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Targeting OBJ

JohnB : 12/22/2014 5:18 am
I am sick of watching other teams target OBJ, trying to knock him off of his game or maybe go as far as knocking him out of the game, as was the case with the Rams. Washington had much the same approach but without the ugliness, as did Jacksonville and Tenn to a certain degree.

Of course "the catch" against Dallas put OBJ on everyone's radar and every DB wants to show their stuff against the boy wonder. But personally I am sick of watching OBJ having to take cheap shots on many plays (or having to avoid them on every play). I hope Mara goes to the NFL with game tape and asks that it be stopped, that refs do their job and equally protect all players from the dirty play like we saw yesterday.

I'm not against good strong DB play like Richard Sherman did against OBJ, I'm against the dirty play that most teams take when playing against him.

I'm getting off of my soapbox now.
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A few things here  
Matt in SGS : 12/22/2014 7:51 am : link
- the showboating has gotten people's attention. What has gotten the defensive coaches and players attention even more is that he's been the most productive WR in the entire NFL the past 10 games and pretty much has been the Giants' lone weapon. Factor in the NY market, that LeBron and Michael Jordan are reaching out, just adds to the build up. But make no mistake, the Rams went after him because they wanted to see if he could still produce if his head was on a swivel due to dirty play.

- The penalty was thrown on him not for spinning the ball and the dance, he's done that more or less every time he scored. The penalty was thrown because he spun the ball at/near the feet of McDonald Jr. as he came over and the ref interpreted that as taunting. If he was by himself and did it, there wouldn't have been a penalty. Go back and watch the replay and you'll see it. However, clearly this is on Coughlin's radar either way to tone it down. Beckham doesn't need his dance to get our attention anymore.

- The NFL should absolutely look into what the Rams did during the game. Gregg Williams is already on a short leash. Fisher has a history of this crap. And, bottom line, let's be realistic, it's not good from the NFL brand/marketing to see a young superstar playing in the NY market get shots taken at him. Remember, money, above all else matters to the NFL. Player safety is lip service due to the lawsuits. Don't kid yourselves. If other teams see the Rams get away with this, you don't think others will do the same? I'd say Philly would do it this weekend, but I think they've packed it in for the year and the Giants are going to kick dirt on them on Sunday.
Matt  
blueblood'11 : 12/22/2014 8:07 am : link
I'm not a fan of showboating either. I think in the future if this continues Beckham may have to tone it down. But what he does is not so over the top that teams should see need to try and decapitate him. All he did was spin the ball and while McDonald was in the vicinity I don't believe when you look at the replay it was directed at him.

Last week when he scored one of his touchdowns he spun the ball then squatted and put his hands over the ball like he as warming them. He's not the only guy who has done that. It's not any different when a guy scores a touchdown, crosses his arms in defiance of the crowd, then puts his finger over his lips as if to tell the crowd hush. To me that is taunting as well.

So where do you draw the line. If this shit keeps up the NFL may have to rewrite the rule on endzone celebration. Or any other kind of celebrations that occur in the middle of the field when a guy acts like a jackass just because he made a play. To me that's taunting as well.
The respect of OBJ  
Shecky : 12/22/2014 8:08 am : link
Funny you would ask if teams/players dislike him because of his theatrics. Seems to me up until yesterday every team has had nothing but respect for Beckham. Post game comments by his opponents always to seem to be of admiration and respect.

Watch him on the field. He respects his opponent to the utmost. And after the game, the opponent seems to gush about him. I think a very telling moment of who OBJ is was his last TD yesterday. How did he react after the Rams mocked him and Cruz salsa? He picked the ball up, went straight to the refund handed him the ball. That was incredibly impressive composure, especially for a young kid, after what the Rams tried to do to him all game long.
I thought  
wash88 : 12/22/2014 8:09 am : link
Last week they'd throw flag
when he throws spinning ball.
Tc should tell to stop...just dance
Teams are going to go after him....  
AnnapolisMike : 12/22/2014 8:10 am : link
I don't like the dirty late hits....but let's be honest. A big part of the NFL game always has been trying to physically intimidate the other guy. To top it off...OBJ appears to be a bit of a shit talker himself. He needs to make sure he lets his play do the talking...not his mouth.
I also hope John Mara goes to the league about this.  
Ira : 12/22/2014 8:14 am : link
Fisher and Williams should be fined and know that the next step is suspension.
Not sure...  
rptl530 : 12/22/2014 8:14 am : link
what else you expect from a Jeff Fisher is a piece of shit team.

