The whole idea that this kid is making himself a target cause of spinning the ball is ridiculous.
He is a target because he is good and because he is a rookie.
I don't think Manning and Coughlin should be telling him to be more respectful or whatever. The bottom line is if the other team is offended by Beckham spinning the ball, they should find another line of work.
The Rams were out of line with the cheap shots - let's not pretend Beckham brought any of it onto himself and the kid has to defend himself when it happens.
Beckham has done little, if not nothing wrong, and if people are offended by his conduct, I just don't get it.
If he needs to do this to maintain his competitive fire, I don't care. Some of the best players of all time played angry and tried to embarrass people. It was a motivator.
You work so hard to get into the end zone, when you do, you should celebrate. He chided his team when they'd get there and not recognize the accomplishment.
But....I think Coughlin was only upset Beckham's celebration cost the team 15 yards, otherwise I doubt Coughlin would give a shit what he does in the end zone if it's within the rules.
But the notion that the bulls-eye is on his back because of his 'antics' is laughable. He's being targeted because he has been embarassing defenses for nearly two straight months, despite game-planning to stop him, on his way to a historic rookie year. It must be frustrating as a defensive player...
There is no doubt he raises the level of play for the whole team. NO ONE - esp coughlin and Eli want that toned down or stopped.. The point is to be aware that this is happening and to adjust. additionally he can't cost his team re: penalties.
I love that he doesn't back down. and I LOVE that he and the young Giants REFUSE TO BE INTIMIDATED. This will serve them well in the future.
I do have a problem with the inconsistency of the officiating. He has been danciing like that for weeks and now it is taunting. horse shit. I think Fisher might have "prepped" those refs with that flag, cause it went down fast with no real cause.
I'm old school. I like the Barry Sanders TD celebration, but that is not the game, or this generation. I have no problem with the dance as long as it doesn't draw a foul...which it shouldn't have
What Beckham did was 100% fine. He was jarring back and forth with the CB all game, which happens to just about every WR in the NFL. This just happened to blow up due to cheap shots.
There's no chance in hell I want Beckham to tone it down. Anyone who does is crazy. You can't ask these guys to be lights out all the time with 100% focus on being the best they can and not take some of the very small side effects with it.
Personally I prefer when a player acts like he has been there before and doesn't feel the need to celebrate so much. However if a player needs that in order to get up for his A game I don't want to stifle him from doing his thing as long as it doesn't go too far.
No one?
the Rams?
No one?
the Rams?
TC said it
No one?
the Rams?
Post game press conferences asking the question to TC and Beckham.
Columnists.
Users on BBI.
I think Beckham would be well advised to tone it down if for no other reason than he looks kind of dumb doing his dances. Other than that who gives a shit. Just keep playing well.
But he'd be ripped on BBI if he pulled the same shit on another team. No doubt about it.
The Rams were clearly targeting Beckham. Their Head Coach and DC both have histories of coaching very dirty teams using very dirty tactics. They were trying to hurt Beckham. There should certainly be fines for a number of players in the scrum on the sidelines. But, between the hit that incited it and the attempted hit on Beckham that ended up injuring a Rams player, plus the history of Williams and the history of Fisher, the league should be seriously looking at stiff fines for the Rams players and coaches.
What happened to the adage, if you want him to stop celebrating, then keep him out of the end zone.
he did his typical celebration
but the defender was still close to him
and then OBJ glance up and made eye contact with the defender as he was celebrating
that is when they threw the penalty
That said, he talks too much. He is for ever jawing and chirping at the opposing DB, that is what gets you in trouble. Breeland got caught last week when they were exchanging pleasantries with each other and it could have been Beckham that got the 15 yds, he said it after the game.
I think that if they called him for the ball spinning, then the refs should be called on the carpet. If it was the talking, then he needs to stop.
If Eli is saying he needs to tone it down, then maybe we should believe Eli.
That D was getting a ton of press about how great they were, To them there was no way a rookie was going to come into their house and play well. When ODB took over that game and they realized early on they had nothing to stop him with, the frustration took hold.
Rookies are not supposed to be able to what he does
That's why I think his stuff isn't overdone.
But then again, I don't care about any of that stuff. I just don't think anything justifies cheap shots and why change your style for one team - a Fisher-coached one.
Personally I like the celebrations. Some are very entertaining and others not so much. Those things can be entertaining and I love how Odell answered the questions in the presser, he is simply having fun out there. Not trying to make the opponent look bad, but enjoying the moment! Yet people want to say, if you score act like you've been there before. So you can't enjoy doing it over and over again? So what if it's your one and only touchdown for the year...who doesn't like seeing Hynoski do his crazy dance once a year?!
Additionally, I hate how other players try to mock others that do have "signature" celebratory moves/dances. Like when someone sacks Rodgers and then does the championship belt thing...come on man be original!
Maybe its what I was used to. Playing sports and growing up in the 80s, there was more showboating and trash talking on the hard court and football field. But you had to go out there and make them pay for it. If not, they were gonna keep coming at you.
he took them out of their game and still dominated them.
it caused them to head hunt, take penalties, get guys ejected, etc
this is to our advantage and was yesterday
i do not see what anyone would want to take this away from Odell.
the guy talks th talk and can walk the walk. its rare and it shouldnt be stomped out. its worth the occassional 15 yards.
the rams looked like fools out there yesterday
Maybe a small deference to what TC is telling him...
