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My God I love Odell Beckham Jr.

Jints in Carolina : 12/21/2014 8:54 pm
I have not loved a player like this since LT.

Yes, i'm drunk.
Lol I feel the same way  
Big Rick in FL : 12/21/2014 8:59 pm : link
Except my other love for a player is Eli. Too young for LT


Yes, I'm sober
most gifted exciting  
natefit : 12/21/2014 9:00 pm : link
and jaw dropping player weve had since LT (and that includes Stray Tiki Shockey etc.)
The Giants have had very few offensive super stars  
steve in ky : 12/21/2014 9:02 pm : link
It is really exciting to see one playing for the Giants.

Who was the last Giant on the offensive side of the ball to garner this kind of excitement, Gifford?
Some things never get old seeing them in print  
Headhunter : 12/21/2014 9:02 pm : link
This is one of them. You can not give enough love to Beckham.
Loved watching him dominate today.  
bceagle05 : 12/21/2014 9:04 pm : link
I can just picture Fisher and Williams firing up the defense during the week. "This kid Beckham's been dominating teams, let's put the rookie in his place." etc. Then he goes out there and smokes them. Perfect.
He is an LT  
Joey in VA : 12/21/2014 9:04 pm : link
He is galvanizing for the team too, they fight their asses for him when he is targeted and he just energizes the entire team. He elevates everyone around him, it's truly amazing how spectacular he's been.
RE: Loved watching him dominate today.  
mfsd : 12/21/2014 9:05 pm : link
In comment 12047691 bceagle05 said:
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I can just picture Fisher and Williams firing up the defense during the week. "This kid Beckham's been dominating teams, let's put the rookie in his place." etc. Then he goes out there and smokes them. Perfect.


Which is the same exact thing our last 5-6 opponents have come out all fired up to do...and OBJ has torched them all
Has he ever...popped in?  
Overseer : 12/21/2014 9:05 pm : link
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Joey  
steve in ky : 12/21/2014 9:06 pm : link
Yeah, it is like his teammates don't want to allow his great performances to go to waste by losing the game so they all play just that much harder. He has lifted the entire team.
his route running is far  
sshin05 : 12/21/2014 9:07 pm : link
better than any rookie i've ever seen. Plus his speed and explosiveness, makes him a deadly player. The rams tried to get him out of the game by getting into his head.
Question: What do OBJ and LB Mark Herzlich have in common?  
Marty in Albany : 12/21/2014 9:10 pm : link
Answer: Both are good looking guys who apparently have gone out of their way to acquire the ugliest possible haircuts.

For Herzlich it's no big deal, but if OBJ want to be on the pages of GQ along with Cruz, or get a ton of endorsement $$$, he better switch barbers.
Love Beckham  
Steve in South Jersey : 12/21/2014 9:12 pm : link
but he is not on LT's level. Very few players in the history of the NFL are on that level. Beckham is a great player but he is not going to change the game like LT did.
RE: his route running is far  
dcgiantsfan : 12/21/2014 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12047703 sshin05 said:
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better than any rookie i've ever seen. Plus his speed and explosiveness, makes him a deadly player. The rams tried to get him out of the game by getting into his head.

The fact that with all that was going on in the game today that he still maintained his head and played above it was impressive! Everybody knows he's getting the ball but they have yet to be able to slow him down.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/21/2014 9:14 pm : link
I wonder how the conversations about his peak potential in our draft room went, and whether this type of potential was mentioned.
It's especially amazing because he's not under the radar anymore.  
arcarsenal : 12/21/2014 9:15 pm : link
Teams know exactly who he is, they know what he's capable of, gameplan to stop him and they still just can't do it no matter what they try. No one has an answer for him.

What he's doing right now is nothing short of incredible.

May this man have a long, healthy career... because if he does, he's going to do some unbelievable things.
RE: Love Beckham  
steve in ky : 12/21/2014 9:15 pm : link
In comment 12047713 Steve in South Jersey said:
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but he is not on LT's level. Very few players in the history of the NFL are on that level. Beckham is a great player but he is not going to change the game like LT did.


Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone claimed that he was.
And speaking of style, how about Dave Diehl: an ill-fitting suit  
Marty in Albany : 12/21/2014 9:16 pm : link
and mismatched shirt and tie. The director should taken one look at him and put him in a sweater.
Well maybe Joey did  
steve in ky : 12/21/2014 9:16 pm : link
I agree he isn't in LT class of changing the entire sport.
you didnt love cruz too?  
mattlawson : 12/21/2014 9:18 pm : link
cmon....
He is a God to me!  
Jints in Carolina : 12/21/2014 9:18 pm : link
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He's special  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/21/2014 9:19 pm : link
He owned Fisher and Williams , two assholes who were trying to take Beckham out of the game any way they could.

There are no valid comparisons anymore, Beckham looks like a new species.
I wouldn't trade him for any other WR in the game today  
steve in ky : 12/21/2014 9:20 pm : link
He looks like he may rewrite many records before it is all over.
RE: you didnt love cruz too?  
arcarsenal : 12/21/2014 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12047738 mattlawson said:
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cmon....


Cruz is an excellent player and we all love him but he was never on this level.
RE: RE: you didnt love cruz too?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/21/2014 9:25 pm : link
In comment 12047759 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12047738 mattlawson said:


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cmon....



Cruz is an excellent player and we all love him but he was never on this level.


Cruz did have 1536 yards his breakout year...

It's been a while since, so we may be forgetting.
They're just different players.  
arcarsenal : 12/21/2014 9:29 pm : link
Beckham doesn't have the 2011 versions of Nicks and Manningham to take a little attention away from him. He's THE guy on this offense and everyone knows it. They still can't stop him.

He has freakish abilities than Cruz just doesn't.

I'm not trying to downplay Victor Cruz here but Beckham has already this year made about 10 different catches that have made people go "how the... how the fuck did he do that?"
that*  
arcarsenal : 12/21/2014 9:29 pm : link
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RE: They're just different players.  
Jints in Carolina : 12/21/2014 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12047768 arcarsenal said:
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Beckham doesn't have the 2011 versions of Nicks and Manningham to take a little attention away from him. He's THE guy on this offense and everyone knows it. They still can't stop him.

He has freakish abilities than Cruz just doesn't.

I'm not trying to downplay Victor Cruz here but Beckham has already this year made about 10 different catches that have made people go "how the... how the fuck did he do that?"


he is so good
He has an LT like impact  
Joey in VA : 12/21/2014 9:33 pm : link
On the team, I have no doubt about that. Strahan had the same impact in his later years, Armstead had it, Jacobs and Bradshaw had it on offense. He is the galvanizer we need, the one guy who will go off and make his teammates better. He plays with intensity and it rubs off on everyone.

As for the LT game changing thing, I really wouldn't say that he can't be that yet. He's been doubled, bumped, bracketed, hit late, had inside out thrown at him, and nothing slows him down. Randy Moss you could toss a blanket over if you got rough with him at the LOS and put someone over the top but 13 runs every route like its his last and you can put him anywhere and he can beat anyone. He abused Richard Sherman and Sherman may talk but the dude can play and Beckham abused him. He's dare I say uncoverable, even when covered he can get to the ball on the back shoulder, or low or high or outside, I've never seen anyone do that. He's putting up the same numbers Plaxico Burress did in a full season with 5 less games, at 5-11 and with a shaky OL and running game.

He is the best football player I've seen on this team since LT. There is no answer for him, he is a game changer every time he's on the field. I am comparing him to LT, no doubt in my mind he's got the same impact and has the same differential talent level.
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Danny Kanell : 12/21/2014 9:35 pm : link
79 catches
1,120 yards
11 touchdowns

In his first 11 NFL games.

I know we are all in awe but just let those numbers sink in for a moment.
MIght not be in LT class but  
Watson : 12/21/2014 9:35 pm : link
most exciting rookie I've seen since LT. WOW what a pick.
I'll Say It - On LT's Level ?  
Bob in Vt : 12/21/2014 9:36 pm : link
Yes. He. Is. Right Now.

