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NGT: Anyone else hear Brian Billick totally trash Manziel

Upstate_Giants_fan : 12/18/2014 7:43 pm
on Mike and Mike this morning? May not be exact transcription, but close.

Greenie: 'What did you take away from his first start?

BB: 'That he's not an NFL QB. That his skill set won't transfer from college to the NFL.'

Greenie: 'Do you expect to see major improvement in his 2nd start?'

BB: 'Major improvement? You mean like completing a pass? You mean like converting a 3rd down?'

It's not often you here an ex-coach just totally destroy a player like he did.

Definitely surprised me.


He has been down on Manziel  
GiantJohn : 12/18/2014 7:46 pm : link
For a while now.
Killed him again this afternoon  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 12/18/2014 7:55 pm : link
On the Dan Le Batard show. I like Billick, tells it like it is.
he gave him one whole game huh?  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 8:07 pm : link
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I have similar thoughts on this as well  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2014 8:18 pm : link
Billick likely hates the combination of his celebrity, non pro college offense, lack of pocket presence, etc. obviously you need more than 1 game to make a hard decision, but I'd be shocked if Manziel is anything more than a guy who will flash in a few games each season, costing his team more than helping in the long run. I just don't see it.
I don't see Manziel  
section125 : 12/18/2014 8:27 pm : link
being anywhere worthy of 1st round selection. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
He also made a point to  
Rory : 12/18/2014 8:44 pm : link
highlight how stupid and immature his "money celebration" is when he hasn't done anything yet.

I agree.
RE: He also made a point to  
Giants4246 : 12/18/2014 8:53 pm : link
In comment 12042086 Rory said:
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highlight how stupid and immature his "money celebration" is when he hasn't done anything yet.

I agree.


It is stupid and immature, his whole act is. I watched bits and pieces of that game during commercials of the giants game, manziel looks like a midget on an NFL field.
I hope Manziel...  
Chris in Philly : 12/18/2014 9:05 pm : link
Becomes a huge star just to stick it to all the haters...
RE: I hope Manziel...  
schabadoo : 12/18/2014 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12042109 Chris in Philly said:
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Becomes a huge star just to stick it to all the haters...


He's a huge star now, got national commercials and everything.

He should consider bypassing stardom and studying some game film.
I hope he ends up ok, but the bigger picture  
ShocknAwe80 : 12/18/2014 9:19 pm : link
is that companies have to stop giving these guys deals before they do anything. You got RGIII hocking subway when he is sitting on the bench, manziel in snickers commercials... just make it stop! Make these guys do something in the NFL first.
RE: I hope Manziel...  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2014 9:20 pm : link
In comment 12042109 Chris in Philly said:
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Becomes a huge star just to stick it to all the haters...


If feel that way for a guy like Tebow. Manziel is a douchebag. He deserves people wishing he fails. If he does well, it will be no sweat off my back.
RE:  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 9:25 pm : link
In comment 12042126 UConn4523 said:
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If feel that way for a guy like Tebow. Manziel is a douchebag. He deserves people wishing he fails. If he does well, it will be no sweat off my back.


I bet.

Not even sure what makes Manziel a douchebag, other than him living the life every 20-25 year old wishes he could.

No, but feel bad for Tebow. Who refused to play any other position that could have made him an actual NFL player, because he wanted the spotlight of being a QB.
And of course Billick  
lugnut : 12/18/2014 9:25 pm : link
would know an NFL QB when he sees one because of all the star QBs he brought and coached up in Baltimore.

That guy's a joke -- an "offensive genius" who can't score an offensive TD in five games, needs a historically great defense to win the Super Bowl, and doesn't so much as find even a decent starting QB in his years at Baltimore.

Not saying Manziel will be great or even good, just that Billick doesn't know shit.
Billick would know a shitty QB when he sees one  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/18/2014 9:28 pm : link
He kept drafting them in Baltimore. Kind of amusing to see the guy who thought Elvis Grbac and Kyle Boller were legit QBs act so tough on kids.
I don't feel bad for Tebow  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2014 9:28 pm : link
but if I'm going to root for a guy to stick it to haters I'll root for the one who isn't a douchebag.

