Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 33s33 seconds ago
Looks like Yanks-Marlins deal may expand beyond Eovaldi & Prado. @flasportsbuzz said it would be Eovaldi and Garrett Jones for Prado/Phelps.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 1m1 minute ago
The Yankees will also be getting another player besides Eovaldi and Jones, in return for Phelps and Prado, in deal reported elsewhere.
Nothing about his stats jumps out at you. I don't know what his stuff is like, so I can't say more than that, but on the surface I'm not getting a good feeling from this.
On the other hand, while it seems that they should be able to get a better deal for Prado, they just got him for Peter O'Brien so perhaps his value still isn't very high.
Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 2m2 minutes ago
According to @Joelsherman1, Yankees are also getting Class A pitcher Domingo German. He was 9-3, 2.25 ERA, 123 1/2 IPs, 113K, 25W last year.
Posted this in the other thread, but.. I've seen a bit of Eovaldi as a Mets fan.
Throws really hard. Touches upper 90's on his FB but doesn't generate many swings and misses and doesn't strike a ton of guys out considering how hard he throws. I think the question with him has always been whether he can develop enough secondary stuff to go along with his FB because he throws it a ton and the only other pitch he really uses is a slider.
3.37 FIP last year, still a young guy with upside.
maybe they think Rothschild can teach him something
has pluse velo, and a plus slider to righties, but doesn't have the K's he should. Perhaps the Analytics Dept., which had the insight about McCarthy, sees something they like in Eovaldi. Domingo German is a hard thrower, too.
He throws really hard but really doesn't have any other pitch. Remember his low home run right is probably slightly inflated by playing in the nl east at a very big park.
I kind of always thought he would be a very good reliever - that said if he can get anything out of his secondary he sits mid 90s.
He is a legitimate backup to Tex and also Beltran in RF. He is a HR hitter for the bench. Eovaldi is the basis of this trade. He's still young, throws very hard and threw 200 innings last year. That's nothing to sneeze at. Prado became expendable once Headley was signed. Give the kids a chance to compete for the 2B job. Also, don't discount the prospect German. He is supposedly a big arm and had a very nice season in low A.
Jones provides nothing but a bit of power at this point
depending on who you ask. That's actually a pretty nice get. I liked Phelps too but his career high for innings was less than 160 and that was four years ago. They're going to play a kid at 2B, so on the balance this is about the team going forward. And I'm fine with that. Link - ( New Window )
I guess I'm a bit tired of hearing about awesome A ball pitchers
Seems like they always have three or four hard throwing pitchers in A ball, and none of them ever amount to anything. Hard to get too excited over that anymore.
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 3m3 minutes ago
Yanks high on eovaldi and German. Plan to try refsnyder at 2B (pirela another option). G Jones is $ offset/backup
perhaps giving them freedom to sign a SP in FA...somehow I think that this trade brings Scherzer or Shields into the equation.
I still doubt that, they don't seem to want to hand over a 1st rounder.
And Greg I get your point about A-ball pitchers, I guess they just figure the law of averages means that sooner or later one of them is going to make it.
we dealt Peter O'Brien, an okay prospect, for Prado, and then flipped Prado and Phelps, a swingman, for a young starter and a prospect who was better than O'Brien. So that's not a bad get.
we dealt Peter O'Brien, an okay prospect, for Prado, and then flipped Prado and Phelps, a swingman, for a young starter and a prospect who was better than O'Brien. So that's not a bad get.
I do feel better about it looking at it that way. If they had dealt Phelps and O'Brien for Eovaldi/Jones(ugh)/German, that would have looked a helluva lot better. I just really like Prado and he played so well for them last year.
This deal weakens the team in the short term but might strengthen it longterm. I hope.
2B is a spot where they have a couple MLB-ready guys...
John Harper @NYDNHarper 4m4 minutes ago
Same scout on Eovaldi: "If they turn him around they have a big-time pitcher. But he really needs to learn how to pitch first.''
Eovaldi is one of the fastest pitchers in baseball.
And if Headley's back acts up or Refsnyder struggles. Their only candidate for utility infielder is Pirela and who knows if he's actually an MLB quality player?
Sweeny Murti @YankeesWFAN 3m3 minutes ago
Yankees foresee potential replacements for Teixeira (Bird) and Beltran (Judge) within 2 years. #YouthMovementHereWeCome
We had Cervelli playing first last year. Jones can at least fill in for Teix and keep Headley at first. So, he's not good except in the sense that he's a credible bat at first in Yankee stadium in a pinch.
and viewing him as one of only a couple competent professional offensive players on the team makes the trade bad at first blush...but Prado is signed for $11 million per this year and next (will be a FA in '17 at age 33). He is a band-aid, and we need to see what Pirela and Refs can do with an eye toward '17 when some lousy contracts start to come off...be smart until then.
