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NFT: Heyman: Mets & Rockies quiety working on Tulowitzki deal

CromartiesKid21 : 12/19/2014 9:19 am
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CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reports that the Mets and Rockies "have been quietly discussing" a potential Troy Tulowitzki trade for weeks.
He adds that pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard "is said to be the centerpiece of discussions" of the package that would head to the Rockies. However, FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal says the two teams have talked all offseason but no traction has been gained. A source told him he thinks the chances of the two sides completing a deal are "5-10 percent."


Makes sense as Sundergaard was rumored to be available earlier during the winter meetings. Pending on the additional pieces & if Rockies pick up some of the tab Mets might have their ticket selling centerpiece.
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and  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 5:19 pm : link
obviously I expect Flores to do better then (90 wRC+) but for the sake of argument and being realistic Ill put him at below leave average just to appease everyone.
5th by what measure?  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2014 5:22 pm : link
some advanced stat?

by most metrics they were 8 or so in the NL, so you have to figure modest improvements by Wright and Grandy and Flores over Tejada gets you there.

I can see top 5 NL lineup.

Im adding up  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 5:28 pm : link
5 players career averages, taking league average from TDA and Lagares and adding up Flores at 90 wRC+. That puts us around 5th. I actually think we can do a lot better than that, but that's just a logical conclusion based on the information we have available.
last year the Dodgers finished at  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 5:32 pm : link
110 wRC+. The Pirates finished at 108. The Giants finished at 101. The Nationals finished at 99 and the Rockies finished at 98. The Cardinals finished at 95.

Acting conservatively, we should be in the 96-97 range which would put us in the top 5 -6.
Puello  
DanMetroMan : 12/26/2014 5:58 pm : link
Flores, Kirk (which is why MDD might have trouble making the team) and I believe Mejia are out of options. Gee actually has an option left but no way is 5 million sitting in LV.
RE: Puello  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 6:02 pm : link
In comment 12054579 DanMetroMan said:
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Flores, Kirk (which is why MDD might have trouble making the team) and I believe Mejia are out of options. Gee actually has an option left but no way is 5 million sitting in LV.


Yeah I don't think MDD is making the team and I'm actually happy about it. Kirk was great in a part time role last year and I think showed he can excel in pinch hitting . MDD in my mind still has an outside shot at being a regular, so I prefer him in AAA playing every day. The second an injury occurs I would call up MDD to start(over Kirk) actually.
Again... another reason  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 6:06 pm : link
why I am so optimistic. No more EYJ and Chrs Young types. No more Rick Ankiels. If an injury strikes we go to MDD, Kirk, Herrera, Reynolds, and Plawecki and even Nimmo possibly later on?

What about the rotation? Would anyone here cry if Colon or Neise got hurt and we had to go with Montero/Thor earlier then expected? I know I wouldn't.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/26/2014 6:10 pm : link
doubt Thor would get the call unless it were an emergency. Super Two etc etc. Montero is probably "next" and after him I suspect there will be some turdy Lannan type stashed in Vegas, maybe even Torres as an option too. I still expect one of Gee or Niese to be dealt even for an underwhelming return.
yeah... I expect  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 6:22 pm : link
one to get traded as well. Im just saying(unless its in the first month and a complete catastrophe) I don't have any issues with guys like Colon and Neise getting injured in 2015. We have plenty of high end depth unlike previous years.

As for Syndergaard and Super 2 it depends on the situation. Sandy has said its an important factor but not the ONLY factor and he'd have no problem calling a player up before it if need be. If Colon stubs his toe and misses one game, of course you aren't calling up Thor before Super 2 but if god forbid Wheeler goes down with Tommy John in the second game, maybe you do. At least that's what I've gathered.
ZGiants is such a great fan  
Deej : 12/26/2014 7:12 pm : link
I wish I had his optimism. But I dont see how we have a top 5 offense. We'd need a lot of best case scenarios to happen.
Deej  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 8:10 pm : link
I just broke it down man. That's with nobody having a best case scenario.