If you disagree on Manziel that fine but I'm not some random guy calling him a douche. That's the general feedback I get when I hear people talk about him. And spare me his age bullshit. He's no longer a kid and has been questioned already about his work ethic. Why don't all 20-25 year old star athletes act like him? Absolutely hate that excuse.
douchebag is a little much, after all he is still a kid...  
Rory : 12/18/2014 10:09 pm : link
But come one , The reason we have all grown to be annoyed by him is because of the media hype that has become his baggage.

The sports media has made him their own personal toy.
RE: I don't feel bad for Tebow  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/18/2014 10:22 pm : link
In comment 12042134 UConn4523 said:
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but if I'm going to root for a guy to stick it to haters I'll root for the one who isn't a douchebag.

If you disagree on Manziel that fine but I'm not some random guy calling him a douche. That's the general feedback I get when I hear people talk about him. And spare me his age bullshit. He's no longer a kid and has been questioned already about his work ethic. Why don't all 20-25 year old star athletes act like him? Absolutely hate that excuse.


He's no longer a kid? He just turned 22 and is not even a full year removed from college.

I think you'd be in a better position if you asked why not all 20-25 year old QBs act like Manziel, because a lot of athletes certainly act like him. Ahmad Bradshaw partied just as hard as he played on the football field.

But who cares how he acts? He's not a criminal and he's not hurting anybody. He's just having fun at the age where it's reasonable to have fun. It's obviously not interfering with his work if he won the starting job. He must have impressed in practice. Lets see how he does the rest of the season, and his career.

I'll be rooting for him.
RE: And of course Billick  
AcidTest : 12/18/2014 10:52 pm : link
In comment 12042130 lugnut said:
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would know an NFL QB when he sees one because of all the star QBs he brought and coached up in Baltimore.

That guy's a joke -- an "offensive genius" who can't score an offensive TD in five games, needs a historically great defense to win the Super Bowl, and doesn't so much as find even a decent starting QB in his years at Baltimore.

Not saying Manziel will be great or even good, just that Billick doesn't know shit.


Agree. I've heard Billick make some good comments, but trashing Manziel because he was awful in his rookie debut is silly. Manziel is a loudmouth, but passing judgement on him as a QB now is absurd.
How Old Is ODB?  
Trainmaster : 12/18/2014 11:43 pm : link
He's about as far from a douchebag as you'll find in a rookie.
re  
diable : 12/18/2014 11:51 pm : link
Billick is a fair announcer, he's isn't usually negative.
Im guessing that Billick was asked about Manziel one too many times.

I was sick of the bullshit hype. I enjoyed the beating he took.

Why would anyone want to root for manziel? Seriously.
RE: RE: I don't feel bad for Tebow  
JayBinQueens : 12/19/2014 12:20 am : link
In comment 12042207 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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In comment 12042134 UConn4523 said:


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but if I'm going to root for a guy to stick it to haters I'll root for the one who isn't a douchebag.

If you disagree on Manziel that fine but I'm not some random guy calling him a douche. That's the general feedback I get when I hear people talk about him. And spare me his age bullshit. He's no longer a kid and has been questioned already about his work ethic. Why don't all 20-25 year old star athletes act like him? Absolutely hate that excuse.



He's no longer a kid? He just turned 22 and is not even a full year removed from college.

I think you'd be in a better position if you asked why not all 20-25 year old QBs act like Manziel, because a lot of athletes certainly act like him. Ahmad Bradshaw partied just as hard as he played on the football field.

But who cares how he acts? He's not a criminal and he's not hurting anybody. He's just having fun at the age where it's reasonable to have fun. It's obviously not interfering with his work if he won the starting job. He must have impressed in practice. Lets see how he does the rest of the season, and his career.

I'll be rooting for him.


