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to take that write up that seriously claiming Blake Taylor "hits 95". Jeff P said mid-high 80's as did Rubin. Jeff P even noted his velocity was down this season.

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In comment 12051787 pjcas18 said: Quote: ill a role THIS season I disagree with this attitude. What makes 2015 so important? If anything I'd argue that our window probably opens up more in 2016 -- the pitchers will be a bit older, Harvey wont be as limited, and hopefully the wheels come off the bus a bit for the Nats. As of now, the Nats have a better rotation than us and their lineup has five guys with Steamer projected fWAR of 3+ compared to our one (Wright).

This is year 5 of a my self-imposed 5 year plan, I don't think another 75 win season is acceptable.

That doesn't mean sacrifice the future for the present, but it does mean IMO the team is close enough to roll the dice a little. But like I said I don't see the point in weakening the team in multiple spots to improve in one.

After joining the Mets organization in mid-June, Taylor made three appearances in the Gulf Coast League. He allowed two runs, neither earned, on one hit, seven walks and a hit batter while striking out 10 in 10 2/3 innings. He since has moved to the Appalachian League. In seven starts with Kingsport, the 6-foot-3, 220-pound Taylor is 2-1 with a 5.16 ERA. He has allowed 39 hits and 22 walks in 29 2/3 innings.

Taylor�s fastball sits at 86-90 mph. He also possesses a changeup and curveball.

�I�m still getting better. I still have a lot more to learn with command and all that stuff,� Taylor said. �But I�ve been progressing this year and throwing my changeup for a strike more than I have been normally. It�s been a very, very educational year for me just to learn. This is my first full season.�

Excellent article. Didn't know a lot of what was in there. Pretty deep system!

Going to fun following the big club and tracking these guys in the Minors. Good time to be a Met fan IMO

@kileymcd: One scout told me to put him over Syndergaard, so I'm 2nd at best RT @jb82mets You're officially the high guy on Plawecki

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After joining the Mets organization in mid-June, Taylor made three appearances in the Gulf Coast League. He allowed two runs, neither earned, on one hit, seven walks and a hit batter while striking out 10 in 10 2/3 innings. He since has moved to the Appalachian League. In seven starts with Kingsport, the 6-foot-3, 220-pound Taylor is 2-1 with a 5.16 ERA. He has allowed 39 hits and 22 walks in 29 2/3 innings. Taylor�s fastball sits at 86-90 mph. He also possesses a changeup and curveball. �I�m still getting better. I still have a lot more to learn with command and all that stuff,� Taylor said. �But I�ve been progressing this year and throwing my changeup for a strike more than I have been normally. It�s been a very, very educational year for me just to learn. This is my first full season.�

I noticed this too. He also says Leathersich is a RH pitcher and Matz should start in AA when he really will probably start in AAA. There's definitely some errors.

In regards to Taylor it sounds like its off an old scouting report. His velocity was down all of 2014.

get to Leathersich & Blake Taylor who are maybe in the 60 range of prospects. If you want to discredit his work because of that, be my guest. It was to me the best write up I've read yet on the system's prospects

We have more players than we can continue to protect.

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get to Leathersich & Blake Taylor who are maybe in the 60 range of prospects. If you want to discredit his work because of that, be my guest. It was to me the best write up I've read yet on the system's prospects

Yeah I'm not. It was a nice read.

all meaningful prospects owned by every team is worthless. It would be worthless if it was authored by Billy Beane. How many of these guys has he seen, and how many times has he seen these players?

Only way Rockies are adding an Of such as Legares is if one is coming back to the Mets. They kinda left that little detail out. Its probably the last. Position they need to add more to on their ball club.

