He should, guys off the street get a chance before he does because of some arcane coach. He puts in the work, was actually with the team the whole offseason, gets passed over.
Just this year with Kiwi and our DE...dont forget last year the owner called out his coach on this exactly. it just looks 100x worse coming from a UDFA rookie....
off next year's Giants' roster. Could have done it on purpose on the advice of his agent. He'll definitely be better off somewhere else. Good luck to him. I'd like to see him have an NFL career somewhere as long as he doesn't come back and hurt us.
What are the odds he'll be on the inactive list this Sunday?
his understandable frustration, I don't think he should be making those comments.
But I do agree that it's silly if he isn't playing WR because he can't make a contribution on ST. I'm sure he's busting his ass on ST. Remember he came here after being waived by the Cardinals, and made the 53 against very long odds. And as someone else said on another thread, he may not have the body to be very successful on ST.
But that may not be the entire reason. As the article states, the Giants may feel he just isn't ready as a rookie UDFA from a small school. The Giants tend to bring these guys along slowly. Even Wynn wouldn't be playing in all likelihood except for injuries to Ayers and Kiwi.
Washington is coming back next year. No way the Giants cut him loose. We don't know if Cruz can return to form, and there are still questions about RR. And even if both come back, you need more than three WRs. Washington also has more height than anyone else on the roster.
We're saying with all the injures and the losing record he should have been given so chance to show what he can do. The only extended time he had was against the colts and he had 4 catches and a TD. TC himself said he has done very well in practice at reciver but is not getting playing time because of special teams.instead a giving a young guy a shot we are playing journeymen street free agents.
you can see why he hasn't progressed enough to earn more playing time. A lot of young guys played this year in key roles so age isn't an excuse. The best guys play.
It must be. I mean even though Beckham, Williams, Kennard and Richburg have played major minutes, even though Wynn has had opportunities, even with all that, it must be that even though he deserved a shot, he didn't get it because of that darned Coughlin guy.
Because they make to many mental mistakes, but we have seen time and time again here that it holds us back. Why even keep him on the team if he isn't going to play a lick. He probably does need some refining, but when we sit people in the bench like Randle and let vet FA players play instead of getting a young promising guy experience it's just stupid. Guy needs some game reps to see what he can do against NFL non preseason players.
No, dude. You had a great opportunity in the end zone with the whole season in front of you. You made similar catches; in the preseason against other wannabes, but when it came down to it in a real game, against real professionals, you didn't come down with it. That opportunity had implications not only for you but the team.
or can be against 1st string defenses. For much of the season, I could understand not playing him if his practice time wasn't up to snuff. But, in the last few weeks, I think it made no sense to be playing Ogletree over him, for example. Ogletree has no future with the team, while Washington might.
1) coughlin doesn't seem to care about "next year" - his goal is 7-9 at the moment and has been since they lost their ninth game. So fans who do care about next year and couldn't care less if we went 7-9 or 5-11 are rightfully upset when they see coughlin playing low ceiling vets over rookies with potential who would benefit from playing time/getting a chance. It actually pisses me off quite a bit.
2) just because coughlin n co are professionals doesn't mean they always make the right calls or are immune from fan criticism. That's just typical weak sauce avoiding intelligent discussion. 6-10/7-9 following years of losing/mediocre football begs a lot of questions. Fans have every right to second guess this staff.
Next to QB, WR is the most cerebral position on the football team...
every week until he couldn't go no more. LOL, Richburg is playing because Snee retired, Schwartz is on IR. Kennard is playing because Herz and Paysinger suck (yet they still make the roster) and Beason and Williams are on IR. Wynn and Moore are playing because Kiwi and Ayers are on IR.
Washington is just probably making a calculated business decision to ensure he is a UFA not a RFA.
Yep...a marginal NFL player is making a calculated decision
in history of mankind to control their own fate. Yep sounds insane.
Yeah, somehow I don't think an undrafted receiver from a small school, who can't even get on the field should be betting on himself, especially when you're a rookie. And if you're believing in your own hype based on dominating other scrubs during preseason games, then you deserve to be cut. But sure, since someone in the history of mankind was correct once in betting on themselves, this is definitely the smart move.
when Washington said he had "no regrets" signing with the Giants. He's frustrated he hasn't played more, but I doubt he's trying to bargain his way off the team. He's impatient; how many 20-somethings aren't?
IMO this is clamoring for more reps at WR in the season finale more than anything else.
"All I do on special teams is block," he said. "I guess I have to put them down on the ground, I guess. I don't know."
If he doesn't know that blocking and tackling are the bulk of the game's action, then he won't make it.
And yes, you should be looking to put them on the ground every time.
Unless there is a communication problem with him and his position coach, he sounds like he is on his way to he CFL shortly.
This, your first year in the league as an undrafted player that actually makes the 53 man squad, should be spent understanding that you have a lot to learn and a ton of work to move up the ladder. You don't spend it bitching and whining.
Also the claim that because of TC he won't play is nonsense. He plays Rookies and players he feels are ready.
RE: RE: yep because no player or person has betted on themselves
in history of mankind to control their own fate. Yep sounds insane.
Yeah, somehow I don't think an undrafted receiver from a small school, who can't even get on the field should be betting on himself, especially when you're a rookie. And if you're believing in your own hype based on dominating other scrubs during preseason games, then you deserve to be cut. But sure, since someone in the history of mankind was correct once in betting on themselves, this is definitely the smart move.