It doesn't matter if a lot of athletes act like him. He wants to be a starting quarterback. You need to show maturity and leadership as a qb. You can't be going around, puffing out your chest, making money signs when you haven't accomplished a thing in the league. Let Bradshaw party all he wants. He won't make or break a team. The qb position will.
Russel Wilson at that age didn't act like Manziel. Neither did luck or Eli.
I think he got the staring job more on a combination of hoyer's ineptitude and fan/media pressure than pure earning it.
Time will tell. Hope I'm wrong but he can't fall back on just being a 22 year old. He's one of 32 starting qbs in the league and needs to act like one
Billick said Manziel's game would not transfer last year  
Mason : 12/19/2014 12:21 am : link
He didn't "beat him up" after one game and he isn't some lone wolf on the matter. Manziel has received mixed reviews about his potential in the NFL for over three years.
I'm rooting for Manziel  
Bill in UT : 12/19/2014 12:23 am : link
and I have no idea why. I've always wanted to dislike him because of his off the field attitude. But I came to respect him watching him at A&M. He had guts and he pulled rabbits out of hats more times than I could have imagined. Maybe he'll never translate to a good pro, but I can't count him out yet.
Billick is just jealous because Football is living the life  
chris r : 12/19/2014 12:24 am : link
he wishes he could. Amirite?
If Billick is against him  
montanagiant : 12/19/2014 12:35 am : link
I just became a Johnny Football fan
I root for NY GIants.  
smshmth8690 : 12/19/2014 12:43 am : link
If 'Johnny Football" wound up here I'd root for him. For now I wish Jerry Jones' people would have let him draft Manziel.
.....  
MetsAreBack : 12/19/2014 1:00 am : link
10/18, 80 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs in first NFL start late in his rookie season fucking sucks

Billick would now... another rookie Loser he once faced went 4-18, 27 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs late in his first pro season. Guy never amounted to anything.

Clearly they should go ahead and cut Manziel now. He's done.
RE:  
AnotherGiantsFan : 12/19/2014 1:03 am : link
In comment 12042290 JayBinQueens said:
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It doesn't matter if a lot of athletes act like him. He wants to be a starting quarterback. You need to show maturity and leadership as a qb. You can't be going around, puffing out your chest, making money signs when you haven't accomplished a thing in the league. Let Bradshaw party all he wants. He won't make or break a team. The qb position will.
Russel Wilson at that age didn't act like Manziel. Neither did luck or Eli.
I think he got the staring job more on a combination of hoyer's ineptitude and fan/media pressure than pure earning it.
Time will tell. Hope I'm wrong but he can't fall back on just being a 22 year old. He's one of 32 starting qbs in the league and needs to act like one


Being 22 years old is an excuse because 22 year olds mature and grow up. I expect the same out of him.

Hoyer's shit show performance definitely played a part, but I refuse to believe Manziel did whatever the fuck he wanted at practice and they gave him the starting job because the fans want it. He must have been putting the work in and practicing like he wants the starting job.
RE: .....  
Jints in Carolina : 12/19/2014 1:52 am : link
In comment 12042306 MetsAreBack said:
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10/18, 80 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs in first NFL start late in his rookie season fucking sucks

Billick would now... another rookie Loser he once faced went 4-18, 27 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs late in his first pro season. Guy never amounted to anything.

Clearly they should go ahead and cut Manziel now. He's done.


I see what you did there.
RE: I hope Manziel...  
j_rud : 12/19/2014 2:22 am : link
In comment 12042109 Chris in Philly said:
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Becomes a huge star just to stick it to all the haters...


+1. He's an exciting player to watch, love him or hate him his passion to win is obvious, and if the QBs we revere as legends were under the kind of scrutiny today's young players are we would probably look at them differently. I forget who it was here who quoted a long time league personnel guy who said Montana and Manziel had quite a bit in common with regards to off the field activities, those things just weren't reported then. Some of the gambling/partying/women escapades of a number of 70s and 80s sports teams match top rock n roll bands in their debauchery. The Flyers of the 70s for example were absolutely notorious partiers/womanizers/gamblers.

I'm not saying he doesn't sometimes come off like an ass. But put in his position, at that age,with that money, with that many cameras in your face? I did stupid shit at 22 without having to worry about handling absurd amounts of money and carrying the hopes of a desperate city on my shoulders. Plenty of us, myself included, would have our own set of face palming moments. I really don't think the young guys are getting dumber, we're just getting unprecedented access into their lives.v
Johnny Football is a 1st rd  
section125 : 12/19/2014 7:28 am : link
draft choice. He's also a 1 trick pony at this point. I bet the speed of the game caught him last week.
When you don't prepare correctly, have limited ability to read defenses with minimal experience you will look awful as an NFL QB. You cannot make one read and run in the NFL, especially as small as he is.
Maybe that embarrassment last week will straighten him out(re - head to the film room).

