NFT: Heyman: Mets & Rockies quiety working on Tulowitzki deal

teams, but until we know how much COL is asking for and if they are willing to pick up any money its hard to guess if its possible or not. Obviously the 5-10 percent comment isnt promising but im guessing big deals like this always start off with a low percentage of completion. As far as we know COL is asking for Noah, Nimmo, Plawecki, etc.. and not willing to pick up any of the remaining money. If thats the case im sure the mets arent feeling confident that a deal is going to happen.

Thor as centerpiece is fine. Gee as another piece also fine. Add in a guy like Reynolds or Plawecki, ok (or their equivalent). But more than that and it starts becoming excessive considering the money they'd also be taking on.

His contract isn't unreasonable and if they're confident he's healthy now, you go for it and don't look back. Even with the injuries he's had 5+ WAR in 5 of the past 6 seasons. But you can't give up 3-4 of your top 5 prospects for any single player unless it's a guy like Stanton.

at SS to be a piece you can count on moving forward.

Coming off hip surgery, batted .250 away from Coors last year, makes way too much money and over 30. Who cares what he batted at Citi last year, how many games was that. Could be a potential disaster, but I guess when you're desperate ala the Mets...

but Tulowitzki is one of the best players in the game when healthy and a true MVP candidate. Not too many of those become available, let alone at age 30 on a reasonable contract (basically the equivalent of the deal Hanley just got, except he plays a GG shortstop).

5 WAR+ in 5 of the past 6 seasons. Though if there are any signs of chronic injury you can't do it.

really willing to add $20 million to the payroll? Maybe if Gee is in the deal, which takes about $5 mil off of the books, and/or the Rockies kick in some money it could happen.

none of whom are on the books for next year, and would theoretically vacate about 25M dollars from this year's payroll.

It stands to reason Gee would be in the trade since the Rox have been interested in him all along. Trading Murphy somewhere to recoup prospects and save $ would make sense considering they could slot in Flores or Herrera. Colon doesn't make sense to trade since you won't get much back, but if they needed the money for Tulo then so be it.

that deal doesn't happen

ask the Yankees about paying a guy 20 million per for six years when his production is in decline.

and it wasn't much beyond Syndergaard and COL ate some cash.

So, yeah, a trade in favor of the Mets.

Otherwise they're a SS away from contending with all their prospects still here and I'd see if Flores can be the guy at SS for half a season before dealing thor.

I'm not saying Flores can be Tulo, but he might be good enough.

a Jeff Wilpon "see? we're not cheap" leak if there ever was one.

In this type of deal I trust Alderson to appropriately negotiate a good deal, and if the Rox are being unreasonable and it doesn't happen so be it. If the medicals suck, fine. But the 100M shouldn't be the reason this deal doesn't happen. Tulowitzki is worth 200M on the open market if he's healthy, so the contract isn't nuts and is certainly worth the gamble.

Did not come from the Mets. They have been as tight lipped as possible all offseason.

It's time to make a move.

I've wavered on this a lot but I want Tulo. Go get him. Fucking excite the fan base.

Signing Cuddyer and going home isn't going to cut it. At some point you need to go for it and say "we plan on being a factor this year"

Make it happen.

happening per Rubin


NEW YORK -- The Mets and Rockies have engaged in some talks this offseason regarding Troy Tulowitzki, but a well-placed source told ESPNNewYork.com the chances of something ever materializing are 5 percent at best.

No talks are believed to have been overly recent. And an insider said the Mets fans clamoring for a Tulo acquisition would go "bat s---" if they knew the package the Rockies wanted for Tulowitzki.

The comment came in response to a CBSSports.com report about dialogue between the Mets and Rockies. That report acknowledged the chances of a trade between the clubs involving Tulowitzki were "slim."

of the writers just told me the Rockies want Syndergaard and at least 3 of Matz, Herrera, Nimmo and Conforto + Gee or Niese. Jesus lol

if he (likely) remains injury prone.

Especially since this is a franchise that will say "well we have Tulo. We can't really spend on anything else."

Just know that this is probably THE big move for a while, and if it remains a bad situation, they're completely screwed long term.

Well, if they're going to be completely unrealistic.. fuck it.

They can't expect the Mets to give up THAT much. Maybe the price comes down a bit. If not, too bad.

is a silly quote

"And an insider said the Mets fans clamoring for a Tulo acquisition would go "bat s---" if they knew the package the Rockies wanted for Tulowitzki."

Fans don't go "bat shit" over asking prices. They go "bat shit" over actually giving it up.