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Cerrone's mostly just an idiot. Alderson's not giving up more than Toronto gave up for Donaldson. That's how the market works to some degree. Toronto didn't even give up their 'Syndergaard', so depending on how you value Lowrie the packages being tossed around for COL in the media are varying levels of insane. If there's a hard line price anywhere close to what's being reported there would be a lot less than the 5-10% chance that even Rubin reported.

for Wilmer Flores Ive read yet.
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How would you grade the Mets front office? These past two offseasons have been bad.
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can you pontificate on why, given the posting fee and the contract, the mets refused to put out basically 17 mill on a 2 year deal for kang? thats paying him to be worth 1 WAR a season? is there really no chance he can do that?
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you wont grade the mets fo because you dont know what kind of environment they can manuever in? sandy and co are supposed to be geniuses. GMs of similar ilk have done more with considerably less; PLUS, sandy�s free agent acquisitions have been awful and not a single one of his draft picks have made the bigs. I think its safe to say he was HIGHLY overrated by the stats community
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I think it's hard to evaluate the FO without knowing the full constraints they're under, but that doesn't make it impossible to hope/expect more. If the team doesn't win 85 games next year and consistently play 5 games or so above .500 it will be a crime considering the young cost controlled talent they have.

Re: Wilmer, as many have said numerous times, in a vacuum him playing SS make sense. In context however it will be a disappointment. The team believes in him now, because they are unwilling to spend $/assets to do better, but hasn't for the last 2-3 years as they've openly not considered it until it was last resort. Hard to get people excited about an option that was publicly viewed as a "last resort".

Also, the other piece of context that's missed is the defensive side of things. Below is fangraphs team defense projections. Who knows how accurate these things are, but they project the Mets to be a bottom 6 defensive team that's gotten significantly worse since last year (when they were at best average). Not surprising since they are only above average at 2 spots.
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December 23, 2014 at 3:36 pm
Who do you think is the better prospect�Franklin Barreto or Amed Rosario?

Come to think of it 2015 should be an exciting year for young Latin prospects with Rosario, Devers, Barreto plus others I�m definitely forgetting making full season debuts most probably.

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I�d probably take Rosario over all of them, but the gap isn�t enormous.


(Devers bat is more impressive than Rosario but SS vs. 3b is a big gap. Devers could be a special player however. He could be a top 25 prospect in baseball in the not so distant future.)

Kiley, your write-up on Puello didn�t mention the sporadic (at best) playing time he received in 2014 to the benefit of Quad A types like Brandon Allen and Anthony Seratelli. This has been a bit of a mystery amongst Mets prospect watchers; did any of the sources you talked to shed some light on that? Did Puello piss off Wally? Fall out of favor with the FO? Pour sugar in Paul Depodesta�s gas tank?


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It wasn�t a bunch of glowing recommendations, more like a stern father of a kid that hasn�t met his potential, ending every sentence by throwing his hands up in the air and saying �anything could still happen, who knows?�

Do most of us agree that if we're not going for Tulo, the sensible thing is to see what Flores can do next season? I just don't see anyone else that might be available that's a big enough improvement over Flores to justify the assets that would be required.

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Do most of us agree that if we're not going for Tulo, the sensible thing is to see what Flores can do next season? I just don't see anyone else that might be available that's a big enough improvement over Flores to justify the assets that would be required.

The right deal I'd deal for Tulo but sounds like Colorado wants a TON for him so yeah I'm okay passing. I have major issues with this FO and Sherman actually touches on them below (linked) but paying "fair" value for Tulo isn't one of my issues.
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Olney once claimed that Sandy wanted to trade David Wright and Jeff Wilpon signed Wright directly. I always wondered if the FO wanted to "blow it up" and weren't allowed to. That doesn't explain why they don't make more trades but it's something I've always been curious about.

I'd also add I think it's unconscionable to go with Tejada as the backup plan to Wilmer. Sorry but if you are "rolling the dice" on a maybe your backup plan can't be a proven turd unless you don't care about winning.

and I actually heard from someone recently that they were debating the possibility of trading Wright this past season (prior to the Shoulder injury taking him out of action it was discussed in the context of shopping him in the offseason, no active discussions).

