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A fun season. Getting into stuff like this on a personal level will dive one of you away. That would be stupid

In comment 12054421 DanMetroMan said:

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lets just agree to fight all year. It's too much effort trying to get along with you. Deal?

lol. My god dude.

have to go eat pie and get yelled at by my boss and girlfriend at the same time. Happy Holidays, let's fight again tomorrow! yes!

were signed as IFA's within weeks of each other and they were two of the more prominent international free agent signings. Joffrey Marte signed the same off-season. Marte might have even been the highest rated of the three at one point. He got a 500k signing bonus. Flores got 750k. Puello got 400k I believe.

I miss those days.

But...when you read back to the scouting reports announcing the signings and even after Flores excelled in the appalachian league as like a 16 year old no one expected him to remain at SS.

I hope he sticks there, and there is reason to believe he could be ok, but to say there aren't questions is optimistic and I wouldn't argue with someone who classifies him as a project.

In comment 12054426 Headhunter said:

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A fun season. Getting into stuff like this on a personal level will dive one of you away. That would be stupid

I'm actually really excited for the season that's the silly part. I just don't see the need to be "personal". We are discussing the Mets... in the offseason... regarding prospect status! lol I think Wilmer will hit, we will see if he can handle SS... just not more Tejada. Please.

In comment 12054431 pjcas18 said:

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were signed as IFA's within weeks of each other and they were two of the more prominent international free agent signings. Joffrey Marte signed the same off-season. Marte might have even been the highest rated of the three at one point. He got a 500k signing bonus. Flores got 750k. Puello got 400k I believe. I miss those days. But...when you read back to the scouting reports announcing the signings and even after Flores excelled in the appalachian league as like a 16 year old no one expected him to remain at SS. I hope he sticks there, and there is reason to believe he could be ok, but to say there aren't questions is optimistic and I wouldn't argue with someone who classifies him as a project.

PJ,
I know you are consistently interested in Puello and I posted Kiley McDaniel's answer about him but I couldn't really understand his answer.

to get personal(never knew I did). Ill try to not try to ask how Dan's days are going anymore. You never know what riot might issue!!

Kiley, your write-up on Puello didn’t mention the sporadic (at best) playing time he received in 2014 to the benefit of Quad A types like Brandon Allen and Anthony Seratelli. This has been a bit of a mystery amongst Mets prospect watchers; did any of the sources you talked to shed some light on that? Did Puello piss off Wally? Fall out of favor with the FO? Pour sugar in Paul Depodesta’s gas tank?


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Kiley McDaniel:
It wasn’t a bunch of glowing recommendations, more like a stern father of a kid that hasn’t met his potential, ending every sentence by throwing his hands up in the air and saying “anything could still happen, who knows?”

(The second part implies the Mets were frustrated... behaviorally? We hadn't really heard anything about that. The first part implies the scouting reports weren't good... the whole answer seems disjointed/confusing).

In comment 12054434 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12054426 Headhunter said: Quote: A fun season. Getting into stuff like this on a personal level will dive one of you away. That would be stupid I'm actually really excited for the season that's the silly part. I just don't see the need to be "personal". We are discussing the Mets... in the offseason... regarding prospect status! lol I think Wilmer will hit, we will see if he can handle SS... just not more Tejada. Please.

We are all in agreement with that and all of us are just about on the same page with everything. The Mets are going to be good this year. No point arguing on stupid shit like is Flores a top 100 prospect or a top 50 for no reason whatsoever. You knew what my overall point was and that was that both of these guys should be getting an opportunity both with what they did last year and what they've done in the minors. At least in terms of what other options are available.

never wanted Didi (though for the price I would have taken him), I like Miller but sounds like the asking price is sky high. I really don't want Asdrubal Cabrera for one year and "wait till next year". Desmond would be pretty sweet in the off-season if Flores can't handle it.

DMMM - did you really lose 90 lbs in a year and a half? Holy crap, congrats. Takes a lot of effort and discipline - share your secrets if you don't mind. Seriously, never knew that - congrats.

is one of the more surprising non-stories I can remember in Mets world in a long time.

Why wouldn't every beat writer continually ask the FO and even Wally about it?

He came off a potential career-path-altering 2013 - and then biogenesis fallout, and to come back to persona non grata status. He was losing at-bats to Cory Vaughn who the Mets waived (and then for some reason re-signed).

I expected some reason to be given and never got it, and that answer like you say doesn't help provide one.

In comment 12054445 Shecky said:

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DMMM - did you really lose 90 lbs in a year and a half? Holy crap, congrats. Takes a lot of effort and discipline - share your secrets if you don't mind. Seriously, never knew that - congrats.

