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4 years ago today... perhaps the darkest day in NYG history

mac attack : 12/19/2014 3:08 pm



I know for many of us, this may have been to most brutal loss in our time.

Hard to believe it's been four whole years.

I still remember enjoying myself in the first half, but having a bad feeling that we needed to pile it on in order to put them away. When they recovered the on-side kick, I knew we were in for a doozy. Never could I imagine the events that followed...

Discuss where you were and what you went thru in the subsequent hours, days, and months :
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Mac...don't take this personally  
I Love Clams Casino : 12/19/2014 3:11 pm : link
but I hate you
Pretty dark  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 3:11 pm : link
The fumble was a pretty dark day also.
As was that day in January 2003 in San Francisco  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 3:12 pm : link
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Dodge was terrible  
chrispisano66 : 12/19/2014 3:17 pm : link
but what TC did to him that day is IMO one of his worst moves as head coach of the Giants. There were a million reasons the Eagles won that day, none bigger than TC himself not having the hands team out for an obvious onside kick, or re-inserting O'Hara who was cooked, back into the starting lineup.

Win as a team, lose as a team.
Clams...  
mac attack : 12/19/2014 3:18 pm : link
Have to endure the bad to enjoy the good. I know its a soft spot for a lot of us, but it should never go forgotten. I still believe that loss was a major reason for our turn around in 2011.

Jeff...
I agree SF playoff loss was gut wrenching. 2002 may have been the most complete Giants team I've ever witnessed (I wasnt around for '86). But let me point out I said "perhaps the darkest day." Darkest day definitely up for debate/
what is great is  
Mr. Nickels : 12/19/2014 3:18 pm : link
the very next year we won the super bowl when everyone thought it was the Eagles that was going to be the best team. I mean a rejuvenated Michael Vick and a prime Desean Jackson I don't think I have ever hated an Eagles team as bad as I hated the 2010 2011 version.
This one destroyed me  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:19 pm : link
I was 13 years old. By the time that sonofabitch was in the tunnel, I had bolted out of the house already. Got on my bike and just rode around aimlessly for hours, numb with rage.
doh  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:19 pm : link
Forgot the pic

Why?! Just why?  
djl8699 : 12/19/2014 3:19 pm : link
It's Friday, I was having a good day, only a few more hours in the office before I enjoy a well earned Friday night of schmoozing and boozing. And then you bring this up...fer shame.
RE: what is great is  
mac attack : 12/19/2014 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12043322 Mr. Nickels said:
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the very next year we won the super bowl when everyone thought it was the Eagles that was going to be the best team. I mean a rejuvenated Michael Vick and a prime Desean Jackson I don't think I have ever hated an Eagles team as bad as I hated the 2010 2011 version.


2011 Eagles were the Dream Team... Many were picking Jets/Eagles Super Bowl in preseason. Which made our run that much more sweet. Especially Christmas Eve.
RE: Dodge was terrible  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12043320 chrispisano66 said:
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but what TC did to him that day is IMO one of his worst moves as head coach of the Giants. There were a million reasons the Eagles won that day, none bigger than TC himself not having the hands team out for an obvious onside kick, or re-inserting O'Hara who was cooked, back into the starting lineup.

Win as a team, lose as a team.


And completely agree about that. Kenny Phillips was a much bigger culprit than Matt Dodge but Coughlin didn't run out to embarrass him on national television when he took the worst angle I've ever seen on Celek.
RE: RE: Dodge was terrible  
BrettNYG10 : 12/19/2014 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12043332 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12043320 chrispisano66 said:


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but what TC did to him that day is IMO one of his worst moves as head coach of the Giants. There were a million reasons the Eagles won that day, none bigger than TC himself not having the hands team out for an obvious onside kick, or re-inserting O'Hara who was cooked, back into the starting lineup.

Win as a team, lose as a team.



And completely agree about that. Kenny Phillips was a much bigger culprit than Matt Dodge but Coughlin didn't run out to embarrass him on national television when he took the worst angle I've ever seen on Celek.


Agreed with both of you.
Thanks for bringing that up Mac. BAH! HUMBUG!  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 3:22 pm : link
And no it wasn't the darkest day in Giants history. On the field The Fumble in 1978 was. Off the field I would say Troy Archer being killed in a car accident was.
The one thing I remember from that Rams  
GIANTS128 : 12/19/2014 3:22 pm : link
game is how quiet the stadium got....you could have heard a pin drop
The days that really stand out to me as killer are:  
Deej : 12/19/2014 3:22 pm : link
1) The Flipper game above
2) Getting throttled in the SB by the Ravens
3) Sehorn blowing out his knee returning kicks in a preseason game
Coached up by Teflon Tommy Quinn!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/19/2014 3:22 pm : link
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Unless you witnessed the  
dune69 : 12/19/2014 3:23 pm : link
'60's and '70's, you did not see the darkest days.
RE: doh  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12043325 Greg from LI said:
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Forgot the pic



