we dealt Peter O'Brien, an okay prospect, for Prado, and then flipped Prado and Phelps, a swingman, for a young starter and a prospect who was better than O'Brien. So that's not a bad get.
I do feel better about it looking at it that way. If they had dealt Phelps and O'Brien for Eovaldi/Jones(ugh)/German, that would have looked a helluva lot better. I just really like Prado and he played so well for them last year.
This deal weakens the team in the short term but might strengthen it longterm. I hope.
2B is a spot where they have a couple MLB-ready guys... Â
John Harper þ@NYDNHarper · 4m4 minutes ago
Same scout on Eovaldi: "If they turn him around they have a big-time pitcher. But he really needs to learn how to pitch first.''
Eovaldi is one of the fastest pitchers in baseball. Â
And if Headley's back acts up or Refsnyder struggles. Their only candidate for utility infielder is Pirela and who knows if he's actually an MLB quality player?
Sweeny Murti þ@YankeesWFAN · 3m3 minutes ago
Yankees foresee potential replacements for Teixeira (Bird) and Beltran (Judge) within 2 years. #YouthMovementHereWeCome
We had Cervelli playing first last year. Jones can at least fill in for Teix and keep Headley at first. So, he's not good except in the sense that he's a credible bat at first in Yankee stadium in a pinch.
and viewing him as one of only a couple competent professional offensive players on the team makes the trade bad at first blush...but Prado is signed for $11 million per this year and next (will be a FA in '17 at age 33). He is a band-aid, and we need to see what Pirela and Refs can do with an eye toward '17 when some lousy contracts start to come off...be smart until then.
Happy to see they are walking away from things like an extra year for McCarthy.
Bobby Milone þ@monkeyboy1129 · 2m2 minutes ago
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
Andrew Marchand þ@AndrewMarchand · 2m2 minutes ago
A-R(Odd) man out: Yankees' latest deal marginalizes Alex Rodriguez even further http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkyankees&city=newyork&i=TWT&id=81921&w=1eove&src=desktop … from Wally
him and Garrett Richards. I'll admit that is one guy that occurred to me when watching him pitch, although it's a big leap to expect him to make a leap like Richards did this year before getting hurt.
The guy argues that Eovaldi should stop throwing his changeup like Richards did.
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Richards has always had better overall whiff rates than Eovaldi, so maybe those differences in breaking pitches are very important here. But it might be equally important to note that turfing a bad pitch can be as useful as improving it. If Nathan Eovaldi‘s changeup isn’t getting good results, why keep throwing it? There’s a good chance he’ll be better without it, if Garrett Richards‘ history is to be believed.
Kind of a stretch, for sure, but interesting comparison.
Bobby Milone þ@monkeyboy1129 · 2m2 minutes ago
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
Wow. That's interesting. Makes the trade look pretty good for the Yanks.
Eovaldi has some good upside and gives them an arm for the back end..you get a good prospect back and Jones is not designed to be an everyday player, he's a guy that can hit homers though and give them some pop off the bench and gives us some Tex insurance being that the guy is never healthy.
he was one of the more consistent bats we had. But he was not a gold glove caliber 3B, his best position was 2B. I will say that the last time we traded a position player for a young pitcher and an A-Ball arm it was a mixed bag, but I think on the whole the deal is alright.
he was one of the more consistent bats we had. But he was not a gold glove caliber 3B, his best position was 2B. I will say that the last time we traded a position player for a young pitcher and an A-Ball arm it was a mixed bag, but I think on the whole the deal is alright.
This. I didn't expect a contender, but this team could potentially be really, really bad. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but punting the season does sting a bit.
Andrew Marchand þ@AndrewMarchand · 3m3 minutes ago
My best guess would be Asdrubal Cabrera if price is right. If not, maybe a trade or it could be Ref & Pirela.
Prado could be the difference, though, between an offense that's Â
this season because of failures in the draft, developing, and IFA for years prior to this last one. My problem right now is they seem to have no real plan
you could probably get similar offensive production from Refsnyder or Pirela and comparable versatility from Pirela. He hasn't had a good offensive season in a couple years. He is just 28, so he certainly could rebound, but his last good year was in 2012.
