NFT: Heyman: Mets & Rockies quiety working on Tulowitzki deal

starts getting national recognition next year as one of baseballs best bats. 35 homeruns.

from his just posted column ...

Quote:

The new Padres GM did for San Diego what the old Padres GM (Sandy Alderson) has refused to do for the Mets – use a deep farm system to upgrade the offense and elevate the excitement around what had been a dormant franchise. We will see which executive played his prospect cards best. It is not often the champion of

Link - ( New Window )

Whats' going on there?

hasn't been cleared to work in the US

I haven't really been following it that closely.

In comment 12043682 sphinx said:

Quote:

from his just posted column ... Quote: The new Padres GM did for San Diego what the old Padres GM (Sandy Alderson) has refused to do for the Mets – use a deep farm system to upgrade the offense and elevate the excitement around what had been a dormant franchise. We will see which executive played his prospect cards best. It is not often the champion of Link - ( New Window )

We tried that approach in the early 2000s. Sure was EXCITING getting Robbie Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Jeromy Burntitz. Sure made things sizzle when we were down to the wire with Juan Gonzalez.

Who is seriously playing CF for the Padres? Im confused. Myers?? Speaking of Myers, he was having a horrible season offensively long before he got hurt last year. Can Kemp stay healthy? I heard very recently on this board he can only play DH and not even corner outfield he is so bad. Their infield is weak. Their new all-star catcher doesn't look to be any better then TDA who bats 7th in our lineup. Their rotation is ok I guess. Nothing to blow your skirt up.

In comment 12043691 arcarsenal said:

Quote:

I haven't really been following it that closely.

That's up in the air timeline wise. It's expected to happen though, just a matter of when. MLB has cleared him, the justice department (or whatever the US department that does that) has not.

is playing CF. Some speculation Myers will head to Texas for Profar. I love the return TB got for Myers. Souza and Burch Smith + Ott? I'm still not clear how they got so much in that deal but good for them. Rene Rivera is solid as well.

In comment 12043695 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

is playing CF. Some speculation Myers will head to Texas for Profar. I love the return TB got for Myers. Souza and Burch Smith + Ott? I'm still not clear how they got so much in that deal but good for them. Rene Rivera is solid as well.

Well that would make more sense then I guess. Thanks. Guess we'll see.

Smith was viewed as one of the most intriguing minor league pitchers in 2013, got hurt but I really, really like him and Souza could be a star.

If they can't find a middle ground with Colorado on Tulo (doesn't seem like they will) I wish they'd just go all in on Moncada. It makes too much sense.

I'd hate to have been dead on all the way back in like September when I said the Mets would sign Cuddyer, bill that as their "big move" and do just about nothing else.. it's unfortunately starting to look like that's exactly what's going to happen. Oh, Mets...

sucked in his MLB debut but still K'ed 46 in 36.1 innings. Love the TB deal for them.

In comment 12042614 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

of the writers just told me the Rockies want Syndergaard and at least 3 of Matz, Herrera, Nimmo and Conforto + Gee or Niese. Jesus lol

that's excessive id do thor,Gee, 1 of the other prospects listed and a lower level not top 10 but id want them picking up at least 25mil over the contract

In comment 12042652 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

Flores, Nimmo, Cecchini + Gee or Niese for Tulo, Rex Brothers, Ramiel Tapia and cash. Do it up.

done

In comment 12043693 ZGiants98 said:

Quote:

In comment 12043682 sphinx said: Quote: from his just posted column ... Quote: The new Padres GM did for San Diego what the old Padres GM (Sandy Alderson) has refused to do for the Mets – use a deep farm system to upgrade the offense and elevate the excitement around what had been a dormant franchise. We will see which executive played his prospect cards best. It is not often the champion of Link - ( New Window ) We tried that approach in the early 2000s. Sure was EXCITING getting Robbie Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Jeromy Burntitz. Sure made things sizzle when we were down to the wire with Juan Gonzalez. Who is seriously playing CF for the Padres? Im confused. Myers?? Speaking of Myers, he was having a horrible season offensively long before he got hurt last year. Can Kemp stay healthy? I heard very recently on this board he can only play DH and not even corner outfield he is so bad. Their infield is weak. Their new all-star catcher doesn't look to be any better then TDA who bats 7th in our lineup. Their rotation is ok I guess. Nothing to blow your skirt up.