Sherman's article is another in a string that have now accurately captured the dissatisfaction many have with the Alderson regime. Forgetting the $ limitations, they've turned over the roster at a snails pace and all of their 'hits' have come from cheap gambles that were unplanned successes - Byrd, Lagares, JdG, Mejia at closer (imagine last year if that didn't luckily work out). They seem to be solid at the draft/development, they can definitely maximize leverage when trading vets, and overall they are good at bringing in/judging talent. They have shown 0 ability to turn that talent into the assembly of a successful roster with the resources they do have.

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Do most of us agree that if we're not going for Tulo, the sensible thing is to see what Flores can do next season? I just don't see anyone else that might be available that's a big enough improvement over Flores to justify the assets that would be required.

Yep. Basically.

only because of Collins, but if I was assured Tejada would ONLY be a backup(Sandy might force this), I might actually like him in that role. He can play SS and 2B late in games and play against lefties once in a while.

I also don't view him as the backup PLAN to Flores. That's different. 25th man? Sure. But if Flores turns into a pumpkin or gets inured my next option would be Reynolds. My third option would be to give Tovar a shot as he's on the 40 man. My 4th option would be to bite the bullet and trade for a SS mid-season.

If ALL 4 of those options fail, THEN I would stick Tejada at SS. lol.

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Al Jackson, still a spring-training presence with the Mets, turns 79 today

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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 3h3 hours ago Al Jackson, still a spring-training presence with the Mets, turns 79 today

Phil Regan (who many credit with much of the Mets pitching development is the pitching coach in St. Lucie) and is....77! full-time and all.

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only because of Collins, but if I was assured Tejada would ONLY be a backup(Sandy might force this), I might actually like him in that role. He can play SS and 2B late in games and play against lefties once in a while. I also don't view him as the backup PLAN to Flores. That's different. 25th man? Sure. But if Flores turns into a pumpkin or gets inured my next option would be Reynolds. My third option would be to give Tovar a shot as he's on the 40 man. My 4th option would be to bite the bullet and trade for a SS mid-season. If ALL 4 of those options fail, THEN I would stick Tejada at SS. lol.

As of today the backup plan pretty clearly is Tejada. What you or I would do is a different story but Tejada is the other SS on the 40 man aka he's the backup SS.

is having Tejada around is risky. Mainly because Collins likes him for some weird reason.

So, it seems like he'd look for any chance to play Tejada and give him the starters job.

this is where fan frustration with Sandy is legit warranted - why even keep Tejada around. he's average at best defensively, and on a good year average offensively, but usually worse.

I don't get worked up about the upcoming seasons roster until midway through ST, so I won't worry about it now, but having Tejada on this team is a RISK and if he is on the team and Collins winds up giving Flores three or four starts (and if Flores doesn't excel) and then Tejada winds up as the starting SS most of the season I blame Sandy as much Collins.

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is having Tejada around is risky. Mainly because Collins likes him for some weird reason. So, it seems like he'd look for any chance to play Tejada and give him the starters job. this is where fan frustration with Sandy is legit warranted - why even keep Tejada around. he's average at best defensively, and on a good year average offensively, but usually worse. I don't get worked up about the upcoming seasons roster until midway through ST, so I won't worry about it now, but having Tejada on this team is a RISK and if he is on the team and Collins winds up giving Flores three or four starts (and if Flores doesn't excel) and then Tejada winds up as the starting SS most of the season I blame Sandy as much Collins.

My guess is Collins likes him because he is "safe" aka you know what you are going to get. Remember, Collins was the Mets minor league field coordinator in 2010 which means he likely had some level of interaction with Tejada dating back almost 5 years now.

think we can all foresee a situation where Flores starts slow or boots a few early, Tejada drops in a few soft singles and suddenly it goes from Flores being the starting SS to a time share etc. Even the most optimistic have to admit with Collins fondness of Tejada this is a possibility.

Because going with Flores in all likelihood really means "going with Flores and Tejada"

If Tejada were to start like one out of every 8-10 games or something I wouldn't mind it but a timeshare would be a fucking nightmare because we all know who Collins is going to be partial to.