Happy to see they are walking away from things like an extra year for McCarthy.
Bobby Milone @monkeyboy1129 2m2 minutes ago
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand 2m2 minutes ago
A-R(Odd) man out: Yankees' latest deal marginalizes Alex Rodriguez even further http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkyankees&city=newyork&i=TWT&id=81921&w=1eove&src=desktop from Wally
him and Garrett Richards. I'll admit that is one guy that occurred to me when watching him pitch, although it's a big leap to expect him to make a leap like Richards did this year before getting hurt.
The guy argues that Eovaldi should stop throwing his changeup like Richards did.
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Richards has always had better overall whiff rates than Eovaldi, so maybe those differences in breaking pitches are very important here. But it might be equally important to note that turfing a bad pitch can be as useful as improving it. If Nathan Eovaldis changeup isnt getting good results, why keep throwing it? Theres a good chance hell be better without it, if Garrett Richards history is to be believed.
Kind of a stretch, for sure, but interesting comparison.
Bobby Milone @monkeyboy1129 2m2 minutes ago
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
Wow. That's interesting. Makes the trade look pretty good for the Yanks.
Eovaldi has some good upside and gives them an arm for the back end..you get a good prospect back and Jones is not designed to be an everyday player, he's a guy that can hit homers though and give them some pop off the bench and gives us some Tex insurance being that the guy is never healthy.
he was one of the more consistent bats we had. But he was not a gold glove caliber 3B, his best position was 2B. I will say that the last time we traded a position player for a young pitcher and an A-Ball arm it was a mixed bag, but I think on the whole the deal is alright.
he was one of the more consistent bats we had. But he was not a gold glove caliber 3B, his best position was 2B. I will say that the last time we traded a position player for a young pitcher and an A-Ball arm it was a mixed bag, but I think on the whole the deal is alright.
This. I didn't expect a contender, but this team could potentially be really, really bad. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but punting the season does sting a bit.
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand 3m3 minutes ago
My best guess would be Asdrubal Cabrera if price is right. If not, maybe a trade or it could be Ref & Pirela.
Prado could be the difference, though, between an offense that's
this season because of failures in the draft, developing, and IFA for years prior to this last one. My problem right now is they seem to have no real plan
you could probably get similar offensive production from Refsnyder or Pirela and comparable versatility from Pirela. He hasn't had a good offensive season in a couple years. He is just 28, so he certainly could rebound, but his last good year was in 2012.
As for the offense, it'll probably be middling. Assuming some rebound from Beltran and performance in the range of reasonable expectations for Headley and Gregorius it should be better than it was for most of last year. The rotation should take a step backward unless Tanaka is fully healthy. The bullpen should be improved. To me this is an 85 win team, if things break well it could be an 88 or 90 win team, if it breaks in the wrong direction they could have their first losing season in forever.
way too much credit if you think he's the difference between Just Bad and 2013 Padres Bad.
Before the offseason started, you knew 5 positions were locked up (C, 1B, RF, CF, LF); if healthy. 3B, the goal was to bring Headley back (done, and had the same WAR as Prado last year). Middle Infield you'd expect some light hitting, as there's few big bats up the middle in MLB. Given the age/health of Teix, Beltran, and A-Roid, you also knew a big bat just for DH wasn't likely.
The offense for 2015 was pretty much set in stone after last off-season. If Ellsbury, McCann, and either Beltran/Teix don't come back to previous levels this year, this team was going to be a nightmare offensively, even with Prado.
the Yankees gave up their first for Max. They're not winning it this year, and if you assume that guys are near the peak when they first sign a FA contract, why not wait until next year or the year after to sign a SP to a $150MM+ contract. The marginal wins you get from a top SP won't matter if your team's offense and other SPs aren't at a level to let you content yet.
It's pretty clear that the FO isn't relying on A-Rod to produce anything of substance. Headley is an above-average third baseman even if you throw out his ridiculous career year in 2012, retaining him didn't cost the Yankees a draft pick (or the opportunity to obtain one, since Headley couldn't get a QO), and given his relatively good health record and build, he should age much better than the Pablo Sandoval's of the world. But signing him means that two of Headley/Prado/Refsnyder/Pirela would likely be sitting every day.
