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Nassib should be the starter Sunday

NoGainDayne : 12/22/2014 9:30 am
I submit to BBI that it's time to start Nassib for the following reasons:

1) Getting him in a real game is extremely important for his development.

2) 1 good game could make him a valuable trade asset and this team has holes. We've seen time and time again a QB having light but promising experience getting traded for a high pick. I never doubted this but I think the Eli critics can now see that we won't need to replace him for years and Eli is one of the most durable players of all time, a back up QB is a huge luxury when your Oline, Pass rush, S and LB positions need work.

3) I don't really see an argument to be made for Eli needing to play. He got injured in a worthless game last year. You could certainly make the argument that he needed to develop chemistry with Odell but I think we can safely say that has been accomplished and one game isn't going to make much of a difference. Because this has been pretty clear for a bit, I might have even started Nassib in Washington. (St. Louis would not have been a good first match up for him however)

4) There are a lot of teams clustered at 6-9 a loss could swing us 5-6 picks. I know people will say "we got Odell last year at 12" but we could have also got him at 8 and the higher you pick the higher chance you have for a hit. We want to see what Nassib has but he also gives us a better chance to lose and I do not want to win the game. (I can't root against any of the Giants players or plays but philosophically a loss does more for me than a win)

5) I know I just said i'd prefer a loss but if we beat Philly with our back up that would be a nice exclamation on their disappointing season.

6) We've been giving a lot of the other young players a shot all season, play this kid!


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Stop  
Josh in the City : 12/22/2014 9:31 am : link
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Nassib will get 3 and 1/2 games next preseason.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/22/2014 9:31 am : link
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That is not in Coughlin's DNA  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 12/22/2014 9:31 am : link
It just isn't going to happen. I could see possibly he come in at end of 4th quarter if game is secure. But the backup is not going to start.
Very insightful response Josh  
NoGainDayne : 12/22/2014 9:31 am : link
you must be a master debater.
Prepare to be disappointed  
Madden11 : 12/22/2014 9:32 am : link
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So we're going to end Eli's NFL leading streak....  
Britt in VA : 12/22/2014 9:32 am : link
of never missing a game in over ten years?

Yeah, good luck selling that one to Eli, who hasn't missed a game since he was a freshman in High School.
RE: So we're going to end Eli's NFL leading streak....  
BrettNYG10 : 12/22/2014 9:34 am : link
In comment 12048433 Britt in VA said:
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of never missing a game in over ten years?

Yeah, good luck selling that one to Eli, who hasn't missed a game since he was a freshman in High School.


Yeah, I don't mind Nassib playing the second half, but I'm sure Eli values the streak (and I like it as well).
in a perfect world we would sit  
Les in TO : 12/22/2014 9:34 am : link
Eli and Odell next week but it's never going to happen. not only will those two insist on playing but management/ownership will want to end the season on a high note to get the fan base/season ticket holders excited for next season. 7-9 also looks a lot better than 6-10. we are also playing a close division rivals.
I will cede the streak point  
NoGainDayne : 12/22/2014 9:36 am : link
let him play a series, he doesn't even need a whole half to keep it alive...

And I wouldn't bench Odell, definitely want to see Nassib with him. (the better stats he puts up the more value he has)
I would rather watch the Giants  
rocco8112 : 12/22/2014 9:37 am : link
put forth their best and roll the Eagles at home.

Revenge for the ass kicking this team got in Philly.

Is it meaningless? Playoff wise sure, but I want to see a W to end the season. Sit Eli? Let him light up the Eagles for three TD's. Personally, I hope to never see Nassib play.
It's not  
Metnut : 12/22/2014 9:38 am : link
a bad idea but it's not the Giants'/Coughlin's style so it won't happen. I think Eli probably wants to keep his consecutive game streak going too.

I wouldn't seeing something similar to preseason where Eli plays the first half and a series or two in the second half and get Nassib 4-5 series in the second half.
Eli needs like 20 yards and 1 TD  
dep026 : 12/22/2014 9:39 am : link
for a 4,000/30 TD year.

