OBJ greatest rookie WR of all time?

counts. There are a lot of players that could have been Hall of Famers if they could have played 10 full seasons.

Not to knock OBJ, but I don't think it's fair to prorate his stats to a full season.

numbers. Yes, they are great and he is a great player but let's not get too ahead of ourselves. This is a different NFL than ever before. Defenders can't sneeze on you without a penalty and the league is now a pass happy watered down defensive league.

But, he is the best WR I have seen come into the NFL in a long time. Now let's get the pieces of a full offense and improve the defense and next year could be our year.

I have to give it to Randy.

relative to today's NFL he's having a monster season, and that's without the 4 missed games.

That said Randy's season is just stupid. I'm taking that season, especially with the rules 15/20 years ago. Just going off the numbers off the cuff and Moss' rookie season is likely a top 10 season for any WR in NFL history.

it's a different NFL but has there been another WR who I'm forgetting that has had the same type of numbers as OBJ in the last 10-15 yrs? I can't think of any off the top of my head. I mean, even Calvin Johnson didn't come close to OBJ's numbers in his rookie season and he played in "today's NFL."

He had monstrous stats as a rookie, but the eye test was even better.

In comment 12048454 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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He had monstrous stats as a rookie, but the eye test was even better.

But his stats on a per game basis weren't even close to OBJ (except the TD's which were basically even).

It's not close
Moss was literally toying w the league
Not to say ODB isn't but moss was on another level at this point

also had Cris Carter oppostite too. That offense was sick.

In comment 12048434 mjvm52106 said:

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numbers. Yes, they are great and he is a great player but let's not get too ahead of ourselves. This is a different NFL than ever before. Defenders can't sneeze on you without a penalty and the league is now a pass happy watered down defensive league. But, he is the best WR I have seen come into the NFL in a long time. Now let's get the pieces of a full offense and improve the defense and next year could be our year.

You sure about that? Beckham took a few late hits yesterday without drawing a flag (somehow the one obvious flag was picked up).

Randy Moss faced a lot of single coverage because opponents also had to deal with Hall of Famer Cris Carter, a solid running game (robert smith behind a very stout offensive line), a great #3 in jake reed and a QB that had a strong arm who could run with the ball.

Not to detract from Moss who blew passed opponents week in, week out, but what OBJ is doing is unprecedented.

Robert Smith was also a very good RB for them. However, Moss was the catalyst that took them to a 15-1 season and rejuvenated Randall Cunningham's career.

I've never seen anything like it. Literally Culpepper would rear back and throw it as far as he could and Moss would out leap 2 guys for it. The guy stepped into the league and was literally the best WR instantly or damn near close. OBJ is another elite WR in a league with a number of them.

is no longer going to stop him from winning Rookie of the Year. It's almost definite he wins it, IMO.

But when you're talking about "greatest ever" conversations, you unfortunately can't put him in the mix with Moss with him missing 4 games. It nearly equally Moss' season in regards to the impact he's having on the league, but strictly from a production standpoint he can't get there.

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has there been another rookie WR since Randy Moss that you can compare to OBJ's rookie season?

Even as recently as Moss's rookie year, DBs could hit more.

with him. This jawing and taunting back and forth is getting out of hand. He's starting to approach DeSean Jackson levels celebrating on the 10 yard line. Don't get me wrong I'm as excited about this kid as anyone, but I'd rather see a little more AJ Green/Megatron and a lot less Desean.

WR Odell Beckham's eight receptions increased his season total to 79, the most in NFL history for a player in his first 11 career games. Beckham’s 79 receptions is a Giants rookie record. He broke the former mark held by tight end Jeremy Shockey, who caught 74 passes in 2002. Beckham extended his Giants and NFL rookie records with his eighth consecutive game with at least 90 receiving yards. Next week, he can tie the league record of nine, set by Hall of Famer Michael Irvin in 1995. Beckham is the first rookie in NFL history with at least 130 receiving yards and a touchdown catch in three consecutive games. Beckham’s two touchdowns increased his season total to 11, which breaks Bill Swiacki’s Giants rookie record for scoring receptions, which had stood since 1948 (when Swiacki caught 10). Beckham is one shy of Bill Paschal’s franchise record for total touchdowns by a rookie. Paschal had 12 in 1943 (10 rushing, two receiving).

Mike Evans has 11 TD and 997 yds this year. I'm not saying he's the greatest rookie either.

In comment 12048546 WideRight said:

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Mike Evans has 11 TD and 997 yds this year. I'm not saying he's the greatest rookie either.

So Mike Evans numbers are well behind OBJ and he played 4 more games. I don't understand the analogy.

what you need him to do......it's all about us having a great wr with fire!!!!!

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we are now at the point where u have to wonder: would this have been a Playoff team if Beckham hadn't annoyingly missed the entire offseason program, camp and first 4 games??

if we had been able to center our offense around him, from the beginning...?

because with OBJ as our #1 WR we are a completely different team

rookie season was ridiculous. I rememeber the Thanksgiving game that year against the Cowboys and he had 3 receptions, 163 yards, and 3 TD's. LOL.

because you can't just discount the 5 games he missed.

Who thinks obj is having as good a year as the 98 moss season. Obj has been great but not realizing the moss season was better is just blatant homerism, a clear bias for recency, or plain dumb.

is his route running, he runs the full tree like a vet.

In comment 12048617 bhill410 said:

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Who thinks obj is having as good a year as the 98 moss season. Obj has been great but not realizing the moss season was better is just blatant homerism, a clear bias for recency, or plain dumb.

If the numbers say otherwise on a per game basis then explain your reasoning.