What is he supposed to think? Have you ever met or heard about a professional athlete that made it to the highest level while also believing they're not very good?
I can understand his frustration and he probably should get more
playing time, but c'mon. He's a rookie undrafted FA from a little-known school. Yeah, he should get more playing time, especially over the likes of Kevin Ogletree, but he can't expect to be rolled out there with OBJ, Randle and Parker..... His time will come next year. He just needs to be patient.
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@HeDoubleTrouble what did you do to TC? Why does he REFUSE to play you??? Serious question here
Corey Washington Jr. @HeDoubleTrouble Dec 21
@iBleedBlue10 I would answer you but what I have to say I don't wanna lose my job feel me? #FedUp
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@HeDoubleTrouble yea, I feel I just don't get it, you're definitely GREAT playing WR on OFFENSE... I hope you get a chance with NYG nxt yr
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@iBleedBlue10 smh we will see
Rich Mullin @RichMullin1 Dec 21
@HeDoubleTrouble Step it up on specials and you'll see more time. Keep learning, keep improving, stay positive and opportunities will come.
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@RichMullin1 stop listening to the media you don't know what I'm doing on special teams all I do is block nothing else more to do there
I don't know...maybe he should continue to learn behind other players
And the coaches without bitching about not getting playing time. He's a rookie and an undrafted one at that. Maybe...just maybe he isn't as good as he thinks he is. Nah...he proved himself to be a star because he scored all those TDs against players of which most aren't in the league anymore during exhibition games. Why not bet on yourself and potentially get in the coaches doghouse for mouthing off? I mean, what bad can come of that? Surely he'll find more playing time somewhere else that isn't run by a coach who is too stubborn...right?
Not the first time a Giant player has taken a gripe about TC
Maybe 1st time for a UDFA rookie... but what the heck the kid wants to play. Stupid way to try to get PT, but I don't think TC goes ballistic over it, just sits him down to talk. And prolly the kid needs it...
If Eli saw potential in practice wouldn't you think that he would ask for the guy?
So all the position coaches and TC and Eli are all against him despite him showing they are wrong for each of the last 20 weeks in a row?
And the defensive backs covering him in practice who are determined to win and have the offense score more....they are in on the conspiracy by reporting weaknesses that are really strengths.
The lengths that about 25 determined people will go to keep Washington down. Who is paying all those people off? Oh...i forgot the obvious answer...TC? Vegas betting rings? Russian bookies? Arnold Rothstein?
Well now that the conspiracy is known let's see what happens
The kid is obviously getting impatient and there is nothing wrong with that as he feels he is ready to contribute.
Much ado about nothing, TC will sit him down and talk to him about the way he has to go about his business going forward and that will be the end of Washington tweet gate.
He should, guys off the street get a chance before he does because of some arcane coach. He puts in the work, was actually with the team the whole offseason, gets passed over.
Except, that arcane coach hasa history of keeping undrafted free agent players on the active roster. Every team has them, but I would bet the Giants are higher than a lot of teams with UDFA Rookies on their roster since Jerry Reese was G.M.
RE: Washington was the best 4th QTR receiver during the
Coughlin made it clear - "come to me with issues, not the media"
Now he's a leader. Kid has a right to be frustrated, he's way down the depth chart. Season is over - time to see what we have. Maybe the Giants don't want to complicate things by playing him, maybe he's not getting it in the film room, in practice. Hell - even Randle had been benched twice for not living up to expectations.
We heard Adrien Robinson say he didn't take practice and working out siously before this year - could be that with Washington. Coughlin's always liked hard workers and had an affinity for Special Teams. Obviously not all coaches do things this way -- Coughlin's does. Did it with Barden as well.
Maybe the kid isn't good enough, maybe he's not working as hard as he can, maybe it's a combination. But the system is the system and Washington is aware.
By all accounts hustled his tail off in practice and was diligent in his film study. That is why he was active when injuries hit versus just going with a DT playing DE. Washington hasn't gotten looks because he is not doing well on special teams. Coughlin wants his backup skill guys to play special teams. Devin Thomas came off the street and played a key role leading up to Super Bowl XLVI due to special teams play. If he would put in the effort there he would play over Ogletree
And in terms of getting another chance with another team that will not be a problem. The Giants put him on the roster so another team would not take him. If he is cut and that seems like it is his plan some other team will give him a shot. There is is absolutely no reason that they could not have worked him in and gotten him 10-15 snaps a game. No one is saying he should start. We have seen it before from this coach. No one knows what type of player this kid will be and that is the shame of it all.
When Jernigan finally got a shot and the owner himself comes out and says something like how come it took so long to get this kid on the field.
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but Coughlin's stubborn ways have bothered me the past couple of seasons. Playing Kuhn over Bromley makes ZERO sense.
Washington shines in preseason, but gets no playing time even with a ton of injuries because he's not making impact plays on specials.
BBI has put on a pedistal for doing absolutely nothing.
Probably will go the way if all the rest as well. Doing absolutely nothing.
