I disagree with this Beckham tone it down stuff

But I still think he should tone it down.

if he keeps producing like this. I think Coughlin wants him to stay ho whe is, just minus the 15 yard penalties.

and it's big money entertainment.

If he needs to do this to maintain his competitive fire, I don't care. Some of the best players of all time played angry and tried to embarrass people. It was a motivator.

He didn't know you couldn't spin the ball. Its his coach and QB's job to let him know when he does things wrong. He accepted it and I'm sure everyone has moved on.

IMO in the NFL Network special on him.

You work so hard to get into the end zone, when you do, you should celebrate. He chided his team when they'd get there and not recognize the accomplishment.

But....I think Coughlin was only upset Beckham's celebration cost the team 15 yards, otherwise I doubt Coughlin would give a shit what he does in the end zone if it's within the rules.

especially on Defense. The Giants have become very easy to play against. Beckham is changing that. Yesterday was the best game the Giants have played in years.

He's young, fired up, wants to win, and has a chip on his shoulder (in a constructive way). He will mature, and there's no reason to think he won't keep his head on straight.

But the notion that the bulls-eye is on his back because of his 'antics' is laughable. He's being targeted because he has been embarassing defenses for nearly two straight months, despite game-planning to stop him, on his way to a historic rookie year. It must be frustrating as a defensive player...

in that regard,just the right amount of arrogance to want to beat his man every play and is not afraid to show it

the tone it down stuff is about him protecting himself. He is making himself a target. STL is notorious for that bullshit, and they took it to a new level, but they went into the game looking to take shots.

There is no doubt he raises the level of play for the whole team. NO ONE - esp coughlin and Eli want that toned down or stopped.. The point is to be aware that this is happening and to adjust. additionally he can't cost his team re: penalties.

I love that he doesn't back down. and I LOVE that he and the young Giants REFUSE TO BE INTIMIDATED. This will serve them well in the future.

I do have a problem with the inconsistency of the officiating. He has been danciing like that for weeks and now it is taunting. horse shit. I think Fisher might have "prepped" those refs with that flag, cause it went down fast with no real cause.

I'm old school. I like the Barry Sanders TD celebration, but that is not the game, or this generation. I have no problem with the dance as long as it doesn't draw a foul...which it shouldn't have

with the Joe Horn/Randy Moss crap from a decade ago. That crap has no place in the game.

What Beckham did was 100% fine. He was jarring back and forth with the CB all game, which happens to just about every WR in the NFL. This just happened to blow up due to cheap shots.

There's no chance in hell I want Beckham to tone it down. Anyone who does is crazy. You can't ask these guys to be lights out all the time with 100% focus on being the best they can and not take some of the very small side effects with it.

that there is absolutely no reason to do that stuff. I prefer the old hand the ball to the official, act like you've been there before, professional behavior. That said, I understand the enthusiasm, emotion, etc. But no penalty flag was ever thrown for displays of celebration such as throwing your hands in the air, jumping up and down, yelling to the sky, high fiving teammates, etc. The problems come with those choreographed, exaggerated silly in your face displays. And even if you feel un-fulfilled unless you dance, do it on the sidelines. POf course, then you wouldn't be rubbing your opponents face in it and maybe the TV cameras might miss it. Its just flat out "look at me" crap.

overblown.

But not because he is too far over any line but rather because they look dumb.

Personally I prefer when a player acts like he has been there before and doesn't feel the need to celebrate so much. However if a player needs that in order to get up for his A game I don't want to stifle him from doing his thing as long as it doesn't go too far.

before we get 100 more posts all saying the same thing as the first 15 say, who said he should tone it down?

No one?

the Rams?

In comment 12049070 pjcas18 said:

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before we get 100 more posts all saying the same thing as the first 15 say, who said he should tone it down? No one? the Rams?

TC said it

said he should tone it down

In comment 12049070 pjcas18 said:

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before we get 100 more posts all saying the same thing as the first 15 say, who said he should tone it down? No one? the Rams?

Post game press conferences asking the question to TC and Beckham.
Columnists.
Users on BBI.

If Beckham played for the Eagles he'd be motherfucked all over BBI just like Desean Jackson was or Dez Bryant is now.