Prado for Eovaldi/German makes sense if you think Rothschild is going to be able to convert some of Eovaldi's raw stuff into strikeouts. Steamer gives Eovaldi a junk projection because it expects zero improvement in the strikeout category and also projects Eovaldi to give up home runs at a prodigious rate when he's suppressed home runs his entire career (this is probably because Steamer doesn't do a good job regressing home run rate for pitchers who generate a lot of weak fly ball contact).
My best guess is that Eovaldi will be somewhere around a league-average starter - he was worth three wins last year with a bit of luck and I'd expect two wins or so this year. Prado is probably a better player right now were he to play everyday, but the gap is relatively small, the Yankees get a prospect of actual value back, and Eovaldi is more likely to remain a useful player for the Yankees' next window of contention.
but I have no problem with trading him. He's not that much of a difference maker.
Eovaldi is an intriguing player. Great stuff, just doesn't know how to put it all together. Our starting pitching is an enormous question mark and getting another capable SP with upside isn't a bad way to go for the Yanks.
I'm pretty pessimistic about this upcoming season and I'm hoping they do not sign Scherzer or whoever. I'll wait until things play out by the end of the off-season before I really figure out how I truly feel about this Prado deal. But Eovaldi's got some talent and I hope our pitching coaches and scouts can help him figure it out.
I actually like Cashman's thought process with this trade,
but geez... this team couldn't hit a lick at times this past season and they just traded 1 of their 2 best hitters. The thought of counting on Tex, Beltran, McCann, and A-Rod to simply be better is rather scary. However, I'll still take the 24 year-old pitcher with excellent upside over the +30 year-old second baseman.
Let's face it, this offense was probably going to suck with or without Prado. This team isn't going to the playoffs or maybe will sneak into the second WC and get bounced. Prado was unquestionably one of our best position players but that in itself is more an indictment of our hitters than praise of Prado. By the time this team becomes good enough to really use a great utility player like Prado he would have signed elsewhere already. As for Eovaldi, the guy throws 96 97 consistently. Maybe he's a roller coaster ride every start, maybe not. It's worth seeing if they can turn him into a legit starter that will be able to help them move forward when the time comes to make that leap into relevance again.
was twentieth in the NL in quality starts with 20. If Arod can't play Beltran could DH with a platoon of Young and Jones in RF to start the season. I like it. They have now traded O'brien, Greene and Phelps for Didi, Eovaldi, Jones and young German...seems like more then a fair swap when looking at things overall.
and if they can add Moncada a farm system that many believed middling or worse is probably a year away from being easily a Top 10. Clearly it has become an organizational emphasis, and as you start to see progression with some of the A Ball kids reaching AA, the rookie ball kids hitting A Ball, and the DSL binge guys hitting rookie ball you should start seeing both depth and the sorts of B or better prospects who by progression or trade can impact the big club.
offensive deficiency, the Yankees trade a lifetime 300 hitter, who was one of the few guys who gave them a lift last summer. Can't see it. Now you know why they signed Headley. My guess is the Yankees will do nothing positive with Eovaldi. Bad deal.
I am not enamored with Prado as a starter. But, as a utility guy he would have been nice to have. He would especially have been nice as a safety net at 2B. Phelps I don't mind losing.
But Eovaldi is nothing special. I know he's only 24, but he still has spent 3 almost full seasons in the league as a starter, plus a bit of a fourth. For as hard as he throws, he doesn't get a ton of Ks and his other numbers are mediocre. Jones just flat out sucks. So, what the Hell was the point? They traded a .300 hitting versatile infielder and a guy who can start or pitch from the pen to get a A pitcher? It just doesn't make sense to me.
But, Prado would have been an insurance policy and could have filled in at several positions to give guys a day off. I guess they decided it was going to be Headley or Prado. I like both guys, but probably due to age and versatility, I think Prado makes more sense.
he is a 4-5 now and could be a lot better. His walk rate is miniscule and as many hits as he surrenders very few of them leave the yard, which is huge at Yankee Stadium. We also have the makings of a very good infield and outfield defense, which could turn an NL-high number of hits into a more respectable figure and get his WHIP into the 1.200 range. I'm not a blind homer, I think Capuano is shit and we'll be lucky to get 30 starts out of either Tanaka or Pineda and 20 out of Nova, but I like this deal.
I suspect that we may also sign a 2B to a short term deal
(Cabrera?) and give Refsnyder at least some time in AAA. If we're going for defense, we likely don't want Ref to take over 2B at this point.
Cabrera's defense is nothing special at this point. Pirela is alright on 2B defense, he is pretty natural at the position. And Refsnyder isn't that bad at defense, AAA time would help him but when it comes to offense he has nothing left to prove. Also he'd have a double play partner with crazy range who can cut into some of his deficiencies.