I hate that fuggin' guy and his band of thugs.
McDonald's hit  
Ira : 12/22/2014 8:25 am : link
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I hate these stupid after TD antics also  
jeff57 : 12/22/2014 8:39 am : link
They should probably ban all of them. And of course TV encourages it by replaying it. You should be able to spike the ball, and that's pretty much it.
I have no problem with OBJ getting into the grill of a DB  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 8:47 am : link
he is going to be targeted if he wore a nun's uniform out there. The great one's don't back down, never.
he has  
Les in TO : 12/22/2014 8:59 am : link
been targeted because he is a rookie who is making waves with his incredible play, not because he has a trade-mark touchdown dance. victor cruz isn't targeted for the salsa, dez bryant isn't targeted for his X and ocho cinco was never targeted for his riverdance and other ridiculous celebrations.
Give me a break with all the "stop the post-TD antics" bullshit...  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 9:00 am : link
This is just like every other stupid threads where the "get off my lawn" crowd get to voice their displeasure in post-TD celebrations. This time, they do it in the guise of wanting to protect their star player.

Whether OBJ dances after TD's or not, he'll be a marked man because he makes the other team look foolish when they try to cover him.
Did you notice what Beckham did after his  
PEEJ : 12/22/2014 9:03 am : link
second TD ?

He dropped the ball, did a little pose for the fans and then went back and picked up the ball and tossed it to the ref.

Lesson learned.
RE: Did you notice what Beckham did after his  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 9:05 am : link
In comment 12048357 PEEJ said:
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second TD ?

He dropped the ball, did a little pose for the fans and then went back and picked up the ball and tossed it to the ref.

Lesson learned.


Lesson learned from what?

A penalty after his first TD? Yes.

From getting hit by the opposing player? Not really.

So what lesson did he learn? Or are you just making shit up in your mind?
RE: Did you notice what Beckham did after his  
Blue Baller : 12/22/2014 9:06 am : link
In comment 12048357 PEEJ said:
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second TD ?

He dropped the ball, did a little pose for the fans and then went back and picked up the ball and tossed it to the ref.

Lesson learned.


The whole thing was being sarcastic
Did anyone notice that when Mason  
MikeN in Ottawa : 12/22/2014 9:07 am : link
scored a TD, he did an imitation of not just OBJ's dance but Cruz also. Again, this is Buddy Ryan stuff that Fisher has learned very well.

I did not like Fisher previously but now I f'ing hate the guy.
RE: RE: Did you notice what Beckham did after his  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 9:07 am : link
In comment 12048363 Blue Baller said:
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The whole thing was being sarcastic


Nah, man. OBJ definitely learned his lesson not to piss off the opposing players because he was afraid of getting killed out there.
RE: Give me a break with all the  
jeff57 : 12/22/2014 9:07 am : link
In comment 12048350 RC02XX said:
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This is just like every other stupid threads where the "get off my lawn" crowd get to voice their displeasure in post-TD celebrations. This time, they do it in the guise of wanting to protect their star player.

Whether OBJ dances after TD's or not, he'll be a marked man because he makes the other team look foolish when they try to cover him.


Has nothing to do with Beckham or protecting any player. It's just poor sportsmanship.
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RC02XX : 12/22/2014 9:10 am : link
In comment 12048368 jeff57 said:
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Has nothing to do with Beckham or protecting any player. It's just poor sportsmanship.


It's a fucking entertainment, and these are athletic entertainers. Get out of here with the "poor sportsmanship" bullshit. Go back to watching high school football if you want your good sportsmanship games.
If I want to watch guys act line drones after scoring a TD  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/22/2014 9:11 am : link
I'll watch Notre Dame play Army.

Or Ivy League.

And what's poor sportsmanship when the players celebrate on their own?  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 9:16 am : link
OBJ got flagged for "taunting" (although I'm not even sure that he was spinning the ball in front of the Rams player on purpose or that the Rams player was just near him when he spun it), and if the refs think that he was taunting, then throw a flag.

