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Preston Parker

ColHowPepper : 12/22/2014 2:56 pm
That was a surprising result and fun game to watch against a Rams defense that supposed to be a shutdown. Not surprising is that most of the post-game threads are about OBJ, Eli, and the Rams Headhunter, I mean headhunting, and deservedly so about Giants' phenomenal rookie, Eli's very good day, RR's very good day. There's another player who deserves props, although he didn't see that many snaps yesterday.

Preston Parker's role with this team this year I think has been way, way underestimated and underrated. It's popular on BBI to diss him as "at best a 4th WR" who adds nothing to the passing game. Folks pointed at "underrunning his route" on Eli's bad overthrow a few games back (when it was pretty clear it was a badly thrown ball, two yards deeper in his route or not).

I disagree strongly with these views: He doesn't have elite speed or size, he just consistently makes plays. No, Preston Parker hasn't done much, he's only given the Giants:

- the strongest, most consistent, balls to the wall KOR presence they've had in years (DW fumbled and was more of a long threat, but didn't have this consistency)
- an edginess on O, a "don't tread on me" attitude (along with OBJ), that has given the offense a chip, a nastiness that the O hasn't had in many years because of the Giants' tendency to draft/bring in' lily white (non-racial) good guys
- a consistent, sure-handed slot or WR look with tough YAC, and (notwithstanding the alleged short route) reliable route runner
- a teammate who doesn't hesitate to have his mates' backs

At the time of the OBJ out of bounds attack he led the offensive players who were on the field in defending OBJ and attacking the attackers, taking no shit from Gregg Williams' assassins. He's not and never will be a superstar, but a team doesn't need to have superstars at every position; he's one of those lunchpail guys who makes plays and is key to chemistry.

I love this kid being on the Giants, and I think McAdoo does too.
Certainly a solid slot  
giantgiantfan : 12/22/2014 3:00 pm : link
receiver. He's overlooked because ODB is setting the league on fire.
You could've just summed it up with this  
GIANTSr01 : 12/22/2014 3:00 pm : link
- a teammate who doesn't hesitate to have his mates' backs

He earned his roster spot yesterday and I hope he is retained as the KR/4th WR next season.
Agreed with most, but had to correct you on David Wilson  
David in LA : 12/22/2014 3:02 pm : link
Wilson's a much more dynamic KOR, came very close to breaking several more for long scores. I don't recall him ever having fumbling issues in the return department.
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LedHeded : 12/22/2014 3:02 pm : link
even before the brawl, i made a comment to my friend that I like Parker because he looks mean & is all business all the time & simply has a "don't start none, don't be none" attitude
Actually...  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 3:02 pm : link
Both announcers were talking very highly of Parker yesterday. They even mentioned how much of a hardworker he is because of his time outside of the league when he did "odd jobs."

I think he's been more than a decent backup receiver for us. He's definitely been reliable (for the most part besides that one game with all those drops) and a great team player.
would not say he is "sure handed"  
Mike in NY : 12/22/2014 3:03 pm : link
As he is prone to streaks of drops. It seems like his hands are either really good or really poor so it is not like he will have one drop and shake it off right away
Parker became a NY Giant  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 3:03 pm : link
keeper to me yesterday
I like parker  
dancing blue bear : 12/22/2014 3:04 pm : link
he's tough and gritty and mostly gets his job done. I have no problem with him coming to camp, and think he has a good chance to make the team. and he does and will contribute.

However, getting thrown out of a game is not praise worthy. He is an Offensive starter, and has a respnsibility to the team. he lost his head and got thrown out. just not smart.

I like that this team won't be intimidated and has some fire, but they were all warned (Im sure) what STL was gonna do and try to do. You gotta be smarter than that.
lol - "taking no shit from Gregg Williams' assassins"  
Del Shofner : 12/22/2014 3:04 pm : link
True. Before PP was ejected, the announcers also commented on his good blocking.
RE: Actually...  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/22/2014 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12049688 RC02XX said:
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Both announcers were talking very highly of Parker yesterday. They even mentioned how much of a hardworker he is because of his time outside of the league when he did "odd jobs."

I think he's been more than a decent backup receiver for us. He's definitely been reliable (for the most part besides that one game with all those drops) and a great team player.


If his role was as a 4th or 5th WR and special teams ace in the mold of Tyree or Willie Ponder, he could serve a very valuable role on this club going forward.