I read in the Post that it may be one of the non-roster signings in a
platoon. Hard to imagine keeping a bunch of light-hitting guys on the roster for platooning and bench depth, but we've done it before with some AAAA guys.
He looks like a strike thrower but not a real pitcher yet. From what I'm reading, it sounds like he's a young man who only trusts his fastball. If the Yankees can refine his approach and get some solid secondary pitches out of him, then they could really have something.
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we get a lot from the Yankee starters. That would be very exciting....Tanaka, Sabathia, Pineda, Eovaldi and Capuano with Banuelos, Mitchell, Nova and Severino waiting in the wings. That would give them a solid bridge to the single A prospects.
Interesting take. What I do like is at least this trade is for a young pitcher, not aging veterans.
If it means they have also cleared the way for Pirela and Refsnyder to truly compete against one another for the 2B job, I'm all for it. However, if it means they will simply go out and sign an older average infielder for the short term and keep both guys in the minors with no real shot this year, I don't like the deal.
Also, I do agree Eovaldi has some potential. His penchant for keeping the ball in the park is nice. But, he still gives up too many hits and in the NL his ERA fluctuated between high 3s and low 4s, which is likely to mean it will be above 4 in the AL. Without the K numbers, his lack of a real compliment plus pitch to his fastball, he isn't likely to get much better than he is. He is still worthy of shot at a #4 or #5 spot. Hopefully, they saw something that nobody else did and they develop that compliment pitch this Spring.
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How many bad moves will it take to get rid of this guy he is a horrible GM. Nathan Evoaldi is 20 games under .500 In his career 15-35 he had a 4.37 ERA last year which in Yankees stadium would of been over 5.he led the NL giving up the most hits. What is the hype??? He is a innings eater big frigin deal so was McCarthy I'd rather have McCarthy then this guy and the thing that bothers me the most is we trade the type of player we need on this team. A hard nosed all out player in Prado. Mindless move. They over pay for Headley. Prado is a better offensive player Prado mite not have the glove Headley has but he can still pick it. Headley should of never been resigned at that ridiculous amount. Prado should of been the everyday 3rd basemen and refsynder would still get his shot at second.. The problem with this team last year was offense when Prado got here the offense was better, now we are back to square one. Also I don't want to hear about Garrett Jones he stinks. Everyone will look at his 27 homeruns in Pittsburg 3 years ago and think this is a great move only reason we got him is because cashman loves these lefty hitters due to Yankees stadium. And this prospect is single A pitcher god knows if and when this guy will every step foot on a mound here. Just awful decision making the last 2 years. Cano, Robertson are examples. How is this team better now then it was the last two years.. The answer is, it's not.. 4th place this year!!!!
Ron Guidry was 26 before he came to the Bigs - how did that turnout?
Mariano Rivera similarly got blasted as a starter with 95/96 speed until he "developed" that cutter.
Eovaldi is 24? Rothschild is a good pitching coach. He helped McCarthy last year by tossing the change up away, right?. Simple fix.
You cannot teach velocity. You can teach breaking balls.
I like that they are looking younger. We here at BBI have said we could deal with a younger team that might have a marginal record than an older one that keeps getting injured. I can deal with this. It looks like they are building for the future.
(at least for a while) in identifying reclamation projects, or 'tweak projects' if you will. If he's a 4 or a 5 now, and they think they can get something more out of him then we should be excited.
And who's the guy above evaluating a young pitcher by his career record? The Marlins haven't been above .500 since 2009!
RE: Funny how people are concerned about Refsnyder's
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How many bad moves will it take to get rid of this guy he is a horrible GM. Nathan Evoaldi is 20 games under .500 In his career 15-35 he had a 4.37 ERA last year which in Yankees stadium would of been over 5.he led the NL giving up the most hits. What is the hype??? He is a innings eater big frigin deal so was McCarthy I'd rather have McCarthy then this guy and the thing that bothers me the most is we trade the type of player we need on this team. A hard nosed all out player in Prado. Mindless move. They over pay for Headley. Prado is a better offensive player Prado mite not have the glove Headley has but he can still pick it. Headley should of never been resigned at that ridiculous amount. Prado should of been the everyday 3rd basemen and refsynder would still get his shot at second.. The problem with this team last year was offense when Prado got here the offense was better, now we are back to square one. Also I don't want to hear about Garrett Jones he stinks. Everyone will look at his 27 homeruns in Pittsburg 3 years ago and think this is a great move only reason we got him is because cashman loves these lefty hitters due to Yankees stadium. And this prospect is single A pitcher god knows if and when this guy will every step foot on a mound here. Just awful decision making the last 2 years. Cano, Robertson are examples. How is this team better now then it was the last two years.. The answer is, it's not.. 4th place this year!!!!
