Victor Cruz Says Doctors are Amazed at His Quick Recovery

I never said that.

I merely have posted 3-4 articles from sports medical experts who said that Cruz's injury is career-threatening.

We had this same damn debate last year with David Wilson and I was told I was an idiot then too.

Give him a couple of years.

In October I read the attached article which was very informative about Cruz's injury.
I do not know if this is one of the articles that Eric included.

However, what I found most interesting were the comments at the end of the article by David J.Chao, MD.

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David J. Chao, MD "When I was in @NFL, contributed cases to study by @Broncos docs that showed players usually recover next season after patella tendon tear."

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out all the bad luck they've had this year.

In comment 12042915 Marty in Albany said:

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out all the bad luck they've had this year.

This YEAR? =)

In comment 12042915 Marty in Albany said:

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out all the bad luck they've had this year.

Cruz a fave. Would love for his optimism to play out to reality, but team and we won't know for quite some time, certainly not until after next draft.

But that really says nothing about whether he can be an effective player when he returns.

on Cruz this year? Jennings? Beason? How about Schwartz? Prince? Thurmond?

Injuries are unpredictable.....but when players have some type of history of injuries, or have not shown the ability to play a whole season, how do you sink money into them or flat out count on them the following year?

We walked away from Bradshaw, Nicks, etc.....Who do we walk away from next year?

As for Cruz, this is two straight years, and this one is much more serious......do you count on him, or do you get a replacement, and if he returns, it's like a bonus....same with Beason......

In comment 12042718 Mike in Long Beach said:

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-Eric from BBI

We all know you are a moron, but now you're resorting to making up shit?

...in Cruz's rehab, we could see the Giants make a play for Randall Cobb. He is a similar player to Cruz in that he excels in the slot, he's just not as explosive.

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Randall Cobb is also headed for free agency when the year comes to an end, but he didn’t get a new deal from the team. It doesn’t sound like one is forthcoming, either. Cobb said Thursday that there are no current contract talks going on with the team, something that Cobb says “is what it is” while adding that he hasn’t given much thought to what will happen after the season.

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Cruz got paid, so its far less a blow to him (and while I don't feel bad for saying this), but we may not be seeing the Beckham we are today without this injury. We may have held him out an extra week or 2, had different game plans, etc. if Cruz was fully healthy.

Rooting for a comeback for Cruz, but there's a very bright silver lining here.

but i'd rather save that money for OL/DL and draft a weapon for Eli if I had to make a decision of which way to go.

Guys coming away from playing with Peyton/Brees/Brady/Rodgers scare me due to their new home likely being a less effective offense.

who were pleased with the rehab actually return to form or better? Any ever in the history of the NFL? I would think there must be some including WRs.

is central to his game, the patellar tendon has a lot to do with stopping and planting the foot.

like Eric said, we really don't know, and of course everyone is wishing for the best.

In comment 12042673 Chris in Philly said:

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in his ability and drive to return and be a great player. The doom and gloom and defeatism surrounding his injury was out of hand...

Thank you

In comment 12042829 Eric from BBI said:

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is we simply don't know. We've heard this song and dance before with many guys who said they are having a miraculous recovery and then they are out of football. And it has happened with this team a lot recently.

This is where all this shit starts around here. The fearful leader.

and to an extent, I don't expect players/docs to say anything other than ahead of schedule. But I do think BBI is generally soured by injuries and thinks everything is career ending.

The odds are in favor of Cruz coming back close to 100% by all accounts. IN a few months when he starts testing the knee out we will know more, but i'll take this news as a positive.

better than we all think. This kids got some intestinal fortitude that won't let him quit. Great news...

In comment 12042869 Eric from BBI said:

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I never said that. I merely have posted 3-4 articles from sports medical experts who said that Cruz's injury is career-threatening. We had this same damn debate last year with David Wilson and I was told I was an idiot then too.

In fairness, the chances of Cruz recovering and playing well is higher than Wilson. I was amazed at the number of people who thought Wilson would ever play again. With Cruz, I think he will play and be effective, but I think he has seen the last of his game breaking days.

his injury will heal okay, but he'll try to run and cut on it without total confidence, end up favoring, and then hurting his other leg because of that.

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better than we all think. This kids got some intestinal fortitude that won't let him quit. Great news...

We don't know that. What we do know is that Cruz said his doctors told him that his progress was amazingly fast. Unprecedented even.

Then we have people like Eric shitting on the news. It sort of is what it is...

I'm not a doctor, but there were multiple press reports based on renowned sports doctors who said this was a very difficult injury to come back from.

I'm hedging my bets on those reports.

It appears in some ways, this is a more serious injury than an ACJ injury.

So why you may want to continue to say I'm being overly negative, I'm merely relaying what was reported. Same with David Wilson, Steve Smith, Terrell Thomas, Kenny Phillips, etc., etc. You probably threw some jabs at me for those guys too.

I'd rather be skeptical and pleasantly surprised than be optimistic and disappointed.

Besides, if you'd asked Cruz how he felt 10 minutes before the injury, he probably would have said, "Never felt better."

Fast recovery and full recovery are two different things.

have OBJ.

Cruz was the go to guy, the money player, the one to look to in the tough spot. Now that OBJ has arrived, Cruz will forever more be the second best WR on the Giants. The Giants don't need the Victor Cruz of old.... but it would be nice :)

The general public will know NOTHING about VC's health until draft day. If Reese thinks Cruz is returning to form, he'll ignore the WR position (in relative terms). If he jumps up and takes Cooper, you know Cruz's days are done.