Any team that has Preston Parker  
Rob in NYC : 12/22/2014 3:08 pm : link
in their top three likely isn't a very good team. He is the kind of guy that needs to earn his roster spot every year - poor route runner and body catches everything.

Technically, he has about 2x as many catches this year, if you count the times he has caught it off his chest.

Its a spot that needs to be upgraded.
He seems like a decent returner / low end receiver.  
Mad Mike : 12/22/2014 3:09 pm : link
I wouldn't be disappointed to see him on the roster next year, but I wouldn't consider it a positive if he's very high on the WR depth chart. And I don't think the fact that he threw a punch yesterday should have any bearing on roster decisions next year.
RE: I like parker  
GIANTSr01 : 12/22/2014 3:09 pm : link
In comment 12049692 dancing blue bear said:
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he's tough and gritty and mostly gets his job done. I have no problem with him coming to camp, and think he has a good chance to make the team. and he does and will contribute.

However, getting thrown out of a game is not praise worthy. He is an Offensive starter, and has a respnsibility to the team. he lost his head and got thrown out. just not smart.

I like that this team won't be intimidated and has some fire, but they were all warned (Im sure) what STL was gonna do and try to do. You gotta be smarter than that.


He's a "starter" due to injuries. Standing up and protecting his star teammate who had taken multiple cheap shots at that point is absolutely praiseworthy.
Ultimately, he is a 4/5 WR and special teamer  
JonC : 12/22/2014 3:10 pm : link
He is prone to some drops, and mental mistakes really need to be cleaned up.

While it was good to see NYG finally take their aggression up a couple levels and play with a chip on their shoulder, the demonstrative stuff and the histrionics often leads to damaging penalties. Thus, the coach saying Beckham needs to clean up some of the histrionics moving forward. There's really no debate on that front, even though many fans would prefer to look past it.

I like him too but he's still going to be just the 4WR on this team  
JohnB : 12/22/2014 3:11 pm : link
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He's definitely a Coughlin guy.  
Curtis in VA : 12/22/2014 3:15 pm : link
Hard worker. Tough. Team player. Helps on special teams and can come in to play WR in a pinch, temporarily.
RE: I like him too but he's still going to be just the 4WR on this team  
Curtis in VA : 12/22/2014 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12049715 JohnB said:
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As he should be.
RE: I like him too but he's still going to be just the 4WR on this team  
RC02XX : 12/22/2014 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12049715 JohnB said:
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If Cruz and Jernigan didn't get hurt, Parker would be #5 on the depth chart. The fact that he's a #3 is solely due to injuries. I'll take him as the #5 any day.
yah, I get the perspective that he's rated as a  
ColHowPepper : 12/22/2014 3:21 pm : link
4th or 5th WR/slot guy. If you have three, or four studs ahead of him, OBJ, Cruz, Randle (?) and xxx, how do you pay all those guys under the cap? That's an invitation to Reese's fatal flaws in overloading a roster cap-wise at one position and leaving the team naked at others. Yah, would he be starting if Cruz were healthy? No. But he would be getting reps, because.....guys go down, injuries. Parker has stayed on the field (until yesterday).

The value added at ST, slot, WR and field and locker room presence is very, very significant.
RE: Ultimately, he is a 4/5 WR and special teamer  
ColHowPepper : 12/22/2014 3:25 pm : link
In comment 12049712 JonC said:
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He is prone to some drops, and mental mistakes really need to be cleaned up.

While it was good to see NYG finally take their aggression up a couple levels and play with a chip on their shoulder, the demonstrative stuff and the histrionics often leads to damaging penalties. Thus, the coach saying Beckham needs to clean up some of the histrionics moving forward. There's really no debate on that front, even though many fans would prefer to look past it.


Jon, in the main, I agree. But I really think Headhunter's perspective is the better one: in a game meaningless to the Giants' post-season, as the team has none, Parker and OBJ gave the team some long, long needed personality and identity. I think TC had to be very pleased with that, part of the reason he didn't want to delve into the "has no place in the game" behavior.