As for the offense, it'll probably be middling. Assuming some rebound from Beltran and performance in the range of reasonable expectations for Headley and Gregorius it should be better than it was for most of last year. The rotation should take a step backward unless Tanaka is fully healthy. The bullpen should be improved. To me this is an 85 win team, if things break well it could be an 88 or 90 win team, if it breaks in the wrong direction they could have their first losing season in forever.
way too much credit if you think he's the difference between Just Bad and 2013 Padres Bad.
Before the offseason started, you knew 5 positions were locked up (C, 1B, RF, CF, LF); if healthy. 3B, the goal was to bring Headley back (done, and had the same WAR as Prado last year). Middle Infield you'd expect some light hitting, as there's few big bats up the middle in MLB. Given the age/health of Teix, Beltran, and A-Roid, you also knew a big bat just for DH wasn't likely.
The offense for 2015 was pretty much set in stone after last off-season. If Ellsbury, McCann, and either Beltran/Teix don't come back to previous levels this year, this team was going to be a nightmare offensively, even with Prado.
the Yankees gave up their first for Max. They're not winning it this year, and if you assume that guys are near the peak when they first sign a FA contract, why not wait until next year or the year after to sign a SP to a $150MM+ contract. The marginal wins you get from a top SP won't matter if your team's offense and other SPs aren't at a level to let you content yet.
It's pretty clear that the FO isn't relying on A-Rod to produce anything of substance. Headley is an above-average third baseman even if you throw out his ridiculous career year in 2012, retaining him didn't cost the Yankees a draft pick (or the opportunity to obtain one, since Headley couldn't get a QO), and given his relatively good health record and build, he should age much better than the Pablo Sandoval's of the world. But signing him means that two of Headley/Prado/Refsnyder/Pirela would likely be sitting every day.
Prado for Eovaldi/German makes sense if you think Rothschild is going to be able to convert some of Eovaldi's raw stuff into strikeouts. Steamer gives Eovaldi a junk projection because it expects zero improvement in the strikeout category and also projects Eovaldi to give up home runs at a prodigious rate when he's suppressed home runs his entire career (this is probably because Steamer doesn't do a good job regressing home run rate for pitchers who generate a lot of weak fly ball contact).
My best guess is that Eovaldi will be somewhere around a league-average starter - he was worth three wins last year with a bit of luck and I'd expect two wins or so this year. Prado is probably a better player right now were he to play everyday, but the gap is relatively small, the Yankees get a prospect of actual value back, and Eovaldi is more likely to remain a useful player for the Yankees' next window of contention.
but I have no problem with trading him. He's not that much of a difference maker.
Eovaldi is an intriguing player. Great stuff, just doesn't know how to put it all together. Our starting pitching is an enormous question mark and getting another capable SP with upside isn't a bad way to go for the Yanks.
I'm pretty pessimistic about this upcoming season and I'm hoping they do not sign Scherzer or whoever. I'll wait until things play out by the end of the off-season before I really figure out how I truly feel about this Prado deal. But Eovaldi's got some talent and I hope our pitching coaches and scouts can help him figure it out.
I actually like Cashman's thought process with this trade, Â
but geez... this team couldn't hit a lick at times this past season and they just traded 1 of their 2 best hitters. The thought of counting on Tex, Beltran, McCann, and A-Rod to simply be better is rather scary. However, I'll still take the 24 year-old pitcher with excellent upside over the +30 year-old second baseman.
Let's face it, this offense was probably going to suck with or without Prado. This team isn't going to the playoffs or maybe will sneak into the second WC and get bounced. Prado was unquestionably one of our best position players but that in itself is more an indictment of our hitters than praise of Prado. By the time this team becomes good enough to really use a great utility player like Prado he would have signed elsewhere already. As for Eovaldi, the guy throws 96 97 consistently. Maybe he's a roller coaster ride every start, maybe not. It's worth seeing if they can turn him into a legit starter that will be able to help them move forward when the time comes to make that leap into relevance again.
I do feel better about it looking at it that way. If they had dealt Phelps and O'Brien for Eovaldi/Jones(ugh)/German, that would have looked a helluva lot better. I just really like Prado and he played so well for them last year.
This deal weakens the team in the short term but might strengthen it longterm. I hope.
Haha, thank you, Greg. Butcher-bench-pop.
Not that long ago Nathan Eovaldi was the main piece Miami got back for Hanley Ramirez. Plenty of potential here.