That's with everyone having an average year and I erred to the extreme caution on the younger players sides.

Expecting to gain a few points in wRC+ replacing the worst LF production in MLB with a VERY potent bat(if healthy) in Cuddyer, replacing Tejada with an even a slightly below league average option at SS in Flores, and replacing even a mediocre Wright opposed to the abomination at third last year isn't at all unrealistic.
Its honestly weird.  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 8:20 pm : link
Its like player fatigue or something. If we were acquiring somebody else's Murphy we'd all be thrilled sighting what a great hitter he's been. If we acquired Tulo (aka David Wright) we'd be looking over his recent injury past and age and sighting all his past successes. If we acquired somebody else's Duda, we would be dancing in the streets at finally adding a real power bat. If we acquired a Miller (Flores) we'd be looking at his offensive upside and ignoring his questionable defensive abilities. Grass is always greener I guess...
Here's a different lineup.  
ZGiants98 : 12/26/2014 9:22 pm : link
1.) Denard Span
2.) Chase Utley
3.) Adrian Beltre
4.) Albert Pujols
5.) Matt Kemp
6.) Ryan Braun
7.) Yadier Molina
8.) Starlin Castro

1.) Denard Span( identical WAR with Lagares at 3.8 in 14)
2.) Chase Utley (Utley .746 OPS/Murphy .736) Add one extra win for Utley's defense
3.) Adrian Beltre( 5.8 WAR/ Wright 7.8 in 2012, 6.0 in 2013)
4.) Albert Pujols(3.3 WAR, .790 OPS/Duda 3.0 WAR, .830 OPS)
5.) Matt Kemp(.852 OPS, 1.8 WAR/Cuddyer 1.5 WAR in only 50 games!)
6.) Ryan Braun(1.2 WAR, .777 OPS/ Granderson .815 lifetime OPS average)
7.) Yadier Molina(TDA Steamer 2.9 WAR, OPS .744/ Molina 3.1 WAR OPS .719
8.) Starlin Castro( Castro 2.1 WAR .729 OPS/Steamer Flores 2.5 WAR .696 OPS)

Obviously not exact and just rough estimates but I think you can get the point.
We need to take some risks  
Deej : 12/27/2014 5:34 pm : link
but to the extent Starlin Castro shot someone in a nightclub, Im a solid pass.


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Met's history  
Headhunter : 12/27/2014 5:40 pm : link
they would of traded Syndergaard Plawecki Montero & Familia for Castro . Maybe things are turning around
RE: Met's history  
Giants2012 : 12/27/2014 5:50 pm : link
In comment 12055390 Headhunter said:
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they would of traded Syndergaard Plawecki Montero & Familia for Castro . Maybe things are turning around


That's true. They may havev thrown in a bit more
Castro  
Headhunter : 12/27/2014 5:50 pm : link
has been cleared
RE: Castro  
Deej : 12/27/2014 6:51 pm : link
In comment 12055397 Headhunter said:
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has been cleared


Where do you see this being reported?
RE: RE: Castro  
Shecky : 12/27/2014 8:20 pm : link
In comment 12055445 Deej said:
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In comment 12055397 Headhunter said:


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has been cleared



Where do you see this being reported?


The LI kee at I les says he was cleared. But from an incident a few weeks. The article also makes it clear they aren't sure if he was arrested, detained or completely innocent in this incident.
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Headhunter : 12/27/2014 8:35 pm : link
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Deej : 12/27/2014 8:43 pm : link
I saw the agent's statements. Not sure I believe them. Obviously he has an agenda and isnt on the scene. The agent's story doesnt make sense -- who goes to the police station to just report that they were not involved in a crime? And if the police really had video and told Castro that they know he wasnt involved, why did the police spokesperson say that Castro's home was searched?

I have no idea what happened, but this story isnt 100% buttoned up yet.
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