This was, imo, very good for the team, some spine, some fight, some nastiness.
I take Parker over JJ all day, all year long  
ColHowPepper : 12/22/2014 3:26 pm : link
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And his 2015 cap hit is $660,000  
njm : 12/22/2014 3:29 pm : link
This guy's a keeper.
I like what we've seen from Parker...  
BamaBlue : 12/22/2014 3:33 pm : link
but I still wanted to see more from Washington this year. Washington seems to have the physical tools, but can't seem to get into the game.
RE: I take Parker over JJ all day, all year long  
Ira : 12/22/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12049753 ColHowPepper said:
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I agree. I'm hoping we sign/draft a better receiver to replace Randle and keep Parker as our 4th.
RE: RE: I take Parker over JJ all day, all year long  
GIANTSr01 : 12/22/2014 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12049769 Ira said:
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I agree. I'm hoping we sign/draft a better receiver to replace Randle and keep Parker as our 4th.


Randle will be back. He's got 1 year left at a reasonable cap hit and little cap savings. How far along Cruz is in his rehab when FA rolls around will significantly impact their plans. I think they likely grab a solid vet to compete with Cruz/Randle for the 2-4 WR spots. Parker likely the #5 and then guys like Washington + late round pick/UDFA competing in camp.
RE: RE: Ultimately, he is a 4/5 WR and special teamer  
JonC : 12/22/2014 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12049749 ColHowPepper said:
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He is prone to some drops, and mental mistakes really need to be cleaned up.

While it was good to see NYG finally take their aggression up a couple levels and play with a chip on their shoulder, the demonstrative stuff and the histrionics often leads to damaging penalties. Thus, the coach saying Beckham needs to clean up some of the histrionics moving forward. There's really no debate on that front, even though many fans would prefer to look past it.




Jon, in the main, I agree. But I really think Headhunter's perspective is the better one: in a game meaningless to the Giants' post-season, as the team has none, Parker and OBJ gave the team some long, long needed personality and identity. I think TC had to be very pleased with that, part of the reason he didn't want to delve into the "has no place in the game" behavior.

This was, imo, very good for the team, some spine, some fight, some nastiness.


CHP, with that I don't disagree, and it's likely why TC tossed the blame over the fence to the Rams sideline. Hopefully, they learn to walk the line because no football will consistently survive 12+ penalties and 150 yards.
He made the block that sprung Darkwa  
HomerJones45 : 12/22/2014 4:13 pm : link
he is in the Derek Hagan, David Tyree mold. Very useful guy to have on the roster. In this one season, he's contributed more than Barden and Jernigan did combined in their careers.
Jon  
ColHowPepper : 12/22/2014 4:19 pm : link
agreed, full stop. But, the Rams having thrown down the gauntlet, the Giants (OBJ and PP in the lead), didn't back down. In the game of football, you need that, fans need to see that. In a game with no consequence to the standings, they could afford to send a message and, imo, had to send a message. There will be a lot of DBs and defenses gunning for OBJ. He could do himself a favor by being a bit more understated, lol.

Jerrel Jernigan (this is not for you Jon, but for the poster who said PP wouldn't be starting were JJ and VC not on IR): really? A guy who is soft, always injured, has his own dropsies, who has been tried at KOR for years--the Giants REALLY wanted JJ to become the KOR guy--and he failed at all these chances. JJ, who would step up and have his teammates' back? That JJ? LOL

For a rational coaching staff, the only way JJ would make the team over a multi-mode contributor like PP is if its primary interest was to make the front office charged with picking him in the 3rd round look good.
RE: Any team that has Preston Parker  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/22/2014 4:28 pm : link
In comment 12049702 Rob in NYC said:
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in their top three likely isn't a very good team. He is the kind of guy that needs to earn his roster spot every year - poor route runner and body catches everything.

Technically, he has about 2x as many catches this year, if you count the times he has caught it off his chest.

Its a spot that needs to be upgraded.


He was never supposed to be anything more than. 4-6. Decimated by injuries he was forced up the ladder. And Id take him over Jernigan 7 days a week
I have to disagree with you on a few points  
Matt M. : 12/22/2014 4:28 pm : link
First, Wilson did not fumble as a KR and was much better and plenty consistent in that role. Parker has been consistently average, with a couple of decent returns mixed in. Second, how is he sure handed? He has dropped a number of passes.

Agree with this thread  
yungdeeks : 12/22/2014 4:29 pm : link
He's certainly not a stud and not someone you want to count on as a starter, but not every guy on the 53 needs to be a super star.

He has been above serviceable this year on ST and as a WR and while his snaps will likely go down to start next season, its great to know that you have someone on the bench who knows the system and has played reasonably well in it.

