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Emil : 12/18/2014 9:37 pm
Didn't see it posted anywhere, but GBN updated it's draft projection. Giants currently pick #8 and select:

Devante Parker, WR Louisville

I like this pick more than I have liked previous GBN projects as I wasn't sold on Oakman or most of the OTs in the first round.

Parker is 6-3 210, runs in the mid to high 4.4s. An education major who missed seven games this year to a foot injury, Parker has played in only 5 games, but has 35 receptions for 735 yards and 5 TDs. He also dominated FSU with an 8 catch 214 yd performance.

Parker pretty much sounds like everything the Giants hoped Reuben Randle would be, but has not lived up to. CBS sports describes Parker as:

STRENGTHS: At 6'3 with long arms, soft hands and superb leaping ability, Parker is as tough of a receiver to defend as there is anywhere in the country as he utilizes great body control and timing to win any ball thrown in his vicinity regardless of how well-covered he is. After the catch, Parker demonstrates impressive shiftiness despite being a long-strider and has a nice second gear to create distance once he's in the open field.

WEAKNESSES: Parker's initial burst and quickness off the line is only marginal, so he'll need to continue improving with his hands to routinely beat press coverage, and he lacks elite straight-line speed to separate vertically. He's also still developing as a route-runner as he lacks sharpness on cuts, and doesn't always work his way back to the ball, but he has shown steady improvement in this area.

Parker has first-round talent, and will certainly be a consideration there with another season like the last two.

--Derek Stephens (8/18/14)

While you can make a compelling argument that the 1st round pick should be a OL, DL, or Safety. Eli has one legit weapon right now, and Cruz returning to form is not a sure thing at all. Drafting Parker would allow the Giants to take it slow with Cruz, work him back in, relegate Reuben Randle to the #4 slot (or worse), and continue to capitalize on remaining years of Eli's prime.

I would say that if the Giants go WR early, they better use FA to find a Guard or RT.





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How does this keep Eli off his ass?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 12/18/2014 9:50 pm : link
And help get Jerry and Walton out of the starting lineup?
Emlen  
Emil : 12/18/2014 9:53 pm : link
I actually agree with you, the Giants have to keep Eli off his back, but here is what I would do.

You already have significant money invested in the LT, future OC, RG, and RT position. (I assume Schwartz will eventually play RG). Those guys aren't going anywhere for at least two more seasons. I think the Giants are going to find a OG/RT (maybe both) in FA and plug him into the line. You really don't spend a premium pick on a Guard or a guy you expect to play RT, and a Top 10 pick in the draft is a chance to get an impact player.

80% of the line is arguably set for 2015. I really don't see the Giants investing a #1 draft pick in the line. I think Colin from GBN has a similar view.
You have no idea how we address OL  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2014 9:56 pm : link
we will almost certainly sign someone, likely 2 guys to compete for starting jobs in addition to drafting guys. If there's no tackle worth taking at 8, what's the point of taking one? The bust potential is pretty high as well.

I'd love another WR
Fix the OL.  
Red Dog : 12/18/2014 9:59 pm : link
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You either sign a YOUNG FA OL and let him, Pugh and Richburg  
yatqb : 12/18/2014 10:06 pm : link
develop together, or draft one quite high. Peat is awesome, but trading down and landing a guy who best fits at RT or OG is another way to go. Scherff certainly doesn't merit a top 10 selection.

Lots of holes, but OL, DL, LB and S have to be top priorities either in FA or the draft.
You aren't drafting a C or G from the top ten, especially not this  
Riggies : 12/18/2014 10:06 pm : link
year. If they think Pugh could play inside they could draft a T, but the value/talent might not be there and a team as lacking in talent as this one is can't force picks right now, at any position.

If a WR is the BPA, it is zero problem. The Giants have one offensive weapon right now -- one. They can't bank on Cruz, who wasn't even playing well, dating back to mid last year, before he got injured.
Having 2 cost controlled WRs  
UConn4523 : 12/18/2014 10:10 pm : link
for Eli to try for another titles over the next 3 or 4 years is such an underrated way to go. I'm by no means dismissing how important OL play is but the law of averages has to work one day when bringing in a FA or drafting guys in the 2nd or 3rd rounds (which is plenty high for C and G).