Development of minor league players, but they really have simply made two big trades and relied on Omar IFA signings to get to where they are today. Pawlecki looks like a good draft pick but really who else has Anderson drafted that invokes any type of confidence? I am still skeptical of nimmos bat speed and platoon splits especially if he has to play a corner, cechinni is a dud - which is what almost everyone said he was drafted, smith had a fairly depressing year last year albeit playing up a level, and contorfo didn't dominate like you would hope a college player would (and also had that weird delayed signing). Hell their best draft pick was probably sankowitz who for some reason they refused to sign even though we had the money. Literally none of those players instills any type of confidence in this regime moving forward.

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Mets FO gets an INC for drafting as of today. Anyone giving them props or nailing them are being unfair. So far it's been slow going. On paper nobody from their first draft will have a major impact in 2015 but Nimmo, Mazzoni (maybe the most realistic to log significant time) and Leathersich probably have the best odds for 2015 so still "not much". 2012 draft could show Reynolds and Plawecki this year. There likely isn't a realistic "good" scenario where Nimmo or Plawecki log significant time for the Mets in 2015 barring someone blocking them are traded but who knows?

credit for the trades bringing in Wheeler, Syndergaard, TdA, etc.

but from a draft standpoint, his first draft was 2011. High school kids would be 21/22 years old by now and college kids 25/26.

so giving him final draft grades (as DMM pointed out) is premature. And that's just from his first draft. obviously subtract 1, 2, and 3 years for his other 3 drafts.

It's not so much the drafting of this FO. It's the remaking of the organization from the ground up that no one can do anything but praise. Literally every single step of the way, the organization sets the kids up for success in the major leagues. Surprisingly very few organizations do a good job of that. The amount of money spent in baseball is staggering, yet by far the greatest bang for your buck is the money spent on organizational organic growth.

You don't have to produce superstar after superstar. That mostly involves luck (Stanton, Trout compared to Harper as an example). Talent is such a small part of the recipe of the future success of ball players. There are guys in the GCL with absolutely filthy stuff that may never make it to AA ball - so it takes more than talent to succeed. I believe the Mets front office has done an amazing job of changing the culture down below, and now it's time to filter that up the ladder to the major league team.

As much credit as Minaya should get for finding the talent, the current regime deserves just as much if not more credit for developing that same talent. Legares is a more productive major leaguer than anyone expected. Same with Murphy. Same with Gee. Same with Duda. Same with Harvey and DeGrom. Tejada is the only example of a player on the roster who hasn't progressed under this current front office.

What happens if he has a first month or two like TdA last year? The same reason nobody's penciling TdA into the 4-5 spot despite his great 2nd half is the same reason why penciling Flores in is so troublesome - trusting young players stats in meaningless games is risky. Add in the doubts about his defense, which are echoed by almost every single quoted professional and it's a recipe for trouble.

The scary thing about this roster is that trusting TdA and Flores to hit are probably among the safer risks. The failure of this regime is that they've surrounded the inherently risky young players with even riskier veterans. Granderson, Wright, & Cuddyer account for more than 50% of the total payroll and not 1 of them posted a league average season last year. This is just a guess, but I doubt that's true of any other team and definitely not true of any playoff teams.

In comment 12054093 Shecky said:

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It's not so much the drafting of this FO. It's the remaking of the organization from the ground up that no one can do anything but praise. Literally every single step of the way, the organization sets the kids up for success in the major leagues. Surprisingly very few organizations do a good job of that. The amount of money spent in baseball is staggering, yet by far the greatest bang for your buck is the money spent on organizational organic growth. You don't have to produce superstar after superstar. That mostly involves luck (Stanton, Trout compared to Harper as an example). Talent is such a small part of the recipe of the future success of ball players. There are guys in the GCL with absolutely filthy stuff that may never make it to AA ball - so it takes more than talent to succeed. I believe the Mets front office has done an amazing job of changing the culture down below, and now it's time to filter that up the ladder to the major league team. As much credit as Minaya should get for finding the talent, the current regime deserves just as much if not more credit for developing that same talent. Legares is a more productive major leaguer than anyone expected. Same with Murphy. Same with Gee. Same with Duda. Same with Harvey and DeGrom. Tejada is the only example of a player on the roster who hasn't progressed under this current front office.

