Jeff Fisher Presser

Scumbags from the Buddy Ryan coaching tree. Posses me off that Williams wasn't banned for life.

nothing very controversial there. He didn't refer to headhunting. Mentioned he'd heard that Beckham had said something about setting an NFL record. Anish has it right above but only the first sentence is from Fisher.

Did he not? So that's probably what he was referring to, and guess what? He succeeded.

So Fisher and Williams and the rest of those Buddy Ryan assholes can go cry in their sleep.

Beckham is a very good player and will be a handful for teams to deal with for years to come. He said he and Eli are on the same page and working well.

of the Giants - particularly Eli, Beckham, and the offense.

and in general just said they got beat.

I don't know how people turn this into some major negative.

that Beckham had said something about setting an NFL record. Pretty sure the NY media would have been all over that.

I'm guessing that Fisher or his scumbag DC made that up.

Q: why was the defense irritated with Beckham?

A: I was told by my defensive players that Beckham was saying he was going to set an NFL record, so... Ya know ...

I want them taking that personally as well. As a Giants fan, clearly OBJ was in their heads and it caused them to do things that they shouldn't have done and it hurt their chances of winning so I can't complain. That scrum should have resulted in the Rams losing more players and yards, but it didn't.

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I want them taking that personally as well. As a Giants fan, clearly OBJ was in their heads and it caused them to do things that they shouldn't have done and it hurt their chances of winning so I can't complain. That scrum should have resulted in the Rams losing more players and yards, but it didn't.

It should've hurt them a lot more than it did. Ogletree should've been tossed and they should've had at least one other personal foul called against them. Morelli's crew was disgraceful.

Ask the questions when we want them to be asked -- how ridiculous is that. They stir the pot when there's nothing to stir... Yet now the turd is clearly there and they won't touch it

it ended up hurting us more, but it shouldn't have. It also lit a fire in both teams a$$es, but we were smarter and able to channel that into a fire that helped us. They went over the line and took out their own player!

But you can ask Beckham if he actually did say those things pregame. To what extent he talked trash. To me the punishment doesn't fit the crime if all there is what's on the field in terms of celebrating. There's more to this just because it's Greg Williams

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it ended up hurting us more, but it shouldn't have. It also lit a fire in both teams a$$es, but we were smarter and able to channel that into a fire that helped us. They went over the line and took out their own player!

Yea, I was wondering if McDonald was still thinking about his hit on the next play...

I remember when we played the Bills and their explosive offense in the Super Bowl our guys punishing their receivers into submission in order to take them out of their game and we Giant fans loved it. Targeting and punishing an offenses best weapon is as old as dirt.

In comment 12049358 mattlawson said:

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But you can ask Beckham if he actually did say those things pregame. To what extent he talked trash. To me the punishment doesn't fit the crime if all there is what's on the field in terms of celebrating. There's more to this just because it's Greg Williams

Beckham has admitted that he likes to mix it up with the players he faces. I have no doubt he said something along those lines and have no problem with him doing that.

In comment 12049388 steve in ky said:

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I remember when we played the Bills and their explosive offense in the Super Bowl our guys punishing their receivers into submission in order to take them out of their game and we Giant fans loved it. Targeting and punishing an offenses best weapon is as old as dirt.

Punishing them within the rules is one thing. The McDonald fail and the late hits out of bounds are ridiculous. I blame most of those on incompetent officiating though. They lost control of that game early.

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In comment 12049388 steve in ky said: Quote: I remember when we played the Bills and their explosive offense in the Super Bowl our guys punishing their receivers into submission in order to take them out of their game and we Giant fans loved it. Targeting and punishing an offenses best weapon is as old as dirt. Punishing them within the rules is one thing. The McDonald fail and the late hits out of bounds are ridiculous. I blame most of those on incompetent officiating though. They lost control of that game early.

Yeah for some reason Odell isn't quite getting star treatment (protection) yet from the officials. That will come soon enough I assume.

Who is legit one of the worst officials and best cases for forced retirement I can think of.

I'm not sure "star" treatment really exists in the NFL. But he got scrub treatment yesterday. It's pathetic how many late hits he took when the NFL claims to be focusing on player safety...

I think certain receivers garner more calls for ticky-tac infractions than most other do.

though on second thought, I do think some elite CBs (Revis/Sherman) get away with extra contact.

I just think some stars get calls based on their reputations.