I watched LT come onto the scene. He was unstoppable and played with abandon. So does OBJ, except he started later in the season than LT.

The thing is, that other teams had to game plan against LT. They had to account for him on every play he was on the field.

OBJ makes other teams game plan against him, and he plays with the same type of abandon and ability.

The difference right now ? LT made a major impact to the game year after year. It remains to be seen whether OBJ will do that - will he get injured ? Will his head get too big ? We will have to wait and see. But for his impact for the last 7-8 weeks, it is a beauty to behold.
beckham does have more talent  
mattlawson : 12/21/2014 9:37 pm : link
absolutely, but the love that Cruz was able to generate his breakout season was pretty special as well. would love to see these 2 guys really do something together next year. Randle showed something today as well.
Love the OBJ!  
trueblueinpw : 12/21/2014 9:44 pm : link
Kid is the light and the truth! I love the fact that he is so nasty. He must be a world class trash talker because he sure does get under the skin of the DBs he's smoking.

As much as I love this rookie, he ain't LT. Guys, seriously, LT is the greatest defensive football player ever. He changed the game. There was no one like LT before he played and there hasn't been anyone like him since he played. He was the best of the best. So, like Tuna said, "let's not put him in Canton yet".
Why isn't he in LT's class  
Joey in VA : 12/21/2014 9:45 pm : link
At least as a rookie? It's a long career, I get that, but rookie to rookie, potential only, absolutely he's LT on offense. He is a marked man on a team with a shaky OL and running game and nondescript other WRs right now and he's killing people.

Did you see the 80 yarder? He was bracketed and one stutter step pushed the safety one step outside and Beckham flew past him like the dude was in concrete. He was accounted for, it was Cover 2 man under and the S had his eyes on Beckham and one little move disabled him and made a ridiculously easy TD pass.
The Defense  
Emil : 12/21/2014 9:51 pm : link
Has to account for him on every play. The LT of the offense, why not. It's a loose comparison, but name me a Giants rookie (on offense) that has had this kind of impact this soon. He is dominant out there. Let's keep in mind this Rams team beat the Broncos and the Seahawks. They are better than their record, but the Giants are starting to find their identity on offense, and it's an identity that dictates terms!

Now, if we can only get that on defense.
He is  
Les in TO : 12/21/2014 9:54 pm : link
Elite - I can't recall a Giants wr with a season like this let alone a rookie who missed a lot of training and preseason
Joey  
steve in ky : 12/21/2014 9:56 pm : link
Just curious, how old were you when LT was a rookie in 1981?
Beckham is pretty great..........  
Dry Lightning : 12/21/2014 10:01 pm : link
His hands are the best I have ever seen, just amazing. Believe me though, he is not LT. Great players have to do it over time. He has a slight build and that is a concern. I wonder if the hammy is still bothering him, as incredible as he has been, he really hasn't had many explosive plays after the catch. When that gear kicks in, he will be even better. Hope he doesn't let the hype get to him. Only a couple of years ago RG3 was seen as the second coming by most, although I told everyone he sucked and was a piece of shit, on this very board. Got some negative reaction too! I hope Beckham can keep his head on straight. New York is a tough place with sudden fame.
Beckham does not have a slight build  
bigblue12 : 12/21/2014 10:06 pm : link
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Agree with Dry Lightning  
PhilSimms15 : 12/21/2014 10:14 pm : link
Odell is really reall good but is not LT. If you have been a long time Giants fan -- since 1970 -- then you have seen a lot of great players come and go in the NFL and LT is still the single best talent to ever enter the league.

He changed the game completely. He was extremely fast, he was extremely strong, he was extremely quick. But best part? His motor never ever stopped and he had the will to win that I've only seen in one other athlete, Michael Jordan.