Excellent post.

and just a gut feeling really but I don't think Sandy is going to mess around with Collins this year. We saw the process kind of unfold over the course of last season and I think its gotten to the point that the front office is split and/or tired of Collins and will be more proactive this season. They tried to force Flores earlier in the year last year and by the end were flat out making Collins do it.

Judging what Sandy is already saying about Flores and outright laughing at Collins comments in public, I don't think Tejada is going to sniff a starting role this year barring an absolute emergency.

I agree if Flores were to sit on the bench as well as other options like Reynolds in AAA and Tovar on the 40 and none of these guys got chances assuming Flores failed, Sandy should share the blame but I don't think that's going to happen in 2015. I just don't.

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What happens if he has a first month or two like TdA last year? The same reason nobody's penciling TdA into the 4-5 spot despite his great 2nd half is the same reason why penciling Flores in is so troublesome - trusting young players stats in meaningless games is risky. Add in the doubts about his defense, which are echoed by almost every single quoted professional and it's a recipe for trouble. The scary thing about this roster is that trusting TdA and Flores to hit are probably among the safer risks. The failure of this regime is that they've surrounded the inherently risky young players with even riskier veterans. Granderson, Wright, & Cuddyer account for more than 50% of the total payroll and not 1 of them posted a league average season last year. This is just a guess, but I doubt that's true of any other team and definitely not true of any playoff teams.

Good point but

1.) TDA and Flores are your 7th and 8th hitters so I don't believe you are "counting" on them to carry the team or anything. They also offer huge offensive potential, were huge prospects, and have already experienced "some" major league success in their first seasons. For a rebuilding team what else to you propose?

2.) Yes Cuddyer got hurt last year(although he came back clearly healthy as ever) and Wright are injury risks, but there are plenty of non-risky options like Murphy and Duda in the middle of the lineup as well.

this year they shouldn't be. When you're trying to win you try to put the best possible players at any given position and upgrade wherever possible. The time to evaluate projects has passed.

The rebuilding project was over the last 2-4 years but all of the talent accumulated during that time and everyone drafted was done with an arrival date of this season and the next. It's not complete yet. Plenty of the high end talent we acquired is still in AAA. The whole point is allow these kids opportunities to blossom. When they reach their primes, then you awuire the extra piece if you have a need. This team will compete this year of its young talent alone but this isn't the WS finished product yet. Not even close.

And affording opportunities to Flores and TDA is rolling with projects?? Really?

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In comment 12054104 Eric on Li said: Quote: What happens if he has a first month or two like TdA last year? The same reason nobody's penciling TdA into the 4-5 spot despite his great 2nd half is the same reason why penciling Flores in is so troublesome - trusting young players stats in meaningless games is risky. Add in the doubts about his defense, which are echoed by almost every single quoted professional and it's a recipe for trouble. The scary thing about this roster is that trusting TdA and Flores to hit are probably among the safer risks. The failure of this regime is that they've surrounded the inherently risky young players with even riskier veterans. Granderson, Wright, & Cuddyer account for more than 50% of the total payroll and not 1 of them posted a league average season last year. This is just a guess, but I doubt that's true of any other team and definitely not true of any playoff teams. Good point but 1.) TDA and Flores are your 7th and 8th hitters so I don't believe you are "counting" on them to carry the team or anything. They also offer huge offensive potential, were huge prospects, and have already experienced "some" major league success in their first seasons. For a rebuilding team what else to you propose? 2.) Yes Cuddyer got hurt last year(although he came back clearly healthy as ever) and Wright are injury risks, but there are plenty of non-risky options like Murphy and Duda in the middle of the lineup as well.

it's a new year and I'm going to go out of my way to avoid "fighting" with you but Wilmer was never a "huge" prospect. BA had him 47th (his highest ranking ever) his first pro year.


