Megatron is harder to bring down and probably does a better job of high-pointing the ball (though Moss was certainly able to go up and get it). Moss may be a little more talented physically, but it is close.
in a mega-minute. He's a freak, he's impossible to defend with his size and wingspan and when he shields/bodies up the defender, fugettabout it!
His career numbers are trending well north of Moss's in half the number of seasons and maybe even more importantly I've never heard any criticism of him dogging it or being a king sized douche. CJ's better all around.
More talented. Better hands and probably faster although Megatron had an insane 40 time. What makes mega such a beast is his size speed combo which is very difficult to defend.
Johnson has a wider body, Moss was a little faster.
He would have destroyed all of records. Very hard to gauge this stuff with all these rules changes. That's why I give today's defensive players a curve. LOL, so many tackles by HOF LBers are horse collar tackles.
I believe Moss had more talent. However, if I could pick either in their prime it would be Megatron. Amazing how much that diva attitude can downgrade a player. Tough to say since Moss is usually regarded as the 2nd GOAT.
in a mega-minute. He's a freak, he's impossible to defend with his size and wingspan and when he shields/bodies up the defender, fugettabout it!
His career numbers are trending well north of Moss's in half the number of seasons and maybe even more importantly I've never heard any criticism of him dogging it or being a king sized douche. CJ's better all around.
Calvin's problems have been drops.
I'd too take Moss. Turning mediocre passers like Culpepper, Cunningham, and George into studs. The Oakland days were hard, because you could tell he felt the team was crumbling around. He was always the only legitimate threat and Kerry Collins was on the downside of his career.
Easy decision - Rice. When people evaluate wideouts, they look at the obvious tools - size and speed. Rice didn't have either but he played smart and always found a way to get separation. Rice was a pro's pro.
Megatron is constantly hurt. Megatron is impossible to defend and is an athletic freak of nature, but I feel like he's always hurt. Moss I can't even remeber being hurt barely ever.
Moss did take plays off so we can all imagine how much better he could have been.
I used to look past Moss's quirks because of his incredible talent. I also found him sort of likable in a way and this gave him the benefit of the doubt.
That all ended at the Super Bowl in New Orleans. From our seats we had a great view of the field...I don't know if I've ever seen a player dog it more than Moss did. He jogged routes, often not even finishing them. Run blocking wasn't even a consideration, nor was fighting through a jam. In the Super Bowl! He was an enormous drag on his team whose mere presence made his teammates' jobs more difficult.
I'm no coach but you didn't have to be to see it because it was so obvious. It was a pathetic and shameful display on the biggest stage.
And I agree with many, it's not close. As great of a rookie season OBJ is having, Moss in '98 was unbelievable. He made Randall Cunningham an All-Pro at 35. The following year Jeff George had the best QB rating of his career. He made Daunte Culpepper not only competent but a Pro Bowler. Culpepper's final year with Moss he threw 39 TDs. He didn't throw that many for the remaining 5 years he was in the NFL.
Not only that, go back and see what Moss did in college. 54 TDs in two seasons. His 200 meter dash was Olympic level. He was a Heisman finalist from the I-AA level. He finished 4th behind Ryan Leaf, Peyton and Charles Woodson.
Yeah he was a knucklehead and he lost valuable time playing for the Raiders, but on pure talent, Moss is one of the best athletes the league has ever seen, no matter the position.
If he showed up for a game, you couldn't stop him.....
His problem was between his ears, and the fact that he was a pussy when it came to being hit.....ring his bell a couple times early in the game, and now he is looking for the hit, before he is looking for the ball....
but he was a frontrunner who would check out of games consistently if he wasn't seeing the ball enough. That lack of character and want-to will always pepper how he's remembered.
and not just for his size/speed. His 4.25 speed and insane vertical were special, but there always seems to be a 6'4" 4.3ish guy coming out every other year. What really separated Moss was his body control, ability to track the ball in the air, and ability to win any jump ball. He was a smart football player in spite of the attitude.
Johnson is a freak and is far more humble, but he doesn't have the quickness Moss did.
and Jessica Biel, you can't go wrong with either. That being said, I'll take Megatron. Not even talking about who I would rather have on my team(in that case it's easily Megatron), but just strictly talent....
Megatron has a much more well rounded game. He can run any route and does run any route. He's a beast in the middle of the field and can run the fly(which is basically the only route Moss ever wanted to run) while triple covered.
everyone knows he can be a head case. Besides his size, speed, and height, he always had amazing hand-eye coordination. To me, he's one of those athletes that you have to assume there's a bit of baggage and determine if he's worth it. He was the common denominator for 2 of the most prolific offenses in league history that had 1 regular season loss between them.