If Niese and Gee are two of the "three of", I'd probably do it though.

Syndergaard, Nimmo, Niese, Gee and maybe one other piece. That I would do.

If Thor is getting moved I am not moving Matz in the same deal, though. I want to keep Conforto and Herrera as well.

I know what you are saying but the writer specifically said as of now the Niese or Gee part is like a throw-in. They want Thor and 3 "big" other pieces + one of them.

Is that Jon Heyman you are quoting by any chance??

would be a no-brainer but also unrealistic. The Mets would LOVE such a deal. Tulo would only be adding 8 million in 2015 salary in such a deal.

In comment 12042634 deboGIANTS said:

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Is that Jon Heyman you are quoting by any chance??

While I used to speak to Heyman on AIM I haven't spoken to him in a while. I often repeat the story of how his wife bought me an Ipod but no, it was one of the beat guys.

In comment 12042637 DanMetroMan said:

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would be a no-brainer but also unrealistic. The Mets would LOVE such a deal. Tulo would only be adding 8 million in 2015 salary in such a deal.

That's why I'd do it!

It's def unrealistic, though. I just above all would not move Thor and Matz in the same deal. One, sure. Both? Nah.

Outside of Thor, Matz and Conforto are the two guys I really don't want to move.

that was crazy

I haven't read up on him much but I thought he was seriously hurt last season? Sure would be nice if the Mets got some type of insurance built into the trade based on number of games played next season.

I'd give Thor in a millisecond in a Tulo deal. I just want to go on record as being pro deal DEPENDING on the deal. I'd give up Thor + 1 of the other big name prospects other than Matz plus 2 of the "tier 2" guys if need be.

In comment 12042646 steve in ky said:

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I haven't read up on him much but I thought he was seriously hurt last season? Sure would be nice if the Mets got some type of insurance built into the trade based on number of games played next season.

Can't rework deals however and I don't think I've ever seen a trade where teams get more money if a guy players less. He's supposed to be ready for ST.

Flores, Nimmo, Cecchini + Gee or Niese for Tulo, Rex Brothers, Ramiel Tapia and cash. Do it up.

In comment 12042652 DanMetroMan said:

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Flores, Nimmo, Cecchini + Gee or Niese for Tulo, Rex Brothers, Ramiel Tapia and cash. Do it up.

Sign me up for that.

In comment 12042492 Italianju said:

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teams, but until we know how much COL is asking for and if they are willing to pick up any money its hard to guess if its possible or not. Obviously the 5-10 percent comment isnt promising but im guessing big deals like this always start off with a low percentage of completion. As far as we know COL is asking for Noah, Nimmo, Plawecki, etc.. and not willing to pick up any of the remaining money. If thats the case im sure the mets arent feeling confident that a deal is going to happen.

Makes no sense for the Mets. You want to risk that kind of money. Risk it on that Cuban kid

I was thinking less about the money and more about which or how many players are included. Make some of the players to be named later once a certain percentage of the season is done based on how many games he was healthy enough to play in.

Tulo is a great player, no doubt, but taking on his contract just by itself is a huge risk.

On top of that the Rockies want to back up the truck to our farm system and take all our best players plus some valuable MLB arms on top of it? Who would agree to such a thing?

In comment 12042656 steve in ky said:

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I was thinking less about the money and more about which or how many players are included. Make some of the players to be named later once a certain percentage of the season is done based on how many games he was healthy enough to play in.

steve
In theory that makes sense but I'm not sure it's really "legal" since you don't ever see it happen. His health is the #1 concern for sure.

and go get a guy whose body is older than his actual age b/c he's going to breakdown.

is going wild. As I said ont he other thread Middlebrooks has been a bust but that's a nice gamble. Very nice.

one of the stud Cubs shortshops over Tulo, any day.

If we trade for him, he will get hurt and end up making Jason Bay look like a good player for us.
I think its just too much of a risk for an aging player with a hip injury. If it was wrist or ankle fine, but hips injuries can be tricky.

contention is going to be very tough for the Mets even if they do improve by a few wins.

Nats are clearly the class of the NL East (any debate stating otherwise is homerism).

Marlins are roughly the same caliber of team as the Mets (2 less wins last year, added more in the off-season)

Braves on paper are worse

Phillies on paper are awful


Cardinals and Pirates are both better than the Mets both in record and talent (hard to debate either one), I think the Brewers were a fluke and may suck this year but the Cubs should certainly be better (Lester, year 2 for a lot of their young talent), Reds could go either way.