Prospect Ratings by Baseball America:
Pre-2009: Rated #47 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #88 Prospect
Pre-2011: Rated #59 Prospect
Prospect Ratings by BaseballProspectus.com:
Pre-2009: Rated #54 Prospect
Pre-2010: Rated #84 Prospect
Pre-2011: Rated #98 Prospect
Pre-2014: Rated #71 Prospect

Really not looking for a back and forth on this where you say "well my idea of "huge" is X" but he's always been viewed as a good prospect without a position. He absolutely could end up an average or above regular, not arguing that point/ He's just never been viewed as a premium prospect by prospect types.

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6) Wilmer Flores, INF, Grade B: Borderline B-. Better hitter than he showed during time in New York. I still don�t know how you fit him in the lineup.

1. Noah Syndergaard (RHP) 22 years old (AAA/MLB) 88% of 34 votes
2. Dilson Herrera (2B) 21 years old (AAA/MLB) 56% of 39 votes
3. Brandon Nimmo (CF) 22 years old (AAA) 33% of 43 votes (Run-off vs. Matz 55% of 40 votes)
4. Steven Matz (LHP) 24 years old (AAA) 69% of 48 votes
5. Michael Conforto (LF) 22 years old (A+) 49% of 43 votes
6. Kevin Plawecki (C) 24 years old (AAA) 59% of 34 votes
7. Rafael Montero (RHP) 24 years old (AAA/MLB) 65% of 37 votes
8. Marcos Molina (RHP) 20 years old (A) 43% of 40 votes (Run-off with Rosario 55% of 40 votes)
9. Amed Rosario (SS) 19 years old (A) 75% of 40 votes
10. Jhoan Urena (3b) 20 years old (A) 42% of 38 votes
11. Gavin Cecchini (SS) 21 years old (A) 57% of 37 votes
12. Dominic Smith (1b) 20 years old (A) 75% of 28 votes
13. Matt Reynolds (SS/2b) 24 years old (AAA) 52% of 31 votes
14. Cory Mazzoni (RP/SP) 25 years old (AAA) 46% of 28 votes
15. Matthew Chou Bowman (SP/RP) 24 years old AAA 42% of 38 votes
16. Cesar Puello (23) AAA (OF) 24% of 33 votes, runoff with Fulmer 52% of 31 votes
17. Buca di Beppo (Becerra) 28% of 29 votes, runoff vs. Maz 57%
18. LJ Mazzilli (24) 28% of 32 votes, runoff with Meisner 52% of 31 votes
19. Casey Meisner (20) (A) 57% of 30 votes
20. Milton Ramos (19) (A) 21% of 28 votes, run-off with Ynoa 52% of 23 votes
21. Gabriel Ynoa (22) (AA) 64% of 22 votes
22. Champ Stuart (22) (A+) 36% of 25 votes
23. Michael Fulmer (22) (AA) 41% of 22 votes
24. Akeel Morris (22) (A+) 31% of 26 votes
25. Logan Verrett (25) (AAA) 27% of 22 votes, 47% of runoff with Whalen/Mateo
26. Jack Leathersich (25) (AAA) 24% of 17 votes, 57% of runoff with Whalen
27. Tyler Pill (24) (AAA) 40% of 20 votes
28. Rob Whalen (21) 48% of 21 votes
29. Dario Alvarez (26) 33% of 24 vores
30. Luis Mateo (26) 27% of 26 votes, 77% of runoff with Diaz
31. Robert Gsellman 30% of 23 votes
32. Miller Diaz 25% of 24 votes, runoff with Brosher/Sanchez 37%
33. Blake Taylor 22% of 18 votes, runoff with Brosher/Sanchez 38%
34. Ali Sanchez (C) 18 35% of 23 votes, runoff vs. Brosher 75%
35. Logan Taylor (RHP) 16% of 19 votes, runoff with Brosher/Boyd 44%
36. Jayce Boyd (1b) 35% of 17 votes
37. Hansel Robles 25% of 16 votes, runoff with Wieck + Brosher 67%
38. Kenny Hernandez 28% of 18 votes
39. Luis Guillorme (SS) 22% of 18 votes, runoff with Cruzado/Oswalt 38%
40. Victor Cruzado 18% of 17 votes, runoff with Oswalt 71%
41. Corey Oswalt 43% of 14 votes
42. Brad Wieck
43. Jeff McNeil 56% of 9 votes
44. Brandon Brosher 50% of 14 votes
45. Vicente Lupo 43% of 16 votes

