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Has Beckham made Cruz expendable?

clint : 12/21/2014 9:36 pm
have always loved cruz like a lot of us, but us and the team perhaps made the mistake of thinking he was a no. 1 but he isn't - e.g., too short, too many drops, etc. now of course it would be nice for him to come back and be productive after his horrific injury; but kind of wondering now, if beckham is indeed the real deal, should we trade cruz and stockpile picks, get a stud on def or oline (where we have need of course). i'm kind of open to a trade honestly - and just use others to fill any need next to beckham.
uhm  
FJ : 12/21/2014 9:37 pm : link
no
Big  
geemanfan : 12/21/2014 9:38 pm : link
No
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Danny Kanell : 12/21/2014 9:38 pm : link
Late entry for worst thread of 2014.
cruz and beckham together =  
mattlawson : 12/21/2014 9:39 pm : link
asses in the seats
Yes, who needs two wrs  
kmed : 12/21/2014 9:39 pm : link
that can catch the ball?
No  
Steve in South Jersey : 12/21/2014 9:40 pm : link
and even if he were expendable, I think there would be a sizable cap hit in letting him go.
you think you are going to  
pjcas18 : 12/21/2014 9:40 pm : link
trade a guy coming off a potentially career-ending injury and stockpile picks?

what kind of picks do you think Cruz would net - before proving he's even capable of being close to his former self?

Besides the fact, you need more than one offensive weapon at WR.

Cruz is needed to play the slot and if he comes back close to his former self and the offensive line is solidified the offense can be lethal - with some injury luck for a change.

no way I trade or cut Cruz - I don't cut him because that's silly at this point and you won't get value in a trade.
Surely  
gmenatlarge : 12/21/2014 9:40 pm : link
You jest.
If you want to have a good offense, you need more than one weapon,  
Riggies : 12/21/2014 9:40 pm : link
however good that one weapon is. They can't count on him, but he could be another weapon and piece to keep the offense moving in the right direction.

Also, no one is trading anything significant for a guy recovering from a serious, potentially career altering injury, especially when that player wasn't even playing well before he got injured over a relatively significant amount of time.
Who is going to give the Giants big draft picks  
Reese's Pieces : 12/21/2014 9:42 pm : link
for a player coming off a very serious knee injury?
Seriously?  
Joey in VA : 12/21/2014 9:42 pm : link
Can you imagine 13 on one side and 80 on the other? Both can work the slot and outside deep and both have numerous times. Good fucking luck if Cruz comes back healthy. Randle and Parker as your 3 and 4 with Donnell working the seams at 6-6? Give me one more stud OL and this offense may go off next year.
under kmed's analysis  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/21/2014 9:42 pm : link
we should probably trade both Cruz and Beckham for a load of picks - this way our GM, who doesn't know how to draft, can take us from having two great WRs - to really screwing things up
BTW. EVEN Randle with his head  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/21/2014 9:44 pm : link
Halfway up his ass still has 65 catches and almost 800 yards with OBJ. Today shows hoe much another even remotely capable WR will do with him.

Cruz is a great guy and will benefit from OBJ. He comes back even close to his old self why would they want to move on?
No one has the  
BillT : 12/21/2014 9:46 pm : link
Double face palm photo. Yeah, he's expendable. Heaven forbid we have two good WR. Horrible thought.
Put down the Egg Nog, It's Spiked  
Emil : 12/21/2014 9:46 pm : link
Depth at WR is a good thing. You know, there are ways to get as many as 5 on the field at the same time!

Mind blown!
RE: Seriously?  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/21/2014 9:47 pm : link
In comment 12047816 Joey in VA said:
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Can you imagine 13 on one side and 80 on the other? Both can work the slot and outside deep and both have numerous times. Good fucking luck if Cruz comes back healthy. Randle and Parker as your 3 and 4 with Donnell working the seams at 6-6? Give me one more stud OL and this offense may go off next year.


Why I hope they can grab a stud OL in Rd 1 next year. Similar to Dallas who invested heavily and it's paid off.
Expendable? Are you kidding?  
ImaGiant86 : 12/21/2014 9:49 pm : link
You have to be drunk or stupid to even think this makes sense.
I  
AcidTest : 12/21/2014 9:49 pm : link
know somebody who's expendable.
did someone really just post this?  
Rory : 12/21/2014 9:50 pm : link
seriously? not a joke right?

back away from the holiday scented candles dude.
c'mon man  
dancing blue bear : 12/21/2014 9:50 pm : link
I don't go negative, but this is terrible.