I think Beckham would be well advised to tone it down if for no other reason than he looks kind of dumb doing his dances. Other than that who gives a shit. Just keep playing well.

But he'd be ripped on BBI if he pulled the same shit on another team. No doubt about it.

There have been a few articles from the beat writers about it. There was one article written about it prior to the Rams game.

TC and Eli should pray to God he is on our team...

What Beckham or Dez do. They don't taunt the team. They celebrate in the end zone. DeSean was different. He would go back peddling into the end zone. Waving at the other team. He's a POS on the field. Dez & Odell are not.

Fisher, Williams are just too douchebags coaching a bunch of classless fucks

I don't think what Beckham did falls into either. He spins the ball and dances for a second. That is hardly taunting. not only do I not think it is a penalty, I don't think it is something that really needs to be addressed.

The Rams were clearly targeting Beckham. Their Head Coach and DC both have histories of coaching very dirty teams using very dirty tactics. They were trying to hurt Beckham. There should certainly be fines for a number of players in the scrum on the sidelines. But, between the hit that incited it and the attempted hit on Beckham that ended up injuring a Rams player, plus the history of Williams and the history of Fisher, the league should be seriously looking at stiff fines for the Rams players and coaches.

for Cruz to tone it down and he did the salsa once he started scoring. So not sure why other NFL players are butt hurt that OBJ is doing that.

What happened to the adage, if you want him to stop celebrating, then keep him out of the end zone.

but I'm sorry he needs to tone it down. It's not about him being "targeted" either. I always thought that was nonsense any way. Desean Jackson has been acting like a horse's ass for almost a decade and nobody has been able to knock him out. Same for TO. defenders throw tough hits all the time no matter what you do. I just think it's getting a little out of hand. He doesn't need to start celebrating on the 10 yard line, and he doesn't need to jaw with the defenders every play. I'm fine with endzone celebrations. Not my personal cup of tea, but I definitely get that it is for other people and some of the shit these guys do really is funny.

Because he is a rookie, every DB will have years of facing him so they want to get it into Beckham's head that he, the DB, is better than Beckham. So every DB is going to do everything possible to win the times he is matched up against Beckham. No DB wants to say (at admit), "OBJ owns me". So the first time around, they have to challenge him as much as possible even if it means cheap shots and 15 yard flags.

i don't think what OBJ did was intentionally malicious

he did his typical celebration
but the defender was still close to him
and then OBJ glance up and made eye contact with the defender as he was celebrating

that is when they threw the penalty

before, and he wasn't flagged the week before. The refs just need to be consistent in what is a penalty and what isn't. Beckham wasn't trying to show up anyone, he does his thing quickly and then gets going. JPP and Osi would celebrate a sack, this is the same thing. If you are kicking ass, you can do a little celebration and if it's getting into the defensive players heads, than that's advantage Beckham and the Giants. Their obsession with lighting him up is what led to that safety biting and the Giants hitting an 80 yard td.

Brandon Jacobs! That is funny! He took a light bulb from the clock!

best TD celebrations.

should not be a penalty, unless he did it right in front of the DB as a perceived taunt, which I'm not sure he did. I do think he was yapping at McDonald after the TD and that is maybe what they called. I might be wrong.

That said, he talks too much. He is for ever jawing and chirping at the opposing DB, that is what gets you in trouble. Breeland got caught last week when they were exchanging pleasantries with each other and it could have been Beckham that got the 15 yds, he said it after the game.

I think that if they called him for the ball spinning, then the refs should be called on the carpet. If it was the talking, then he needs to stop.

If Eli is saying he needs to tone it down, then maybe we should believe Eli.

and some claim that they say he made about breaking a record against them.

That D was getting a ton of press about how great they were, To them there was no way a rookie was going to come into their house and play well. When ODB took over that game and they realized early on they had nothing to stop him with, the frustration took hold.

Rookies are not supposed to be able to what he does

then why is Cruz allowed to do the salsa?

That's why I think his stuff isn't overdone.

But then again, I don't care about any of that stuff. I just don't think anything justifies cheap shots and why change your style for one team - a Fisher-coached one.

