth Streich to SD for RHPs Jesse Hahn and R.J. Alvarez.
If  
DanMetroMan : 12/18/2014 11:54 pm : link
Hahn can stay healthy I like it a lot for the a's given their catchers should make a nice platoon. Makes sense for the new look Padres as well
And from the department of not surprising Mets info...  
Eric on Li : 12/19/2014 12:09 am : link
Quote:

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 23m 23 minutes ago
Money doesnt always mean winning. But it sure does create some flexibility, which in turn fosters creativity. Re: Mets, issues are related.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 26m 26 minutes ago
Judging by their actions, the Mets are functioning like a team that expects to work under these financial restrictions for awhile.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 28m 28 minutes ago
And its certainly reasonable to raise that point, too. RT @Graves9: @MarcCarig Not sure hugging all the prospects is the solution though.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 35m 35 minutes ago
Lack of money means the Mets simply cant afford to be wrong if they trade away some of these cost-controlled assets.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 40m 40 minutes ago
Creativity entails risk.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 42m 42 minutes ago
Regardless of whether theyll cop to it, the Mets have behaved like they're still shackled by finances, and thus averse to taking risks.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 48m 48 minutes ago
As theyd say back home, Mets fans are hella mad.

Marc Carig @MarcCarig 58m 58 minutes ago
RT @AmazinAvenue: Mets payroll by year:

2008: $137 MM
2009: $139 MM
2010: $126 MM
2011: $143 MM
2012: $94 MM
2013: $94 MM
2014: $85 MM
Marc Carig  
MookGiants : 12/19/2014 12:18 am : link
just picked a fight with ZGiants
I wanted him as insurance, but that's pretty steep...  
Dunedin81 : 12/19/2014 7:31 am : link
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 13m13 minutes ago

Peavy with #SFGiants: Two years, $24M, $4M signing bonus, $7M in '15, $13M in '16, full no-trade clause. Terms first reported by @jcrasnick
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Dunedin81 : 12/19/2014 7:35 am : link
Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd 7h7 hours ago

AL Source: Braves appear to be down the road on a deal sending Justin Upton to an AL West club for a package headlined by young pitching.
Peavy  
Deej : 12/19/2014 8:02 am : link
Steamer projects a whip of 4.33. Previous FIPs 2014 - 4.11; 2013 - 3.96; 2012 - 3.73.

For Bartolo, Steamer projects a FIP of 4.00. 2014 - 3.57; 2013 - 3.23; 2012 - 3.82.

So why again do the Mets have to kick in money to foist Bartolo on another team, when he is a better pitcher on a better, shorter contract than Peavy?
whoa  
Eric on Li : 12/19/2014 8:35 am : link
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 5m 5 minutes ago
rockies, mets talking about tulo. syndergaard woujld be centerpiece. (still very long way to go tho) http://cbsprt.co/1sFUFKq
Mook, ZGiants is basically Baghdad Bob  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 8:38 am : link
I get it, he's trying to be enthusiastic, but my god that guy talks nothing but 1% absolute best case scenarios. "Cuddyer is one of the most dangerous hitters in baseball" level nonsense.
RE: Peavy  
Eric on Li : 12/19/2014 8:41 am : link
In comment 12042373 Deej said:
Quote:
Steamer projects a whip of 4.33. Previous FIPs 2014 - 4.11; 2013 - 3.96; 2012 - 3.73.

For Bartolo, Steamer projects a FIP of 4.00. 2014 - 3.57; 2013 - 3.23; 2012 - 3.82.

So why again do the Mets have to kick in money to foist Bartolo on another team, when he is a better pitcher on a better, shorter contract than Peavy?


I agree, they could dump him without kicking in $, but surprisingly it seems they would rather trade Gee despite the extra savings.
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Dunedin81 : 12/19/2014 8:44 am : link
Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 1m1 minute ago
Sources: Braves finishing up a Justin Upton trade.

Tulo talks have yet to gain traction  
Eric on Li : 12/19/2014 8:45 am : link
Quote:

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 33s33 seconds ago
Three major obstacles for #Mets in a Tulo trade: His health, the #Rockies' required return and his remaining $118M over the next six years.

Details
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
Source: #Mets, #Rockies have talked Tulo all off-season, as @JonHeymanCBS said, but discussions have yet to gain traction.


It's always made way too much sense to not explore, and honestly even if it doesn't happen i'm extremely happy to hear that they've even been investigating it. Thor, Gee, and 1 more solid piece (Plawecki) would be about as much as I'd be willing to deal if they're also accepting the full risk of the contract. And it goes without saying they'd have to be really confident in the medical.
Wonder where Upton is going  
Eric on Li : 12/19/2014 8:49 am : link
Oakland would make some sense considering how many guys they've cleared out. Got to think they've got the pieces to get a deal like that done now.
Yankee trade  
rut17 : 12/19/2014 1:13 pm : link
Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 3m3 minutes ago
Source: Yankees are on the verge of acquiring P Nathan Eovaldi from Marlins for Martin Prado. Teams still talking, finalizing the deal.
Other pieces in the deal  
bxgiants4 : 12/19/2014 1:17 pm : link
Maybe an arm or 2 from the yanks I heard?
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rut17 : 12/19/2014 1:18 pm : link
Jack Curry ‏@JackCurryYES 33s33 seconds ago
Looks like Yanks-Marlins deal may expand beyond Eovaldi & Prado. @flasportsbuzz said it would be Eovaldi and Garrett Jones for Prado/Phelps.
Who the hell is Nathan Eovaldi?  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 1:19 pm : link
Is he any good? I haven't seen a Marlins game in years.
Garrett Jones?? The fuck?  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 1:20 pm : link
Garrett Jones is garbage
Seems like a horrendous deal  
bxgiants4 : 12/19/2014 1:21 pm : link
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RE: Who the hell is Nathan Eovaldi?  
arcarsenal : 12/19/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 12043004 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
Is he any good? I haven't seen a Marlins game in years.


Throws really hard. Touches upper 90's on his FB but doesn't generate many swings and misses and doesn't strike a ton of guys out considering how hard he throws. I think the question with him has always been whether he can develop enough secondary stuff to go along with his FB because he throws it a ton and the only other pitch he really uses is a slider.

3.37 FIP last year, still a young guy with upside.
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