That was 25 years ago, it's a different game now. The rules don't allow that sort of play anymore.

They were playing dirty yesterday.

The first thing I said in my post was I didn't agree with the cheap shots. My point is teams targeting an offenses most explosive player in an attempt to inflict as much punishment as possible has been part of the NFL forever. I don't care for the dirty hits but the idea of physically imposing your will on an offensive threat in order to take him out of his game is fair game.

but that's not what was happening last night. I think everybody is talking about the "dirty play" is referring to the numerous cheap shots, not the physical style of play. I'm all for physical style of defense.

I think that could have been the driving force behind their behavior yesterday. Knowing he's the only real threat, ande yet they were unable to stop him, that must have drove them crazy.

I'm sure Gregg Williams harped on that all week long, stop him and you stop the Giants, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was him who brought up the OBJ record and told something along the line of not going to happen to us, not on our turf. The same sick son of a bitch who said told his defense "Kill the head, and the body will die... We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head"... playing the niners a week after Gore was concussed.

^^^^^^

I don't remember what it was. He definitely set the team TD record for a rookie, but I think there was an NFL rookie record that he set.

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I don't remember what it was. He definitely set the team TD record for a rookie, but I think there was an NFL rookie record that he set.

3 straight games with 130+ yards and at least 1 TD?

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In comment 12049551 BlackLight said: Quote: I don't remember what it was. He definitely set the team TD record for a rookie, but I think there was an NFL rookie record that he set. 3 straight games with 130+ yards and at least 1 TD?

Might have been that. That stat does ring a bell.

but they have to warn their players about the cheap shots when they play a Fisher team. There appears to be denial or just a lot of ass kissing.

"Fisher coached teams that have been referred to as aggressive, edgy, chippy and dirty." - Jeff Fisher Wikipedia page. Enough said.

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Beckham has eight consecutive games with 90-plus receiving yards; the NFL record is nine, set by Michael Irvin in 1995. … Beckham now has 79 receptions to set a Giants rookie record. TE Jeremy Shockey had 74 catches in 2002. Beckham is the first player in NFL history to have 75 receptions in the first 11 games of his career. Beckham, with two touchdowns, set a Giants rookie record for TD receptions with 11. The Giants’ rookie record for total touchdowns is 12 by Bill Paschal in 1943.

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Off of Fischer's face.

McDonald hit Beckham late out of bounds but did not get called. He was yapping at Beckham all game. Two plays after the late hit Beckham catches TD - beat McDonald BAD - and spins ball. Don't dish it if you can't take it. The play that McDonald launched himself at Beckham after the ball was by him was extremely dirty and reckless and ended up injuring one of his own players.

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but they have to warn their players about the cheap shots when they play a Fisher team. There appears to be denial or just a lot of ass kissing. "Fisher coached teams that have been referred to as aggressive, edgy, chippy and dirty." - Jeff Fisher Wikipedia page. Enough said.

Maybe everyone's just scared Fisher will have someone take out their knees...

In comment 12049460 Britt in VA said:

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That was 25 years ago, it's a different game now. The rules don't allow that sort of play anymore. They were playing dirty yesterday.

Yea, watching that game today would shock most younger fans. Collins would have been ejected and OJ would have been flagged for his epic stiff arms..

In comment 12049326 Peter from CT said:

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that Beckham had said something about setting an NFL record. Pretty sure the NY media would have been all over that. I'm guessing that Fisher or his scumbag DC made that up.

I'm pretty fucking sure the NY media was saying all week he was going to set some records this weekend. Or did we all forget that? was all over the papers all week. This thread is some disingenuous bullshit.Collective memory Loss?
everyone knows damn well was the Media saying it, not any players, including Fisher.He knows no Giants said it, also knows it was said.He's being cutesy playing stupid, just like this forum is on this issue.Evdry swinging Dick and his brother knew Beckham was gonna set records this weekend, and he did.Don't pretend like noone said it, it just wasn't anyone from the team.They're scumbags anyway.....

He spent much of the day reading the names on the back of the Giants players jerseys as they crossed the goal line.

In comment 12049490 steve in ky said:

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The first thing I said in my post was I didn't agree with the cheap shots. My point is teams targeting an offenses most explosive player in an attempt to inflict as much punishment as possible has been part of the NFL forever. I don't care for the dirty hits but the idea of physically imposing your will on an offensive threat in order to take him out of his game is fair game.

