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Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 7:47 pm
Today was the death blow to that franchise. Owner said that if was not allowed to look outside of St. Pete for a new stadium he would eventually sell the team and then of course they would most likely eventually move.

http://tbo.com/news/politics/st-pete-council-vote-on-rays-stadium-proposal-today-20141218/?page=1
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/zip/4811395163.html - ( New Window )
The St. Petersburg City Council  
Ben in Tampa : 12/18/2014 7:51 pm : link
Pretty much doomed baseball in the region. Some of the quotes from the councilmen and women about the Rays being arrogant and out of touch were laughable. It was reported the Rays basically stormed out of the meeting and have given very ominous non-statements about the results.

Too bad really, but it's over now.
RE: The St. Petersburg City Council  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 7:55 pm : link
In comment 12042021 Ben in Tampa said:
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Pretty much doomed baseball in the region. Some of the quotes from the councilmen and women about the Rays being arrogant and out of touch were laughable. It was reported the Rays basically stormed out of the meeting and have given very ominous non-statements about the results.

Too bad really, but it's over now.


I agree....it was ridiculous.
Just move 'em  
old man : 12/18/2014 8:09 pm : link
to London, to keep the Jags or some football franchise company.
The St. Pete board just killed baseball in Tampa  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 8:11 pm : link
IMO if the Rays built a retractable roof stadium in Tampa it would have worked. For whatever reason people do not want to travel to St. Pete for baseball. The Trop may be a dump, but at least it alsways nice and cool in there. And believe or not the place has some pretty cool amenities. I have been there many times and have always enjoyed myself.
Is this why Maddon and Friedman left?  
hudson : 12/18/2014 8:11 pm : link
Rays, if they move, will go to Montreal.
Maddon and Friedman probably saw the writing on the wall  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 8:22 pm : link
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it's a shitball stadium in a stabby neighborhood  
WeatherMan : 12/18/2014 8:25 pm : link
and the commute to get to an evening game from Tampa is a giant pain in the ass. The team will be sold and moved, just a matter of when and where.
I told you, Montreal  
hudson : 12/18/2014 8:28 pm : link
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yea because Montreal really supported the Expos  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 8:36 pm : link
and I don't want to hear about the low attendance because they were going to move. The attendance was always a problem.
Awful Stadium  
Jim in Tampa : 12/18/2014 8:40 pm : link
The "Trop" was the last stadium built before they figured out how to build stadiums with some character.

Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas built great ballparks right after this indoor dungeon of a shithole stadium was constructed, in hopes of luring the SF Giants.

Location sucks too. There is a direct correlation between attendance and population density within a certain radius of the ballpark. In that respect I believe the current stadium location is either the worst or second worst in baseball.

Disappointed that Rays won't be able to move across the bay and that this may be the end of MLB in our area.
of other candidate cities  
WeatherMan : 12/18/2014 8:44 pm : link
I'd bet Charlotte would be able to support a team, keeps the eastern division location without overly infringing on rival territories.
RE: yea because Montreal really supported the Expos  
hudson : 12/18/2014 8:47 pm : link
In comment 12042076 Jints in Carolina said:
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and I don't want to hear about the low attendance because they were going to move. The attendance was always a problem.

The stadium was horrible, they've already had a grassroots program and clearly would be the top contender. Read the link. They've already got pre season games, and the Canadain dollar and revenue sharing is much more easier to handle.
RE: of other candidate cities  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12042087 WeatherMan said:
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I'd bet Charlotte would be able to support a team, keeps the eastern division location without overly infringing on rival territories.


Baseball is not going to come to NC.
RE: Awful Stadium  
hudson : 12/18/2014 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12042081 Jim in Tampa said:
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The "Trop" was the last stadium built before they figured out how to build stadiums with some character.

Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas built great ballparks right after this indoor dungeon of a shithole stadium was constructed, in hopes of luring the SF Giants.

Location sucks too. There is a direct correlation between attendance and population density within a certain radius of the ballpark. In that respect I believe the current stadium location is either the worst or second worst in baseball.

Disappointed that Rays won't be able to move across the bay and that this may be the end of MLB in our area.

Don't the Lightning though play in St. Pete?
RE: RE: Awful Stadium  
Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12042092 hudson said:
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The "Trop" was the last stadium built before they figured out how to build stadiums with some character.

Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas built great ballparks right after this indoor dungeon of a shithole stadium was constructed, in hopes of luring the SF Giants.

Location sucks too. There is a direct correlation between attendance and population density within a certain radius of the ballpark. In that respect I believe the current stadium location is either the worst or second worst in baseball.

Disappointed that Rays won't be able to move across the bay and that this may be the end of MLB in our area.


Don't the Lightning though play in St. Pete?