The draft isn't about year 1 it's about the next 3 or 4 years. Not investing a huge chunk of cap in 2 really good WRs would be a massive advantage.
I think I would hate that pick  
lugnut : 12/18/2014 10:12 pm : link
Is Parker better than OBJ? Doubt it. We took OBJ at #12 and we'll probably be around #8 this year, so...

If Peat comes out, I'd love to take him. Not sure of contract/$ implications, but as I've said before, Beatty is or soon will be 31 regardless of whether you like him or not. Peat, especially as an early college departure, could get acclimated over a year or two and take over for the "old" Beatty. Or could play on other side if, as has been suggested, Pugh moves to G.

Other than that, the best DEs and LBs -- our other greatest need, IMHO -- projected near there (e.g., Gregory, Ray, Thompson, Beasley) seem too skinny to me.
I'm thinking Oakman  
Rjanyg : 12/18/2014 10:16 pm : link
Makes sense. I would hope Reese try's to sign Franklin or Iupati in FA. Re-sign JPP and being in another young DE to develope along with Moore. Can't have too many pass rushers. Value for a fist round pick.
Pass  
SGMen : 12/18/2014 10:22 pm : link
Marginal burst off the line for a WCO? Nah.

Do NOT be surprised if the Giants don't go after a top FA wideout.

Yes, we need OL but have to hope Pugh, Richburg come on stronger and Schwartz is healthy next year. Round 2 OG maybe? Round 1, may go defense.
I like Parker  
MookGiants : 12/18/2014 10:23 pm : link
but foot injuries scare me for WR's
Not  
AcidTest : 12/18/2014 10:49 pm : link
even close. Parker is not a top ten pick. No way.

Fowler or Oakman are most likely IMO. I'd prefer Fowler. If he's gone, then maybe Dupree after a trade down.
Enough with the wide receiver talk  
Marty866b : 12/18/2014 11:31 pm : link
We need lineman on both sides of the ball. Games are on and lost upfront. Taking another receiver in the first round is ridiculous.
I don't like guys with  
Bill in UT : 12/19/2014 12:28 am : link
an injury history
Marty, ever hear of UFA?  
David in LA : 12/19/2014 12:48 am : link
You can find OL help that takes less time to develop.
Devante Parker will be a good NFL receiver but  
dpinzow : 12/19/2014 12:53 am : link
don't think he's worth a top 10 pick. I think his upside is about Plaxico's level though so it wouldn't be a throw the remote pick. The only receiver I'd draft in the top 10 if available is Amari because he's a total beast. Otherwise I trade the pick down into the middle of the 1st and grab an OT there, then use the 2nd pick to grab a LB. Depending on where Cleveland's 2 #1s are, we could trade our 1st and 2nd for their #1s (according to the draft value chart) and pick La'el Collins and Benardrick McKinney to kill two birds with one stone
Power wins football games  
Optimus-NY : 12/19/2014 2:57 am : link
OL and DL please at the top of the draft (rounds 1 through 3). TE is also increasingly becoming vital. We see how important the position is in this offense.
you still have to win the physical battles  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 12/19/2014 6:09 am : link
Football is still won at the line of scrimmage. That projected draft has on O-linemen going before the Giants at #8, and you and you want to take a wide receiver whose weakness is getting off the line of scrimmage and has a history of foot injuries?

No thanks.
Exactly. You have to be able to run and stop the run  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 6:26 am : link
2 things the Giants had trouble doing this year. Which is why I like Ronnie Stanley, La'el Collins and Danny Shelton as possible first round picks.
The Giants have OBJ and Cruz  
JohnB : 12/19/2014 6:42 am : link
Why would they draft yet another WR while the OL and the DL need a lot of help, esp the OLine? It make NO sense at all unless Cruz's injury is career ending or career limiting. Other than that, you don't need to spend a high draft pick on a WR. We've all heard "well if Cooper falls". Okay, maybe then.....