Yeah, but the "launching" episode was clearly designed to injure. It's justice that OBJ matadored it and one of the Rams own suffered.

In comment 12049855 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 12049326 Peter from CT said: Quote: that Beckham had said something about setting an NFL record. Pretty sure the NY media would have been all over that. I'm guessing that Fisher or his scumbag DC made that up. I'm pretty fucking sure the NY media was saying all week he was going to set some records this weekend. Or did we all forget that? was all over the papers all week. This thread is some disingenuous bullshit.Collective memory Loss? everyone knows damn well was the Media saying it, not any players, including Fisher.He knows no Giants said it, also knows it was said.He's being cutesy playing stupid, just like this forum is on this issue.Evdry swinging Dick and his brother knew Beckham was gonna set records this weekend, and he did.Don't pretend like noone said it, it just wasn't anyone from the team.They're scumbags anyway.....

Did Beckham say it is the question, not whether the press said it.

has been all about team. I doubt he said anything about any records unless media asked him and he decided to answer it and even then he wouldn't have said anything with an antagonizing edge to it.

Fisher is a cockhead and I now actively root against the franchise.

In comment 12049954 BMac said:

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In comment 12049490 steve in ky said: Quote: The first thing I said in my post was I didn't agree with the cheap shots. My point is teams targeting an offenses most explosive player in an attempt to inflict as much punishment as possible has been part of the NFL forever. I don't care for the dirty hits but the idea of physically imposing your will on an offensive threat in order to take him out of his game is fair game. Yeah, but the "launching" episode was clearly designed to injure. It's justice that OBJ matadored it and one of the Rams own suffered.

Then I guess we agree that there is not place for cheap shots.

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In comment 12049954 BMac said: Quote: In comment 12049490 steve in ky said: Quote: The first thing I said in my post was I didn't agree with the cheap shots. My point is teams targeting an offenses most explosive player in an attempt to inflict as much punishment as possible has been part of the NFL forever. I don't care for the dirty hits but the idea of physically imposing your will on an offensive threat in order to take him out of his game is fair game. Yeah, but the "launching" episode was clearly designed to injure. It's justice that OBJ matadored it and one of the Rams own suffered. Then I guess we agree that there is not place for cheap shots.

Wasn't the point of this whole thread though, cheap shots, late hits out of bounds, hitting a defenseless receiver, launching at a guy who doesn't have the ball, etc?

Not playing hard?

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has been all about team. I doubt he said anything about any records unless media asked him and he decided to answer it and even then he wouldn't have said anything with an antagonizing edge to it. Fisher is a cockhead and I now actively root against the franchise.

I don't mean this in a bad way, but I have a strong suspicion that the OBJ we see in interviews is vastly different than the OBJ that opponents face on the field.

I can easily see him going up to DBs in pre game warm ups and telling them he is going to set records against them today.

In the OP it addresses the idea about the defense trying to "take him out" My posts were drawing the distinction of how in the NFL teams have done that for years and I don't really have a problem with it as long as they are clean hits.

I just watched his interview, basically said beckham is the only thing the offense has. Oh really asshole? What about the 2x super bowl MVP QB who lit you fuckers up for almost 400 yards? What about williams who trucked your safety? Even randle made them look silly yesterday. All the talk of the rams having some vaunted defense was bullshit and im glad we exposed them for what they are.

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I just watched his interview, basically said beckham is the only thing the offense has. Oh really asshole? What about the 2x super bowl MVP QB who lit you fuckers up for almost 400 yards? What about williams who trucked your safety? Even randle made them look silly yesterday. All the talk of the rams having some vaunted defense was bullshit and im glad we exposed them for what they are.

This dude and the Redskins DB that got torched all game long should get together until their periods align. Fucking pussies.

So the Rams let one guy score 37 pts?

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I just watched his interview, basically said beckham is the only thing the offense has. Oh really asshole? What about the 2x super bowl MVP QB who lit you fuckers up for almost 400 yards? What about williams who trucked your safety? Even randle made them look silly yesterday. All the talk of the rams having some vaunted defense was bullshit and im glad we exposed them for what they are.

I see other fans saying that too. I mean, Beckham IS the only legitimate threat the Giants have, but shouldn't that make containing him that much simpler? Yet these defenses can't do it; McDonald, a guy who pledged this on his own word, could not do it.