Shecky,
Yeah. Thanks. Quit drinking soda 100% (replaced it with seltzer and water), avoid pizza and pasta (though once in a while I have it), replaced "bad" snacks with veggies and nuts and I go to the gym 3-4 times a week. I had no miracle diet, I don't count calories or anything. I just try and be smart.

In all his years in theMets system, have you ever heard one good comment about him by anyone inside or outside the organization? He is insanely toolsy, and could see him somewhat blossoming somewhere else. But he is the crazy talented kid in little league that no one wanted on their team.

Look at Nimmo as the perfect contrast. He doesn't eventually want to be a Met. He is already preparing for starting and being successful one day. I don't think Puello is capable if ever thinking that far ahead...

(and both would have to check out physically in spring training or into the season) for a package around Syndergaard I can't think of anybody I'd rather have at SS over Flores. This constant pissing and moaning about him every day however is getting so tired. The team is pretty much set. It has been for a while. There are really no holes on this team. We need to find a taker for Gee and add some minor league depth ala Dice-K/Lannan types. That's about it.

In comment 12054448 pjcas18 said:

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is one of the more surprising non-stories I can remember in Mets world in a long time. Why wouldn't every beat writer continually ask the FO and even Wally about it? He came off a potential career-path-altering 2013 - and then biogenesis fallout, and to come back to persona non grata status. He was losing at-bats to Cory Vaughn who the Mets waived (and then for some reason re-signed). I expected some reason to be given and never got it, and that answer like you say doesn't help provide one.

kiley is actually a fantastic prospect writer too. I just don't understand his answer at all.

In comment 12054455 Shecky said:

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In all his years in theMets system, have you ever heard one good comment about him by anyone inside or outside the organization? He is insanely toolsy, and could see him somewhat blossoming somewhere else. But he is the crazy talented kid in little league that no one wanted on their team. Look at Nimmo as the perfect contrast. He doesn't eventually want to be a Met. He is already preparing for starting and being successful one day. I don't think Puello is capable if ever thinking that far ahead...

The thing that eats at me regarding Puello is that we don't know if his 2013 was steroid related or not. The Biogenesis plant closed down the year prior and I highly doubt he was roiding out in 2013 with a spotlight on him knowing a suspension was about to be handed down. He played inconsistently last year but he still mashed lefties. He's is also playing very well in the winter leagues. He's out of options and its going to hurt if he turns into the player he was in 2013 with somebody else.

I think you're overstating the pissing and moaning about Flores.

Maybe one person on the thread pissed or moaned about him.

I think 100% of the Mets fans on here prefer Flores all season long with no adjustment as the starter over Tejada and anyone else on the roster.

That being said many people would support a trade for Tulo.

I don't consider that pissing and moaning.

When the GM sums up his support for Flores at SS as "I wouldn't panic if Flores was the opening day SS" I'd say the fans have reacted to the prospect of that happening very well.

mention Puello as somebody who would be in the mix in spring training although I see no purpose of him making the team with Mayberry Jr. I guess if Puello was on fire in spring training, we COULD send Cambell back to AAA although I don't think that would be ideal.

In comment 12054463 pjcas18 said:

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I think you're overstating the pissing and moaning about Flores. Maybe one person on the thread pissed or moaned about him. I think 100% of the Mets fans on here prefer Flores all season long with no adjustment as the starter over Tejada and anyone else on the roster. That being said many people would support a trade for Tulo. I don't consider that pissing and moaning. When the GM sums up his support for Flores at SS as "I wouldn't panic if Flores was the opening day SS" I'd say the fans have reacted to the prospect of that happening very well.

Well I agree that YOU feel that way but I don't think you are speaking for everyone here. Also the constant comments about needing more upgrades mostly all derive around SS. There is nowhere else really to make a move. The entire roster is set. And its the best roster we've had since 2008!

(not Vegas) had a .950 OPS.

Granderson and Cuddyer block him, and he's still young enough you want him to play every day, but I'd take a long look at him in spring training.

However, he's 24 around opening day and he's probably player #38 or #39 on the 40-man so at some point they need to figure out he's part of the solution going forward or showcase him for a trade.

Sitting him in Vegas - behind the likes of Cory Vaughn is stupid IMO.

since the mid-80's, but the lineup still isn't as good as 2009.

Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, Pagan, Sheffield, it was just a better lineup.

injuries killed that lineup.