He is also in the running for the 3rd QB in the pro bowl (behind Rodgers/Romo).
He has had a fantastic bounce back year.

And yet people want more Nassib. How about we just kick the shit out of the Eagles and end the year on a good note.
Its not the TC way ...  
Beer Man : 12/22/2014 9:42 am : link
Eli will start next week, and will play as long as the game is close.
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arcarsenal : 12/22/2014 9:42 am : link
Not happening.
I agree with most of NGD's points but Eli's streak needs to be..  
BurberryManning : 12/22/2014 9:42 am : link
maintained. I like the idea of giving Eli the first half and then seeing what Nassib has in the second. I dont see too much downside.
No  
rdt288 : 12/22/2014 9:43 am : link
No
What Britt & dep said..  
Sean : 12/22/2014 9:44 am : link
also, this offense still needs development with Eli and the WR's. This is only the 16th regular season game of the McAdoo offense, this team is in no position to bench the starting QB.

This is a silly thread.
Nassib will have more than enough opportunities  
David in LA : 12/22/2014 9:44 am : link
in preseason to showcase his skills. One game isn't going to do anything for his trade value going into this offseason, unless he looked like Aaron Rodgers out there.
Who cares about his value?  
Peter in Atlanta : 12/22/2014 9:45 am : link
He's the backup. He's cheap.
Yeah!  
B in ALB : 12/22/2014 9:46 am : link
another horrible idea! Congratulations.

There are no good reasons to play Nassib during the last game of the season, at home against a division rival when your QB has the third longest starting streak in NFL history, the offense is playing well, the OL is protecting him and said division rival squashed them in the first game. None.

While i agree that it's "not in Coughlin's DNA" - it also shouldn't be in any coaches DNA to do this.
Dumbest post I've seen on here in a while  
NYGmen58 : 12/22/2014 9:46 am : link
and that says a lot!

Any one who is "hoping for a loss" is a total loser.
Wow.  
drkenneth : 12/22/2014 9:48 am : link
I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
That's not the way the league works  
Buck Dharma : 12/22/2014 9:48 am : link
The coaches and players are trying to win games, even after they are eliminated from playoff contention.
I think it's important to everyone on the team coaches & players alike  
steve in ky : 12/22/2014 9:50 am : link
to win out and end the season on a positive. If they have a large enough lead halfway through the fourth quarter than we might see him get a series or possibly two.

As long as we are playing what ifs. I could just imagine the outcry towards Coughlin if Nassib started and at some point he poorly lead Odell over the middle to where he hung him out to dry and Odell gets injured.
RE: Dumbest post I've seen on here in a while  
NoGainDayne : 12/22/2014 9:51 am : link
In comment 12048489 NYGmen58 said:
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and that says a lot!

Any one who is "hoping for a loss" is a total loser.


There is a difference between saying i'm hoping for a loss and "philosophically i'd prefer one" if you could comprehend writing with words more advanced than "dumb and loser" maybe then you can try to start writing intelligent things yourself.
Nassib should start  
WideRight : 12/22/2014 9:52 am : link
if he's the best option to win on Sunday.

What was that other crap OP was talking about?
I dont get the whole "trade value" argument for nassib  
fame56 : 12/22/2014 9:53 am : link
if he has starter potential, which the coaches and management know a lot better that I do, then wouldn't the Giants want to keep him as the heir apparent to Eli?

and/or a viable 2nd string QB in case something happens to Eli?

looking around the league, there are many teams trying to win games with inadequate quarterback play, which also astounds me when people criticize Eli Manning

think about our beloved Giants without Eli Manning at quarterback..

anyway, I believe Nassib stays put until the Giants decide either he is the next starter after Eli, or he is not good enough and we acquire someone else in the draft that has more potential
RE: Who cares about his value?  
NoGainDayne : 12/22/2014 9:53 am : link
In comment 12048480 Peter in Atlanta said:
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He's the backup. He's cheap.