Bill Parcells said that was the worst in game coaching job he ever did. They dominated that game but couldn't score.
Plaxico shooting himself (and the Giants season)  
GIANTSr01 : 12/19/2014 3:24 pm : link
was pretty grim too. They looked unstoppable up to that point...
How does Manningham, in the air....  
MOOPS : 12/19/2014 3:24 pm : link
and almost two feet out of bounds, fumble the ball back in bounds?
My guess is the darkest days were the late 60's  
Bill L : 12/19/2014 3:24 pm : link
early 70's But I would need to check the Farmer's Almanac.
RE: My guess is the darkest days were the late 60's  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 3:25 pm : link
In comment 12043349 Bill L said:
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early 70's But I would need to check the Farmer's Almanac.


Yes, the 1860s and 70s.
Eh...  
BlackLight : 12/19/2014 3:25 pm : link
It was horrible that day, and it effectively blew up our shot to make the playoffs, but in the grand scheme of things, it was meaningless. We won the Super Bowl the following year.

You could easily say the Fumble was a good thing, on balance. Does anything in the next decade happen the same way, if we don't blow that game?

The 2003 San Francisco game still hurts the most for me, but even that set the table for better things.
Flipper fucking Anderson  
RobCarpenter : 12/19/2014 3:26 pm : link
If I close my eyes I can still see him running into the tunnel after the catch.

It still hurts.
ehh  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/19/2014 3:27 pm : link
I honestly look back on the Fumble as the most important play in NYG history.

As for the 2010 game, even Tom Coughlin talks about how it served as motivation for 2011.

I'll trade a game like that for a Super Bowl any time.
This one was pretty bad  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 3:27 pm : link
And tends to get overlooked.
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the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/19/2014 3:28 pm : link
2002 New York Giants had a legit shot at the Super Bowl. They could have beaten Tampa.
Parcells might consider it his worst coaching job  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:29 pm : link
But the goat was Simms. Outside of the '85 Bears game, which was understandable given the conditions and opponent, that was by far his worst playoff performance. He was terrible that day.

I just never, ever thought they'd lose that game to the fuckin' Rams. Not at home.
For me, it's between the Eagles and Niners games  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 3:29 pm : link
Tough time deciding, but I'll have to go with the Niners game because it was a playoff game and we got screwed by the officials.
Blacklight,while it's true that in hindsight The Fumble was a blessing  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 3:30 pm : link
in disguise, if you lived through that early '70s era and saw that game live you had no choice but to think that the Giants would be doormats forever.
RE: Parcells might consider it his worst coaching job  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 3:31 pm : link
In comment 12043361 Greg from LI said:
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But the goat was Simms. Outside of the '85 Bears game, which was understandable given the conditions and opponent, that was by far his worst playoff performance. He was terrible that day.

I just never, ever thought they'd lose that game to the fuckin' Rams. Not at home.


Me neither. I thought they were going to win it all that year.
i remember being more  
Les in TO : 12/19/2014 3:31 pm : link
depressed in 1997 vs. Minnesota, the Ravens Super Bowl game and the 2002 meltdown in SF than I was for the matt dodge game. As a Giant fan you get desensistized to mind numbing collapses and the eagles one I guess didn't bother me as much (also partly to do with the recent super bowl run and win and being recently married/new house/new job).
RE: the  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12043359 Eric from BBI said:
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2002 New York Giants had a legit shot at the Super Bowl. They could have beaten Tampa.


I feel the same way about 1989. Great as that Niners team was, the Giants could beat them. Were tied with them in fourth quarter in Candlestick that year despite Wesley Walls' chickenshit cheap shot that took LT out of the game.
darkest day in NYG history?????  
GMenLTS : 12/19/2014 3:34 pm : link
not buying it. I was immediately over it the moment the clock hit :00 in SB46.

Meanwhile, at least the Eagles got a t-shirt out of the deal...
1997 Minnesota hurt mainly because the season was such a  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:34 pm : link
pleasant surprise. No one thought they'd be that good, and to see the season end on such an ugly note against a mediocre Viking team hurt.
RE: For me, it's between the Eagles and Niners games  
djl8699 : 12/19/2014 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12043362 jeff57 said:
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Tough time deciding, but I'll have to go with the Niners game because it was a playoff game and we got screwed by the officials.


The Niners game took years off my life. Just an absolutely gut-wrenching, soul-burning, darkside-inducing viewing experience. I don't know how many emotions I was feeling at the end of that game, but they were all bad. By the time Terrell Owens was celebrating on top of whatever that was he was celebrating on, I felt like I could breathe smoke. I'm getting mad right now just thinking about it.
SB 46 completely erased this one for me  
Go Terps : 12/19/2014 3:43 pm : link
At the time though, it was pretty bad. That Giants team was pretty good and could have made some noise in a weak NFC playoff field. Had 46 not happened this one would have lingered a long time. The same sort of applies for Flipper Anderson...1990 went a long way towards making that feel better, though at the time I was utterly crushed.

