I submit to BBI that it's time to start Nassib for the following reasons:
1) Getting him in a real game is extremely important for his development.
2) 1 good game could make him a valuable trade asset and this team has holes. We've seen time and time again a QB having light but promising experience getting traded for a high pick. I never doubted this but I think the Eli critics can now see that we won't need to replace him for years and Eli is one of the most durable players of all time, a back up QB is a huge luxury when your Oline, Pass rush, S and LB positions need work.
3) I don't really see an argument to be made for Eli needing to play. He got injured in a worthless game last year. You could certainly make the argument that he needed to develop chemistry with Odell but I think we can safely say that has been accomplished and one game isn't going to make much of a difference. Because this has been pretty clear for a bit, I might have even started Nassib in Washington. (St. Louis would not have been a good first match up for him however)
4) There are a lot of teams clustered at 6-9 a loss could swing us 5-6 picks. I know people will say "we got Odell last year at 12" but we could have also got him at 8 and the higher you pick the higher chance you have for a hit. We want to see what Nassib has but he also gives us a better chance to lose and I do not want to win the game. (I can't root against any of the Giants players or plays but philosophically a loss does more for me than a win)
5) I know I just said i'd prefer a loss but if we beat Philly with our back up that would be a nice exclamation on their disappointing season.
6) We've been giving a lot of the other young players a shot all season, play this kid!
A) develop the young backup
B) assess the backup in live action
C) obtain a higher draft pick
Alternatively, by committing considerable playing time to Nassib the Giants would effectively be ceding their best chance to win, risking one of the more impressive streaks in the NFL, and minimizing any chemistry developed within the offense by way of live reps.
This is not uncharted territory, as we can sift through time to demonstrate situations where teams either hamstrung themselves or benefitted themselves by optomozing their draft position in latter stages of the season.
Just not his philosophy. And good for him.
Once we were mathematically eliminated, many on this board were hoping that guys, who were sitting on the bench and not getting a chance to play, would get that chance.....the Wynn's, Bromley's, Kennard's, Berhe's, Washington's, Moore's, etc.
If we lost because we played these guys, no big deal....but I don't think the majority of Giant fans were hoping we would lose, just accepting the fact, if we did.....we had nothing to play for except for the fact that, let's see what guys on the bench could do, and see what they could contribute to the future of this team...we are not playing playoff teams......we are playing teams who are running out the string, just like we are...
Which I guess is OK, but not the way that the Giants (or I would want the Giants) to operate.
2. he's chasing an ironman record that is about as legit as any in sports
3. I don't really care about Nassib or his trade value. We need a solid back-up so trading him isn't really something I want to do anyway.
Enough with the roster turnover, keep our guys and let them grow.
He should not get playing time if we are losing..
He should not be getting playing time when we are winning...
It's funny reading some of this shit, because you'd think Eli is like fucking Timmy Tim, in the christmas carol. Eli Manning is one of the toughest QBs in the league. No other fan bases talk about their Qbs getting benched. Eli Manning should not be coming out of the game at anytime. If we are up by a lot or down by a lot. He should only come out if he is hurt. If he isn't hurt, then he should be taking every snap.
Why even entertain the thought of second rate QB's. Not saying letting Nassib play would be like letting the QB of the Cards play but that QB display is pitiful. Enjoy Eli in NYG blue as much as possible.
And say for the sake of argument that Nassib starts, throws for 400 yards and 4tds. What is his trade value? Virtually the same as it is today. Do you remember Matt Flynn starting the last game of the Packers season a few years ago? Had a ridiculous outing, and parlayed it into a contract elsewhere. He has done nothing since. The rest of the league remembers that too.
Nassib should be on the bench unless it is late and the game is well in hand. Nothing else is going to - or should - happen.
Why doesn't he get the special snowflake mark too?
If we're not about than winning life and are out to protect our limited assets, he shouldn't play either and the mighty Nassib should throw to his WR equal Corey Washington.
If you think heading into the offseason without additional Eli to Beckham/Randle reps isn't important, then you don't know football.
Which I guess is OK, but not the way that the Giants (or I would want the Giants) to operate.
That was not the complete thought, this is...
"We want to see what Nassib has but he also gives us a better chance to lose and I do not want to win the game. (I can't root against any of the Giants players or plays but philosophically a loss does more for me than a win)"
Thoughts and emotions are very complex, if i'm rooting for all the individual plays to go well for the Giants the sum of those parts add up to a win, so the best way to describe what I outlined is i'm actively and more emotionally rooting for a win while from a higher purely rational level i'm passively preferring a loss.
He is also in the running for the 3rd QB in the pro bowl (behind Rodgers/Romo).
He has had a fantastic bounce back year.