There are times throughout the season I wouldve liked to have seen him get more opportunities, but he wasnt going to see time agead of Beckham, Parker, and Randle. And if Cruz were healthy his chances would have been less so. Not sure what he's complaining about. He should be quiet and be patient. Hes obviously missing something in his game that Coughlin is looking for. Maybe if he spent less time moping and more time listening, he'd have it figured out. This guy isnt a rookie. Its not his first camp. He should have a better grasp of whats expected of him than this.
Know if this guy can get off the line against 1/2 string players?
As a long strider with only poor competition for many years...like Bardem...can he get off the line?
Until that is clear...we have no idea if he is or ever will be good.
Can he run a route other than a goal line fade?
and to me the question is not TC. TC played Bradshaw, Boss, Smith, Kenard, BEckham, Manningham, Williams, JPP, Prince, Richburg etc etc. The question is what makes us think Eli would not ask for him if he saw something in the kid?
And in terms of getting another chance with another team that will not be a problem. The Giants put him on the roster so another team would not take him. If he is cut and that seems like it is his plan some other team will give him a shot. There is is absolutely no reason that they could not have worked him in and gotten him 10-15 snaps a game. No one is saying he should start. We have seen it before from this coach. No one knows what type of player this kid will be and that is the shame of it all.
The problem is to work him into the line-up to get him 10-15 snaps a WR or another player who is more valuable on Special Teams would have to be inactive. Jernigan, part of the issue was he was actually playing on Special Teams so it was not the case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. When Washington has played on Special Teams he has missed blocks/reads that have negatively impacted our play
When Jernigan finally got a shot and the owner himself comes out and says something like how come it took so long to get this kid on the field.
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but Coughlin's stubborn ways have bothered me the past couple of seasons. Playing Kuhn over Bromley makes ZERO sense.
Washington shines in preseason, but gets no playing time even with a ton of injuries because he's not making impact plays on specials.
This is ridiculous, IMO.
Since I mentioned Jernigan in a previous reply I won't rehash those comments here except to say that I do not think the failure to make an impact and, if anything, his negative plays on special teams are ridiculous. Offense, Defense and Special Teams all need to be working for good teams to win it all. I agree with Kuhn over Bromley not making sense especially considering where Bromley was drafted. A lot of the scouting reports did say he would need time in an NFL weight room so that may be part of it, but Coughlin did need to play Bromley more
All the excitement about a guy beating 3rd stringers in exhibition games is really quite silly. If was lighting it up in practice you could bet he would be playing, TC is nice enough not to discuss any obvious weaknesses in public.
When Jernigan finally got a shot and the owner himself comes out and says something like how come it took so long to get this kid on the field.
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but Coughlin's stubborn ways have bothered me the past couple of seasons. Playing Kuhn over Bromley makes ZERO sense.
Washington shines in preseason, but gets no playing time even with a ton of injuries because he's not making impact plays on specials.
This is ridiculous, IMO.
The owner was obviously wrong because Jernigan still sucks and had a good chance to be cut if he didn't go on IR.
RE: Coughlin hates playing inexperienced players period
Because they make to many mental mistakes, but we have seen time and time again here that it holds us back. Why even keep him on the team if he isn't going to play a lick. He probably does need some refining, but when we sit people in the bench like Randle and let vet FA players play instead of getting a young promising guy experience it's just stupid. Guy needs some game reps to see what he can do against NFL non preseason players.
during the regular season. We had 5 yards for a first down, and he made a 90-degree turn at 4 yards, caught the ball, and was stopped immediately. Punt.
When Jernigan finally got a shot and the owner himself comes out and says something like how come it took so long to get this kid on the field.
Citing Jernigan as an example of guys being held back by the coaching staff? Was this meant to be ironic? (Hint, you come off a lot better if the answer is "yes").
The Giants have seen something from him, because he is on the roster......
But let's face it, what he did was against camp fodder....this team is in win mode, whether the games are meaningless or not....that is Coughlin's way....he puts the guys out there he thinks will help him win....it was that formula in the last game of 2007, that helped him win a SB.....that is just the way he coaches.....to win....and if he feels there is a better player than Washington out there, he will use that player over Washington....yes he does play rookies, but more often than not, he has to be prodded to do so, usually when a player just completely fails or is injured....
to be your go-to play near the goal line then why not play this guy? He might have caught a couple of those and surely that makes up for any ST deficiencies.
his refusal to play Washington means that he & the other coaches consider Corey to be a marginal player who would not be worthy of a roster spot unless he contributed to STs.
On the other hand, comments by some readers that Washington's success came only in 4th quarters, & mostly against players that could not make their teams' roster, is true but not the entire story. Washington had no control over when he was used. He performed sensationally during the only times he was allowed to play. No one can do any better under such circumstances.
Coughlin is old school & is not going to change. I hope that Corey will get more of an opportunity to show what he can do next year, but it will probably have to be for another team.
To make himself an unrestricted free agent because somehow that's going to allow him to make another team. Really, you can't make this shit up.
He made the Giants didn't he! He will have numerous teams inviting him in for a chance to make their team. The guy believes in himself, especially since he did flash, albeit in preseason! Isn't that when Cruz flashed his potential, the preseason game against the Jets?
wouldn't be playing if it weren't for the injuries Kiwi and Ayers. Absent that, he'd be riding the pine. Kennard would also have far fewer snaps if Beason wasn't hurt. Berhe hasn't played much, despite the blown coverages by Brown. Mosley didn't get on the field even though Jerry was awful.