In comment 12043129 Eric from BBI said:

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I'm not a doctor, but there were multiple press reports based on renowned sports doctors who said this was a very difficult injury to come back from. I'm hedging my bets on those reports. It appears in some ways, this is a more serious injury than an ACJ injury. So why you may want to continue to say I'm being overly negative, I'm merely relaying what was reported. Same with David Wilson, Steve Smith, Terrell Thomas, Kenny Phillips, etc., etc. You probably threw some jabs at me for those guys too.

Eric, they were all very different cases. Different injuries, different severities, different players. Common theme? Your negativity.

Another common theme is not one of those players listed above were the same again. Cruz may comeback better than ever, he may not. Eric isn't saying he definitely won't be the same, he is being cautious. He has reason to be cautious, going by that list of players who never made it back to being themselves. Not to mention better than ever

Yup...another common theme was those players were in fact never the same players again too.

I'm hoping for the best, but this injury is potentially career-affecting.

six days early.

ODB on one side, Cruz in the slot and our first round draft choice on the other side.

Visions of Super Sunday dancing in my head.

Yeah baby!!!

we will never really know until he's back to full practice, whenever that is, training camp or pre-season. Even then, you probably have to see him at full speed in a game.

You want to call it pessimism fine, but thats the reality.

In comment 12043492 GloryDayz said:

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we will never really know until he's back to full practice, whenever that is, training camp or pre-season. Even then, you probably have to see him at full speed in a game. You want to call it pessimism fine, but thats the reality.

No, the reality is we don't know.

However, hearing Cruz convey high optimism from his doctors shouldn't create negativity as displayed here.

we don't know the extent of his surgery and if the tear is 10 milligrams higher or lower from someone who had the same surgery that wasn't the same

In comment 12043533 Headhunter said:

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we don't know the extent of his surgery and if the tear is 10 milligrams higher or lower from someone who had the same surgery that wasn't the same

milligrams?
Forget it--he's on a roll.

It must be acknowledged that an injured athlete conveying "optimism" both:
A) Is 100% par for the course
B) Doesn't amount to a hill of beans

God Dam It

Not saying Cruz won't/can't come back. I just wouldn't bank on it.

This team needs another weapon. That's just a fact. As of now, we have Eli & ODB. That's it.

Randle sucks and hopefully is off the team next year. Ideally the giants add a number two receiver and Cruz can get back in the slot where he is at his best. He will see plenty of single coverage with OBJ on the outside.

...is to draft a WR in round 2 or 3, not a top ten pick in round 1. Preferably a receiver who is 6'2" or taller.

You don't spend a top ten pick on a number 2 receiver and the Giants already have their number 1 receiver in OBJ. Throw in the fact that it's possible that Cruz will be able to return and still play at a high level and the idea of taking a WR in the top ten becomes downright foolish.

Randle is cut before next season....it's his last year on a rookie deal(all you would save is 600K), and there is always the hope in a contract year, he "gets it"...not sure he will, but he has to realize that his next contract depends on what he does next season....

In comment 12043892 Doomster said:

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Randle is cut before next season....it's his last year on a rookie deal(all you would save is 600K), and there is always the hope in a contract year, he "gets it"...not sure he will, but he has to realize that his next contract depends on what he does next season....

Agreed. He'd have to piss off the coaching staff to the point of making an example out of him for them to cut him. But he will not be handed the number 3 job. They will bring in serious competition either via free agency or a day two draft pick. Cruz would have to be running a 4.5 forty and dunking a basketball in April for them not to.

If the Giants start next season with Randle number three on the depth chart, it was not a successful offseason addressing the WR position. As the number four on the depth chart, we could do worse than him; as the number three, we can do better. Unless he has some kind of Toomer-like epiphany in the winter.

But I just don't think he'll be 100% better next year. This is a pretty bad injury and will take time to heal from. We'll know a lot more next July when camp starts. If for some reason he is practicing every other day or something than I'll be optimistic. No need rushing him along.

This offense could have been pretty good this year if Schwartz, Cruz and Beckinham had remained healthy the whole year. We are like 14th right now with no OL and one wideout. If we had a few wideouts and Jerry was replaced by Schwartz we'd be at least 10th in yardage and points scored.

Its his hands that worry me. The guy is a professional dropper

will be a challenege after such a devastating injury. Planting and cutting or jumping etc is second nature until you blow your knee out doing it. Im sure he will be spending time with the team psych as well as the trainers

In comment 12043892 Doomster said:

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Randle is cut before next season....it's his last year on a rookie deal(all you would save is 600K), and there is always the hope in a contract year, he "gets it"...not sure he will, but he has to realize that his next contract depends on what he does next season....

Randle also strikes me as a guy who will play his best when money--in the form of a new contract--is on the line.

but don't bet on it.

wishful thinking, or pessimistic thinking, are equally useless. We won't know until we know, and neither will the people charged with making the offseason decisions that ultimately must be made without that full knowledge.

He wasn't playing well this year before he got injured and his play had down ticked a fair amount last season too, from where it had been (and yes, I know everything went wrong last season, but his play was part of that).

If that's the player an absolutely perfect recovery is likely going to get him back to, then it's even more imperative that the Giants approach this offseason as though he only exists in cap terms and not count on him at all.

said pretty much the same. It's better than Cruz saying he's having a tough go at it. I'll wait until I see him perform on the field with pads to celebrate.

"WALK IT OFF VICTOR!"