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NFT: Meredith Whitney's hedge fund in turmoil

manh george : 12/19/2014 8:39 pm
As a municipal bond professional, no on ever pissed me off more than Meredith Whitney, with her smarter than thou attitude that cost investors who listened to her many hundreds of millions, while enriching people who did not. Cost state and local issuers, too.

Her commentary on the muni market was simply filled with incompetent analysis and incomplete logic. So, while admitting I am feeling a certain amount of schadenfreude, I also am not the slightest bit surprised that the Emrpess's empire is crumbling.

She made a "good call" on banks that I am confident was fed to her by the hedgies, and this convinced her as to how great/smart she was. So, rather than relying on her gains from that enterprise, she tried to convince investors that she would find lots and lots of new "opportunities." Well apparently she didn't.

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Whitney, 45, gained Wall Street renown during the financial crisis for correctly predicting Citigroup Inc.’s dividend cut. Then, on CBS Corp.’s “60 Minutes” in December 2010, she predicted hundreds of billions of dollars of municipal-bond defaults.

She later told Bloomberg News it had been “a guesstimate” involving “fifth-derivative dimensions.” Instead of collapsing, municipal bonds became a star performer. More recently, she predicted that growth in states including Arkansas and South Dakota will be twice the national average.

She also started her own advisory firm, deregistering its brokerage unit, Meredith Whitney Securities LLC, in August 2013 after three unprofitable years, industry records show.


Now, her employees are leaving, and her investors want their money back.

Bye, Meredith, we hardly knew ye....
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And just to be clear...  
manh george : 12/19/2014 8:45 pm : link
there were a lot cleverer people than me who got the bank stuff right, and the bond insurers right. Ackman, I guess it was, insisted that the key bond insurers were all functionally insolvent, long before most of the world caught on.

She just wasn't one of them.
my ex-gf went to Madeira with her  
oipolloi : 12/19/2014 9:28 pm : link
snooty girls school in DC
Speaking  
BigBlueinDE : 12/19/2014 10:37 pm : link
of Ackman, am I the only one out there who thinks that he got it right about Herbalife?

You can argue  
Stufftherun : 12/20/2014 1:08 am : link
that Herbalife's business practices may be questionable to some degree but by all accounts it appears to be nothing more than an egregious smear campaign by an egomaniac to win a bet. He'll stop at nothing.
RE: Speaking  
BrettNYG10 : 12/20/2014 1:14 am : link
In comment 12043913 BigBlueinDE said:
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of Ackman, am I the only one out there who thinks that he got it right about Herbalife?


I tend to think he's right, but I'm unsure why he went after Herbalife and not Nu Skin, which seems to have more salient issues than Herbalife.
Well she did marry JBL...  
BurberryManning : 12/20/2014 2:00 am : link
so by count she's ruined three businesses or careers within seven or so years?
Her dividend cut prediction  
Taggart : 12/20/2014 2:17 pm : link
Was the equivalent of a blind squirrel finding a nut.
No surprise  
Mike in Marin : 12/20/2014 9:03 pm : link
Very few people are cut out to run a hedge fund successfully.....that doesn't seem to stop too many people. And it cannot be easy for someone who like to spend so much time talking and being interviewed, and not listening/researching.

And it hasn't gotten any easier given the market environment (crushed by long only bull market) and the surplus of competition.
RE: Her dividend cut prediction  
MetsAreBack : 12/22/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 12044351 Taggart said:
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Was the equivalent of a blind squirrel finding a nut.


Eisman, her mentor who was short bank stocks at the time, fed her a lot of that information. Once it became apparent she had good marketing skills and was picking up momentum, more hedge funds shorting bank stocks began to feed her their research.

As a bank analyst, I can tell you even in those years, even with hedge funds feeding her ideas, her "research" was still pure crap. There was nothing analytical about it.

As Mara once said "it's great to see arrogance humbled" Cant blame her for trying to strike while the iron was hot, but IMO we should all know our strengths & weaknesses... hers is her marketing prowess, not her fundamental research or business acumen. She should have stayed with a big brokerage firm.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/22/2014 3:02 pm : link
MAB, do you think highly of Eisman? The Big Short (I think it was?) made him out to be a genius.
Eisman is a smart guy  
MetsAreBack : 12/22/2014 4:38 pm : link
i havent studied him in great depth - i do think many of these hedge fund "gurus" make large bets that end up right 60-65% of the time... they market the hell out of themselves... and everyone believes they are geniuses, when in fact they're just smart guys/girls that are vastly overpaid.

By and large i think the market's pretty efficient... very few people out there (includes myself) are worth what they're paid. IMO industry, at least large banks, need to cut salaries across the board -- and this coming from someone that works at a large bank. Markets businesses dont earn cost of capital, here or in Europe (5% last i checked)... why comp isnt cut 20-25% i have no idea.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/23/2014 10:58 am : link
Thanks - I totally agree, you should be making about half of what you do right now.

I saw Eisman present at Ira Sohn last year. Everyone sounds smart in a 15 minute presentation, though. Of the people I've met, I've been most impressed by Ackman and Einhorn.

I'm sure they were equally impressed with me.
I have to feel that at some point the performance of some...  
BurberryManning : 12/23/2014 11:51 am : link
outspoken money managers becomes a function of the self fulfilling prophecy that's created with outside money chasing theirs. It must be nice to be Icahn or someone that simply mentions an idea or an interest in a company, only to have it bid up however many % immediately after.
I look at all these fights and prognostications and just laugh  
Deej : 12/23/2014 12:05 pm : link
Deciding to go down the broad index fund route years ago was one of the best decisions I've ever made.
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