No they play in Tampa....so tell me....what is the difference between Montreal's shitty stadium and the Rays shitty stadium? The Rays should be given the chance to explore every loacation in the Tampa area and they have been shot down.
Lightning play in  
RDJR : 12/18/2014 9:05 pm : link
Tampa.
the Lightning are and have been in downtown Tampa  
WeatherMan : 12/18/2014 9:06 pm : link
the building used to be called the St. Pete Times Forum though, leading to useless confusion.
I'd love the Rays to come to Charlotte  
YAJ2112 : 12/18/2014 10:15 pm : link
but I don't see it happening. I don't think this market could support a major league team.
The Lightning will actually soon be playing  
Ben in Tampa : 12/18/2014 10:36 pm : link
In an arena surround by a world class, 40 acre, billion dollar urban neighborhood on the waterfront.

The Rays will have to move out of sheer embarrassment.
RE: RE: RE: Awful Stadium  
hudson : 12/18/2014 10:42 pm : link
In comment 12042107 Jints in Carolina said:
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The "Trop" was the last stadium built before they figured out how to build stadiums with some character.

Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas built great ballparks right after this indoor dungeon of a shithole stadium was constructed, in hopes of luring the SF Giants.

Location sucks too. There is a direct correlation between attendance and population density within a certain radius of the ballpark. In that respect I believe the current stadium location is either the worst or second worst in baseball.

Disappointed that Rays won't be able to move across the bay and that this may be the end of MLB in our area.


Don't the Lightning though play in St. Pete?



No they play in Tampa....so tell me....what is the difference between Montreal's shitty stadium and the Rays shitty stadium? The Rays should be given the chance to explore every loacation in the Tampa area and they have been shot down.

It's pretty obvious for the reasons I mentioned. Ask MontrealMan.
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Jints in Carolina : 12/18/2014 11:05 pm : link
It's time again to revisit a popular topic! Except, this week, it's TSN sports legal analyst Eric Macramalla doing the dirty work, writing, "Forget it Montreal, the Tampa Bay Rays aren’t moving anytime soon." One of his main reasons (as I've written about before): the Rays have a use agreement, not a lease.

An excerpt:
The reason the Rays aren’t moving ties into their deal with the city. The Rays never signed a traditional lease. Rather, it signed a “Use Agreement”, which prevents the team from moving out of Tropicana Field and calls for potentially catastrophic monetary damages should the Rays abandon the stadium before its deal is up in 2027. This is in stark contrast to a traditional lease, where a tenant owes the landlord what’s left on that lease after breaking it.
http://shadowofthestadium.blogspot.com/2014/12/rays-to-montreal-fat-chance-pt-iii.html - ( New Window )
We'll see what the MLB and the Rays' attorneys do...  
Dunedin81 : 12/19/2014 12:03 am : link
with that agreement. I'm generally on the city's side when it comes to teams trying to extort money and concessions but the stadium is a shithole in a shithole, even a competitive team was getting no fan support, if it wasn't for revenue sharing (which didn't exist in its present form when that agreement was signed) it would be a suicide pact.
The comments to that article make some interesting points...  
Dunedin81 : 12/19/2014 12:10 am : link
Tampa built that stadium before it was ever promised a team (I forgot that) so it would be tough to persuasively argue for an astronomical damage figure. Ironically MLB could find itself in a position where it has to argue against the economic benefits of a sports team, pretty much the opposite of the claim it and every other sports league makes in trying to scam stadiums and other free money out of locales.
The # 1 available market for MLB  
capone : 12/19/2014 5:43 am : link
Is NJ
MLB could contract the team if this looks to drag on long  
Jints in Carolina : 12/19/2014 6:10 am : link
that's a way out.
RE: RE: RE: Awful Stadium  
Fred-in-Florida : 12/19/2014 6:55 am : link
In comment 12042107 Jints in Carolina said:
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The "Trop" was the last stadium built before they figured out how to build stadiums with some character.

Baltimore, Cleveland and Texas built great ballparks right after this indoor dungeon of a shithole stadium was constructed, in hopes of luring the SF Giants.

Location sucks too. There is a direct correlation between attendance and population density within a certain radius of the ballpark. In that respect I believe the current stadium location is either the worst or second worst in baseball.

Disappointed that Rays won't be able to move across the bay and that this may be the end of MLB in our area.


Don't the Lightning though play in St. Pete?



No they play in Tampa....so tell me....what is the difference between Montreal's shitty stadium and the Rays shitty stadium? The Rays should be given the chance to explore every loacation in the Tampa area and they have been shot down.




I live about an hour East of Tampa. To get to a Rays night game I have to leave before 3 in the afternoon otherwise I run right into Tampa rush hour traffic. There is only one bridge/causeway from Tampa to St. Pete that I can take and it's a nightmare!

When I visit my cousin in St. Pete it only takes 1 1/2 hours. She doesn't live to far from the stadium.

Most people from this side of tampa don't go for that reason.

If they put a stadium on the East side near the Fair grounds and the casino. People from the Orlando Area would then go more often.
I thought removing  
Pete in MD : 12/19/2014 8:32 am : link
the Devil was supposed to solve all of their problems.
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