Prado's performance with the Yanks last year was well ahead of his career norms and unsustainable, in much the same way that his underperformance with Arizona was well below them. Headley's offensive upside is comparable to Prado (both likely in the .750 OPS range) and his glove is better, especially at 3B. So Headley with his deal plus Eovaldi and the prospect (Jones sucks but at least he's a serviceable backup for Teix) give the Yanks more on the whole than Prado and Phelps do. Cashman made the decision that it was better to acquire pitching this way than free agency, and considering we had to pay $5 mil to retain the services of Chris fucking Capuano it's tough to argue with that.
this all revolves around Eovaldi. If they can coach him up...well then they managed to get younger and better at the same time.
You look at the videos and the young man has some talent. I think he will benefit from being around Pineda, Sabathia and Tanaka. Looking at the upside only...that could wind up being a very good pitching staff.
Eovaldi is better than some are giving him credit for.
His BB% has gone down each season he's been in the Majors. Last season, he was between Wainwright and Grienke when it came to BB%. The only guys with better HR rates than him last season were basically the best pitchers in the NL (Kershaw, Wainwright, Ross, Zimmermann, Hamels).
Yes, he'll be moving to a much smaller park and yes his K rate needs to get better, but he's got a lot of good stuff (peripherals, velocity, health) to work with. An already soft lineup got worse by trading Prado, but this is the type of guy you make this trade for. Hopefully, it works out.
is that Eovaldi's pitch mix and profile is very similar to what Garrett Richards threw prior to this past season. The breaking pitches aren't quite as sharp as Richards' are, but it's the same profile. One of the keys to Richards making a leap last year was to stop throwing his awful changeup and replace those changeups with more sliders. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a noticeable shift in Eovaldi's pitch mix this season to try and unlock a bit of SwStr% and get that K rate up a bit.
Also keep in mind when adjusting Eovaldi to the Yankees, that the difference in pitch framing between Saltalamacchia and McCann is more than 30 runs by some metrics. That's a massive difference.
It makes much more sense to try and acquire arms with
have to get his K rate up dramatically to be a good pitcher. I would much rather him pitch into the 7 inning consistently then K 9 per 9. Keeping the ball in the park, not walking guys are just as important if not more so.
I have to say I like this team. I know there is a lot of what if on this team but with good health the Yankees will compete for the division.
Historically the Yankees have won multiple times with young middle infielders so not concerned about youth there. I don't think Didi has had a true everyday chance at SS in the majors to see what he can do but he did do what a young player should and that was hit in the PCL last year. Refsnyder has shown remarkable consistency with his offense all through the minors...he hardly ever goes into slumps as he always seems to manage getting on base in some manor and his defense if only going to get better going forward. If Pirela beats him out so be it...
I think many are selling Headley short...he has a career OPS on the road of .799 and will now be playing in hitters parks over 100+ games a year compared to playing in pitchers parks 100 plus games a year.
I like the Garret Jones pick up...he is average defensively in both RF and 1st base. He brings power and is better and more versatile then Ichiro.
We have no idea what Arod can do but right now he's been marginalized without a role. I think he's done and will not make opening day.
While I don't like Chris Young he could surprise but if he sucks maybe Adonis Garcia could have a role on this years team.
As for the starting pitching it's about health with Tanaka, Pineda and CC but you have to believe they will be healthy. Eovaldi I like as a Greene replacement. Capuano has always been a good first half of the season pitcher so hopefully he does well until replaced maybe with Nova. There will also be McCarthy like trade opportunities especially if the Yankees take on money now that they are over the tax threshold. Plus they still have Mitchell, Banuelos and Whitley plus Warren was told to come to camp as a starter.
The pen will sort itself out...the Yankees have a lot of relief talent coming up from the minors so it should be much better then last year...so overall I like this team...with health in the rotation and with at least 7 of the lineup spots likely to sport a wRC+ better then 105 this team should compete and be fun to watch.
Looks like Yanks-Marlins deal may expand beyond Eovaldi & Prado. @flasportsbuzz said it would be Eovaldi and Garrett Jones for Prado/Phelps.
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Hopefully as little as possible, because he's an out machine
The Yankees will also be getting another player besides Eovaldi and Jones, in return for Phelps and Prado, in deal reported elsewhere.