ODB has not made Cruz expendable. He has made him MORE valuable, MORE productive, and MORE dangerous.

Cruz had his best year when he wasn't the focal point of the O. He was good in 12 & 13, but he is not a #1. A great 1a. but not a #1. If he plays at 90% next year, he's gonna have a great year, and this O has potential to do some damage
RE: .  
yatqb : 12/21/2014 9:51 pm : link
In comment 12047802 Danny Kanell said:
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Late entry for worst thread of 2014.


Don't like to pile on, but +1.
Oy vey..  
arcarsenal : 12/21/2014 9:51 pm : link
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Cruz  
Joey in VA : 12/21/2014 9:53 pm : link
Is normal, no jewlz just regular.
Absolutely!  
Bramton1 : 12/21/2014 9:58 pm : link
But why stop there? Do we really need a TE when we have Beckham? How about a RB? Is an offensive line really necessary?

Pay Eli and Beckham, spend the rest of defense.
How ridiculous  
Hammer : 12/21/2014 10:05 pm : link
can you be. Because you have one great receiver means you don't need another?

Geez, come on man, think.
Someone  
natefit : 12/21/2014 10:06 pm : link
please post the Patrick Stewart facepalm pic
Cruz fully healed plus Beckham ....  
Manny in CA : 12/21/2014 10:06 pm : link
That could be the best receiver tandem in the history of the world.

You're just kidding, Clint, right ?
Whoa!  
Gmen703 : 12/21/2014 10:09 pm : link
What's the salary cap?  
Giants2012 : 12/21/2014 10:10 pm : link
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Stockpiling draft picks  
Mike in Boston : 12/21/2014 10:17 pm : link
Let's for the sake of argument, assume that Cruz will recover perfectly from the injury, and that the trading partner knows it. and let's assume there were no accelerated bonus cap hit if they Giants traded him. It still makes no sense.

What fraction of of WR drafted in the first round are as good or better than Cruz? (Link to a list of 1st and 2nd round wr picks provided) Let's say a quarter? If so you need 4 1st rounders to break even. Do you think anyone would give you more than that? Do you think anyone would give more than that for Jerry Rice in his prime, never mind Victor Cruz?

GM's (and most fans) way overvalue draft picks because they are confident they will draft better than they do. Even for the best of GM's the draft is as likely to produce a bust as a star.

It is one thing to trade aging stars to teams who will give good picks in the hope of getting a good year or two for a playoff run; stockpiling pick s in that way makes sense. trading good players in their prime for picks almost never does.
list of top drafted WR - ( New Window )
Beckham's emergence shouldn't stop us from going WR  
David in LA : 12/21/2014 10:20 pm : link
if a really good one is there. There are no guarantees that Cruz makes a full recovery.
Ha ha ha ha - I wish I thought of starting a thread like this  
PatersonPlank : 12/21/2014 10:27 pm : link
Unless you are serious and think we only need 1 good playe rat each position
Cruz can't be cut because of cap implications  
oipolloi : 12/21/2014 10:45 pm : link
and coming off an injury, he probably has no trade value

so the question is really moot

Cruz will be a Giant next year
....  
yankees78 : 12/21/2014 10:49 pm : link
wut?
this thread is still up  
Rory : 12/21/2014 11:15 pm : link
clint take it down man !
He'll be a NYG next year  
brich30 : 12/22/2014 12:11 am : link
But great point and I think it is interesting

No doubt gives the organization a little leverage back from Cruz, in terms of restructuring and such. He's no longer the number 1/only playmaker which lowers his value and bargaining potential. Great guy and he loves the Giants but still interesting to consider.

OBJ is way more dynamic than Cruz and may even be a better route runner. Cruz is top 10 slot receiver, OBJ may be Top 5 WR seriously.
RE: Cruz can't be cut because of cap implications  
Giants2012 : 12/27/2014 5:24 pm : link
In comment 12047966 oipolloi said:
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Cruz will be a Giant next year


Right
cruz isnt expendable  
hitdog42 : 12/27/2014 5:31 pm : link
just overpaid now- which at some point will make him expendable
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