The Cowboys OL is making Murray look a HOFer, which he is not. A very good OL will make everyone look much better, including Eli, OBJ, Cruz and the third WR like Parker.

That said, I fully expect Reese to get a FA or 2 for the Oline.
You can't count on Cruz to be near 100%.  
drkenneth : 12/19/2014 7:23 am : link
You don't draft a lesser player to reach for need. Not sure why BBI doesn't get that. If the BPA is a OL, great, if not WR is a need as well.

I expect a big FA OL signing. + a high draft pick.

RE: The Giants have OBJ and Cruz  
drkenneth : 12/19/2014 7:25 am : link
In comment 12042341 JohnB said:
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Why would they draft yet another WR while the OL and the DL need a lot of help, esp the OLine? It make NO sense at all unless Cruz's injury is career ending or career limiting. Other than that, you don't need to spend a high draft pick on a WR. We've all heard "well if Cooper falls". Okay, maybe then.....

The Cowboys OL is making Murray look a HOFer, which he is not. A very good OL will make everyone look much better, including Eli, OBJ, Cruz and the third WR like Parker.

That said, I fully expect Reese to get a FA or 2 for the Oline.


OBJ- Legit
Cruz- Coming off major knee injury
Parker- He's your #3??? Come on, man. The guy is a 4th at best.
TE is still a ?

I like Parker  
Andy in Halifax : 12/19/2014 7:45 am : link
but I feel Peat and La'el Collins are better prospects and would have taken one of them. Peat would be extremely difficult to pass up imo.
OL  
stretch234 : 12/19/2014 7:50 am : link
Anyone watch NE play this year - Bellichik changed his OL when they sucked and put in R 4th rd pick C Stork and changed the G up - 2 of whom are UDFA and the other a 5th rd pick

GB has been making do with 3 4th rd picks and a 7th rd R at C. Their highest pick - a 1st - is their worst player on the OL

Murray has run like this before, in 2 of his 3 previous years he avg over 5 ypc - w/o Martin. Difference is they are giving him 10 more carries per game to protect Romo's back

This continued notion that you have to have high draft picks on the OL to suceed is total BS, as is that they need to pick an OL just to pick one

Cleveland has 4 OL who have been picked in the top 37 picks and still struggle with pass protection and running the ball

I also do not believe we would draft the above mentioned guy that high coming off a major injury
If going WR,  
bob in tx : 12/19/2014 8:11 am : link
I'd rather have Jaelen Strong. If he played at Alabama he'd be the the first WR picked.
RE: How does this keep Eli off his ass?  
barens : 12/19/2014 8:45 am : link
In comment 12042165 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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And help get Jerry and Walton out of the starting lineup?


So drafting a rookie offensive lineman will keep Eli off his ass? I'm hoping for the Iowa OT, but really, expecting us to draft someone like a Zack Martin is really wishful thinking.
Remember, UFA will fill urgent holes before the draft  
JonC : 12/19/2014 8:56 am : link
Given that, it makes no sense to look at team needs NOW and try to project the most urgent (perceived) needs will be the same next May. e.g, if you're screaming OL or bust right now your approach is short-sighted.

RE: Cruz

Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

Don't be shocked if NYG drafts a WR in the first few rounds, given Cruz's knee and Randle's lack of development. Even if Cruz returns 100%, we still would have only two solid WRs.

A lot of early assessments pointing to strength and depth at DE, OT, and WR through three rounds.

If that holds true, how would a draft haul of those three look added to the NYG roster in May? It would be an excellent use of limited draft resources, addressing both needs and premium positions. They could add an OG, TE, RB in later rounds, for example.
How so?  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 8:57 am : link
.
We all know  
gmen9892 : 12/19/2014 8:57 am : link
That Reese likes to sign guys before the draft so his picks become much less of a NEED. What happens if we go out and sign a Torrey Smith or other solid WR. The attention immediately shifts. In a perfect scenario, we sign both a OL and WR and go BPA with the first pick.
RE: RE: How does this keep Eli off his ass?  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 8:57 am : link
In comment 12042418 barens said:
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In comment 12042165 Emlen'sGremlins said:


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And help get Jerry and Walton out of the starting lineup?