Odell has been really great -- maybe the 2nd best rookie I've ever seen (Shockey is up there too) but he just is not in the LT class. Not that this is anything to be ashamed of, no NFL player has ever been.
He ties  
Les in TO : 12/21/2014 10:15 pm : link
An nfl record if he gets 90 yards next week. Nine consecutive is the record held by Michael Irvin
He is a once in a generation  
ep in md : 12/21/2014 10:17 pm : link
WR
yes  
ep in md : 12/21/2014 10:19 pm : link
his bust IS in Canton already.
EP  
I'mRonBurgandy? : 12/21/2014 10:35 pm : link
I never noticed his bust. I was too busy staring at his ass.
RE: Love Beckham  
djm : 12/21/2014 10:37 pm : link
In comment 12047713 Steve in South Jersey said:
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but he is not on LT's level. Very few players in the history of the NFL are on that level. Beckham is a great player but he is not going to change the game like LT did.


Not sure I agree. I've never seen a player like a WR like beckham. I can't believe how good he is. He may never be this good again, be it injury or just the stars falling out of alignment by next year. But at this very moment there is not a better football player on the planet. Beckham, right this very moment is as good as any player. But things can change real quick in the nfl so just knock wood, sacrifice a live fucking chicken, pray, whatever you gotta do... Hope this guy beckham stays exactly the way he is for a long long time. He doesn't have to get better. He's already fucking perfect.
I don't like his rooster hairdo  
Some Fan : 12/21/2014 10:38 pm : link
but the rest of him is fine!
....  
yankees78 : 12/21/2014 10:43 pm : link
I loves him.
The preciousss
And make no bones about it  
djm : 12/21/2014 10:45 pm : link
Beckham has undoubtably had an LT like impact on the entire franchise. If beckham plays all 16 we are 9-7 just like we were in 81 during LT's rookie year. And I remember that year like it was yesterday.

Again, a lot can happen but right now no WR has ever topped what beckham has done these last 10 games or so. He Iooks like an xbox controlled player.

No one is saying this guy will revolutionize the position like LT did, but beckham is perfecting his craft like few players have. LT being one one of those players....
My son was asking me something similar earlier  
jcn56 : 12/21/2014 10:55 pm : link
and I agree, ODB is reminiscent of LT's rise back in the day.

They're similar in that both had to be accounted for every single play; they had the ability to take games over, and coordinators spent the majority of their time trying to negate their impact.

They were both energizing characters, with the rest of their unit feeding off of their individual performances. LT could will that defense to victory, even when he was severely injured. Given the fact that the Rams were out for ODB's blood today, he not only kept going at them but ramped it up a bit, and the rest of the offense (Randle in particular) fed off of that.

They were/are both special as physical specimen. LT was a crazy combo of speed and strength. ODB's speed is impressive, but his ridiculous coordination is other-worldly.

LT obviously did it for many years, and earned the HOF. We've only seen Beckham for a little more than half a season, but the early returns are promising.
When Plax or Nicks were at their best,  
CT Charlie : 12/21/2014 11:00 pm : link
many thought they had a chance to be the best NYG wide receiver ever. After only 11 games, OBJ has easily eclipsed both of them in this "potential" category.
Great player with a lot of talent  
Knineteen : 12/21/2014 11:03 pm : link
hope he's a Giant for a while....but that idiotic TD dance has to go. It's full retard mode when he does whatever that thing is.
RE: He is an LT  
micky : 12/21/2014 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12047692 Joey in VA said:
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He is galvanizing for the team too, they fight their asses for him when he is targeted and he just energizes the entire team. He elevates everyone around him, it's truly amazing how spectacular he's been.


I'm one who really never compares another player to LT, because LT literally change the game and his position, however, I'm liken OBj to him because since LT, no other player or giant player literally made it must watch and had the ability to take over in stretches since LT. Though LT..there will not be another to his magnitude, OBj is just about his level but on offensive side of ball now.
the only thing plax  
sshin05 : 12/21/2014 11:08 pm : link
and nicks have on ODB is size, but he blows them in everything else.
RE: RE: He is an LT  
sshin05 : 12/21/2014 11:10 pm : link
In comment 12048017 micky said:
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He is galvanizing for the team too, they fight their asses for him when he is targeted and he just energizes the entire team. He elevates everyone around him, it's truly amazing how spectacular he's been.