No non-qb impacted the offensive side of the game more than Randy Moss, ever imo. So, that would lead me to Moss. I think you can throw out 40s, Moss on a football field is faster..not the kind of guy to train or prepare himself for a 40 yard dash, rather he could wake up throw sweatpants on and go run a 4.3 on any given day in his prime. Calvin is the closest thing to Moss though, and a dominant HOF caliber player.
The fact that most are now considering Beckham's rookie
Year to be the most significant since Moss, makes it all the more special..because the impact Moss brought as a rookie was stunning. Huge praise for Beckham.
in XLVII and was practically out of football for two years.
Not sure I'd use that game as the measuring stick for his first ballot HOF career.
Because he quit. You think Hines Ward would quit at 35? At 55?
It was a disgrace.
He always had that looked like he quit demeanor, I'm just saying quit or not, he was done at that point in his career - toast, finished, he wasn't even a shadow of his former self. If he did quit sure it sucks, but I don't think that changes my evaluation of him vs. megatron.
plus, unrelated megatron looks to me like he's showing signs of breaking down already. He won't last to surpass Moss statistically either.
Calvin Johnson has speed and agility of Moss with the strength of a David Boston (while not breaking down the way Boston did). He's the most physically gifted receiver I've ever seen.
His career numbers are trending well north of Moss's in half the number of seasons and maybe even more importantly I've never heard any criticism of him dogging it or being a king sized douche. CJ's better all around.
Who was the teams scoring leader on both teams?
Moss
that said, Megatron might be better in today's passing offenses that emphasize getting the ball out quickly
Sinorice by a mile!
Moss or Megatron or Rice?
His career numbers are trending well north of Moss's in half the number of seasons and maybe even more importantly I've never heard any criticism of him dogging it or being a king sized douche. CJ's better all around.
Calvin's problems have been drops.
I'd too take Moss. Turning mediocre passers like Culpepper, Cunningham, and George into studs. The Oakland days were hard, because you could tell he felt the team was crumbling around. He was always the only legitimate threat and Kerry Collins was on the downside of his career.
Moss or Megatron or Rice?
Easy decision - Rice. When people evaluate wideouts, they look at the obvious tools - size and speed. Rice didn't have either but he played smart and always found a way to get separation. Rice was a pro's pro.
Moss did take plays off so we can all imagine how much better he could have been.
As far as being a locker room cancer, I think that's been overblown. Moss wasn't anything like a T.O.
That all ended at the Super Bowl in New Orleans. From our seats we had a great view of the field...I don't know if I've ever seen a player dog it more than Moss did. He jogged routes, often not even finishing them. Run blocking wasn't even a consideration, nor was fighting through a jam. In the Super Bowl! He was an enormous drag on his team whose mere presence made his teammates' jobs more difficult.
I'm no coach but you didn't have to be to see it because it was so obvious. It was a pathetic and shameful display on the biggest stage.
Not only that, go back and see what Moss did in college. 54 TDs in two seasons. His 200 meter dash was Olympic level. He was a Heisman finalist from the I-AA level. He finished 4th behind Ryan Leaf, Peyton and Charles Woodson.
Yeah he was a knucklehead and he lost valuable time playing for the Raiders, but on pure talent, Moss is one of the best athletes the league has ever seen, no matter the position.
If he showed up for a game, you couldn't stop him.....
His problem was between his ears, and the fact that he was a pussy when it came to being hit.....ring his bell a couple times early in the game, and now he is looking for the hit, before he is looking for the ball....
I'd take him over Moss any day.
I don't get the cliches like Megatron has "more heart". What does that even mean? How do you measure that?
Johnson is a freak and is far more humble, but he doesn't have the quickness Moss did.
Not sure I'd use that game as the measuring stick for his first ballot HOF career.
Not sure I'd use that game as the measuring stick for his first ballot HOF career.
Because he quit. You think Hines Ward would quit at 35? At 55?
It was a disgrace.
Megatron has a much more well rounded game. He can run any route and does run any route. He's a beast in the middle of the field and can run the fly(which is basically the only route Moss ever wanted to run) while triple covered.
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in XLVII and was practically out of football for two years.
Not sure I'd use that game as the measuring stick for his first ballot HOF career.
Because he quit. You think Hines Ward would quit at 35? At 55?
It was a disgrace.
He always had that looked like he quit demeanor, I'm just saying quit or not, he was done at that point in his career - toast, finished, he wasn't even a shadow of his former self. If he did quit sure it sucks, but I don't think that changes my evaluation of him vs. megatron.
plus, unrelated megatron looks to me like he's showing signs of breaking down already. He won't last to surpass Moss statistically either.