Mets traded Kevin Appier for Mo Vaughn, Burnitz was acquired for sa bag of balls, and Alomar was acquired for prospects, none of whom worked out.

those three are not examples of using the farm system to better the team IMO.

Johan Santana is, and I think that worked out ok.

Not saying I'd unload the farm - for anyone right now, but your examples aren't great.

not trying to get into one of my famous fights with Zgiants but the Alomar trade specifically I would make 100/100 times. Dude was MVP caliber good the year prior, whatever the hell happened I have no idea but that's a trade you have to make EVERY time. I remember Francesa said it was like the Knicks adding Kobe Bryant lol

In comment 12043563 Deej said:

Quote:

is to make it a 3 team trade where some of the assets going to COL for Tulo come from a 3rd team that gets Murphy. Tulo at SS and Flores/Herrera at 2B.

maybe SF

trade one I'd make 100 times out of 100.

Both (Santana and Alomar) just so happen to have been trades where the Mets gave up prospects that didn't work out (for the acquiring team). Carlos Gomez might have proven to be even more valuable than Santana, but unfortunately for MIN he was a late bloomer. Even Humbers perfect game came 3 clubs later.

is about to fill their 3b spot so they have no room for Murphy

officially a Giant so Murphy won't be a Giant in 2015

..

Coming off one of his best years in 2001, he just lost it.

He also retired at age 36 with 2700+ hits. He batted .260 each of his last 3 years. Surprising he didn't hang around to reach 3000 hits.

In comment 12043740 CGiants07 said:

Quote:

..

I don't think Murphy has as much trade value as his numbers might suggest because most teams don't view him as a legit 2B. I think Sandy waits until the trade deadline to move him--when some team is desperate and willing to overpay.

If Mets don't trade Murph at the deadline, then things get interesting because he will likely be a type A free agent as a 2B, but most teams would be looking to sign him as 3B. Do you risk offering him arbitration since he might accept? Would the draft picks be worth more than prospects you might get for him in a trade? Sandy is the master but this is a tricky situation.

In comment 12043745 oipolloi said:

Quote:

In comment 12043740 CGiants07 said: Quote: .. I don't think Murphy has as much trade value as his numbers might suggest because most teams don't view him as a legit 2B. I think Sandy waits until the trade deadline to move him--when some team is desperate and willing to overpay. If Mets don't trade Murph at the deadline, then things get interesting because he will likely be a type A free agent as a 2B, but most teams would be looking to sign him as 3B. Do you risk offering him arbitration since he might accept? Would the draft picks be worth more than prospects you might get for him in a trade? Sandy is the master but this is a tricky situation.

Most teams WOULD offer Murphy the QO with a "normal" season. The Mets and their finances who knows?

tend to lump Alomar and Baerga together but my memory of Carlos Baerga as a player is greater than he actually was according to the numbers.

In comment 12043716 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

not trying to get into one of my famous fights with Zgiants but the Alomar trade specifically I would make 100/100 times. Dude was MVP caliber good the year prior, whatever the hell happened I have no idea but that's a trade you have to make EVERY time. I remember Francesa said it was like the Knicks adding Kobe Bryant lol

Why would you be trying to get in a fight with me? Because I don't think the Padres are better than the Mets? Kind of weird you would call me out.

Anyways. I loved the Alomar trade as well. My point was not that we traded away prospects but that we tried to remake a roster the quick easy way all at once by making trades and taking on huge salaries and it absolutely did not work out(cough cough Padres).