Getting into the opposing teams' faces and taunting is bad sportsmanship. Celebrating after a TD on their own is not bad sportsmanship.
RE: And what's poor sportsmanship when the players celebrate on their own?  
Les in TO : 12/22/2014 9:21 am : link
In comment 12048397 RC02XX said:
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OBJ got flagged for "taunting" (although I'm not even sure that he was spinning the ball in front of the Rams player on purpose or that the Rams player was just near him when he spun it), and if the refs think that he was taunting, then throw a flag.

Getting into the opposing teams' faces and taunting is bad sportsmanship. Celebrating after a TD on their own is not bad sportsmanship.


+ 1
everyone rewatch  
whobetta : 12/22/2014 9:24 am : link
the TD again.


he was all alone in the corner of the endzone, so when he caught it he TURNED TOWARDS THE ENDZONE CROWD and spun the ball then did his dance


is it OBJ's fault that the St. Louis DB decided to keep moving in towards his "area" while he was celebrating the TD!?!?!

I thought that was friggen ridiculous. only happened that the piece of shit ref decided that he MUST have been taunting because OBJ who does the same shit EVERY TIME must have been in this guys face on this occassion.

it was impossible that OBJ did his TD dance where he caught the ball and that the defensive back got in HIS area.


it was atrocious and I can see why OBJ was pissed off.

the refs were determined to try and cost us the game and did not keep the cheating illegal hitting piece of shit Rams in check with flags on their end
As fans, we can bitch all we want  
mrvax : 12/22/2014 9:25 am : link
and nothing will get done.

This crap rests squarely on John Mara's shoulders. He is a team owner AND on the player safety committee. If Mara doesn't get the NFL's attention on yesterday's disgrace, then fuck it, the NFL becomes a free-for-all.

I'd guess Mara has already begun contact with the NFL to set up an emergency meeting where the game will be reviewed. We may not hear about it, but I'd bet it has or will happen.
the taunting call was garbage  
GIANTSr01 : 12/22/2014 9:26 am : link
Beckham spun the ball as usual and was looking down.

The Rams player was the one coming towards Beckham, presumably to talk trash, not the other way around.
LOL @ people who have a problem w/ TD celebrations  
Bockman : 12/22/2014 9:37 am : link
down in front, get off my lawn, etc etc etc

Lighten up will ya? I'm sure you're all just a ball of fun at parties.
i agree with matt in principle  
fame56 : 12/22/2014 9:41 am : link
the NFL is a money making, marketing conglomerate that goes to great lengths to protect its market and the marquee players that contribute to the market earnings

Odell Beckham has burst onto the scene with extraordinary talent and marketing ability that will benefit everyone including ticket sales, advertising revenue, and everything else associated with league income

I believe there will be serious discussions with officials, competition committee members, team coaches, et al about unnecessary violence targeted at any player like Beckham who garners interest and income for the NFL at this level

look how they changed the rules for quarterbacks and wide receivers, the 2 marquee income producing positions on any NFL team

the whole issue will get serious consideration by the league, as well it should
Hmmmmmm.  
Doomster : 12/22/2014 9:42 am : link
He picked the ball up, went straight to the refund handed him the ball. That was incredibly impressive composure, especially for a young kid, after what the Rams tried to do to him all game long.


I thought it was a sarcastic shot at the refs, to tell you the truth....

Homer Jones! See what you started? That simple slam the ball into the turf after a td, has escalated into this....it's all Homer's fault!
Th taunting call was a bad one  
PEEJ : 12/22/2014 9:45 am : link
Beckham didn't spin the ball at the DB. If you watched it, he was totally focused on the spinning ball. No words or actions in the direction of the DB.

I think TC told him to be careful not to leave his celebration open to a bad interpretation by the fers
Oops  
PEEJ : 12/22/2014 9:46 am : link
fers = refs
I will admit  
fkap : 12/22/2014 9:55 am : link
I don't particularly care for OBJ's antics. He seems like a guy who just has to be the center of attention. He's certainly earned it on the field, but rather than simply accepting the accolades of being a top notch player, he needs to amp it up with sideline antics. His pregame warmup is getting to be a center of attention thing, and he plays it up.