I think what upsets Washington is that he thought he, and not Ogletree, should have been the #4 WR went Cruz went down. I agree. Ogletree is not the future, and was picked up after the season started. I hope this decision isn't because Washington isn't effective on ST, and is instead because the coaches think he just isn't ready to face top flight NFL DBs. Coughlin seems very slow to play these guys, unless he has no choice because of injury.
Washington should have kept his frustration "in house." Airing his complaints in public serves no good purpose. But that mistake doesn't mean his frustration isn't valid.
In any event, he's a 22 year old kid who made a mistake. As I said, I'd be surprised if the Giants cut him loose after this year because of these comments. And as for drafting a WR, a lot depends on how Cruz develops. This team has a lot of needs on both lines, and although I wouldn't be averse to using a high pick on a WR, I'd prefer to use them on other positions.
In the mind of BBIers' Coughlin flies into a rage, squints at Corey Washington, his face red, and hisses: "Clean out your locker and hit the road."
In the real NFL, somebody -- probably Pat Hanlon -- sends an email to somebody on the coaching staff -- probably the wide receivers coach -- with a link to the article. Coughlin may be cc'd, he may not be. A coach sits Corey Washington down, calmly explains that griping to the press won't help his situation, and advises him never to do it again. And tells him that if he wants to play more, he needs to play better.
The coach may also remind him that they do think he's talented, they do believe in him, or they wouldn't have kept him. But he needs to get better, just as Victor did, just as Larry did. And that if he gets better, he'll play, just as Kerry is playing.
who showed promise when finally getting a chance (such as Wynn, but certainly a lot of others, too) may have well blown it if tossed in before they were given some seasoning. It's easy to castigate the coach with hindsight. When TC does play a youngster such as Kuhn, and there's no production, we castigate him for not sticking with a vet.
Washington beat the odds and made an NFL roster at a premium position. There's gotta be something there the team likes. That he's gotten passed over says there's something about him they don't like that they want to see addressed. His attitude isn't doing him any favors. Maybe it's just frustration boiling over. or maybe it's part of the problem.
The question isn't whether Washington is a HOF talent
it's whether he's more likely an part of the future than Kevin F'ing Ogeltree. I think the answer to that is yes.
These games are meaningless except for the fact that they might tell us what we have in some of our players (e.g., Wynn, Bromley, Washington). If we don't play the Washington's of this roster now, we'll have to wait till next year.. maybe... to find out if they have potential or not. The problem with that: what if (just playing what if) Washington is the next Terrel Owens and, without knowing that, we draft a WR in round 1? Or what if Washington sucks and we count on him as a reserve WR in 2015, one or two of our starters go down and we are stuck with Washington in games that matter in 2015? Those are the problems that I see with playing guys like Ogeltree over Washington in these meaningless games. Also the problem with having a coach who's coaching for his job at the end of a 9+ loss season (although this seems to be a trait of Coughlin's regardless of his status).
Washington is more likely to be party of the future than Ogletree
But it is also about not getting the other people on the field hurt. Ogletree may not be the future, but what if a missed assignment by Washington on special teams causes Odell Beckham Jr. to have a career ending injury returning a punt? To be a depth player under Coughlin you need to play special teams and do it well enough to prevent others from getting hurt and I do not think Coughlin has the faith in Washington in that role as compared to Ogletree
how well Washington has been doing on STs? Is he a good blocker? A bad one? Mediocre?
One thing I think you'd have to grant is that blocking is a pretty integral part of playing WR. If you're not up to the task on STs, why would anyone think you'd be up to it in the running game?
Talking to the media about his frustration wont endear him to TC
If he can contribute as a WR, not playing him at WR because he's not a good ST'er is just stupid. But talking to the media about it wont help him any, possibly the opposite.
RE: Talking to the media about his frustration wont endear him to TC
If he can contribute as a WR, not playing him at WR because he's not a good ST'er is just stupid. But talking to the media about it wont help him any, possibly the opposite.
Assuming he is active I would agree, but if he is not active because another WR is a better special teams player I would rather go with the better special teams player who will see more special teams plays than Washington would see offensive snaps (and some of the snaps Washington may be run plays or not even in his direction)
RE: Next to QB, WR is the most cerebral position on the football team...
I don't know why he won't be given a chance to play. He scores and produces when he does play. If there was a time to see what a player has it would have been this season. I wanted to see him compete against Parker and RR. JJ went out for the season as did Cruz. This was the chance to see what he had.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
I don't know why he won't be given a chance to play. He scores and produces when he does play. If there was a time to see what a player has it would have been this season. I wanted to see him compete against Parker and RR. JJ went out for the season as did Cruz. This was the chance to see what he had.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
All he did was score TDs for us in garbage time in Preseason
He did not deliver very well when given the opportunity during playing time in the regular season against more formidable opposition --- in fact his first game out -- he was lobbed a pass in the end zone and couldn't make the play he'd been making through out preseason -- I think he did that twice --
Goes undrafted and ends up on an NFL roster unlike a thousand other players this offseason. Then he gets asked to do something he isn't used to and having a hard time figuring out what's the problem. Somehow Odell Beckham Jr. after being drafted in the first round and becoming a major weapon on the offense manages to also make plays on special teams. Kerry Wynn went undrafted, played his way up through attrition/practice squad and landed on the defensive line rotation and made some key plays the last few weeks.