I care and others should too, we should want raise his value, trade him and shore up weaker positions than QB. (of which we have many)
RE: So we're going to end Eli's NFL leading streak....  
USAF NYG Fan : 12/22/2014 9:54 am : link
In comment 12048433 Britt in VA said:
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of never missing a game in over ten years?

Yeah, good luck selling that one to Eli, who hasn't missed a game since he was a freshman in High School.

This.

Plus:
-He's about to break the 4000 yard mark.
-He's still working towards a Hall of Fame entry.
-He can always get more experience against a division rival.
-The chemistry between Eli and his receivers gets better with every throw.
-Beckham is working towards awards and NFL records. Eli is his best chance.
-We owe the Eagles a game.
-Eli deserves the team's support.
I'd like to see him play the 2nd half  
Mad Mike : 12/22/2014 9:56 am : link
(would've liked to see him play some 2nd halves, or at least 4th quarters already these past few weeks), but I think Eli should start and play at least a half. Eli surely wants to play, and even in a game late in a lost season, you should play to win and have your starting guys out there for much of the game.
RE: I dont get the whole  
NoGainDayne : 12/22/2014 9:56 am : link
In comment 12048512 fame56 said:
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if he has starter potential, which the coaches and management know a lot better that I do, then wouldn't the Giants want to keep him as the heir apparent to Eli?

and/or a viable 2nd string QB in case something happens to Eli?

looking around the league, there are many teams trying to win games with inadequate quarterback play, which also astounds me when people criticize Eli Manning

think about our beloved Giants without Eli Manning at quarterback..

anyway, I believe Nassib stays put until the Giants decide either he is the next starter after Eli, or he is not good enough and we acquire someone else in the draft that has more potential


It matters because we very well could have another 6-8 years of Eli. If Nassib has the goods we won't be able to afford to keep him and the closer he gets to FA the less leverage we have...

RE: RE: So we're going to end Eli's NFL leading streak....  
Mike in NY : 12/22/2014 9:57 am : link
In comment 12048518 USAF NYG Fan said:
Quote:
In comment 12048433 Britt in VA said:


Quote:


of never missing a game in over ten years?

Yeah, good luck selling that one to Eli, who hasn't missed a game since he was a freshman in High School.


This.

Plus:
-He's about to break the 4000 yard mark.
-He's still working towards a Hall of Fame entry.
-He can always get more experience against a division rival.
-The chemistry between Eli and his receivers gets better with every throw.
-Beckham is working towards awards and NFL records. Eli is his best chance.
-We owe the Eagles a game.
-Eli deserves the team's support.


+1
I do not mind giving Eli the first half to break 4000/30, help Beckham break his record, etc. If the game is out of hand at halftime then play Nassib. Otherwise keep Eli in and evaluate again after the 3rd Quarter. If this game is close Eli stays in
What Herm said  
tribs : 12/22/2014 10:00 am : link
You Play to Win the Game

We understand that coaches and players "play to win the game"...  
BurberryManning : 12/22/2014 10:00 am : link
The debate remains if it is in the best long term interests of the organization to:

A) develop the young backup
B) assess the backup in live action
C) obtain a higher draft pick

Alternatively, by committing considerable playing time to Nassib the Giants would effectively be ceding their best chance to win, risking one of the more impressive streaks in the NFL, and minimizing any chemistry developed within the offense by way of live reps.

This is not uncharted territory, as we can sift through time to demonstrate situations where teams either hamstrung themselves or benefitted themselves by optomozing their draft position in latter stages of the season.
I think the experience Eli gains with the new offense  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 10:03 am : link
against a Conference opponent he will see twice a year, is more important than just about anything I can think of
If Coughlin isn't going to sit his starters against the Pats in 2007  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/22/2014 10:05 am : link
good luck if you think he's going to do anything other than keep the pedal down in a game with much lower stakes.

Just not his philosophy. And good for him.

I think, there is some confusion here.....  
Doomster : 12/22/2014 10:05 am : link
There is a big difference between, hoping for a loss and not minding a loss.....

Once we were mathematically eliminated, many on this board were hoping that guys, who were sitting on the bench and not getting a chance to play, would get that chance.....the Wynn's, Bromley's, Kennard's, Berhe's, Washington's, Moore's, etc.