...what I find interesting is that no one ever slams the defense for retaliating in these situations! The focus is never on say the Rams for being dirty, poor losers for trying to hurt a player like Odell who is having success. It goes back to when the Fun Bunch (if my memory serves me correctly) of the Washington Football Team used to always celebrate together in the end zone and one game the Cowturds got upset and tried to break it up and a fight ensued. The NFL tried to tone down the celebrations. But for me it has taken some of the fun out of it. One of the things I hate about college football is that as soon as a player scores, the referees immediately turn into the no celebration police! The refs instantly are watching how the players act once they cross the goalline smh!

Personally I like the celebrations. Some are very entertaining and others not so much. Those things can be entertaining and I love how Odell answered the questions in the presser, he is simply having fun out there. Not trying to make the opponent look bad, but enjoying the moment! Yet people want to say, if you score act like you've been there before. So you can't enjoy doing it over and over again? So what if it's your one and only touchdown for the year...who doesn't like seeing Hynoski do his crazy dance once a year?!

Additionally, I hate how other players try to mock others that do have "signature" celebratory moves/dances. Like when someone sacks Rodgers and then does the championship belt thing...come on man be original!

Maybe its what I was used to. Playing sports and growing up in the 80s, there was more showboating and trash talking on the hard court and football field. But you had to go out there and make them pay for it. If not, they were gonna keep coming at you.

I'd want the same if the shoe were on the other foot and so would everyone here. It's the reason that Dave Brown's hit on Deion Sanders is remembered so fondly.

look what happened to him

the guy absoluteky dominated them physically, mentally and emotionally

he took them out of their game and still dominated them.

it caused them to head hunt, take penalties, get guys ejected, etc

this is to our advantage and was yesterday

i do not see what anyone would want to take this away from Odell.

the guy talks th talk and can walk the walk. its rare and it shouldnt be stomped out. its worth the occassional 15 yards.

the rams looked like fools out there yesterday

And one official was laughing. Very confusing league sometimes.

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how after his 80 yard TD, he spun the ball but then made a point to retrieve it and hand it to the ref?

Maybe a small deference to what TC is telling him...

He's so passionate about making plays and winning, that he comes off as a hot dog. Personally, I can do without that stuff, but if it works for him I won't complain. I just don't want him to keep being penalized.

In comment 12049232 Overseer said:

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how after his 80 yard TD, he spun the ball but then made a point to retrieve it and hand it to the ref? Maybe a small deference to what TC is telling him...

That was a sarcastic gesture

In comment 12049093 Go Terps said:

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If Beckham played for the Eagles he'd be motherfucked all over BBI just like Desean Jackson was or Dez Bryant is now. I think Beckham would be well advised to tone it down if for no other reason than he looks kind of dumb doing his dances. Other than that who gives a shit. Just keep playing well. But he'd be ripped on BBI if he pulled the same shit on another team. No doubt about it.

I don't hate Maclin, and I don't hate Dez. I absolutely had Desean but that's more because he's a POS human being.

it was sarcastic and an NBA official would have given him a technical. Since they hate being showed up.

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but I'm sorry he needs to tone it down. It's not about him being "targeted" either. I always thought that was nonsense any way. Desean Jackson has been acting like a horse's ass for almost a decade and nobody has been able to knock him out. Same for TO. defenders throw tough hits all the time no matter what you do. I just think it's getting a little out of hand. He doesn't need to start celebrating on the 10 yard line, and he doesn't need to jaw with the defenders every play. I'm fine with endzone celebrations. Not my personal cup of tea, but I definitely get that it is for other people and some of the shit these guys do really is funny.

Please give me a freaking break you can't even begin to compare Desean Jackson to OBJ.

Tell me when was the last time OBJ mocked a player/team BEFORE he got into the end zone? He hasn't even mocked a team AFTER!

Has OBJ like an idiot lost a sure touchdown because he wanted to celebrate before he got into the end zone? No,. Stop the idiotic comparisons.

In comment 12049225 Mason said:

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And one official was laughing. Very confusing league sometimes.

It's not confusing. Beckham wasn't flagged for spinning the ball.

Flew over my head if so. I thought he did his spin but then was like "shit, coach wants me to chill with this..."

Oh well.

And I'm not gonna bitch if he gets injured because of it.

That was why he got flagged for taunting. If he had just spun it celebrating he would not have gotten that call