Giants, Dodgers and Padres should all be better than the Mets.

It's not impossible the Mets compete for the playoffs but they will need a lot of luck in their favor.

In comment 12042697 spike said:

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one of the stud Cubs shortshops over Tulo, any day.

You want to give me Wheeler for Baez?

for Russell and you have a deal.

I hate to say it but the Marlins are going to be a problem.

Writers starting to take them to task re: not spending money (Carig), more deals going down they aren't part of, writer with sources to the Wilpons gets whiff now, after months of negotiations kept quiet and just after Sandy once again said unlikely to do anything until January. Oh well, at least they are considering it.

Heyman says the financial part would have to be similar to Kemp deal (but that hasn't been discussed yet) and the Rockies have backed off their initially crazy demands. I personally think the Rox want to move him and there's a chance this could happen. Gee + Thor + Reynolds/Plawecki would be as good as any package given up for any of the bigger names this offseason so I have a hard time believing the price will be much higher than that all things considered ($, injuries).

In comment 12042725 Eric on Li said:

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Writers starting to take them to task re: not spending money (Carig), more deals going down they aren't part of, writer with sources to the Wilpons gets whiff now, after months of negotiations kept quiet and just after Sandy once again said unlikely to do anything until January. Oh well, at least they are considering it. Heyman says the financial part would have to be similar to Kemp deal (but that hasn't been discussed yet) and the Rockies have backed off their initially crazy demands. I personally think the Rox want to move him and there's a chance this could happen. Gee + Thor + Reynolds/Plawecki would be as good as any package given up for any of the bigger names this offseason so I have a hard time believing the price will be much higher than that all things considered ($, injuries).

Eric,
Rubin checked in this morning and said the Mets sources told him the price would make the Mets fans "bat shit" so I'm sure the price is still sky high. Interestingly both BA and Sickels downplayed Reynolds despite his big year. Eddy actually praised him but said he saw him as a 2b who can occasionally play some SS, compared him to Mark Ellis offensively.

wonder if the Mets point to a potential Gee/Brothers deal as "proof" they were trying for Tulo. "See we traded with the Rockies!". I like Brothers but part of me wishes they would stop worrying about an MLB return and get the best possible talent. McMahon, Tapia, Anderson etc.

Thor, Wilmer, Niese, Nimmo, Plawecki, Whalen for Tulo, Brothers and Dahl OMG! (jk).

Correction: 3 pickups from voters who omitted Piazza a year ago, 1 drop.

In comment 12042732 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12042725 Eric on Li said: Quote: Writers starting to take them to task re: not spending money (Carig), more deals going down they aren't part of, writer with sources to the Wilpons gets whiff now, after months of negotiations kept quiet and just after Sandy once again said unlikely to do anything until January. Oh well, at least they are considering it. Heyman says the financial part would have to be similar to Kemp deal (but that hasn't been discussed yet) and the Rockies have backed off their initially crazy demands. I personally think the Rox want to move him and there's a chance this could happen. Gee + Thor + Reynolds/Plawecki would be as good as any package given up for any of the bigger names this offseason so I have a hard time believing the price will be much higher than that all things considered ($, injuries). Eric, Rubin checked in this morning and said the Mets sources told him the price would make the Mets fans "bat shit" so I'm sure the price is still sky high. Interestingly both BA and Sickels downplayed Reynolds despite his big year. Eddy actually praised him but said he saw him as a 2b who can occasionally play some SS, compared him to Mark Ellis offensively.

Rubin also admitted the 5% chance is a huge upgrade from what he'd earlier heard (not happening), so clearly there was some deception going on - which has been common for Alderson and his team. There's really only 1 person in the Mets org. not under Sandy's control and that's who I believe leaked this story.

I also believe that talks have not been that serious and Sandy has been waiting out the Rox for their price to drop - just like he attempted to do with Justin Upton/AZ 2 years ago. Maybe check back in January to see if there's any traction in the ballpark of what he's willing to deal. I do think the pieces on the board setup well for something to materialize then.

the Mets really made a bunch of "secret" moves? We 100% knew they liked Cuddyer and then signed Cuddyer. We knew last year they wanted one of the bigger OF's (Choo was the guy people kept saying) and landed cheaper Granderson. Seems to me the Mets are pretty "clear" what they intend on doing. I think Rubin tweeted the Mets have traded for 4 MLB players (aka non-prospects) in Sandy's tenure here? Is that accurate? wow.

Hanigan for Middlebrooks and then sign Ross to replace Hanigan. Really nice move