Corey Washington needs experience and some more maturing.
I don't know why he won't be given a chance to play. He scores and produces when he does play. If there was a time to see what a player has it would have been this season. I wanted to see him compete against Parker and RR. JJ went out for the season as did Cruz. This was the chance to see what he had.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
All he did was score TDs for us in garbage time in Preseason
He did not deliver very well when given the opportunity during playing time in the regular season against more formidable opposition --- in fact his first game out -- he was lobbed a pass in the end zone and couldn't make the play he'd been making through out preseason -- I think he did that twice --
You have to start somewhere and flash. He scored in every single game if I am not mistaken. Then come in during the season and scored again. When someone flashes like that and you're beat up at the WR position, you give the guy a chance and see what he can do.
indicated CW isn't effective on special teams, hadn't demonstrated he had learned the route tree or his varied assignments in practice, etc. Those things mean he won't see much game action other than specials where the numbers game means he has to play.
Probably the last WR on the roster as an undrafted FA, he doesn't get, it isn't difficult to figure out. I'd agree the young man needs to grow up.
I didn't see the route tree part of his comment. I thought he just only mentioned special teams, stating he needed to play that at a high level before getting a shot at WR. I don't recall anything regarding route tree. Was that in the article that was posted a few days ago?
I didn't see the route tree part of his comment. I thought he just only mentioned special teams, stating he needed to play that at a high level before getting a shot at WR. I don't recall anything regarding route tree. Was that in the article that was posted a few days ago?
AP, this was earlier in the season, TC mentioned some struggles in practice etc, I was told command of the route tree was a primary issue.
I don't know why he won't be given a chance to play. He scores and produces when he does play. If there was a time to see what a player has it would have been this season. I wanted to see him compete against Parker and RR. JJ went out for the season as did Cruz. This was the chance to see what he had.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
I agree with this 100%, and I think it's more than reasonable for Washington to be frustrated after being with the team since camp yet having to see Ogletree get signed off the streets midseason and steal targets away from him.
But yea, he can always look to Victor Cruz for encouragement, right? Cruz didn't get any regular snaps until he went for 2 TD's and over 100 yards against the Eagles after the Giants had to lean on him when both Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham got injured, and after Brandon Stokely was signed and then went on career-ending IR.
Safe to say that Coughlin will eventually give the UDFA his chance - but it has to be during the fall equinox with Jupiter and Saturn in alignment, on the following Sunday in which a boy named Ceasar was born on the third Tuesday of October under a crescent moon . . .
fair. However, if it's just special teams then I don't agree with that. I wonder if he has progressed from early on until now. It's not like other WRs struggled early on. RR and Parker both struggled early on. Even LD too, but now the offense looks better than it has prior. I would attribute that to progression of the system from pre season games to where it is now.
I look forward to seeing it in year 2 when we add more talent across the board to this offense.
CW's preseason success came again DBs that were also UDFA's, probably most of them aren't on NFL rosters. That has to be taken into consideration, quality of competition before stating he can matchup against legit NFL players with live bullets flying.
but youhave to flash somewhere. It's not like he was playing with the 1s. So in his limited scope, against the talent he faced, he stood out. That's always a positive first step. He played a few times during the year, scored a TD, and made some catches.
Also, due to injuries, this was his chance to play and see what he can do. Now if Cruz comes back to normal, there will be a logjam at WR. If that happens it will be a lot harder for him to get in the mix. IF we re-sign JJ, then add another WR to the mix. So, I don't expect much now next season. We could very well draft another WR at some point. So IF there was a shot for him to contribute it would have been this year.
but it's still a huge leap to playing in the NFL. I believe if he, or any player, were demonstrating enough to earn the coaches confidence, he'd be seeing game reps. It's strange how some fans constantly pine for Nassib to play, or CW, or Bromley, or insert name of backup here.
I am not sure what that rookie DT offers or who he is. Nassib should not be playing at all. I don't care if it's a blowout in our favor or not, he shouldn't be stepping on the field unless ELi is hurt and can't go. If that criteria is not met, I don't want to see Nassib.
CW is different for me because our offense lacks talent. Our WRs outside of OBJ are inconsistent. RR is doing something to get his ass benched. Our TEs are useless, and our starting RB has been hurt in year one. So if BM is stating how he creates around his personnel, then this would be a good chance to include him in different packages.
Had it been past years where we had talent, then I wouldn't care.
is that coaches are working to keep their jobs, which would seem to strengthen their resolve to only play players they have confidence in contributing to solid performance. They're not thinking 2015 as a priority.
This is what happens when a staff is coaching for their jobs.
The offense does lack talent, but if the kid can't earn his way onto the field then logic dictates to me he isn't likely to help. If he's demonstrating a 50% grasp in practice, I don't want him on the field.
"All I do on special teams is block," he said. "I guess I have to put them down on the ground, I guess. I don't know."
If he doesn't know that blocking and tackling are the bulk of the game's action, then he won't make it.
And yes, you should be looking to put them on the ground every time.
Unless there is a communication problem with him and his position coach, he sounds like he is on his way to he CFL shortly.
He should, guys off the street get a chance before he does because of some arcane coach. He puts in the work, was actually with the team the whole offseason, gets passed over.
Huge mistake asking him to do the same things every other fringe rookie in the NFL has to do to earn playing time.
