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NGT: Who is/was more talented Moss or Megatron?

BestFeature : 12/19/2014 11:20 pm
I watched Rand University the other day and it got me thinking which of these two HOF receivers is/was more talented. What say you?
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I'd call a 4.35  
crick78 : 12/20/2014 6:12 pm : link
for a 6'5 240lb more than just doing well. That's ridiculous albeit not faster than moss
David Boston was Jacked  
crick78 : 12/20/2014 6:15 pm : link
but nothing compared to this!
If this was asked in a different season Calvin might get more love  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/20/2014 6:41 pm : link
But this is Calvin's weakest season in a while and Golden Tate is outperforming him on his own team.

Randy's insane deep speed plus length/catch radius made him the GOAT deep threat in NFL history. Watching his rookie highlight reel is incredible because defenses had no idea how to handle him because they had never seen a threat like him on the NFL level. His mere presence in the field was a huge plus throughout his career because he took top off a defense. And he was a redzone monster, he had awesome hands, and he was an underrated run blocker. But he didn't go over the middle often and wasn't as complete as others.

Calvin's definitely more complete than him. Calvin demands attention from the secondary and still puts up monster numbers. He's one of the few obvious 1st ballot WRs and players in the league. Awesome player and he will have better years than this one in the future once the Lions O gets better.

Jerry Rice was easily more complete than either Megatron or Moss, one of the reasons he's the GOAT wr.

Being "complete" is important and that's the thing that really impresses me about Beckham. He's a jack of all trades who's a King in some of them. He has been killing it this year and is having the best rookie WR season since Moss. Hopefully he keeps it up and wins the ROY because the sky is the limit. He probably doesn't deserve to be mentioned in a post about Rice/Moss/Calvin because he hasn't done shit yet compared to them. But what a monster start.
Tate is only outperforming CJ  
kmed : 12/20/2014 6:43 pm : link
because CJ missed time. CJ has been much better in games he's actually played.
Yea but health matters  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/20/2014 6:45 pm : link
This down season from Calvin is still far better than Oakland Moss.
Yeah but saying tate is outperforming him  
kmed : 12/20/2014 6:49 pm : link
isn't really the truth. He's out producing him and that's only because calvin has missed 4 games(I'm including the one he played in and could barely walk). He's not outplaying him.
Calvin's obviously better than Tate  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/20/2014 7:24 pm : link
And has been when he plays, but Tate has 3 more games, 30 more receptions, and 300 more yards. He def benefits from Calvin but he's having a Bigtime season himself.
He certainly is(I have them both on my fantasy team!),  
kmed : 12/20/2014 7:34 pm : link
but it's more like 4 1/2 games because CJ played in a game where he was s full fledged decoy. Calvin is very clearly the #1 option on that team.
CJ has more td's too  
kmed : 12/20/2014 7:34 pm : link
which is kind of important.
Whatever  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/20/2014 7:48 pm : link
It's a down year for him
landslide for Moss?  
KWALL : 12/20/2014 7:51 pm : link
He was one of a kind but both were mismatch nightmares.

The NFL has never seen an athlete like Johnson. He's 6'5", 240 with a 42" vertical that he knows how to use. IMO, he can do more. I would take Johnson because of his size. Moss was an impossible cover but I think Johnson is even tougher.
In stats, sure.  
kmed : 12/20/2014 7:51 pm : link
He's been the same beast when he's played.
see Ira  
old man : 12/20/2014 8:09 pm : link
.
A lot of people underestimating how athletic CJ is  
AcesUp : 12/20/2014 8:48 pm : link
He tested off the charts at the combine, probably the best WR prospect to come out in my lifetime, and he's more than lived up to it. Much closer than indicated on this thread. I'd love to see what he could do fully healthy, with an elite qb.
Moss  
RasputinPrime : 12/20/2014 8:56 pm : link
not close either. I think CJ is overrated. I'd have taken Andre Johnson over him in his prime.
this reminds me of those  
pjcas18 : 12/20/2014 9:05 pm : link
Brady vs. Peyton debates.

when you're dealing with athletes among the all-time greats at their position in their sports, its not an insult to pick one of them over the other.

and it's not like Moss had elite QB's for much of his career. Sure he had Brady for three years, and an old Favre (ancient Favre for 4 games throwing to ancient Moss) an old Cunningham, but most of his career was Culpepper whose no better than Stafford and a lot of his career he had these QB's:

Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerrotte, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Matt Cassel, Vince Young, Aaron Brooks, Spergon Wynn, Rusty Smith, and Brian Hoyer.
CJ is also a very willing and able  
kmed : 12/20/2014 9:11 pm : link
blocker which gets overlooked. Dude is a physical freak.
Several posters have referenced the QB's  
Stufftherun : 12/20/2014 10:32 pm : link
Moss has had throwing to him. Please take a minute to look at the HOF'ers who've been under center during Megatrons career and yes, the jury is still out on Stafford.
If I'm going into a game  
KWALL : 12/21/2014 1:42 pm : link
and the other team has an excellent pass D or an elite CB, I'm taking Johnson all day. He's a tougher matchup. He can do more to help you win.
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