On the other hand, while it seems that they should be able to get a better deal for Prado, they just got him for Peter O'Brien so perhaps his value still isn't very high.
source: Yanks close to getting RHP Nathan Eovaldi and other (maybe Garrett Jones) for Prado and Phelps @JackCurryYES and @flasportsbuzz 1st
According to @Joelsherman1, Yankees are also getting Class A pitcher Domingo German. He was 9-3, 2.25 ERA, 123 1/2 IPs, 113K, 25W last year.
Throws really hard. Touches upper 90's on his FB but doesn't generate many swings and misses and doesn't strike a ton of guys out considering how hard he throws. I think the question with him has always been whether he can develop enough secondary stuff to go along with his FB because he throws it a ton and the only other pitch he really uses is a slider.
3.37 FIP last year, still a young guy with upside.
Could this mean another starter is coming? Apologies in advance.
I kind of always thought he would be a very good reliever - that said if he can get anything out of his secondary he sits mid 90s.
That's exactly what this is and i'm 100% on board with it.
How about he's just turning 25, has MLB experience, throws in the upper 90's and there's a lot there for Dr. Rothschield.
This deal doesn't need an "Analytics Dept" to be labeled a no-brainer.
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Yanks high on eovaldi and German. Plan to try refsnyder at 2B (pirela another option). G Jones is $ offset/backup
I still doubt that, they don't seem to want to hand over a 1st rounder.
And Greg I get your point about A-ball pitchers, I guess they just figure the law of averages means that sooner or later one of them is going to make it.
Sadly that's a possibility too.
Who plays 3rd?
Who plays 3rd?
Pirela or Ryan. Pirela is a pretty good utility guy.
I do feel better about it looking at it that way. If they had dealt Phelps and O'Brien for Eovaldi/Jones(ugh)/German, that would have looked a helluva lot better. I just really like Prado and he played so well for them last year.
This deal weakens the team in the short term but might strengthen it longterm. I hope.
Haha, thank you, Greg. Butcher-bench-pop.
Not that long ago Nathan Eovaldi was the main piece Miami got back for Hanley Ramirez. Plenty of potential here.
Same scout on Eovaldi: "If they turn him around they have a big-time pitcher. But he really needs to learn how to pitch first.''
Yankees foresee potential replacements for Teixeira (Bird) and Beltran (Judge) within 2 years. #YouthMovementHereWeCome
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Can confirm @AdamRubinESPN #Yankees obtained Gonzalez Germen from #Mets for cash considerations
Preston Claiborne DFA'd
Preston Claiborne DFA'd
Wow the bottom dropped out for Claiborne. Thought he would be a good set up man.
Happy to see they are walking away from things like an extra year for McCarthy.
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
A-R(Odd) man out: Yankees' latest deal marginalizes Alex Rodriguez even further http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkyankees&city=newyork&i=TWT&id=81921&w=1eove&src=desktop from Wally
The guy argues that Eovaldi should stop throwing his changeup like Richards did.
Kind of a stretch, for sure, but interesting comparison.
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
Wow. That's interesting. Makes the trade look pretty good for the Yanks.
Cut payroll..they just gave Headley a dumb contract I'll take Prado's 8 million over that anyday.
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perhaps giving them freedom to sign a SP in FA...somehow I think that this trade brings Scherzer or Shields into the equation.
Cut payroll..they just gave Headley a dumb contract I'll take Prado's 8 million over that anyday.
Prado makes 11
What last time are you thinking of?
Well I guess it WAS a mixed bag, but the Mariners would probably love to undo that deal now.
Maybe we will miss Prado. Maybe Refsnyder/Pirela approximate his production.
This. I didn't expect a contender, but this team could potentially be really, really bad. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but punting the season does sting a bit.
My best guess would be Asdrubal Cabrera if price is right. If not, maybe a trade or it could be Ref & Pirela.
As for the offense, it'll probably be middling. Assuming some rebound from Beltran and performance in the range of reasonable expectations for Headley and Gregorius it should be better than it was for most of last year. The rotation should take a step backward unless Tanaka is fully healthy. The bullpen should be improved. To me this is an 85 win team, if things break well it could be an 88 or 90 win team, if it breaks in the wrong direction they could have their first losing season in forever.
Before the offseason started, you knew 5 positions were locked up (C, 1B, RF, CF, LF); if healthy. 3B, the goal was to bring Headley back (done, and had the same WAR as Prado last year). Middle Infield you'd expect some light hitting, as there's few big bats up the middle in MLB. Given the age/health of Teix, Beltran, and A-Roid, you also knew a big bat just for DH wasn't likely.