What are the odds he'll be on the inactive list this Sunday?
But I do agree that it's silly if he isn't playing WR because he can't make a contribution on ST. I'm sure he's busting his ass on ST. Remember he came here after being waived by the Cardinals, and made the 53 against very long odds. And as someone else said on another thread, he may not have the body to be very successful on ST.
But that may not be the entire reason. As the article states, the Giants may feel he just isn't ready as a rookie UDFA from a small school. The Giants tend to bring these guys along slowly. Even Wynn wouldn't be playing in all likelihood except for injuries to Ayers and Kiwi.
Washington is coming back next year. No way the Giants cut him loose. We don't know if Cruz can return to form, and there are still questions about RR. And even if both come back, you need more than three WRs. Washington also has more height than anyone else on the roster.
Keep plugging kid. Your time will come.
Uh, remind me again why you aren't employed by an NFL team?
Shut up and get ready.
2) just because coughlin n co are professionals doesn't mean they always make the right calls or are immune from fan criticism. That's just typical weak sauce avoiding intelligent discussion. 6-10/7-9 following years of losing/mediocre football begs a lot of questions. Fans have every right to second guess this staff.
Washington is just probably making a calculated business decision to ensure he is a UFA not a RFA.
Yeah, somehow I don't think an undrafted receiver from a small school, who can't even get on the field should be betting on himself, especially when you're a rookie. And if you're believing in your own hype based on dominating other scrubs during preseason games, then you deserve to be cut. But sure, since someone in the history of mankind was correct once in betting on themselves, this is definitely the smart move.
IMO this is clamoring for more reps at WR in the season finale more than anything else.
"All I do on special teams is block," he said. "I guess I have to put them down on the ground, I guess. I don't know."
If he doesn't know that blocking and tackling are the bulk of the game's action, then he won't make it.
And yes, you should be looking to put them on the ground every time.
Unless there is a communication problem with him and his position coach, he sounds like he is on his way to he CFL shortly.
This, your first year in the league as an undrafted player that actually makes the 53 man squad, should be spent understanding that you have a lot to learn and a ton of work to move up the ladder. You don't spend it bitching and whining.
Also the claim that because of TC he won't play is nonsense. He plays Rookies and players he feels are ready.
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in history of mankind to control their own fate. Yep sounds insane.
Yeah, somehow I don't think an undrafted receiver from a small school, who can't even get on the field should be betting on himself, especially when you're a rookie. And if you're believing in your own hype based on dominating other scrubs during preseason games, then you deserve to be cut. But sure, since someone in the history of mankind was correct once in betting on themselves, this is definitely the smart move.
What is he supposed to think? Have you ever met or heard about a professional athlete that made it to the highest level while also believing they're not very good?
@HeDoubleTrouble what did you do to TC? Why does he REFUSE to play you??? Serious question here
Corey Washington Jr. @HeDoubleTrouble Dec 21
@iBleedBlue10 I would answer you but what I have to say I don't wanna lose my job feel me? #FedUp
NA NA @iBleedBlue10 Dec 21
@HeDoubleTrouble yea, I feel I just don't get it, you're definitely GREAT playing WR on OFFENSE... I hope you get a chance with NYG nxt yr
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@iBleedBlue10 smh we will see
Rich Mullin @RichMullin1 Dec 21
@HeDoubleTrouble Step it up on specials and you'll see more time. Keep learning, keep improving, stay positive and opportunities will come.
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@RichMullin1 stop listening to the media you don't know what I'm doing on special teams all I do is block nothing else more to do there
Maybe 1st time for a UDFA rookie... but what the heck the kid wants to play. Stupid way to try to get PT, but I don't think TC goes ballistic over it, just sits him down to talk. And prolly the kid needs it...
He should definitely get his chances when the other teams put in their 4th QTR cornerbacks and safeties.
So all the position coaches and TC and Eli are all against him despite him showing they are wrong for each of the last 20 weeks in a row?
And the defensive backs covering him in practice who are determined to win and have the offense score more....they are in on the conspiracy by reporting weaknesses that are really strengths.
The lengths that about 25 determined people will go to keep Washington down. Who is paying all those people off? Oh...i forgot the obvious answer...TC? Vegas betting rings? Russian bookies? Arnold Rothstein?
Well now that the conspiracy is known let's see what happens
The kid is obviously getting impatient and there is nothing wrong with that as he feels he is ready to contribute.
Much ado about nothing, TC will sit him down and talk to him about the way he has to go about his business going forward and that will be the end of Washington tweet gate.
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Because he obviously wants off the team.....
He should, guys off the street get a chance before he does because of some arcane coach. He puts in the work, was actually with the team the whole offseason, gets passed over.
Except, that arcane coach hasa history of keeping undrafted free agent players on the active roster. Every team has them, but I would bet the Giants are higher than a lot of teams with UDFA Rookies on their roster since Jerry Reese was G.M.
He should definitely get his chances when the other teams put in their 4th QTR cornerbacks and safeties.
Wow!
You mean the 4th quarter where teams play exclusively guys who have now been cut, save for maybe one or two per team?
I should check out his bust in Canton
He should definitely get his chances when the other teams put in their 4th QTR cornerbacks and safeties.
