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I'm excited about this team, the arrow is pointing up....

kmed : 12/22/2014 10:15 am
I remember how this season went when the schedule was tough. I know we've feasted on some bad teams and I know Eric is convinced that we shouldn't be too excited for that reason, but I don't care. I am excited. We are a really, really young team and I think this is more of our young players coming along than just feasting on crappy teams.

Offensively, I think we are 2 players away from being really, really good. We will have a full season of McAdoo's system(plus offseason tweaks). We add a guard and a legit TE to this group and we are going to be really tough to stop. OBJ, Cruz and Randle is a good young group of WR's. Andre Williams is starting to look a lot better now that he's getting PT and Jennings is a very good, well rounded back. Our OL is playing better and if we move Richburg inside and add a really tough guard to the mix, I think they will continue to progress. I like Donnell, but I'd like him more as the #2 TE. I'd love to see Eli with a legit TE talent.

Defensively, we have some really good young players in Moore, Wynn, Hankins and Kennard. With Prince and DRC, we have 2 legit corners. I really hope we bring back Rolle and pray that Beason comes back healthy. We don't need to add a ton of talent, but I'd like another playmaking LB.

I am convinced that this team is just getting a lot better rather than facing bad teams.
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We need  
Mr. Nickels : 12/22/2014 12:59 pm : link
a Tackle a Tight End could use a speed back to compliment Jennings and A Williams

Don't forget about Jernigan he looked great end of last year I would bring him back.. Beckham Cruz Randle Jernigan and I would consider making a play for Randall Cobb.
I don't think we need a guy like Cobb.  
kmed : 12/22/2014 1:01 pm : link
Assuming Cruz is healthy, he's our slot guy. We can use that money for another position. I also don't think we will be looking for a tackle as Pugh and Beatty are both young and ascending. Add a bigtime guard, shift Richburg over and we are all set.
I think Donnel can be the #1, we  
giantgiantfan : 12/22/2014 1:08 pm : link
don't need a Jimmy Graham level TE. Just pickup a #2/#3 tight end that is a top notch blocker and continue to develop Donnel.
I don't think we "need" Jimmy Graham,  
kmed : 12/22/2014 1:10 pm : link
but I really would like to upgrade our TE position and give Eli a legit TE for the first time since Shockey. There is a large gap between Graham and Donnell.
I don't think the Giants  
djm : 12/22/2014 1:18 pm : link
spend whatever financial resources they have on another big ticket WR. I think they will sign a solid under the radar type. They don't need a super star WR what they need is Randle to emerge as a good solid player and Cruz to come back. Not to mention, Cruz makes good money and Beckham will cost a fortune eventually.

Even if Randle isn't the answer, I think the offense can get by with a serviceable guy at WR alongside Beck and Cruz.

TE and RB and OL. That's where there's a hole unless you think Donnell is gonna get a lot better. I think he's an average talent. Williams is emerging at RB but what is his upside? Jennings? I'd like one more RB.
the arrow is pointing up  
fkap : 12/22/2014 1:18 pm : link
and will continue until next season when we start playing meaningful games, at which point it'll start pointing sideways or down. the only caveat is if we have a magical offseason. this team and staff are a long way from being upper tier.
RE: I don't think we  
AnishPatel : 12/22/2014 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12049354 kmed said:
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but I really would like to upgrade our TE position and give Eli a legit TE for the first time since Shockey. There is a large gap between Graham and Donnell.



Right now we are not getting any consistent production at TE. I want someone that can be used as a weapon. These TEs we have are useless. We need more weapons for Eli.
It's all about competition. Feel good about Eli and OBJ.  
RDJR : 12/22/2014 1:34 pm : link
Otherwise it is a difficult cast to simply say the "arrow is pointing up" about. We are what our record says we are, 6-9 with one to go. That is not good and we are not a good team. False optimism doomed this team this season, I hope we don't fall to a similar fate next season.
The NFL has become such a year-to-year league...  
hitchchops : 12/22/2014 1:35 pm : link
...I don't think there are any arrows anymore. We have no clue what the coaching staff or roster will look like next season, so to assume any carryover is foolhardy. Yes there is young talent, but there are also huge question marks and areas of concern that balance that out. And we have one quality win in two seasons, which is where we are as a franchise right now. Sadly, we have become the team that good teams have to focus on not looking past.
Donnell  
Marty866b : 12/22/2014 1:39 pm : link
Poor blocker,good hands, The worst runner with the ball as a tight end I've ever seen. We need to upgrade the position.
RE: I don't think we  
GIANTSr01 : 12/22/2014 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12049354 kmed said:
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but I really would like to upgrade our TE position and give Eli a legit TE for the first time since Shockey. There is a large gap between Graham and Donnell.


I'd almost prefer a guy like Bennett. Donnell's probably been above average in the passing game, but his struggles in the run game have been well documented. They need someone that can help open holes there, especially if they want to use the TE in different sets.
4 fumbles  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 1:42 pm : link
61 receptions 597 yards 6 TD's 35 first down receptions. Wish we drafted Jace Amaro or Eric Ebron
RE: Fewell's defenses have allowed too many blowouts,  
Simms11 : 12/22/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12048701 81_Great_Dane said:
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given up too many big plays, have put way too much pressure on the offense.