Not a fan at all, but still hope he does better. I doubt he does.
RE: douchebag is a little much, after all he is still a kid...  
Chris in Philly : 12/19/2014 7:48 am : link
In comment 12042190 Rory said:
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But come one , The reason we have all grown to be annoyed by him is because of the media hype that has become his baggage.

The sports media has made him their own personal toy.


So why should that be held against Manziel?
RE: I don't feel bad for Tebow  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/19/2014 8:14 am : link
In comment 12042134 UConn4523 said:
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but if I'm going to root for a guy to stick it to haters I'll root for the one who isn't a douchebag.


Tim Tebow is a douchebag? Since when? What did that guy ever do? It's not his fault Urban Meyer didn't develop him at all for the next level.
sorry misread the chain.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/19/2014 8:15 am : link
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Manziel brought the scrutiny on himself  
deadkurtrulz : 12/19/2014 11:08 am : link
Flashing the money sign at the draft when he almost fell out of the first round altogether sealed the deal. He is better at hyping himself than he is at football. His game does not translate to the NFL is the opinion of many football experts that know better than we do. Of course one game is not a fair measure but the doubters based their opinion earlier based on his entire college career. Not this one game.

I thought he would bust too but I don't care one way or the other. But that money sign thing made him a target and he will be seeing it alot this year.
Really pulling for Manziel  
Vin R : 12/19/2014 11:22 am : link
hope he lights it up the rest of the season
RE: Really pulling for Manziel  
snumber6 : 12/19/2014 11:35 am : link
In comment 12042715 Vin R said:
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hope he lights it up the rest of the season


I think his only lighting it up will get him suspended for the leagues illegal substance abuse policy ...
RE: I hope Manziel...  
dguy901 : 12/19/2014 12:56 pm : link
In comment 12042109 Chris in Philly said:
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Becomes a huge star just to stick it to all the haters...
The Browns scouts screwed the pooch with the Manzel evaluation! Manzel wasn't even in my top 5 QB's coming out this year, my order was Bortles, Carr, Bridgewater, McCarron and Garrapolo. I expect Manzel to not transition effectively to the NFL, he isn't Russel Wilson!
For what it's worth, Jon Gruden likes him  
CMACDC : 12/19/2014 6:10 pm : link
Said before the draft that he's not a finished product and he needs training and continuity, but that he can succeed in the league.
Gruden on Johnny - ( New Window )
Manziel was drafted by the worst possible team  
spike : 12/19/2014 6:31 pm : link
the Browns arent exactly known for developing QBs. He needs a team that can be patient and let him develop over time.. perhaps behind a veteran QB who can teach him a few things.
re  
diable : 12/19/2014 7:03 pm : link
Gruden likes everyone.
RE: I hope Manziel...  
Great White Ghost : 12/20/2014 10:57 pm : link
In comment 12042109 Chris in Philly said:
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Becomes a huge star just to stick it to all the haters...
How about hoping he becomes a fucking football player?
...  
christian : 12/20/2014 11:58 pm : link
Manziel is going to get absolutely trucked in the NFL. There isn't a place for a guy who's only plus attribute is busted plays. And I like him, like his bravado and the fun he's having. It takes an extraordinary amount of work and focus plus luck to survive as a QB in the league without plus size, arm, accuracy and presence.
RE: Billick would know a shitty QB when he sees one  
nedhiggins : 12/22/2014 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12042133 Ten Ton Hammer said:
[quote] He kept drafting them in Baltimore. Kind of amusing to see the guy who thought Elvis Grbac and Kyle Boller were legit QBs act so tough on kids. [/quote

^this

it's ridiculous that people are already writing this kid off after 5 quarters of football. I get it that this pick was probably largely influenced by the owner, but how do teams like Buffalo with EJ Manuel and the Browns with Manziel invest high picks in these guys and then bail on them after 10-15 games. Hard to believe that these GM's are employed in such a capacity
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