And yet people want more Nassib. How about we just kick the shit out of the Eagles and end the year on a good note.
A Pro Bowl would be sweet but it's not happening. He was finished in the public's eyes after that 5 interception game, because that plays right into their image of him. It's the same legion of people that say they'd rather have Joe Crappo leading their team because they don't like Eli's face.
And say for the sake of argument that Nassib starts, throws for 400 yards and 4tds. What is his trade value? Virtually the same as it is today. Do you remember Matt Flynn starting the last game of the Packers season a few years ago? Had a ridiculous outing, and parlayed it into a contract elsewhere. He has done nothing since. The rest of the league remembers that too.
Nassib should be on the bench unless it is late and the game is well in hand. Nothing else is going to - or should - happen.
That is the exact point i'm trying to make. What happened with Flynn could just as easily happen with Nassib. Favre is a huge counter example to Flynn and he didn't even have the regular season game to get the Pack interested. If you don't think NFL front offices are willing to gamble on even small sample sizes of success you are crazy. QBs with limited experience get traded for value all the time, the more you showcase their skills the higher that value will be.
Also people need to stop confusing unconventional thinknig with stupidity. I have logic behind my statements and some of you have presented counter logic. Unless any of you have crystal balls you have no idea what is stupid and what isn't. Nassib could have a great game and get traded for a 1st round and 3rd round pick. Looking pretty smart then no? Eli play the whole game and get injured in the 4th of a meaningless game. (Maybe if he wasn't injured the end of last year he has an even better year)
Others have presented no rational framework in response to mine other than overbearing recitations of conventional wisdom. Thank you for blathering this in a moderately aggressive fashion, unfortunately that's what most people in this country would like to spend their time doing in the 21st century.
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and will probably play the whole game. There is great things going on with this offense. OBJ, Williams all playing well. Why change it? Its something to build off for next season.
You mean like last season? How did that work out?
I think Eli should start.....I think Nassib should play either the second half or the last quarter.....I want to know what this guy can do in an actual game....if you want to play Eli for the whole game, in a meaningless game, so be it.....I would love to see Philly lose, especially if it's a close game, and we put Nassib in and they still lost....
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He's the backup. He's cheap.
I care and others should too, we should want raise his value, trade him and shore up weaker positions than QB. (of which we have many)
Not the way it works. They have a reliable backup, cheap. They are not trading that (most likely) for a 4th or 5th rd pick and then start over with another young back up QB. and they sure don't want to pay a vet.
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2) I am all for pulling Manning during a meaningless game. But, i am not a fan of playing Nassib just for the Hell of it.
3) you make it sound like the Giants have been playing other young players just to see what they have. Most of the Rookies and 2nd year players have been playing due to injuries.
4) I actually don't like the idea of trading Nassib. I don't think he would bring back anything of significant value. Plus, trading him means you have to spend resources on another backup. That means either they spend a pick on another QB or spend valuable cap space on a veteran. I would prefer to stick with Nassib as the backup to learn more of the offense this offseason. He might be more valuable to the Giants on the team than off with Eli getting older and a decision looming on whether or not to extend him.
If it gets out of hand in either direction, then you can put back ups in.
Still think about that disaster on Sunday night that basically began the end of the season...
Eli should and will start on sunday. There really isn't even a logical debate to be had about the subject.
Outside of that please give the fans what they want: more Eli to ODB.
If you want Manning out, primarily in order to lose and protect him, take out Beckham too. Remove DRC. Pull Beatty. Only give Hankins a few snaps. They should all fall under the same umbrella, not just singling out the QB and perhaps even going far enough to cut off a streak that the player clearly values to do it.
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He's the backup. He's cheap.
I care and others should too, we should want raise his value, trade him and shore up weaker positions than QB. (of which we have many)
Not the way it works. They have a reliable backup, cheap. They are not trading that (most likely) for a 4th or 5th rd pick and then start over with another young back up QB. and they sure don't want to pay a vet.
This is about Nassib? What has he ever done in an NFL game for anyone to be able to call him reliable?
It will never happen, but it wouldn't bother me. The Eagles are going home for the playoffs regardless.
That said, I can certainly see TC playing him in the fourth quarter, especially if the game is decided.
To many people forget how painful it was to lose all the time.
Savor winning it does not happen by mistake.
To many people forget how painful it was to lose all the time.
Savor winning it does not happen by mistake.
I'd much rather to be able to say we finished a game under .500 than ended the season with double digit losses. Besides, love me some Eli to Beckham.
Eli may make the probowl with just two more plays. That close is the NFL.
I do believe Eli deserves mention but guys like Seattle's Wilson, GB's Rodgers,etc., get winner's hype and deserve it too.