Maybe a small deference to what TC is telling him...
That was a sarcastic gesture
I think Beckham would be well advised to tone it down if for no other reason than he looks kind of dumb doing his dances. Other than that who gives a shit. Just keep playing well.
But he'd be ripped on BBI if he pulled the same shit on another team. No doubt about it.
I don't hate Maclin, and I don't hate Dez. I absolutely had Desean but that's more because he's a POS human being.
Please give me a freaking break you can't even begin to compare Desean Jackson to OBJ.
Tell me when was the last time OBJ mocked a player/team BEFORE he got into the end zone? He hasn't even mocked a team AFTER!
Has OBJ like an idiot lost a sure touchdown because he wanted to celebrate before he got into the end zone? No,. Stop the idiotic comparisons.
It's not confusing. Beckham wasn't flagged for spinning the ball.
Oh well.
here are some of the coach's comments:
“He will tone it down, he will. He did.”
from Beckham:
I don't think it's as a big an issue as some people. I think it's over. for now.
Yes, you will. You'll bitch up a storm like the rest of BBI.
Somehow, I see the same people arguing for the "old school" way of celebration also bitching about this league becoming a flag football league.
Just a strange observation.
Somehow, I see the same people arguing for the "old school" way of celebration also bitching about this league becoming a flag football league.
Just a strange observation.
Why is that strange?
It would be weird if they were against the celebrations but embraced the flag football rules, or vice versa
He is not backing down one inch and is giving it back to DB's that are trying to intimidate him.
He burns to win and be great. Let him be.
it was not the ball spinning it was that the defensive player was right next to him
and even that was no what gave him penalty
if you look at replay
ODJ spins the ball and then looks up and makes EYE CONTACT with defensive player
as soon as he does - ref reaches for flag
But you can either celebrate like Ochocinco or like Barry Sanders, hopefully OBJ will find his niche somewhere in between. Us older folks would prefer the latter, but it is a young mans game.
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“I spun the ball in front of me. But it is something that was a penalty,” Beckham said. “That’s just being young and trying to learn the rules and what you can and can’t do. I didn’t know that that was a penalty.”
it was not the ball spinning it was that the defensive player was right next to him
and even that was no what gave him penalty
if you look at replay
ODJ spins the ball and then looks up and makes EYE CONTACT with defensive player
as soon as he does - ref reaches for flag
The defender walked over to him while he was spinning. How is that taunting. Can't believe I quoting Banks but you just gave up the TD why are you going over to say anything? He was wide open what was the purpose of speaking to Beckham?
If you ask me, I'm more concerned that he's going to get flagged for that "team selfie" thing he did after he scored both times yesterday. It looks like a coordinated celebration. But don't tell me that spinning the ball or doing the Whip is considered an excessive celebration now. Guys are pulling that shit after catching a third down conversion.
It all depends on your point of view. Francesa is super conservative. Of course he doesn't like it.
TC himself doesn't agree.
Q: Do you also want him to continue to play with something of an edge without crossing whatever the line is?
A: Absolutely, there is no way you want to take anything away from the guy on the field, except for some of the things you see. I am not trying to tell you that everything he does is intentionally directed at the opponent. It is not, but if it is being interpreted by the officials as it is, then we have to do something about it.
Yet he loves Manziel doing the money sign stuff go figure. Has no problem with Gronk and Brady antics either.
If you ask me, I'm more concerned that he's going to get flagged for that "team selfie" thing he did after he scored both times yesterday. It looks like a coordinated celebration. But don't tell me that spinning the ball or doing the Whip is considered an excessive celebration now. Guys are pulling that shit after catching a third down conversion.
HE was referring to Fassel (Surprise) letting him get away with it as a rookie. And as a second year player. By the time TC got there it was too late
Jeff Fisher's teams are always full of scumbags. I recall the 2010 game against the Titans when Cortland Finnegan and the rest of their team acted like dirtbags. Odell Beckham was a senior in high school that year.
Odell was just the excuse for the bullshit they were going to pull anyway.
Shockey had issues rooted in his upbringing and bad habits off the field.
Basically he had enough practices to perfect that "Whip" because it's still amateurishly done...;)
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before we get 100 more posts all saying the same thing as the first 15 say, who said he should tone it down?
No one?
the Rams?
TC said it
If you made the defender look bad, you just handed the ball to the ref and went back to the huddle because if you did anything that might be interpreted as "rubbing the defender's nose in it", you'd leave the field on a stretcher. These days, TV cameras, instant replays and such coupled with penalties and fines, not so much.
Players celebrate a good play. I'm OK with that as long as it doesn't delay the game.
And meanwhile, in the "Instant Karma" department:
Ram defender went to "light OB up", OB juked, and Ram defender took his own teammate out of the game.
That took all the fun out of the "let's hurt the other player" stupidity.
What happened to the adage, if you want him to stop celebrating, then keep him out of the end zone.
good points
Giants team needs leadership, especially from a guy that produces on the field. Fans loved Bradshaw and Jacobs fire. OBJ is the next leader up and hopefully it will encourage the other young guys, from the draft that were captains of their college teams, to take on a leadership role.