TC and Drafting.

I know Pugh and Kiwi (Snee?), but who else? TIA

Cuse
Bromley
Pugh
Nassib

BC
Williams
Kiwi
Snee

Might have left some out but really not that many players for a 10 year span

Snee, Nassib, Tyree, Williams, Bromley,

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push them to hire a certain type of GM,someone who is in line with those values.

And the beliefs and values of that GM drive to hire a certain type of head coach and a scouting staff that reflect those values.

And maybe those beliefs and values are a part of their drafting methods.

And maybe certain colleges tend to bring in players with those values and beliefs and are more likely to be drafted by the Giants.

since he's been targeted by many here on BBI ...rightfully so in the correct context.

In comment 12049356 Stufftherun said:

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since he's been targeted by many here on BBI ...rightfully so in the correct context.

not drafted

just that among them are that many high picks. But my suspicion is that Coughlin still has lines open with those institutions and has a level of confidence with what he is told.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but could explain why players like Bromley and Pugh get taken higher than some draftniks think they'll go. Or why the Giants take Nassib when so many other teams passed on him up until that point.

Have Cuse and BC been "powerhouses"?

I think those schools have reps of having smart, high-character programs and kids, in addition to some being good athletes/players. But I do think they over-rely on those two schools. Snee is the only guy who jumps out as even being worthy of his pick.

You can add LSU to list of highly represented schools, if not overly rep'd.

In comment 12049359 Blue Baller said:

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In comment 12049356 Stufftherun said: Quote: since he's been targeted by many here on BBI ...rightfully so in the correct context. not drafted

Looked right past that, I stand corrected. You might however consider him in the sense of a somewhat controversial roster spot which may be a component of a seemingly implied TC influence. Just a thought anyway.

In comment 12049335 Blue Baller said:

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Cuse Bromley Pugh Nassib BC Williams Kiwi Snee Might have left some out but really not that many players for a 10 year span

Seems like the connections have paid off then. Snee was a beast. Kiwi, while unspectacular, was a solid contributor to 2 SBs. He shouldn't have been starting this year, but he was a solid pick who likely would've been better if it wasn't for the injuries.

The other 4...to early to tell, but Pugh looks like a solid OT. His much improved play the last few games and solid play last year is convincing me he was playing injured early this year. Williams looks like a very good pick for the 4th and Bromley has flashed (albeit briefly).

I definitely wouldn't consider any of those guys "busts".

In comment 12049364 TC said:

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just that among them are that many high picks. But my suspicion is that Coughlin still has lines open with those institutions and has a level of confidence with what he is told. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but could explain why players like Bromley and Pugh get taken higher than some draftniks think they'll go. Or why the Giants take Nassib when so many other teams passed on him up until that point.

I disagree that Pugh was a reach. Mayock was drooling over the pick at the time. And Pugh has looked much better since returning from injury. Couple that with his play from last year (arguably the best of the rookie OTs) and it's looking like a solid pick.

And Kiwi's last 2 seasons notwithstanding, he was a good player for the Giants.

to know from an insider how much say coughlin has in who the giants draft and sign as he is certainly involved. is his opinion given more of less than 50%?

and just as obviously, the Giants would rely on his connections at Syracuse and BC. College coaches have to promote their players publicly but in private they can convey who they think has what it takes to be in the NFL. Of course, you would use that inside info.

Why wouldn't you take advantage of Coughlin's experience and connections? The guy has been involved with football for 50 years

who deny Coughlin has influence on the draft


When you hear Coughlin talk about picks right after the draft, he is obviously very familiar with the players.

I don't know about the Syracuse connection but I think there is a connection with Mara family and Boston College.

You may continue to see Boston College players as Gilbride unofficially scouts New England area.

Drafting from both schools also may have something to do with proximity. How many players has Buffalo signed from Syracuse before the current coach arrived?

How many players has New England signed from Boston College?

Nfl net giants 4 part
special its clear that scouts
pick players and reese free
agents. I think draft picks
are much betyer than free
agents. I think tc has little
ir no say. Why isnt bromley
playing?

Seems there was pretty strong consensus across the board on Beckham, Richburg, and Williams. Opinions were divided around Bromley, and drafting either Berhe or Kennard who both got drafted anyway. If i remember correctly Bromley seemed like a guy Ross really liked and pushed for over Williams who fell to them anyway.

Reese and Coughlin completely deferred to Ross/scouting dept on their player evaluations but had strong opinions on how they wanted to shape the roster(ie high character, team captains, high college productivity, prototypical physical size for the position, etc.) John Mara had as much input as Reese and Coughlin in green lighting every decision, which really surprised me. Did not realize how influential he was in personnel decisions behind the scenes. Like a very modest and much smarter Jerry Jones.

In comment 12050088 Jupiter said:

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I don't know about the Syracuse connection but I think there is a connection with Mara family and Boston College. You may continue to see Boston College players as Gilbride unofficially scouts New England area. Drafting from both schools also may have something to do with proximity. How many players has Buffalo signed from Syracuse before the current coach arrived? How many players has New England signed from Boston College?

Ummmmm. John Mara went to BC. Coughlin went to Syracuse.

you can get a little insight into how the giants make decisions. They rely heavily on the scouts and then Ross and then Mara and Coughlin and then it's on Reese to make the final decision if the room is split. Coughlin doesn't have too much of an influence in the draft so therefore he shouldn't get much of the blame. He's involved and has some input, but his job is to develop young players and he does that well.

was the show, not Scouts.