Same scout on Eovaldi: "If they turn him around they have a big-time pitcher. But he really needs to learn how to pitch first.''
Yankees foresee potential replacements for Teixeira (Bird) and Beltran (Judge) within 2 years. #YouthMovementHereWeCome
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Can confirm @AdamRubinESPN #Yankees obtained Gonzalez Germen from #Mets for cash considerations
Preston Claiborne DFA'd
Preston Claiborne DFA'd
Wow the bottom dropped out for Claiborne. Thought he would be a good set up man.
Happy to see they are walking away from things like an extra year for McCarthy.
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
A-R(Odd) man out: Yankees' latest deal marginalizes Alex Rodriguez even further http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkyankees&city=newyork&i=TWT&id=81921&w=1eove&src=desktop … from Wally
The guy argues that Eovaldi should stop throwing his changeup like Richards did.
Kind of a stretch, for sure, but interesting comparison.
According to http://MLB.com prospect watch, Domingo German is the Yanks 7th best prospect, Mitchell now off list
Wow. That's interesting. Makes the trade look pretty good for the Yanks.
Cut payroll..they just gave Headley a dumb contract I'll take Prado's 8 million over that anyday.
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perhaps giving them freedom to sign a SP in FA...somehow I think that this trade brings Scherzer or Shields into the equation.
Cut payroll..they just gave Headley a dumb contract I'll take Prado's 8 million over that anyday.
Prado makes 11
What last time are you thinking of?
Well I guess it WAS a mixed bag, but the Mariners would probably love to undo that deal now.
Maybe we will miss Prado. Maybe Refsnyder/Pirela approximate his production.
This. I didn't expect a contender, but this team could potentially be really, really bad. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but punting the season does sting a bit.
My best guess would be Asdrubal Cabrera if price is right. If not, maybe a trade or it could be Ref & Pirela.
As for the offense, it'll probably be middling. Assuming some rebound from Beltran and performance in the range of reasonable expectations for Headley and Gregorius it should be better than it was for most of last year. The rotation should take a step backward unless Tanaka is fully healthy. The bullpen should be improved. To me this is an 85 win team, if things break well it could be an 88 or 90 win team, if it breaks in the wrong direction they could have their first losing season in forever.
Before the offseason started, you knew 5 positions were locked up (C, 1B, RF, CF, LF); if healthy. 3B, the goal was to bring Headley back (done, and had the same WAR as Prado last year). Middle Infield you'd expect some light hitting, as there's few big bats up the middle in MLB. Given the age/health of Teix, Beltran, and A-Roid, you also knew a big bat just for DH wasn't likely.
The offense for 2015 was pretty much set in stone after last off-season. If Ellsbury, McCann, and either Beltran/Teix don't come back to previous levels this year, this team was going to be a nightmare offensively, even with Prado.
Prado for Eovaldi/German makes sense if you think Rothschild is going to be able to convert some of Eovaldi's raw stuff into strikeouts. Steamer gives Eovaldi a junk projection because it expects zero improvement in the strikeout category and also projects Eovaldi to give up home runs at a prodigious rate when he's suppressed home runs his entire career (this is probably because Steamer doesn't do a good job regressing home run rate for pitchers who generate a lot of weak fly ball contact).
My best guess is that Eovaldi will be somewhere around a league-average starter - he was worth three wins last year with a bit of luck and I'd expect two wins or so this year. Prado is probably a better player right now were he to play everyday, but the gap is relatively small, the Yankees get a prospect of actual value back, and Eovaldi is more likely to remain a useful player for the Yankees' next window of contention.
Eovaldi is an intriguing player. Great stuff, just doesn't know how to put it all together. Our starting pitching is an enormous question mark and getting another capable SP with upside isn't a bad way to go for the Yanks.
I'm pretty pessimistic about this upcoming season and I'm hoping they do not sign Scherzer or whoever. I'll wait until things play out by the end of the off-season before I really figure out how I truly feel about this Prado deal. But Eovaldi's got some talent and I hope our pitching coaches and scouts can help him figure it out.
Here's your shot Ref.
I thought Phelps was a AAAA pitcher far too often and Prado, while solid, wasn't in the future plans and overpaid for what he is likely to give us.
Solid move overall.