I don't feel that way about the 2002 team...I thought that group was a mirage and would have been destroyed in Tampa. That Tampa D was real, and the idea of Kerry Collins facing a heavy pass rush against that Tampa 2 (I believe statistically it might be the best pass D in history) is an ugly one. Derrick Brooks might have had three pick sixes.

The losses that linger for me are XXXV (I didn't love that team, but shit they got there and had an opportunity) and especially 2008. Infuriating...a colossal lost opportunity to write the team into the all time books with the best.
RE: Thanks for bringing that up Mac. BAH! HUMBUG!  
BMac : 12/19/2014 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12043335 Victor in CT said:
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And no it wasn't the darkest day in Giants history. On the field The Fumble in 1978 was. Off the field I would say Troy Archer being killed in a car accident was.


Sorry, but it was Alan Ameche in 1958. Nothing else in my memory comes close to that horror.
Amazing to me that more people arent going  
Deej : 12/19/2014 3:46 pm : link
with the Giants-Ravens superbowl. That was a horror show on the biggest stage in the game.
RE: Amazing to me that more people arent going  
jeff57 : 12/19/2014 3:46 pm : link
In comment 12043408 Deej said:
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with the Giants-Ravens superbowl. That was a horror show on the biggest stage in the game.


Yeah, but no way as bad as blowing a big lead and losing at the end.
2008 Divisional Game vs. Eagles  
chrispisano66 : 12/19/2014 3:47 pm : link
is by far the worst for me.

Eagles were as good as dead that season. We were 11-1 and coming off of SB victory. We beat every one of the eventual CG participants. McNabb's sideline antics. I've never been more certain about something that ultimately didnt happen. We woulda won it all that year.

Just because it's the Eagles...
RE: RE: Thanks for bringing that up Mac. BAH! HUMBUG!  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2014 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12043406 BMac said:
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And no it wasn't the darkest day in Giants history. On the field The Fumble in 1978 was. Off the field I would say Troy Archer being killed in a car accident was.



Sorry, but it was Alan Ameche in 1958. Nothing else in my memory comes close to that horror.


I wasn't around for that one. But my Dad went to Philly to watch it on TV because they couldn't get tickets and griped about it until he passed.

At least they were in the middle of a golden era back then.
XXXV was an awful experience, but we were playing with house money  
Greg from LI : 12/19/2014 3:50 pm : link
at that point. That just wasn't a particularly good team. They got hot for a while late in the year. It happens.
RE: RE: RE: Thanks for bringing that up Mac. BAH! HUMBUG!  
BMac : 12/19/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 12043417 Victor in CT said:
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And no it wasn't the darkest day in Giants history. On the field The Fumble in 1978 was. Off the field I would say Troy Archer being killed in a car accident was.



Sorry, but it was Alan Ameche in 1958. Nothing else in my memory comes close to that horror.



I wasn't around for that one. But my Dad went to Philly to watch it on TV because they couldn't get tickets and griped about it until he passed.

At least they were in the middle of a golden era back then.


Yeah, but it was fool's gold. They just couldn't beat the Packers, then it was goodbye Allie and goodbye Giants until Parcells arrived.
DeSean Jackson was a sharp kick in the nards...  
BamaBlue : 12/19/2014 3:54 pm : link
The "bungle by the Bay" was a public ass-kicking from a girl; "The fumble" was a knife in the heart.
I'm with CT Victor  
old man : 12/19/2014 3:55 pm : link
on this one: The Fumble and Archer, then blowing a 30 pt lead in SF and getting stiffed by refs on the interference non-call, then Dodge-ball.
RE: XXXV was an awful experience, but we were playing with house money  
Go Terps : 12/19/2014 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12043422 Greg from LI said:
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at that point. That just wasn't a particularly good team. They got hot for a while late in the year. It happens.


I agree that they weren't a great team, but I'm a big believer that if you get to the final, you'd better win it. I don't think there's a worse loss in sports than losing a final. Brutal.
Look...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/19/2014 3:58 pm : link
we've been damn fortunate as football fans.
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RE: Look...  
Go Terps : 12/19/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12043457 Eric from BBI said:
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we've been damn fortunate as football fans. New York Giants Top 30 Postseason Moments - ( New Window )


Enormously so.
RE: RE: XXXV was an awful experience, but we were playing with house money  
BrettNYG10 : 12/19/2014 4:01 pm : link
In comment 12043444 Go Terps said:
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at that point. That just wasn't a particularly good team. They got hot for a while late in the year. It happens.



I agree that they weren't a great team, but I'm a big believer that if you get to the final, you'd better win it. I don't think there's a worse loss in sports than losing a final. Brutal.


I completely agree. Losing when you're in the finals is such an awful feeling.
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