So drafting a rookie offensive lineman will keep Eli off his ass? I'm hoping for the Iowa OT, but really, expecting us to draft someone like a Zack Martin is really wishful thinking.


How so?
barens is saying  
JonC : 12/19/2014 9:01 am : link
it's not a safe bet to assume drafting any player means they'll step seamlessly into an NFL starting lineup.
RE: RE: RE: How does this keep Eli off his ass?  
Mike in NY : 12/19/2014 9:04 am : link
In comment 12042443 jeff57 said:
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In comment 12042418 barens said:


Quote:


In comment 12042165 Emlen'sGremlins said:


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And help get Jerry and Walton out of the starting lineup?



So drafting a rookie offensive lineman will keep Eli off his ass? I'm hoping for the Iowa OT, but really, expecting us to draft someone like a Zack Martin is really wishful thinking.



How so?


Despite the criticism of Pugh here he has probably had the best career of the 2013 1st Round OL. OL is not an easy position for a guy to come right in and be stellar
No thanks. Priority order should be OL, DL, LB, S  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 9:14 am : link
WR would be a dumb move there. I'd try to trade down if the best player left at 8 was a WR
RE: Marty, ever hear of UFA?  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 9:16 am : link
In comment 12042302 David in LA said:
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You can find OL help that takes less time to develop.


Really? Walton, Jerry, Schwartz, Brown, Baas?
I really hope our biggest needs are filled through FA  
sjnyfan : 12/19/2014 9:19 am : link
This draft really doesn't impress me. It's nowhere close to what we're seeing from what looks like an historic 2014 class.
Beyond stupid to draft another WR  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/19/2014 9:26 am : link
In RD 1.
Cap implications down the road and  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/19/2014 9:28 am : link
The never ending investment in one positon group over the rest of the team has hurt this team.

For the life of me the fantasy football mentality just doesn't stop.

How many championships has ATL won? Det. And why is Det even Winn I go now? Because their D is finally stepping up
Just cannot see another WR in round 1.....  
Simms11 : 12/19/2014 9:51 am : link
after drafting an all world receiver last year, there's no need. We do need a good complementary receiver to help OBJ and hopefully Cruz. I don't see Randle as that guy. He is just a lazy, undisciplined receiver IMO. Bring in a taller, move the chains type of vet. Possibly a guy that can take the top off of the defense.
IS HE  
old man : 12/19/2014 10:19 am : link
a mauler, or a good pass blocker?
Some really good things would have to happen in FA to get a Franklin, Bulaga, Iupati to actually be allowed to leave by their current team.
If we could get that to happen, fine; otherwise OL.
RE: Having 2 cost controlled WRs  
Blue Blood : 12/19/2014 10:19 am : link
In comment 12042194 UConn4523 said:
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for Eli to try for another titles over the next 3 or 4 years is such an underrated way to go. I'm by no means dismissing how important OL play is but the law of averages has to work one day when bringing in a FA or drafting guys in the 2nd or 3rd rounds (which is plenty high for C and G).

The draft isn't about year 1 it's about the next 3 or 4 years. Not investing a huge chunk of cap in 2 really good WRs would be a massive advantage.


This is a smart intelligent rational, thoughtful and insightful post..

It has no place on BBI...

Agree it has to be  
Carl in CT : 12/19/2014 10:24 am : link
OL or DL in the first. If some chance we have a brain fart I would rather have the safety from Alabama then another receiver. With the potential loss of Rolle and no one else in the other spot I could understand that pick. But I want OL or DL
Haha  
UConn4523 : 12/19/2014 10:25 am : link
I'm not saying I'm right, but there's certainly more than just using a 1st round pick on a G to fix your line.

I actually don't know much about Parker. But I'm all for WR, mainly if we have a shot at Cooper. Really don't care if it's me and 4 of my friends blocking if we go into 2015 with Beckham/Cooper/Cruz.