I don't think he's had terrific personnel but even so, at some point you have to say "We know what we have, and it's not good enough. Let's get someone better." -- much as they did with the transition from Gilbride to McAdoo.

The risk you take is that the guy you get ends up actually being worse.


How can you be worse then the #28 defense! Well, maybe you can, but Fewell's defenses have been bad consistently, other then 2011 playoffs with a fearsome pass rush.
I think the arrow is up too....  
BillKo : 12/22/2014 3:00 pm : link
but that's mainly with a offensive system that should improve next year because of understanding and growth. And of course some new weapons.

Defensively, we are a mess but a keen eye will see there is young talent there.

to get 8-10 wins next year, and be a more consistent team overall week to week, is not entirely out of the question.

Smart drafting and planning get you back to legit contention in 2016...and that really could happen next year.
RE: I think  
joe48 : 12/22/2014 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12048805 AnishPatel said:
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that's the issue when playing shitty ass teams. Now all of a sudden our team looks good. I think our offense has come along from the pre season to now. But I am not sure I would say the arrow is pointing up yet. Let's see how we add talent this off season. Let's see how this team progresses on offense. I am curious to see how OBJ does in year 2 now that teams have an off season to prepare for him, and pro personnel scouts do their hw on him.

On defense we still have a ways to go. If we change systems, then we are back to square one.

So I am not ready to say the arrow is point up. I think it's not pointing down, which is a good sign. I think it's holding at neutral. This off season will tell us where the arrow could be pointing.
As bad as we played this year against the better teams the difference between 6 or 7 wins and 10 is achievable for us next year. There is so much parity in the NFL. The key will be staying healthy.
RE: RE: I don't think we  
arcarsenal : 12/22/2014 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12049444 GIANTSr01 said:
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but I really would like to upgrade our TE position and give Eli a legit TE for the first time since Shockey. There is a large gap between Graham and Donnell.



I'd almost prefer a guy like Bennett. Donnell's probably been above average in the passing game, but his struggles in the run game have been well documented. They need someone that can help open holes there, especially if they want to use the TE in different sets.


There are maybe 3-5 teams in football who wouldn't prefer Bennett to the guy they've got.
arc  
GIANTSr01 : 12/22/2014 4:22 pm : link
fair enough, but I was talking more about preferring a "poor man's" Bennett to a poor man's Jimmy Graham.

As long as TC is in charge, the Giants will want to run the ball and with the creativity McAdoo has shown, I think a 2-way TE is preferable to a WR in a TE's body. I think it would be fun to see what McAdoo could do with a guy like Delanie Walker for example.

RE: RE: Totally agree  
Josh in the City : 12/22/2014 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12048663 HomerJones45 said:
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Love this McAdoo offense and how he tailors the scheme for his personnel. Such a nice departure from the Gilbride offense of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Now we just need to continue solidifying the offensive line in the offseason and the sky's the limit next season.

What a load of horseshit. He "square pegged" his way to two Lombardi's and the greatest run of offense the Giants saw since YA Tittle in the early 60's. McAdoo hasn't won shit yet, and if you notice, put some points on the board yesterday by dispensing with the 3 yard and a cloud of dust passes and going vertical-just like Gilbride.

Enough with this dissing of Gilbride. Some of you guys are ridiculous.


You're just wrong. When the personnel fit his scheme it worked to perfection. As soon as there was an injury or two and players either had to understand the complexity of the offense it crumbled to pieces. Then there are talented players who's talent was never maximized b/c the offense was never adapted to them (but rather vice versa). You can love Gilbride all you want but there's no arguing that in his offense you either fit his scheme or you were toast.
RE: RE: Fewell's defenses have allowed too many blowouts,  
Matt M. : 12/22/2014 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12049646 Simms11 said:
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given up too many big plays, have put way too much pressure on the offense.

I don't think he's had terrific personnel but even so, at some point you have to say "We know what we have, and it's not good enough. Let's get someone better." -- much as they did with the transition from Gilbride to McAdoo.

The risk you take is that the guy you get ends up actually being worse.



How can you be worse then the #28 defense! Well, maybe you can, but Fewell's defenses have been bad consistently, other then 2011 playoffs with a fearsome pass rush.
The 2011 defense was also bad. They had a good pass rush, but did not have a statistically good season. They just played well in the post season. That season was pretty much entirely on Eli and the passing game.
We would have been a playoff team this year had we had five less injur  
SGMen : 12/22/2014 11:21 pm : link
and/or 1 less mishaps.

1. OG Schwartz - clearly an upgrade over Jerry/Richburg.
2. FS Will Hill - Brown/Demps outright sucked.
3. WR V. Cruz - he'd have caught a lot of easy balls.
4. WR O. Beckham - a full season and he has 100-1400-16 type numbers maybe?
5. LB J. Beason - our leader and good run stuffer.
6. CB Prince - we just don't have much at CB.

Injuries happen but if we had these guys we'd have survived some of the closer games possibly. Who is to say we don't beat AZ, SF and Jacksonville with these guys in for the full season? playoffs? Maybe beat Dallas at home even. who knows.

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