I'm one who really never compares another player to LT, because LT literally change the game and his position, however, I'm liken OBj to him because since LT, no other player or giant player literally made it must watch and had the ability to take over in stretches since LT. Though LT..there will not be another to his magnitude, OBj is just about his level but on offensive side of ball now.


Bingo! The only reason to watch Giants games is because of Odell Beckham.
Got an OBJ  
halfback20 : 12/21/2014 11:44 pm : link
jersey for Christmas. Gonna wear that thing all the time. I haven't bought a jersey since I bought an Eli jersey several years ago.
RE: He has an LT like impact  
Stan from LA : 12/21/2014 11:45 pm : link
In comment 12047784 Joey in VA said:
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On the team, I have no doubt about that. Strahan had the same impact in his later years, Armstead had it, Jacobs and Bradshaw had it on offense. He is the galvanizer we need, the one guy who will go off and make his teammates better. He plays with intensity and it rubs off on everyone.

As for the LT game changing thing, I really wouldn't say that he can't be that yet. He's been doubled, bumped, bracketed, hit late, had inside out thrown at him, and nothing slows him down. Randy Moss you could toss a blanket over if you got rough with him at the LOS and put someone over the top but 13 runs every route like its his last and you can put him anywhere and he can beat anyone. He abused Richard Sherman and Sherman may talk but the dude can play and Beckham abused him. He's dare I say uncoverable, even when covered he can get to the ball on the back shoulder, or low or high or outside, I've never seen anyone do that. He's putting up the same numbers Plaxico Burress did in a full season with 5 less games, at 5-11 and with a shaky OL and running game.

He is the best football player I've seen on this team since LT. There is no answer for him, he is a game changer every time he's on the field. I am comparing him to LT, no doubt in my mind he's got the same impact and has the same differential talent level.


This.
Last 8 games: 69/1014/8  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/22/2014 12:01 am : link
Over a full season that's a ... gulp.... 138/2028/16 line.

138 rec -- 2,028 yards -- 16 touchdowns

And he's doing this as the only real weapon on his offense, the guy who the opposing defense is clearly paying attention to.

Calvin Johnson's 1,964 yards in 2012 is the single-season record. There has never been a WR in the history of this league who has gained 2,000 yards in a season, and here comes Odell Beckham playing at that level for half the season.

He's not only the runaway OROY at this point, but he's also arguably the 2nd half OPOY. He's a phenom and I hope he ends the season in style next week.
The coolest thing I've seen  
BSIMatt : 12/22/2014 12:03 am : link
beyond the stats, beyond the records, beyond the highlights or even "the catch" is that there have now been a few instances of experts breaking down film on Beckham, and the common theme is that he does indeed look uncoverable, he gets so much separation on his routes/breaks it looks indefensible. Sherman had problems with it, the ability to stop start his route and change direction without losing speed is amazing.

The play where the threw the pass off the reverse, he was going full speed and the suddenness when he finally decided to stop running and throw it was insane. No slowing down, no chopping his feet, no skidding...just full speed and then an instant stop. It was like watching a hummingbird.

In the Rams game, after the safety tried to take his head off, I thought they were gunning so hard just to get a hit on him that they were due for a double move, they just had to give Eli and extra second. The very next play Beckham fakes an out route and gets the safety to bite hard and then just blows right by him, it was perfection.

I won't be shocked if Beckham makes one of the all pro teams, as a second teamer, I think he should.
I'm not gonna talk about LT, feels a little silly  
j_rud : 12/22/2014 12:03 am : link
I think a more apt and recent comparison is Shockey. Just forget about the way it ended and think of his rookie year, the excitement he brought to the fans, the field, and in turn his teammates. There was a feeling that anything could happen and there were more than a few eye-popping plays like the jump ball over Dawkins. I know I haven't been head over heels for a rookie like this since Shockey's rookie year. And it's the same thing with Beckham-when he takes the field the passion is evident, often infectious, and anything can happen.
The LT comparisons have the benefit of hindsight  
regulator : 12/22/2014 12:20 am : link
And the possibility of conflating LT's entire brilliant career with his rookie year. Objectively, however, the respective impacts of LT and OBJ on their teams as rookies are entirely comparable. Both players came in and were instantly among the most electrifying, dominant players in the league by year's end. Can't wait to see what the future holds...
Beckham vs LT  
AcesUp : 12/22/2014 12:29 am : link
The people dismissing Beckhams rookie impact to LTs realize that we're just talking about rookie years right? Despite how dominant LT was as a rookie, there were no guarantees that he would keep up that pace beyond his first season, the same holes true for Odell. But talking rookie impact? Sort of apples and oranges but odell may be the best offensive player in football (non qb) over the last 11 games and is arguably having the strongest rookie WR season in nfl history (obviously loudest argument coming from moss).