Call me a 'get off my lawn' old geezer, but to me acting with humility garners far more respect than look at me antics, especially because everything about his play will have people looking at him and respecting him.

that said, dirty play has no place in sports. hard ass knocking someone off their game is welcome, and I wish the Giants engaged in it in a controlled manner.
a 3 second dance, or a ball spin  
Bockman : 12/22/2014 9:59 am : link
is WAY different than pulling a sharpie out of your sock or a cellphone out of the goalpost.
RE: a 3 second dance, or a ball spin  
Blue Baller : 12/22/2014 10:02 am : link
In comment 12048533 Bockman said:
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is WAY different than pulling a sharpie out of your sock or a cellphone out of the goalpost.


meh....they all are harmless
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way  
Bill in UT : 12/22/2014 10:09 am : link
I think Beckham is instigating a lot of the aggression towards him. I think he's trying to make a statement that he's tough and isn't going to be intimidated. On the play where he was down on his back out of bounds, he stuck the football in the defenders face. He plays a real physical game and does a lot of what I'd think of as taunting if I was on the other team. If this will keep guys from screwing with him in the future, great. I hope he's got that down right, cause he's no Anquon Boldin physically and he may get himself hurt. But half of this stuff would stop right away if he wanted it to
Jeff Fisher this,Buddy Ryan that  
ghost718 : 12/22/2014 10:13 am : link
If Beckham doesn't change his ways,it's gonna happen again.

Not every team is the Tennessee Titans,just gonna sit there and kick rocks while the Giants act like a Fox cameramen.
Fox camerman?  
Blue Baller : 12/22/2014 10:14 am : link
dah fuck?
part of his game is getting in the head of his opponant  
Blue Baller : 12/22/2014 10:15 am : link
he said so in post game interviews

I hope he doesn't change a thing

RE: part of his game is getting in the head of his opponant  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 10:17 am : link
In comment 12048596 Blue Baller said:
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he said so in post game interviews

I hope he doesn't change a thing


Me too...I hope not. But I'm sure this is going to continue to bother the "purists" among us.
I hope he doenst change a thing either  
fame56 : 12/22/2014 10:26 am : link
I'm going out on a limb here to tell all NY Giants fans that you are watching the development of the next jerry rice/michael irvin/cris carter in terms of talent and impact on the league

I am completely beside myself with gratitude that he wound up a NY Giant

Watkins, Evans, Martin,the other kid, whatever...Beckham was the best player of the 2014 NFL draft and is going to dominate the league for the next 10 years
I hope he showboats more  
moespree : 12/22/2014 11:29 am : link
I don't care about some "old school" nonsense. Bottom line is this, he showboats, the other team and players hate it, but guess what? They're going to have to take it because they cannot stop him. That's it. Tough shit, players around the league. You don't like it? Not his problem. Stop him. And if you can't? Tough shit. Take it.

It's not like this is anything new in sports. And besides, I really don't think he "showboats" as much as people are suggesting anyway.
I agree Beckham should tone down his celebrations.  
chops : 12/22/2014 11:32 am : link
All players celebrate and some are obnoxious. They should realize the cam is on them, they have their name printed on their backs, and their number is in 5 locations on the uniform & helmet.

Everybody is watching them;no need for excess.
Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Isiah Thomas, Michael Irvin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/22/2014 11:33 am : link
Deion Sanders..

The list of great players who talked lots of trash and tried to embarrass the competition is really long.

The most driven players usually need that edge to be hyper competitive and focused on being the best.
In somewhat related news  
jeff57 : 12/22/2014 2:36 pm : link
Jimmy Clausen will not play Sunday because of a concussion causes by a Ziggy Ansah helmet to helmet hit.
I liked Jim Brown's touchdown celebration  
Fpbflppt : 12/22/2014 3:15 pm : link
Sam Huff stopped Brown short on the previous play, and said "Brown, you stink!". On the next play, Brown ran right through Huff and on into the end zone, where he tossed the ball to the official and said, "Hey Sam! How do I smell from here?"
Larry Fitzgerald  
Bubba : 12/22/2014 3:20 pm : link
is the role model OBJ should aspire towards. Let your play on the field do the talking.
RE: Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Isiah Thomas, Michael Irvin  
David in LA : 12/22/2014 3:29 pm : link
In comment 12048952 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Deion Sanders..

The list of great players who talked lots of trash and tried to embarrass the competition is really long.