In comment 12054473 pjcas18 said:

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(not Vegas) had a .950 OPS. Granderson and Cuddyer block him, and he's still young enough you want him to play every day, but I'd take a long look at him in spring training. However, he's 24 around opening day and he's probably player #38 or #39 on the 40-man so at some point they need to figure out he's part of the solution going forward or showcase him for a trade. Sitting him in Vegas - behind the likes of Cory Vaughn is stupid IMO.

PJ. He is out of options. He either has to make the 25 man or he's gone.

In comment 12054477 pjcas18 said:

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since the mid-80's, but the lineup still isn't as good as 2009. Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, Pagan, Sheffield, it was just a better lineup. injuries killed that lineup.

No of course not but that lineup was still living off one of the best lineups in the history of the Mets in that 2006-2008 era. Those days are gone and we don't need anywhere near that lineup in todays MLB. We have a very solid lineup for todays game.

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In comment 12054473 pjcas18 said: Quote: (not Vegas) had a .950 OPS. Granderson and Cuddyer block him, and he's still young enough you want him to play every day, but I'd take a long look at him in spring training. However, he's 24 around opening day and he's probably player #38 or #39 on the 40-man so at some point they need to figure out he's part of the solution going forward or showcase him for a trade. Sitting him in Vegas - behind the likes of Cory Vaughn is stupid IMO. PJ. He is out of options. He either has to make the 25 man or he's gone.

I read that, but I also read he cannot refuse an outright assignment. What does that mean?

to waivers which means anyone could claim him(and I believe somebody would). If he's not claimed we could outright him to AAA and he can't refuse.

but hopefully this year they won't be the most entertaining part of baseball season.

And I think this is conservative not pie in the sky/best case scenario.
Career average offensive years from Duda,Granderson,Wright,Cuddyer, and Murphy. League average(100 wRC+) years from TDA and Lagares, and 10% below average from Flores(90 wRC+).
Odds are some guys deviate from career norms, such as Wright(under), Duda(over), so they offset. Good chance Travis is better, perhaps significantly, than average(over) while lagares may slip a little(under, his BABIP was likely unsustainable in '14).
So in aggregate, a team with a wRC+ in the 96-97 range, good for 5th in the league.The obvious key is Wright not being a 100 wRC+ hitter again-we'll need 115, minimum, but we should be able to get that. The other less-noted key is the swing in production from the tandem of CY/EYJ to Cudyer/Mayberry. Huge swing expected there, accounting for several points of team wRC+.

1. Justin Upton, .812 OPS over past 3 seasons, .753 road, 15 million $ in 2015, then a free agent, high K Totals against, package cost recent 1st rounder Max Fried among others...
2. Wil Myers, .724 OPS so far, .748 on the road, coming off wrist injury, high K totals against, Package cost last year's 1st rounder Trea Turner among several others.
3. Matt Kemp, .842 OPS so far, .869 on the road (including 1.042 in over 100 AB at Coors), package included 2010 1st rounder Yasmani Grandal among others. He'll cost the Padres 15 million in 2015 and the 4 years after that - while hoping his body holds up.
4. Cuddyer has the lowest K rate among these 4, the highest OPS (.887) total, the 2nd highest road OPS (.795 with most road games in extreme pitcher parks), will cost the 2nd lowest money total over the next two years and also only cost one young prospect instead of 3+ and the lowest 1st rounder of the 4...

obviously I expect Flores to do better then (90 wRC+) but for the sake of argument and being realistic Ill put him at below leave average just to appease everyone.

some advanced stat?

by most metrics they were 8 or so in the NL, so you have to figure modest improvements by Wright and Grandy and Flores over Tejada gets you there.

I can see top 5 NL lineup.

5 players career averages, taking league average from TDA and Lagares and adding up Flores at 90 wRC+. That puts us around 5th. I actually think we can do a lot better than that, but that's just a logical conclusion based on the information we have available.

110 wRC+. The Pirates finished at 108. The Giants finished at 101. The Nationals finished at 99 and the Rockies finished at 98. The Cardinals finished at 95.

Acting conservatively, we should be in the 96-97 range which would put us in the top 5 -6.

Flores, Kirk (which is why MDD might have trouble making the team) and I believe Mejia are out of options. Gee actually has an option left but no way is 5 million sitting in LV.

In comment 12054579 DanMetroMan said:

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Flores, Kirk (which is why MDD might have trouble making the team) and I believe Mejia are out of options. Gee actually has an option left but no way is 5 million sitting in LV.