He's special. He's 5'11, with all the benefits that come with a lower center of gravity, that can play like a 6'5 reciever thanks to a confluence of genetic anomalies. He's more dangerous than the "nfl prototype".
Comparing OBJ to LT is idiotic !!!  
Daniel in MI : 12/22/2014 12:43 am : link
I just checked the stats, and OBJ has zero sacks. Zero. How can you make that comparison? You are all bags of douche.

On the other hand, OBJ is a freakin' amazing WR...LT was only OK at wideout.
RE: RE: you didnt love cruz too?  
chris r : 12/22/2014 1:16 am : link
In comment 12047759 arcarsenal said:
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cmon....



Cruz is an excellent player and we all love him but he was never on this level.


Yes he was in the in the second half of 2011.
RE: Loved watching him dominate today.  
montanagiant : 12/22/2014 1:19 am : link
In comment 12047691 bceagle05 said:
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I can just picture Fisher and Williams firing up the defense during the week. "This kid Beckham's been dominating teams, let's put the rookie in his place." etc. Then he goes out there and smokes them. Perfect.

I think that is what is so special. They have no answer for the kid, none.
Didn't they say today that he has a chance to set a record next week  
montanagiant : 12/22/2014 1:23 am : link
Of consecutive 100 yd receiving games?
RE: Didn't they say today that he has a chance to set a record next week  
steve in ky : 12/22/2014 1:35 am : link
In comment 12048119 montanagiant said:
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Of consecutive 100 yd receiving games?


I think it was a chance to tie Irvin for consecutive 90 yard games
I mentioned this in another thread recently  
NYG07 : 12/22/2014 1:44 am : link
He is the best rookie I have ever seen on any team (I never saw LT play). I watched this same rams team destroy the broncos and beat the seahawks. They had absolutely no answer for beckham. He comes out of his breaks faster than any receiver I have ever seen.

The things he is doing right now with no other weapons on the team are mind boggling. Every team that plays the giants plans to double/triple team him and they still cant stop him. He is going to tie michael irvin's consecutive 90+ receiveing yards streak next week and he is a rookie. To think about how good this kid is going to be in two or three years gives us great hope for another championship with Eli.

Since we have been eliminated from the playoffs I have been referring to Giants games as the Odell Beckham show, and what a show it is. It is must watch TV. Again I can't compare him to LT, but god damn is this kid unbelievably good. The Giants have a bright future ahead with OBJ leading the way.
One of the things that makes this so amazing:  
manh george : 12/22/2014 1:46 am : link
He missed mini-camp. He re-injured his hamstring during the first training camp practice, and didn't practice until September 23.

How many times have we heard about a talented rookie that missing training camp and pre-season was going to ruin their rookie year? Well, he missed a lot more than that, but there was one thing he didn't miss: a step.

That's just astonishing.
RE: RE: Didn't they say today that he has a chance to set a record next week  
montanagiant : 12/22/2014 2:32 am : link
In comment 12048123 steve in ky said:
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In comment 12048119 montanagiant said:


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Of consecutive 100 yd receiving games?



I think it was a chance to tie Irvin for consecutive 90 yard games

Thanks Steve..
RE: I mentioned this in another thread recently  
montanagiant : 12/22/2014 2:33 am : link
In comment 12048125 NYG07 said:
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He is the best rookie I have ever seen on any team (I never saw LT play). I watched this same rams team destroy the broncos and beat the seahawks. They had absolutely no answer for beckham. He comes out of his breaks faster than any receiver I have ever seen.