Sorry! Didn't read through it missed the sarcasm IN my first response until it was too late
Now he's a leader. Kid has a right to be frustrated, he's way down the depth chart. Season is over - time to see what we have. Maybe the Giants don't want to complicate things by playing him, maybe he's not getting it in the film room, in practice. Hell - even Randle had been benched twice for not living up to expectations.
We heard Adrien Robinson say he didn't take practice and working out siously before this year - could be that with Washington. Coughlin's always liked hard workers and had an affinity for Special Teams. Obviously not all coaches do things this way -- Coughlin's does. Did it with Barden as well.
Maybe the kid isn't good enough, maybe he's not working as hard as he can, maybe it's a combination. But the system is the system and Washington is aware.
No answer, see Coughlin. Ask same.
No answer, drop a few hints/lines to the press in hopes of moving on.
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but Coughlin's stubborn ways have bothered me the past couple of seasons. Playing Kuhn over Bromley makes ZERO sense.
Washington shines in preseason, but gets no playing time even with a ton of injuries because he's not making impact plays on specials.
This is ridiculous, IMO.
Probably will go the way if all the rest as well. Doing absolutely nothing.
There are times throughout the season I wouldve liked to have seen him get more opportunities, but he wasnt going to see time agead of Beckham, Parker, and Randle. And if Cruz were healthy his chances would have been less so. Not sure what he's complaining about. He should be quiet and be patient. Hes obviously missing something in his game that Coughlin is looking for. Maybe if he spent less time moping and more time listening, he'd have it figured out. This guy isnt a rookie. Its not his first camp. He should have a better grasp of whats expected of him than this.
As a long strider with only poor competition for many years...like Bardem...can he get off the line?
Until that is clear...we have no idea if he is or ever will be good.
Can he run a route other than a goal line fade?
and to me the question is not TC. TC played Bradshaw, Boss, Smith, Kenard, BEckham, Manningham, Williams, JPP, Prince, Richburg etc etc. The question is what makes us think Eli would not ask for him if he saw something in the kid?
Fair enough. Doesnt matter though. He should stop complaining. He hasnt earned anything.
The problem is to work him into the line-up to get him 10-15 snaps a WR or another player who is more valuable on Special Teams would have to be inactive. Jernigan, part of the issue was he was actually playing on Special Teams so it was not the case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. When Washington has played on Special Teams he has missed blocks/reads that have negatively impacted our play
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but Coughlin's stubborn ways have bothered me the past couple of seasons. Playing Kuhn over Bromley makes ZERO sense.
Washington shines in preseason, but gets no playing time even with a ton of injuries because he's not making impact plays on specials.
This is ridiculous, IMO.
Since I mentioned Jernigan in a previous reply I won't rehash those comments here except to say that I do not think the failure to make an impact and, if anything, his negative plays on special teams are ridiculous. Offense, Defense and Special Teams all need to be working for good teams to win it all. I agree with Kuhn over Bromley not making sense especially considering where Bromley was drafted. A lot of the scouting reports did say he would need time in an NFL weight room so that may be part of it, but Coughlin did need to play Bromley more
Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but Coughlin's stubborn ways have bothered me the past couple of seasons. Playing Kuhn over Bromley makes ZERO sense.
Washington shines in preseason, but gets no playing time even with a ton of injuries because he's not making impact plays on specials.
This is ridiculous, IMO.
The owner was obviously wrong because Jernigan still sucks and had a good chance to be cut if he didn't go on IR.
Agreed.
Citing Jernigan as an example of guys being held back by the coaching staff? Was this meant to be ironic? (Hint, you come off a lot better if the answer is "yes").
But let's face it, what he did was against camp fodder....this team is in win mode, whether the games are meaningless or not....that is Coughlin's way....he puts the guys out there he thinks will help him win....it was that formula in the last game of 2007, that helped him win a SB.....that is just the way he coaches.....to win....and if he feels there is a better player than Washington out there, he will use that player over Washington....yes he does play rookies, but more often than not, he has to be prodded to do so, usually when a player just completely fails or is injured....
If they showed ability to contribute they would be starters.
In the case of Petrus he's gone.
On the other hand, comments by some readers that Washington's success came only in 4th quarters, & mostly against players that could not make their teams' roster, is true but not the entire story. Washington had no control over when he was used. He performed sensationally during the only times he was allowed to play. No one can do any better under such circumstances.
Coughlin is old school & is not going to change. I hope that Corey will get more of an opportunity to show what he can do next year, but it will probably have to be for another team.
He made the Giants didn't he! He will have numerous teams inviting him in for a chance to make their team. The guy believes in himself, especially since he did flash, albeit in preseason! Isn't that when Cruz flashed his potential, the preseason game against the Jets?
I think what upsets Washington is that he thought he, and not Ogletree, should have been the #4 WR went Cruz went down. I agree. Ogletree is not the future, and was picked up after the season started. I hope this decision isn't because Washington isn't effective on ST, and is instead because the coaches think he just isn't ready to face top flight NFL DBs. Coughlin seems very slow to play these guys, unless he has no choice because of injury.
Washington should have kept his frustration "in house." Airing his complaints in public serves no good purpose. But that mistake doesn't mean his frustration isn't valid.
In any event, he's a 22 year old kid who made a mistake. As I said, I'd be surprised if the Giants cut him loose after this year because of these comments. And as for drafting a WR, a lot depends on how Cruz develops. This team has a lot of needs on both lines, and although I wouldn't be averse to using a high pick on a WR, I'd prefer to use them on other positions.