The offense for 2015 was pretty much set in stone after last off-season. If Ellsbury, McCann, and either Beltran/Teix don't come back to previous levels this year, this team was going to be a nightmare offensively, even with Prado.
Prado for Eovaldi/German makes sense if you think Rothschild is going to be able to convert some of Eovaldi's raw stuff into strikeouts. Steamer gives Eovaldi a junk projection because it expects zero improvement in the strikeout category and also projects Eovaldi to give up home runs at a prodigious rate when he's suppressed home runs his entire career (this is probably because Steamer doesn't do a good job regressing home run rate for pitchers who generate a lot of weak fly ball contact).
My best guess is that Eovaldi will be somewhere around a league-average starter - he was worth three wins last year with a bit of luck and I'd expect two wins or so this year. Prado is probably a better player right now were he to play everyday, but the gap is relatively small, the Yankees get a prospect of actual value back, and Eovaldi is more likely to remain a useful player for the Yankees' next window of contention.
Eovaldi is an intriguing player. Great stuff, just doesn't know how to put it all together. Our starting pitching is an enormous question mark and getting another capable SP with upside isn't a bad way to go for the Yanks.
I'm pretty pessimistic about this upcoming season and I'm hoping they do not sign Scherzer or whoever. I'll wait until things play out by the end of the off-season before I really figure out how I truly feel about this Prado deal. But Eovaldi's got some talent and I hope our pitching coaches and scouts can help him figure it out.
Here's your shot Ref.
I thought Phelps was a AAAA pitcher far too often and Prado, while solid, wasn't in the future plans and overpaid for what he is likely to give us.
Solid move overall.
But Eovaldi is nothing special. I know he's only 24, but he still has spent 3 almost full seasons in the league as a starter, plus a bit of a fourth. For as hard as he throws, he doesn't get a ton of Ks and his other numbers are mediocre. Jones just flat out sucks. So, what the Hell was the point? They traded a .300 hitting versatile infielder and a guy who can start or pitch from the pen to get a A pitcher? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Cabrera's defense is nothing special at this point. Pirela is alright on 2B defense, he is pretty natural at the position. And Refsnyder isn't that bad at defense, AAA time would help him but when it comes to offense he has nothing left to prove. Also he'd have a double play partner with crazy range who can cut into some of his deficiencies.
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we get a lot from the Yankee starters. That would be very exciting....Tanaka, Sabathia, Pineda, Eovaldi and Capuano with Banuelos, Mitchell, Nova and Severino waiting in the wings. That would give them a solid bridge to the single A prospects.
If it means they have also cleared the way for Pirela and Refsnyder to truly compete against one another for the 2B job, I'm all for it. However, if it means they will simply go out and sign an older average infielder for the short term and keep both guys in the minors with no real shot this year, I don't like the deal.
Also, I do agree Eovaldi has some potential. His penchant for keeping the ball in the park is nice. But, he still gives up too many hits and in the NL his ERA fluctuated between high 3s and low 4s, which is likely to mean it will be above 4 in the AL. Without the K numbers, his lack of a real compliment plus pitch to his fastball, he isn't likely to get much better than he is. He is still worthy of shot at a #4 or #5 spot. Hopefully, they saw something that nobody else did and they develop that compliment pitch this Spring.
How many bad moves will it take to get rid of this guy he is a horrible GM. Nathan Evoaldi is 20 games under .500 In his career 15-35 he had a 4.37 ERA last year which in Yankees stadium would of been over 5.he led the NL giving up the most hits. What is the hype??? He is a innings eater big frigin deal so was McCarthy I'd rather have McCarthy then this guy and the thing that bothers me the most is we trade the type of player we need on this team. A hard nosed all out player in Prado. Mindless move. They over pay for Headley. Prado is a better offensive player Prado mite not have the glove Headley has but he can still pick it. Headley should of never been resigned at that ridiculous amount. Prado should of been the everyday 3rd basemen and refsynder would still get his shot at second.. The problem with this team last year was offense when Prado got here the offense was better, now we are back to square one. Also I don't want to hear about Garrett Jones he stinks. Everyone will look at his 27 homeruns in Pittsburg 3 years ago and think this is a great move only reason we got him is because cashman loves these lefty hitters due to Yankees stadium. And this prospect is single A pitcher god knows if and when this guy will every step foot on a mound here. Just awful decision making the last 2 years. Cano, Robertson are examples. How is this team better now then it was the last two years.. The answer is, it's not.. 4th place this year!!!!
Exactly. Hard nosed all out clutch player something that is lacked big time On this team but now that's gone
Mariano Rivera similarly got blasted as a starter with 95/96 speed until he "developed" that cutter.