The things he is doing right now with no other weapons on the team are mind boggling. Every team that plays the giants plans to double/triple team him and they still cant stop him. He is going to tie michael irvin's consecutive 90+ receiveing yards streak next week and he is a rookie. To think about how good this kid is going to be in two or three years gives us great hope for another championship with Eli.

Since we have been eliminated from the playoffs I have been referring to Giants games as the Odell Beckham show, and what a show it is. It is must watch TV. Again I can't compare him to LT, but god damn is this kid unbelievably good. The Giants have a bright future ahead with OBJ leading the way.

Good post..Told my son tonight he is a once in a lifetime player much like LT was, and he is lucky to see him on our team.
Imagine if we still had  
blakjedi : 12/22/2014 2:42 am : link
david wilson and victor cruz on the field...

Our offense would be SPECIAL.
Best Rookie Since LT  
Ron From NYC : 12/22/2014 5:37 am : link
Hands down. A special player,a total game changer...just like LT was.

Guys like him don't come around very often, let's hope he fulfills his potential and gets even better.

If Cruz is Cruz when he returns...wow, what a scary tandem of WR's...

I. Love.  
SanFranGiantsFan : 12/22/2014 5:57 am : link
Odell. Unhealthy mancrush.
1120 yards  
bc4life : 12/22/2014 6:19 am : link
13th in the NFL in receptions. Tied for 7th in TDs in only 12 games. Wow.
Watched LT since he was nicknamed "Superman" by George Martin  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 7:44 am : link
after his first practice. Watched him make QB's like Ron Jaworski literally not take his eyes off of him every play. He dominated and changed the Giants from being a mess into a team to be feared. OBJ is absolutely right there with LT as far as changing who the NY Giants are. Never thought I'd see this domination again, well here it is
I love the pre game highlights  
Jimmy Googs : 12/22/2014 8:26 am : link
Of Beckham doing his one handed thing in the end zone.

Becoming legendary in only his first season.

Hope he misses preseason every year
RE: RE: RE: you didnt love cruz too?  
arcarsenal : 12/22/2014 8:32 am : link
In comment 12048114 chris r said:
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cmon....



Cruz is an excellent player and we all love him but he was never on this level.



Yes he was in the in the second half of 2011.


No he wasn't.

The difference between these two players goes beyond checking their stats on NFL.com.

If you don't notice it, I feel sorry for you because you're missing something special.

No one ever talked about Victor Cruz the way they are talking about Odell Beckham Jr. right now.

And again, I hate to diminish Cruz because I love the guy and it shouldn't be about that but Beckham looks like the best offensive player in the entire league right now.
I just think time changes the memory  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/22/2014 8:45 am : link
it's easy to get caught up in what's happening right now as opposed to three years ago.

Cruz averaged 96 YPG in 2011, 18.7 yards per catch (a big-play machine) on only 5 catches a game.

10 games of 90 yards or more (not consecutive)
4 games of 150 yards or more

Beckham: 101.8 yards per game, 7 catches per game, 14.7 yards per catch.

8 games of 90 yards or more (consecutive)
1 game of 150 yards or more.

I would put Beckham's catch against Dallas up against Cruz's 99 yard TD against the Jets.



Again.  
arcarsenal : 12/22/2014 8:49 am : link
Not a stats thing. (Beckham's pace is better anyway)

We have people comparing the impact OBJ is having right now to Lawrence fucking Taylor and it's not even a crazy comparison. No one was saying that about Cruz in 2011.

There is also no 2011 Hakeem Nicks or Mario Manningham taking attention away from Beckham. Every team is saying "we have to stop #13" going into these games and they still can't do it.

Beckham is also lining up all over the field. In the backfield, under center, slot, split wide.. he's a freak athlete doing ridiculous things on the football field.