Yeah I don't think MDD is making the team and I'm actually happy about it. Kirk was great in a part time role last year and I think showed he can excel in pinch hitting . MDD in my mind still has an outside shot at being a regular, so I prefer him in AAA playing every day. The second an injury occurs I would call up MDD to start(over Kirk) actually.

why I am so optimistic. No more EYJ and Chrs Young types. No more Rick Ankiels. If an injury strikes we go to MDD, Kirk, Herrera, Reynolds, and Plawecki and even Nimmo possibly later on?

What about the rotation? Would anyone here cry if Colon or Neise got hurt and we had to go with Montero/Thor earlier then expected? I know I wouldn't.

doubt Thor would get the call unless it were an emergency. Super Two etc etc. Montero is probably "next" and after him I suspect there will be some turdy Lannan type stashed in Vegas, maybe even Torres as an option too. I still expect one of Gee or Niese to be dealt even for an underwhelming return.

one to get traded as well. Im just saying(unless its in the first month and a complete catastrophe) I don't have any issues with guys like Colon and Neise getting injured in 2015. We have plenty of high end depth unlike previous years.

As for Syndergaard and Super 2 it depends on the situation. Sandy has said its an important factor but not the ONLY factor and he'd have no problem calling a player up before it if need be. If Colon stubs his toe and misses one game, of course you aren't calling up Thor before Super 2 but if god forbid Wheeler goes down with Tommy John in the second game, maybe you do. At least that's what I've gathered.

I wish I had his optimism. But I dont see how we have a top 5 offense. We'd need a lot of best case scenarios to happen.

I just broke it down man. That's with nobody having a best case scenario.

That's with everyone having an average year and I erred to the extreme caution on the younger players sides.

Expecting to gain a few points in wRC+ replacing the worst LF production in MLB with a VERY potent bat(if healthy) in Cuddyer, replacing Tejada with an even a slightly below league average option at SS in Flores, and replacing even a mediocre Wright opposed to the abomination at third last year isn't at all unrealistic.

Its like player fatigue or something. If we were acquiring somebody else's Murphy we'd all be thrilled sighting what a great hitter he's been. If we acquired Tulo (aka David Wright) we'd be looking over his recent injury past and age and sighting all his past successes. If we acquired somebody else's Duda, we would be dancing in the streets at finally adding a real power bat. If we acquired a Miller (Flores) we'd be looking at his offensive upside and ignoring his questionable defensive abilities. Grass is always greener I guess...

1.) Denard Span
2.) Chase Utley
3.) Adrian Beltre
4.) Albert Pujols
5.) Matt Kemp
6.) Ryan Braun
7.) Yadier Molina
8.) Starlin Castro

1.) Denard Span( identical WAR with Lagares at 3.8 in 14)
2.) Chase Utley (Utley .746 OPS/Murphy .736) Add one extra win for Utley's defense
3.) Adrian Beltre( 5.8 WAR/ Wright 7.8 in 2012, 6.0 in 2013)
4.) Albert Pujols(3.3 WAR, .790 OPS/Duda 3.0 WAR, .830 OPS)
5.) Matt Kemp(.852 OPS, 1.8 WAR/Cuddyer 1.5 WAR in only 50 games!)
6.) Ryan Braun(1.2 WAR, .777 OPS/ Granderson .815 lifetime OPS average)
7.) Yadier Molina(TDA Steamer 2.9 WAR, OPS .744/ Molina 3.1 WAR OPS .719
8.) Starlin Castro( Castro 2.1 WAR .729 OPS/Steamer Flores 2.5 WAR .696 OPS)

Obviously not exact and just rough estimates but I think you can get the point.

but to the extent Starlin Castro shot someone in a nightclub, Im a solid pass.


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they would of traded Syndergaard Plawecki Montero & Familia for Castro . Maybe things are turning around

In comment 12055390 Headhunter said:

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they would of traded Syndergaard Plawecki Montero & Familia for Castro . Maybe things are turning around

That's true. They may havev thrown in a bit more

has been cleared

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has been cleared

Where do you see this being reported?

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In comment 12055397 Headhunter said: Quote: has been cleared Where do you see this being reported?

The LI kee at I les says he was cleared. But from an incident a few weeks. The article also makes it clear they aren't sure if he was arrested, detained or completely innocent in this incident.

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I saw the agent's statements. Not sure I believe them. Obviously he has an agenda and isnt on the scene. The agent's story doesnt make sense -- who goes to the police station to just report that they were not involved in a crime? And if the police really had video and told Castro that they know he wasnt involved, why did the police spokesperson say that Castro's home was searched?

I have no idea what happened, but this story isnt 100% buttoned up yet.