I mentioned you because you originally brought up Alomar, it wasn't some knock lol

methodical rebuild(although painstaking) was the way to go and what this team desperately needed for decades. All the pieces are just about here. I want to see this play out. I think its extremely rare to see something like this happen in modern baseball where a team can plan 4-5 years out drafting only high school and trading every chip for prospects to line up all at around the same time. Most teams wouldn't have the patience. And maybe we shouldn't have either. But its over now. We did it. Now lets see how it works out.

The padres fans are surely in a fever right now and I am sure they are all excited. But will they have a better team then the Mets? Will it be sustainable for years as it appears the Mets have been built? I doubt it. We'll see though.

In comment 12043784 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

I mentioned you because you originally brought up Alomar, it wasn't some knock lol

Oh I thought you said you were trying to avoid getting in a fight with me over it. All good.

the Mets shouldn't or can't buy their way to a championship, but they could/should explore adding a superstar for prospects.

Whether that is Tulo or not I don't know, but they have a good nucleus need a nudge to get into contention.

In comment 12043727 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

officially a Giant so Murphy won't be a Giant in 2015

McGehee sucks, and that is not a term I throw around lightly. He's like the Ruben Tejada of the hot corner.

6.6 WAR the year before we added him. 18.9 the previous 3 good for the 9th best player in baseball over the previous 3. What happened? Who knows? but at the time it looked great and there was nothing to suggest this would happen.

In comment 12043797 Deej said:

Quote:

In comment 12043727 DanMetroMan said: Quote: officially a Giant so Murphy won't be a Giant in 2015 McGehee sucks, and that is not a term I throw around lightly. He's like the Ruben Tejada of the hot corner.

Whether he sucks or not he's clearly their starting 3b. Their assistant GM confirmed this.

I think something along the lines of Syndergaard, Nimmo or Plawecki, and Gee or Neise is more than fair if we are taking on that salary.

I just think its outrageous what some of the teams are asking for and Im not up for gutting our system that we've worked so hard for.

I also don't think we absolutely NEED Tulo to get to where we want to be. Im excited for this year with or without him. He'd be nice at the right price, but Id be disgusted if we traded away multiple aces and this guy gets injured the second week of the season. It would be back to the Kazmir nightmare/Omar type stuff all over agin.

In comment 12043798 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

6.6 WAR the year before we added him. 18.9 the previous 3 good for the 9th best player in baseball over the previous 3. What happened? Who knows? but at the time it looked great and there was nothing to suggest this would happen.

PED's? He says it was "Chemistry" though he was using it in a different way.

In comment 12043798 DanMetroMan said:

Quote:

6.6 WAR the year before we added him. 18.9 the previous 3 good for the 9th best player in baseball over the previous 3. What happened? Who knows? but at the time it looked great and there was nothing to suggest this would happen.

I will never understand it. I was so excited to have acquired him. Probably one of the biggest letdowns ever as a Met fan.

he had Alfonzo batting in front of him, and Piazza batting behind him. can't ask for better protection than that. He was even a letdown in the field? I was shocked. I still am.

give up less than that for Tulo, if Thor is in the deal, I wouldn't include another top 10 prospect unless it's Plawecki. I'd include Thor, Gee, Murphy who they could flip if they have no use for, and Plawecki, but that's where I draw the line.

Tulo is too much of a risk to abandon the future for, but I'd leverage it.

And obviously Beltran probably the best signing the Mets ever made.

Reality is that there's no 1 way to win, but it all starts with homegrowing a few superstars. Then from there supporting them with some wise acquisitions. It would be a shame to waste the cheap part of all the pitchers' careers with average rosters everywhere else.

In comment 12043810 pjcas18 said:

Quote:

give up less than that for Tulo, if Thor is in the deal, I wouldn't include another top 10 prospect unless it's Plawecki. I'd include Thor, Gee, Murphy who they could flip if they have no use for, and Plawecki, but that's where I draw the line. Tulo is too much of a risk to abandon the future for, but I'd leverage it.