Loved the fact that he had Beckham's back yesterday -- wish him and Moore could have sustained from throwing punches and just gone with the the old rip the guys helmet off for 15 yards instead of suspension. Especially would have liked to have seen Damonstre get more reps given he seems to be a bigger part of the puzzle moving forward.
Glad you started this post  
jLefty : 12/22/2014 4:45 pm : link
Parker is a more than just a Tyree(god bless him). He's a bigtime receiver.
Man I can't beleive  
Jay in Toronto : 12/22/2014 5:02 pm : link
some of the hits he has taken.
you guys  
Mr. Nickels : 12/22/2014 5:13 pm : link
have short memories re: Jernigan. The last couple weeks of the season he killed it last year.
he had  
Mr. Nickels : 12/22/2014 5:15 pm : link
19 receptions (on 27 targets) for 237 yards and two touchdowns the final 3 weeks
If he showed that carry over this summer  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 5:20 pm : link
I'd look forward to him coming back. he didn't, I'm not
Parker has a long history of legal troubles  
oipolloi : 12/22/2014 5:21 pm : link
Freshman year: caught stealing a DVD player

Junior Year: arrested for carrying a concealed firearm and possession of marijuana

Senior Year: police found him along the road passed out behind the wheel of his car after a night of drinking and smoking dope.


The Giants should have done due diligence  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 5:24 pm : link
and checked out Parker before they signed him
RE: He made the block that sprung Darkwa  
Gmen703 : 12/22/2014 5:45 pm : link
In comment 12049854 HomerJones45 said:
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he is in the Derek Hagan, David Tyree mold. Very useful guy to have on the roster. In this one season, he's contributed more than Barden and Jernigan did combined in their careers.


Just took a look at this. That block had some nastiness behind it. Hines ward-esque. He just needs to improve on his consistency. Solid job otherwise.
RE: The Giants should have done due diligence  
Mad Mike : 12/22/2014 5:50 pm : link
In comment 12049969 Headhunter said:
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and checked out Parker before they signed him

Why would you assume they didn't?
HowPepper nailed it.  
Red Dog : 12/22/2014 6:03 pm : link
Keep him over JJ.
I've been high on him since the preseason  
mattlawson : 12/22/2014 6:08 pm : link
No he's not going to displace cruz, Beckham or Randall -- making him 4th best yes -- but he's a good WR that made the team for a reason.
RE: Parker has a long history of legal troubles  
mattlawson : 12/22/2014 6:09 pm : link
In comment 12049964 oipolloi said:
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Freshman year: caught stealing a DVD player

Junior Year: arrested for carrying a concealed firearm and possession of marijuana

Senior Year: police found him along the road passed out behind the wheel of his car after a night of drinking and smoking dope.




Dope you say?
RE: Parker has a long history of legal troubles  
ColHowPepper : 12/22/2014 6:51 pm : link
In comment 12049964 oipolloi said:
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Freshman year: caught stealing a DVD player

Junior Year: arrested for carrying a concealed firearm and possession of marijuana

Senior Year: police found him along the road passed out behind the wheel of his car after a night of drinking and smoking dope.


oipolloi, love you, man, because you know your football and not afraid to state an opinion, based on observation and logic, even if it's one some, many, or most disagree with, so:

"stealing a DVD player" - isn't that how Giants were able to draft Ahmad Bradshaw in the 6th Round. That pick is often used to demonstrate Reese's acumen, but fact of the matter is that it was a no-brainer. He's still one of my all-time favorite Giants (did you see his "heart" on the field in his last game this season before going, again, on IR?).

That is exactly what I mean when I refer to PP being a very desirable departure from the Giants' history of drafting lily white (non-racial) "good guys". You need a Parker in the locker room. Ok, concealed handgun (Plax--remember him), drunk behind the wheel...Christian Peter comes to mind, too. You need wahoos like LT, McConkey, Bradshaw, Archer, yeah, even Plax, who, we might recall, didn't come from the Steelers with exactly a pristine reputation.

I'm not trying to defend deviance or dangerous behavior, but BBI, comprising privileged folks who have the luxury of posting on an NFL team's message board, do many of us have a clue about the lives that many NFL players lived before being drafted or coming into the league as undrafted FAs?

Most of America does not live in a Mary Poppins, Jim Cramer, Jamie Dimon, George Bush, Michelle Obama, Tom Friedman, R&R (another Princeton guy) world of privilege (I know I'll regret penning this line). His "pedigree" at FSU precedes the immaculate Jameis Winston, who will cart off tens of millions when he signs his first pro contract.