Eovaldi is 24? Rothschild is a good pitching coach. He helped McCarthy last year by tossing the change up away, right?. Simple fix.
You cannot teach velocity. You can teach breaking balls.
I like that they are looking younger. We here at BBI have said we could deal with a younger team that might have a marginal record than an older one that keeps getting injured. I can deal with this. It looks like they are building for the future.
And who's the guy above evaluating a young pitcher by his career record? The Marlins haven't been above .500 since 2009!
Jagielo is at least a year away though, they'll worry about his defense when he's in the convo for playing time, if he's still in the org.
How many bad moves will it take to get rid of this guy he is a horrible GM. Nathan Evoaldi is 20 games under .500 In his career 15-35 he had a 4.37 ERA last year which in Yankees stadium would of been over 5.he led the NL giving up the most hits. What is the hype??? He is a innings eater big frigin deal so was McCarthy I'd rather have McCarthy then this guy and the thing that bothers me the most is we trade the type of player we need on this team. A hard nosed all out player in Prado. Mindless move. They over pay for Headley. Prado is a better offensive player Prado mite not have the glove Headley has but he can still pick it. Headley should of never been resigned at that ridiculous amount. Prado should of been the everyday 3rd basemen and refsynder would still get his shot at second.. The problem with this team last year was offense when Prado got here the offense was better, now we are back to square one. Also I don't want to hear about Garrett Jones he stinks. Everyone will look at his 27 homeruns in Pittsburg 3 years ago and think this is a great move only reason we got him is because cashman loves these lefty hitters due to Yankees stadium. And this prospect is single A pitcher god knows if and when this guy will every step foot on a mound here. Just awful decision making the last 2 years. Cano, Robertson are examples. How is this team better now then it was the last two years.. The answer is, it's not.. 4th place this year!!!!
Prado's performance with the Yanks last year was well ahead of his career norms and unsustainable, in much the same way that his underperformance with Arizona was well below them. Headley's offensive upside is comparable to Prado (both likely in the .750 OPS range) and his glove is better, especially at 3B. So Headley with his deal plus Eovaldi and the prospect (Jones sucks but at least he's a serviceable backup for Teix) give the Yanks more on the whole than Prado and Phelps do. Cashman made the decision that it was better to acquire pitching this way than free agency, and considering we had to pay $5 mil to retain the services of Chris fucking Capuano it's tough to argue with that.
You look at the videos and the young man has some talent. I think he will benefit from being around Pineda, Sabathia and Tanaka. Looking at the upside only...that could wind up being a very good pitching staff.
Yes, he'll be moving to a much smaller park and yes his K rate needs to get better, but he's got a lot of good stuff (peripherals, velocity, health) to work with. An already soft lineup got worse by trading Prado, but this is the type of guy you make this trade for. Hopefully, it works out.
Also keep in mind when adjusting Eovaldi to the Yankees, that the difference in pitch framing between Saltalamacchia and McCann is more than 30 runs by some metrics. That's a massive difference.
Historically the Yankees have won multiple times with young middle infielders so not concerned about youth there. I don't think Didi has had a true everyday chance at SS in the majors to see what he can do but he did do what a young player should and that was hit in the PCL last year. Refsnyder has shown remarkable consistency with his offense all through the minors...he hardly ever goes into slumps as he always seems to manage getting on base in some manor and his defense if only going to get better going forward. If Pirela beats him out so be it...
I think many are selling Headley short...he has a career OPS on the road of .799 and will now be playing in hitters parks over 100+ games a year compared to playing in pitchers parks 100 plus games a year.
I like the Garret Jones pick up...he is average defensively in both RF and 1st base. He brings power and is better and more versatile then Ichiro.
We have no idea what Arod can do but right now he's been marginalized without a role. I think he's done and will not make opening day.
While I don't like Chris Young he could surprise but if he sucks maybe Adonis Garcia could have a role on this years team.
As for the starting pitching it's about health with Tanaka, Pineda and CC but you have to believe they will be healthy. Eovaldi I like as a Greene replacement. Capuano has always been a good first half of the season pitcher so hopefully he does well until replaced maybe with Nova. There will also be McCarthy like trade opportunities especially if the Yankees take on money now that they are over the tax threshold. Plus they still have Mitchell, Banuelos and Whitley plus Warren was told to come to camp as a starter.
The pen will sort itself out...the Yankees have a lot of relief talent coming up from the minors so it should be much better then last year...so overall I like this team...with health in the rotation and with at least 7 of the lineup spots likely to sport a wRC+ better then 105 this team should compete and be fun to watch.