For many years prior to free agency teams just did not play rookies very much but instead made them sit on the bench in order to first learn everything about the offense and then "earn" the opportunity of getting time on the field. They were properties of the team for as long as the team chose and there was zero incentive to rush rookies onto the field.

A guy like Lance Alworth is a perfect example of a young player who had a very big impact as a WR but not until year two and this was back when the defenders were allowed contact until the ball was thrown which basically is a different game from todays NFL. I couldn't imagine what type of numbers he might have put up had the defenses he faced be limited to todays rules.

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In comment 12048626 Josh in the City said:

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In comment 12048617 bhill410 said: Quote: Who thinks obj is having as good a year as the 98 moss season. Obj has been great but not realizing the moss season was better is just blatant homerism, a clear bias for recency, or plain dumb. If the numbers say otherwise on a per game basis then explain your reasoning.

Because it is greatest season for a rookie, not greatest season were he to be healthy all year for a rookie.

Instead of greatest rookie WR season of all time, what if it were worded as greatest rookie WR of all time.

does not go to the guys head. Look how well that work out for RG3 in Washington. The guy has a real chance to be historically good....or turn into one of the more spectacular trainwrecks if he let's it all go to his head.

It sounds like he is doing some of the right things to prepare himself. I hope he stays on the right track.

In comment 12048617 bhill410 said:

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Who thinks obj is having as good a year as the 98 moss season. Obj has been great but not realizing the moss season was better is just blatant homerism, a clear bias for recency, or plain dumb.

To be fair, OBJ is averaging ~20 more yards per game and several more catches per game than Moss did. And is also averaging 1 TD/game.

And to those that say DBs could get away with a lot more, you should review some of the plays Beckham's made and the penalties he's drawn. DBs have been pretty damn physical with him this year.

To compare the seasons. Beckham season has a good chance of approaching moss' rookie year, even without four games played.

In comment 12048643 Josh in the City said:

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Instead of greatest rookie WR season of all time, what if it were worded as greatest rookie WR of all time.

He's right up there with Moss. Moss probably made more big plays. OBJ is more polished and consistent. I can't think of another rookie WR that compares to those two.

catch. Moss smokes Beckham in that.

In comment 12048699 Scyber said:

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catch. Moss smokes Beckham in that.

Um. Why?

Anquan Boldin - 101 catches, 1,377 yards and 8 TDs.

And just for kicks, check out Ditka's rookie campaign (in a completely different era - insane).

His football talent and want-to are a revelation.

Now, he needs to grow up a bit and learn to keep his composure as a competitor.

Bill Groman who was a rookie in the AFL and when their was only a 14 game schedule

14 games - 72 receptions - 1473 yards (105.2 per)- 12 TD's



Billy Howton rookie when only twelve game schedule

12 games- 53 receptions- 1231 yards (102.6 per) 13 TD's

had a magnificent rookie year for the Chargers in only 14 games.

56 catches, 1K yards, 18 ypc, 13 TDs. Neither Winslow or Chandler were there yet. And Joiner had an off year.

the invention of Sunday Ticket...

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More magic from Odell Beckham Jr. The Giants' rookie phenom torched an overmatched St. Louis secondary on his way to eight catches for 148 yards and two touchdowns. Beckham now has 79 receptions for 1,120 yards and 11 touchdowns -- amazing production given he missed the first four weeks with a hamstring injury. Beckham is an absolute lock for Offensive Rookie of the Year and may even snag a few MVP votes. People need to understand how rare it is for a rookie wide receiver to hit the ground running as a superstar. Beckham pulled a Moss.

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Watkins has been having a good rookie season. Beckham has been having an outstanding season by any measure. I don't think trading up for Sammy is some huge disaster or something and I think they will be similar talents and Watkins could easily have the better career, but Beckham has been what we wanted Sammy to be this season.

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Gale Sayers: 22 TDs, rushing, receiving, returning. 5.2 yards per carry, 17.5 yards per reception. 15 yards average on punt returns, 31 on kickoff returns.

that is 6-9. He has been great, but it's a team game. Nobody is winning "greatest ever" tags on a 6-9 team. Sorry.

rookie campaigns ever. But the greatest?

Anquan Boldin had one hell of a rookie season.
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In comment 12049381 RDJR said:

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that is 6-9. He has been great, but it's a team game. Nobody is winning "greatest ever" tags on a 6-9 team. Sorry.

2001 - Starahan set the single season sack record as the Giants wen't 7-9

In comment 12049830 larryflower37 said:

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Anquan Boldin had one hell of a rookie season. Top 20 Rookie Receiving Seasons in the Past 20 Years - ( New Window )

OBJ blows those guys out of the water in YPG: 101.8 vs 86

OBJ would rank 5th in total yards right now and should move up to at least 3rd behind only Boldin/Moss.

OBJ is 2nd behind Moss in TDs (tied with Evans and Williams).

OBJ would be #1 in catch % at 72.5%. For comparisons sake, Moss was at 55.6%

OBJ is currently 5th in receptions, but should easily pass Clayton for 4th.

got the numbers and already is a better route runner than Randy ever was.

In comment 12048546 WideRight said:

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Mike Evans has 11 TD and 997 yds this year. I'm not saying he's the greatest rookie either.

I don't think "oxymoron" means what you think it means

Anybody wanna change their opinion? I think OBJ is the greatest rookie WR of all time. There, I said it.

be damn near 2k yards and 20+ TDs.

In comment 12058059 GiantFilthy said:

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be damn near 2k yards and 20+ TDs.

I'd choose ODJ over Moss any day. You can intimidate Moss and take him out of the game.

In comment 12058059 GiantFilthy said:

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be damn near 2k yards and 20+ TDs.

But the fact is we'll never know. And OBJ had the better rookie year on a per game basis...by a lot.

Carter on the other side? Just sayin...