In comment 12054308 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12054219 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 12054104 Eric on Li said: Quote: What happens if he has a first month or two like TdA last year? The same reason nobody's penciling TdA into the 4-5 spot despite his great 2nd half is the same reason why penciling Flores in is so troublesome - trusting young players stats in meaningless games is risky. Add in the doubts about his defense, which are echoed by almost every single quoted professional and it's a recipe for trouble. The scary thing about this roster is that trusting TdA and Flores to hit are probably among the safer risks. The failure of this regime is that they've surrounded the inherently risky young players with even riskier veterans. Granderson, Wright, & Cuddyer account for more than 50% of the total payroll and not 1 of them posted a league average season last year. This is just a guess, but I doubt that's true of any other team and definitely not true of any playoff teams. Good point but 1.) TDA and Flores are your 7th and 8th hitters so I don't believe you are "counting" on them to carry the team or anything. They also offer huge offensive potential, were huge prospects, and have already experienced "some" major league success in their first seasons. For a rebuilding team what else to you propose? 2.) Yes Cuddyer got hurt last year(although he came back clearly healthy as ever) and Wright are injury risks, but there are plenty of non-risky options like Murphy and Duda in the middle of the lineup as well. it's a new year and I'm going to go out of my way to avoid "fighting" with you but Wilmer was never a "huge" prospect. BA had him 47th (his highest ranking ever) his first pro year. Prospect Ratings by Baseball America: Pre-2009: Rated #47 Prospect Pre-2010: Rated #88 Prospect Pre-2011: Rated #59 Prospect Prospect Ratings by BaseballProspectus.com: Pre-2009: Rated #54 Prospect Pre-2010: Rated #84 Prospect Pre-2011: Rated #98 Prospect Pre-2014: Rated #71 Prospect Really not looking for a back and forth on this where you say "well my idea of "huge" is X" but he's always been viewed as a good prospect without a position. He absolutely could end up an average or above regular, not arguing that point/ He's just never been viewed as a premium prospect by prospect types. Sickels 6) Wilmer Flores, INF, Grade B: Borderline B-. Better hitter than he showed during time in New York. I still don�t know how you fit him in the lineup.

For somebody who never wants to fight with me you still go out of your way to attack my comments and stick your nose into conversations you were never even a part of. And lately, every post is... Not trying to start a fight with ZGiants BUT... Do me a favor... I don't give a crap about you placating me. Either disagree and make a point about it or STFU. Nobody cares if you trying to get into a fight with me or not. As for TDA and Flores(love how you conveniently leave out TDA) they were both top prospects. As you pointed out, Flores cracked top 100 lists numerous times and TDA was the unanimous number one rated catching prospect in baseball for about three years running. Thanks for chiming in and making a point about nothing. Always a pleasure.

left out TDA because he WAS a huge prospect MORON.

are a moron and actually attacked me on a personal level recently so you can go suck a dick you fucking moron. Since when can someone only comment on conversations they are involved in on a MESSAGE BOARD. Why not just email your friends back and forth if that's your hope? What a great site this would be if we could only comment to the original person who made the comment. BBI would be wonderful!

My point to Eric that TDA and Flores have both been big enough prospects to warrant opportunities. The entire conversation revolved around both of them. Typical Dan though... Take a sliver of a sentence, nitpick Flores being top 100, not top 50 and build an attack off it.

you got to relax bro.. DMM was not agressive at all