Yeah I agree.

were temporary bandaids that had a shelf life of about 1-3 years. Thats fine if you have an older team ready to go for it but I don't think we are in that position yet. A good portion of our team just experienced its first season in the majors. Some of the stars of this window are still in AAA. And honestly Cuddyer could just as easily be this years "Loduca" if we snuck into the playoffs.

released. I'd add him.

It's not that well written (Yelich was on the Marlins last year?), but I think this serves as a good articulation of what many fans feel right now as the busier period of the offseason has concluded with tons of movement and other teams aggressively improving. Hopefully they have something up their sleeve with the Mariners or Rockies that comes to fruition in January.

Quote:

Look at it this way: We finished 19 games behind Washington, so it’s pretty unrealistic that we will make up this difference. Miami finished only 2 games behind us last year, but has added Dee Gordon, Christian Yelich, Dan Haren, Mat Latos and Michael Morse. Our lineup is, at best, average. Our overall team defense is also probably average. Lagares is a star, but Duda, Murphy, Flores and TDA are all probably below average defensively. But, people say, “Look at our pitching!” OK, let’s look at it. Right now, I don’t believe our starting rotation from top to bottom is better than Miami’s. Harvey and deGrom are great, but even highly touted Zack Wheeler has not put up anything but average statistics in his 2 MLB seasons. Gee, Colon and Niese are all just average pitchers. Our bullpen is OK, not great. It’s still unclear who our closer will be.

Why This Offseason Has Been Incredibly Disappointing - ( New Window )

Thanks, and interesting read. Yes, the fact that Washington looks like a juggernaut is a big problem for us. They have the best rotation in baseball and maybe 5 or more 3 fWAR hitters. And we didnt get a whole lot better this offseason, except as always I'll say: First, we're hopefully getting back two healthy stars in Harvey and Wright who collectively gave us 12 fWAR in 2013 and 1.9 fWAR in 2014.

Second, the 2014 gulf between the Mets and Marlins was a lot bigger than two wins. We were +40 runs over them. The Mets were insanely unlucky to be +11 and only win 79 games. Here are the teams that won 75-81 games (ie .500 or just under), and their run differential:

Mets: 79 wins, +11
Atlanta: 79 wins, -24
Miami: 77 wins, -29
Padres: 77 wins, -42
Tampa: 77 wins, -13
Cincy: 76 wins, -17

One of these things is not like the other. The Mets were the only net + team with a losing record; the closest teams to use were both +16, and much more successful: Cards won 90 and the Indians won 85. So I dont accept that our base is 79 wins and we need to improve from there. With that run differential, we should have been at ~83 wins. 88 games made the NL wild card last season.

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS · 47m 47 minutes ago
pirates pull surprise, winning bidding for ss jung-ho kang. they will now try to negotiate deal.
Link - ( New Window )

and that's why I'd predict them around 85 wins, even as someone who's disappointed with their inactivity. Harvey's attitude alone could be a huge energizing force for change.

I just think this organization has had such bad karma and fan relations over these past few years, it's going to continue to be an uphill climb back to respectability. With all the positive stats from last year this team wasn't just a few role players away from contending. 4 games under .500 was basically their high water mark on the season after May, so as unlucky as they might have been the record at the end of the season wasn't an aberration. What they need(ed) are more guys like Lagares and Duda who can go out there and contribute to wins every single day - whether it's through offense or defense. Wright healthy could certainly be a major force, as could Granderson and Cuddyer, but it would have been a lot nicer to add 1 or 2 healthier/more in their prime guys to the mix.

85 wins based on this roster and not seeing Wright, Harvey, and Parnell is pretty reasonable. Agree on the karma, sometimes it works in reverse -- when things have been really bad for a while, a modicum of success can really invigorate the fans and players.

Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN · 14m 14 minutes ago
Wilpons' Madoff settlement down to $75.6M

Link - ( New Window )

In two years we can maybe almost kinda operate like a major league franchise.

Mets/Colorado NEED to make this trade..makes too much sense.

ready? lol

Noah
Flores
Montero
Pwalecki
Gee

For

Tulo
$35M