In the real NFL, somebody -- probably Pat Hanlon -- sends an email to somebody on the coaching staff -- probably the wide receivers coach -- with a link to the article. Coughlin may be cc'd, he may not be. A coach sits Corey Washington down, calmly explains that griping to the press won't help his situation, and advises him never to do it again. And tells him that if he wants to play more, he needs to play better.
The coach may also remind him that they do think he's talented, they do believe in him, or they wouldn't have kept him. But he needs to get better, just as Victor did, just as Larry did. And that if he gets better, he'll play, just as Kerry is playing.
And that will be the end of it.
Washington beat the odds and made an NFL roster at a premium position. There's gotta be something there the team likes. That he's gotten passed over says there's something about him they don't like that they want to see addressed. His attitude isn't doing him any favors. Maybe it's just frustration boiling over. or maybe it's part of the problem.
These games are meaningless except for the fact that they might tell us what we have in some of our players (e.g., Wynn, Bromley, Washington). If we don't play the Washington's of this roster now, we'll have to wait till next year.. maybe... to find out if they have potential or not. The problem with that: what if (just playing what if) Washington is the next Terrel Owens and, without knowing that, we draft a WR in round 1? Or what if Washington sucks and we count on him as a reserve WR in 2015, one or two of our starters go down and we are stuck with Washington in games that matter in 2015? Those are the problems that I see with playing guys like Ogeltree over Washington in these meaningless games. Also the problem with having a coach who's coaching for his job at the end of a 9+ loss season (although this seems to be a trait of Coughlin's regardless of his status).
One thing I think you'd have to grant is that blocking is a pretty integral part of playing WR. If you're not up to the task on STs, why would anyone think you'd be up to it in the running game?
If he can contribute as a WR, not playing him at WR because he's not a good ST'er is just stupid. But talking to the media about it wont help him any, possibly the opposite.
If he can contribute as a WR, not playing him at WR because he's not a good ST'er is just stupid. But talking to the media about it wont help him any, possibly the opposite.
Assuming he is active I would agree, but if he is not active because another WR is a better special teams player I would rather go with the better special teams player who will see more special teams plays than Washington would see offensive snaps (and some of the snaps Washington may be run plays or not even in his direction)
I would have to say O-line, and specifically Center, would be next on the list of cerebral positions after the QB.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
All he did was score TDs for us in garbage time in Preseason
He did not deliver very well when given the opportunity during playing time in the regular season against more formidable opposition --- in fact his first game out -- he was lobbed a pass in the end zone and couldn't make the play he'd been making through out preseason -- I think he did that twice --
Corey Washington needs experience and some more maturing.
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I don't know why he won't be given a chance to play. He scores and produces when he does play. If there was a time to see what a player has it would have been this season. I wanted to see him compete against Parker and RR. JJ went out for the season as did Cruz. This was the chance to see what he had.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
All he did was score TDs for us in garbage time in Preseason
He did not deliver very well when given the opportunity during playing time in the regular season against more formidable opposition --- in fact his first game out -- he was lobbed a pass in the end zone and couldn't make the play he'd been making through out preseason -- I think he did that twice --
You have to start somewhere and flash. He scored in every single game if I am not mistaken. Then come in during the season and scored again. When someone flashes like that and you're beat up at the WR position, you give the guy a chance and see what he can do.
It's not like we are loaded at WR.
Probably the last WR on the roster as an undrafted FA, he doesn't get, it isn't difficult to figure out. I'd agree the young man needs to grow up.
AP, this was earlier in the season, TC mentioned some struggles in practice etc, I was told command of the route tree was a primary issue.
Now next year cruz comes back, and we don't know if we will draft another WR. So now it will be harder for him. I would have loved to see what we had in Washington.
I thought it was stupid that he didn't get playing time. If he didn't grasp the system then fine, but all he did was score TDs for us. Give the kid a chance.
I agree with this 100%, and I think it's more than reasonable for Washington to be frustrated after being with the team since camp yet having to see Ogletree get signed off the streets midseason and steal targets away from him.
But yea, he can always look to Victor Cruz for encouragement, right? Cruz didn't get any regular snaps until he went for 2 TD's and over 100 yards against the Eagles after the Giants had to lean on him when both Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham got injured, and after Brandon Stokely was signed and then went on career-ending IR.
Safe to say that Coughlin will eventually give the UDFA his chance - but it has to be during the fall equinox with Jupiter and Saturn in alignment, on the following Sunday in which a boy named Ceasar was born on the third Tuesday of October under a crescent moon . . .
I look forward to seeing it in year 2 when we add more talent across the board to this offense.
Also, due to injuries, this was his chance to play and see what he can do. Now if Cruz comes back to normal, there will be a logjam at WR. If that happens it will be a lot harder for him to get in the mix. IF we re-sign JJ, then add another WR to the mix. So, I don't expect much now next season. We could very well draft another WR at some point. So IF there was a shot for him to contribute it would have been this year.
CW is different for me because our offense lacks talent. Our WRs outside of OBJ are inconsistent. RR is doing something to get his ass benched. Our TEs are useless, and our starting RB has been hurt in year one. So if BM is stating how he creates around his personnel, then this would be a good chance to include him in different packages.
Had it been past years where we had talent, then I wouldn't care.