Except I don't see any rape charges in that rap sheet, no battery, no assault, mostly crimes of youth and high spirits and bad judgement. The Giants need to lose their goodie two shoes persona, they'll be a lot more enjoyable to watch, as they were Sunday. The only thing PP did wrong was to protect the team's new most valuable asset.

And, oipolloi did a bit of crafty editing in Googling PP's past:
From Wiki:
"Throughout his career at Florida State, Parker gathered numerous charges. In November 2006, he was arrested after Tallahassee police said he tried to steal a DVD. He entered a diversionary program and the charge was later dismissed.[3] On April 2008, he was arrested and charged with carrying a concealed firearm (felony) and possession of marijuana (misdemeanor).[4][5]

On January 2009, Parker was arrested for DUI after police found him passed out behind the wheel of his car. His blood alcohol content was 0.054, which is well below the Florida legal limit of 0.08. Police said a urine sample was a "presumptive positive" for marijuana.Police also stated that Parker admitted to drinking alcohol and smoking marijuana the night before.[6] With this being his third arrest, he was dismissed from the team.[3] He finished his collegiate career at the University of North Alabama.

We know police don't target young black males. Again, I don't condone the behavior, but the kid is making good on the field and good for the team we root for.

And why wasn't McDonald (#52) ejected, as the first player to be sent off? Terrible judgement by the refs.
Parker has had off-the-field issues but that was 5 years ago  
Jupiter : 12/22/2014 7:11 pm : link
I think the year away from football when he actually had to work for a living did him a lot of good. He could have done something that was less honest.

He may not be a "good guy" yet but he isn't a criminal either.
Best  
wash88 : 12/22/2014 7:16 pm : link
Returner we had all year.
My sarcasm  
Headhunter : 12/22/2014 7:23 pm : link
doesn't shine through
I'm not a Parker fan ....  
Beer Man : 12/22/2014 7:45 pm : link
he's nothing special, drops far too many, and I agree with others who said if he is a starter then your team is in trouble.
He is a good 5th receiver  
DavidinBMNY : 12/22/2014 9:50 pm : link
He is like a Tyree type.
Parker  
Dragon : 12/23/2014 5:41 am : link
Has been a very good ST and emergency WR for this team but everything about him indicates nothing special for the future. He is not a great route runner, has decent size, limited speed and will be 28 next year. As a fan you have to appreciate all he has done but if he has any of the roles he presently does for the team next year it would be a major surprise.
Add me to the pro Parker club  
Tuckrule : 12/23/2014 8:37 am : link
Tough as nails player. Love the attitude. Skill set is backup slot guy number 4 reciever. He can block well in the run game and can play specials. He has taken some shots this year and held onto the ball. Like posters have said before me. He has done more than barden and Jernigan combined. He reminds me a lot of tyree with a little more nastiness to him.
RE: Jon  
JonC : 12/23/2014 8:59 am : link
CHP, understood. Ultimately, he is a player you can and want to upgrade, but on a team that's been starved for fury he definitely was a catalyst for some.
^  
ColHowPepper : 12/23/2014 2:13 pm : link
"starved for fury", nice phrase and very, very true. Let's hope the team keeps the chemistry needed to preserve the appetite
Color me a fan  
NYG4246 : 12/24/2014 2:46 pm : link
I've knocked Parker for the most part of this year but he has shown me something as of late. Especially some fire to step up for Beckham last week. Now getting ejected doesnt do anyone good but the Rams were blatantly taking shot at Beckham and he just said enough is enough, going after a linebacker that is marginally larger then himself. He has done a decent job at WR this year, but what he showed me last week ws he is a team player. Fighting, literally, to protect the guys in the same uniforms. Hats off to you Mr. Parker
From the bulk of the posts I have read  
Matt M. : 12/24/2014 2:52 pm : link
I seem to be in the minority. I don't see anything special about Parker. As a WR he has shown inconsistent hands and route running. As a KR, save for a couple of returns, he has been mostly mediocre or average and has often displayed poor judgement running kicks out of the end zone that he shouldn't.

Now, all of a sudden, people love him for his "fury" or intensity or getting a guy's back. Sorry, but a guy getting himself ejected is not something worthy of praise. If was half as good as some of you are making him out to be, then an ejection os the last thing you want. It is very possible to come to your teammates aid without getting ejected. What he did was stupid and irresponsible. When you couple it with overall inconsistent and mediocre play, what is the big deal? Ideally, he is a guy you have as a 5th WR, not playing a significant role each week.
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