The most driven players usually need that edge to be hyper competitive and focused on being the best.


The crusty old farts on their couches wouldn't understand this.
Every defense targets the best receiver, the problem is how Ram did it  
GloryDayz : 12/22/2014 3:32 pm : link
With late and dirty hit.

Being "targeted" is something OBJ has to deal with, at least until teams have to worry about another threat... hopefully when Cruz is back
RE: Larry Fitzgerald  
Bill in UT : 12/22/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12049737 Bubba said:
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is the role model OBJ should aspire towards. Let your play on the field do the talking.


This. Being near Phoenix now I've watched him all season. I never realized what a class act he is. Doesn't complain about the QB situation here sucking half the year or about them downgrading his role for Floyd. Came back early from a knee injury to not miss a game. Tough as nails, catches the ball in traffic, just gets up and walks away. Gonna we a tough decision here whether they re-sign him. Jr couldn't have a better role model.
Fitzgerald falls into the Jeter catergory of guys who can be fierce  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/22/2014 4:12 pm : link
competitors without showing much emotion

Not every athlete, and not every person, is that guy, or can be that guy while also being great. Some players need to feel like they have something to prove every game to get up and give 100%. Some guys need to feel like the rest of the world is chasing them to be able to be the best.

Plenty of all time greats have also been fiery, demonstrative, or down right miserable guys.
RE: A few things here  
BlueLou : 12/24/2014 2:33 am : link
In comment 12048234 Matt in SGS said:
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- the showboating has gotten people's attention. What has gotten the defensive coaches and players attention even more is that he's been the most productive WR in the entire NFL the past 10 games and pretty much has been the Giants' lone weapon. Factor in the NY market, that LeBron and Michael Jordan are reaching out, just adds to the build up. But make no mistake, the Rams went after him because they wanted to see if he could still produce if his head was on a swivel due to dirty play.

- The penalty was thrown on him not for spinning the ball and the dance, he's done that more or less every time he scored. The penalty was thrown because he spun the ball at/near the feet of McDonald Jr. as he came over and the ref interpreted that as taunting. If he was by himself and did it, there wouldn't have been a penalty. Go back and watch the replay and you'll see it. However, clearly this is on Coughlin's radar either way to tone it down. Beckham doesn't need his dance to get our attention anymore.

- The NFL should absolutely look into what the Rams did during the game. Gregg Williams is already on a short leash. Fisher has a history of this crap. And, bottom line, let's be realistic, it's not good from the NFL brand/marketing to see a young superstar playing in the NY market get shots taken at him. Remember, money, above all else matters to the NFL. Player safety is lip service due to the lawsuits. Don't kid yourselves. If other teams see the Rams get away with this, you don't think others will do the same? I'd say Philly would do it this weekend, but I think they've packed it in for the year and the Giants are going to kick dirt on them on Sunday.


Great post Matt as usual. I'm not sure how one can separate deliberate attempts to injure a player vs "legitimate" attempts to intimidate a player - especially a WR - so that he is forced "to play with his head on a swivel." Having sid that, the missed missile TJ McDonald launched that ended up injuring his own teammate, Gaines, was as blatant an attempted foul (under today's rules re launching and "defenseless players" as I have ever seen going back to the days of Lester Hayes. And the proof is that McDonald, well off his feet, could not in the least pull up or redirect himself when OBJ adroitly side stepped him. Even without hitting his target, the intent to wallop "a defenseless player" was obvious and McDonald should receive at least a fine and maybe a suspension to boot, IMO.
The sideline hit, where the ref pulled up the flag, was kinda strange but I can understand why the ref changed his mind... OBJ has an almost weird ability to anticipate hits, and in fact he delivered a legal hit on the DB moreso than he received. OBJ didn't sidestep - not sure he could have - but he also didn't even faintly try to "avoid" contact, he delivered it! Didn't catch that until the replay, but OBJ appears to be one tough and very field aware SOB.

The previous game I think the refs had it in for Breeland (vs. OBJ), they were all over him, and maybe this game they were lax because they perhaps went a bit overboard penalizing Breeland?

The Ogletree late hit on OBJ was ridiculous and should draw a fine and/or suspension as well. Stuff that far out of bounds is 110% against the rules and needs to be adressed toot suit. Any reports yet on fines from the game review?
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