If we lost because we played these guys, no big deal....but I don't think the majority of Giant fans were hoping we would lose, just accepting the fact, if we did.....we had nothing to play for except for the fact that, let's see what guys on the bench could do, and see what they could contribute to the future of this team...we are not playing playoff teams......we are playing teams who are running out the string, just like we are...
No way Nassib starts  
Spock : 12/22/2014 10:05 am : link
I'm sure Gmen want to go out again on a high note, especially at home, and especially against dreaded Eagles.
Doomster  
steve in ky : 12/22/2014 10:07 am : link
There have been a number of fans who posted they would prefer the team lose because of draft position.
This is the fucking Eagles  
Sneakers O'toole : 12/22/2014 10:13 am : link
play to win, period.
There's not a chance in hell of this ever happening  
BSIMatt : 12/22/2014 10:13 am : link
You think Coughlin would put Eli on the bench to let Nassib get playing time? You think a healthy Eli would actually sit on the bench while the Giants just trotted out Nassib for practice time? Do you think the X number of season ticket holders, payers of PSL's would be a little infuriated, and rightfully so if they show up to the game wearing their Eli jerseys's, and Eli is sitting on the bench? Do you think Beckham and the rest of the offense would even let Nassib on the field, with the current tear he is on and how the offense just played? There is no way in hell this would ever happen, should ever happen. Terrible idea, and this is what preseason games or for. For everything that Eli has done for Giants fans and all the great memories, this is a horribly disrespectful idea to one of the most competitive Giants of all time.
Except this...  
Peter from CT : 12/22/2014 10:14 am : link
"We want to see what Nassib has but he also gives us a better chance to lose and I do not want to win the game. " So this falls into the wanting to lose camp.

Which I guess is OK, but not the way that the Giants (or I would want the Giants) to operate.
I wouldn't mind seeing Nassib play significant minutes  
81_Great_Dane : 12/22/2014 10:14 am : link
once the Giants are up by five touchdowns.
Play yes  
AnnapolisMike : 12/22/2014 10:17 am : link
Start....Not a snowballs chance in hell. Streaks like Eli's are important to the player and organization. I fully expect the Giants to go all out to avoid a 10 loss season.
Yeah  
ZogZerg : 12/22/2014 10:19 am : link
Fuck Eli and his streak!
Nassib should not be the starter on Sunday  
YAJ2112 : 12/22/2014 10:20 am : link
and no one is trading for him whether he plays or not. You can dream and wish and hope all you like but it isn't happening. Eli is starting Sunday as he should. He's more than earned the right.
zero chance Eli is sitting  
UConn4523 : 12/22/2014 10:22 am : link
1. he's a competitor and a warrior who understands people pay money to watch the Giants put the best product possible on the field.

2. he's chasing an ironman record that is about as legit as any in sports

3. I don't really care about Nassib or his trade value. We need a solid back-up so trading him isn't really something I want to do anyway.
and how often do backups even get dealt  
UConn4523 : 12/22/2014 10:24 am : link
or net a haul that makes it even worth it. I'd argue Nassib is more valuable as a decent back-up than getting a 4th or 5th back and having to find another miserable backup like Painter.

Enough with the roster turnover, keep our guys and let them grow.
Eli is not sitting  
Fish : 12/22/2014 10:29 am : link
and will probably play the whole game. There is great things going on with this offense. OBJ, Williams all playing well. Why change it? Its something to build off for next season.
No he shouldn't  
AnishPatel : 12/22/2014 10:34 am : link
He should not be starting..

He should not get playing time if we are losing..

He should not be getting playing time when we are winning...



It's funny reading some of this shit, because you'd think Eli is like fucking Timmy Tim, in the christmas carol. Eli Manning is one of the toughest QBs in the league. No other fan bases talk about their Qbs getting benched. Eli Manning should not be coming out of the game at anytime. If we are up by a lot or down by a lot. He should only come out if he is hurt. If he isn't hurt, then he should be taking every snap.

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