We will have cap to help with the OL. We won't have cap for another top target for Eli, however, which is why I'm not opposed to WR early.
Not antother receiver  
TMS : 12/19/2014 10:45 am : link
in the first round. We will end up with too many WRs like we did in the past. Then2/3 of them never see the field because of the glut. Next thing their initial contracts are running out and we do not know what we have. Reese has done this enough in the past. Hope he has learned. Beckum, Barden,Jernigan, were victims of this policy. Meanwhile our OL and DL depend on UDFA and late picks.
RE: Not antother receiver  
Blue Blood : 12/19/2014 11:02 am : link
In comment 12042641 TMS said:
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in the first round. We will end up with too many WRs like we did in the past. Then2/3 of them never see the field because of the glut. Next thing their initial contracts are running out and we do not know what we have. Reese has done this enough in the past. Hope he has learned. Beckum, Barden,Jernigan, were victims of this policy. Meanwhile our OL and DL depend on UDFA and late picks.


This is only an issue for Giants fans. Beckum Barden and Jernigan didnt see the field because of the glut at WR.. they didnt see the field because they SUCKED..

Why is it that teams like the Packers. Saints Denver etc etc can go three to four deep at receiver and spend quality picks in doing so.. but when it comes to the Giants its like....

OH NO.. dont get more than two quality receivers.. We have OBJ and a Cruz coming off a MAJOR injury and a sub par Randle and Parker.. thats enough.. we dont need any more receivers..
If we draft top 10  
beatrixkiddo : 12/19/2014 11:05 am : link
You go BPA despite position (with exception to QB). We have needs almost everywhere.

I think they can pick up some solid FA pieces this year in some key areas. One is a FA veteran WR. I want Randall Cobb, if too much grab someone like Torrey Smith. But I would make a run for Cobb, he is excellent insurance if Cruz doesn't return to form, and would be a perfect pairing with Beckham.

I'm not sure the Giants go after a top FA OL again, I just don't see them wanting to invest that much in the OL. While I would love someone like Franklin, I think they look for some other second tier guys to compete with a 2nd-3rd rd OL pick. Schwartz, Beatty, Pugh, and Richburg are good building blocks. get better depth behind them, and a mean OG/RT in this draft and FA.

On defense I would take most people's suggestions of replacing Rolle with McCourty. Unless you can resign Rolle cheap, then get both. They have Berhe, and Taylor as depth. Bring back Thurmond, extend Prince to a long term deal and this secondary remains a strong point.

The market for JPP will be interesting, I think he will do better with a competent DC, but if he prices himself in the same category as Suh, who do you target? I think I try and keep the guy who has been a Giant here. They need to get another LB to play along with Kennard, and bring in a young DT to add to the mix. DE needs depth as well.

OL  
Mike in NY : 12/19/2014 11:08 am : link
As I go back and look at players there is only one OL that I see as being worthy of a Top 10-15 draft pick - A. Peat of Stanford. While Collins I probably have next on my list he is more of a player that I would look at it in a trade down because I think he may be better off being a RT in the NFL and Peat is the only one that screams blue goose LT to me
RE: Haha  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 11:12 am : link
In comment 12042604 UConn4523 said:
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I'm not saying I'm right, but there's certainly more than just using a 1st round pick on a G to fix your line.

I actually don't know much about Parker. But I'm all for WR, mainly if we have a shot at Cooper. Really don't care if it's me and 4 of my friends blocking if we go into 2015 with Beckham/Cooper/Cruz.

We will have cap to help with the OL. We won't have cap for another top target for Eli, however, which is why I'm not opposed to WR early.


Great idea. 4 WRs and no QB would be the worst case result. And you will have mediocrity at best. If they don't have a good OL, they will be on the 7-9 to 9-7 treadmill. No consistency. They'll have some amazing games and numbers against other mediocre teams and lose the tough ones.
I'd be shocked if NYG spent big $ on a S again  
JonC : 12/19/2014 11:13 am : link
Rolle was a pretty unique player and situation, out of character signing for NYG.

Victor  
JonC : 12/19/2014 11:18 am : link
You need to realize there's a good chance they address the OL via UFA, freeing themselves up for the draft.
this regime  
BigBlueCane : 12/19/2014 11:30 am : link
has a very mixed track record of using FA to plug holes.
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