As great as Cruz was, he was never this type of "special"
Seriously - anyone see the media attention OBJ gets?  
jcn56 : 12/22/2014 9:00 am : link
You can't turn on a sports network and not get some Beckham thrown at you. It's pretty clear we're dealing with something well out of the ordinary here.

I'm hoping we're having a similar debate this time next year, except with the title 'Who's having the crazier year, Cruz or Beckham'.
Cruz 2011 campaign  
Tuckrule : 12/22/2014 9:00 am : link
Was a thing of beauty. He came on week 3 in Philly and never looked back. Memory for some gets fuzzy but I think what obj is doing is more impressive. Rookie receiver. Literally no help. Defenses key in on him and still have no way of stoping him let alone keeping him in check. Like the poster said above, he isn't the prototype size wise but his ability to play large and also small when needed is something that few athletes are ever capable of doing. He is a one in a million athlete and he is the future of the wr position. Just like lebron transformed the nba with his athleticism same will go for beckham. 5 11 with the ability to play like he's 6 4 and also the quickness of guys like harvin and mccluster. Insane athlete and it's hard to believe we finally have one like this on the giants.
Cruz 2011 campaign  
Tuckrule : 12/22/2014 9:01 am : link
Was a thing of beauty. He came on week 3 in Philly and never looked back. Memory for some gets fuzzy but I think what obj is doing is more impressive. Rookie receiver. Literally no help. Defenses key in on him and still have no way of stoping him let alone keeping him in check. Like the poster said above, he isn't the prototype size wise but his ability to play large and also small when needed is something that few athletes are ever capable of doing. He is a one in a million athlete and he is the future of the wr position. Just like lebron transformed the nba with his athleticism same will go for beckham. 5 11 with the ability to play like he's 6 4 and also the quickness of guys like harvin and mccluster. Insane athlete and it's hard to believe we finally have one like this on the giants.
RE: RE: Didn't they say today that he has a chance to set a record next week  
Les in TO : 12/22/2014 9:05 am : link
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Of consecutive 100 yd receiving games?



I think it was a chance to tie Irvin for consecutive 90 yard games


Only Irvin did it in his sixth year in the NFL, well in his prime. OBJ is about to accomplish that feat as a rookie.
The only thing worth watching this season.  
Curtis in VA : 12/22/2014 9:24 am : link
This guy is unbelievable.
You can see the fear  
gmenatlarge : 12/22/2014 9:45 am : link
in the DB's eyes that have to cover him and almost all of them end up trying to grab and hold on at some point.
Curtis outside of the SF game  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 9:45 am : link
Eli has been worth watching, he is putting on a WC clinic
re  
diable : 12/22/2014 10:24 am : link
Shockey and Cruz had similar impacts.

RE: Great player with a lot of talent  
Ralph.C : 12/22/2014 12:36 pm : link
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hope he's a Giant for a while....but that idiotic TD dance has to go. It's full retard mode when he does whatever that thing is.


After his second TD, he made a point of handing the ball to the ref.
re  
diable : 12/22/2014 3:53 pm : link
In 2011 the media focus was Tim Teabow. When they talked about Cruz it was generally about the salsa.
Huge LT fan here.  
Randy in CT : 12/22/2014 3:55 pm : link
It is OK to compare the impact they each have had on their rookie seasons. This isn't dissing LT. OBJ will probably break at least one record this week.
Cruz was great then too  
Joey in VA : 12/22/2014 4:20 pm : link
And if he's healthy still a great talent, but this a whole different level of athlete and competitor and that's not a knock on VC, it's just who Beckham is. I love Cruz, but he's got nothing on Beckham skill set wise.
RE: Cruz was great then too  
Go Terps : 12/22/2014 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12049870 Joey in VA said:
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And if he's healthy still a great talent, but this a whole different level of athlete and competitor and that's not a knock on VC, it's just who Beckham is. I love Cruz, but he's got nothing on Beckham skill set wise.


I agree.

The play that stands out to me is the crossing route he took in for a TD against Washington. Ridiculous speed...it reminded me of the TD Mike Wallace scored for Pittsburgh against us in the first game after Hurricane Sandy.

Beckham just looks unusual when he's playing.
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