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How do you think our OL will hold up Sunday?

robbieballs2003 : 12/26/2014 9:13 am
We were really playing well this year. The pieces were falling into place. Our run game looked pretty damn good. Our pass game was coming along. We are riding high and we face the Eagles. Needless to say that I feel that game turned our season around. They exposed our OL. We looked like a bunch of high schoolers out there.

This same thing happened against Dallas the first time Philly played them. Dallas might have the best OL in the league. A few weeks later Dallas plays Philly again and it is a completely different story.

So, how do you think we do in round 2? As much as I am hoping we take the path that Dallas did, I am still skeptical. Seeing what we did against the Rams front gives me some confidence but I feel Philly plays with more reckless abandon than STL does in the front four.
It will be a good test.....  
Simms11 : 12/26/2014 9:19 am : link
I think Pugh will play better and Richburg also seems more experienced, however, Walton and Jerry still worry me and we'll see how they respond to double gap pressure and blitzes. If the line holds up, handles pressure and we can run, we stand a good chance in this game.
If we try to run to set up the pass we're doomed  
WillieYoung : 12/26/2014 9:21 am : link
If we pass to set up the run, I think it will be a different story than last time.
RE: It will be a good test.....  
robbieballs2003 : 12/26/2014 9:24 am : link
In comment 12053888 Simms11 said:
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I think Pugh will play better and Richburg also seems more experienced, however, Walton and Jerry still worry me and we'll see how they respond to double gap pressure and blitzes. If the line holds up, handles pressure and we can run, we stand a good chance in this game.


I don't have much confidence in the run game. Williams is a beast passed the line of scrimmage. The problem is that he doesn't have the vision nor acceleration to adjust to penetration. Philly will have DL flying upfield and I think we will see a lot of negative runs. A guy like LeVeon Bell against a D like this would be perfect. He is so patient and allows the holes to open uo but he also has the vision and acceleration to be able to be patient. Once Williams gets started in one direction it is hard for him to get off that path. If Philly guesses wrong there can be some huge gains but, like I said, I also expect to see a lot of negative yardage runs in this game.
This game has lost some of it's bite.......  
Doomster : 12/26/2014 9:32 am : link
Yes, our team has made strides and gives us hope for next year.....

But the game is meaningless.....how in the world the Eagles lost to Washington is beyond me.....

It would have been great for both Dallas and the Eagles to have to watch each other's scoreboard this weekend, but that Washington loss ended that....

Playing a team with 3 straight losses with Sanchez at the helm, won't mean much with a victory......it will be interesting to see if the Eagles show up for a meaningless game.....yes the Giants might have revenge on their mind, but, it just won't be the same, if the Eagles were playing for something and we had a chance to knock them off....
RE: This game has lost some of it's bite.......  
robbieballs2003 : 12/26/2014 9:39 am : link
In comment 12053909 Doomster said:
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Yes, our team has made strides and gives us hope for next year.....

But the game is meaningless.....how in the world the Eagles lost to Washington is beyond me.....

It would have been great for both Dallas and the Eagles to have to watch each other's scoreboard this weekend, but that Washington loss ended that....

Playing a team with 3 straight losses with Sanchez at the helm, won't mean much with a victory......it will be interesting to see if the Eagles show up for a meaningless game.....yes the Giants might have revenge on their mind, but, it just won't be the same, if the Eagles were playing for something and we had a chance to knock them off....


What does this have to do with the thread?
Depends on if the Eagles show up or not. Regardless of how  
Victor in CT : 12/26/2014 9:39 am : link
they play in this game, it shouldn't change managements view: The OL still sucks. Walton and Jerry have to go. They need to draft a nasty, snarling OT or OG with a high pick, and probably sign one as an FA if one is available.
After the last time we played the Eagles, who can say?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/26/2014 9:47 am : link
Totally don't know what to expect.
This is McAdoo's  
RetroJint : 12/26/2014 10:02 am : link
most important test to date because he was clearly outcoached by Davis, a very average DC, in the first game. McAdoo needs to be careful to not refight the last war. It is true that the Giants line should seek redemption. As does the Giants d-line, which should get the best of an Eagles' o-line that has played terribly in December, at least in part because the league is getting used to Chip's primitive offense.
I think Pugh is healthier now than he was in the last game  
ZogZerg : 12/26/2014 10:07 am : link
The Eagles will be concerned about Beckham.
I think they play better.

The Rams have arguably the best D line in football and somehow Eli was given time to throw the ball. I expect the Oline to play better this time out.
Realistically  
oldmanTom : 12/26/2014 10:13 am : link
We may have 2 to 3 pieces of a decent offensive line playing. With judicious additions in the off-season 2016 is the earliest I see us having a sound OL.
Eagles Will Bring A Lot of Blitz Packages  
abqgiantfan : 12/26/2014 10:25 am : link
It'll be interesting to see see if our OL can handle the pressure. Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic.
RE: This game has lost some of it's bite.......  
Toth029 : 12/26/2014 10:44 am : link
In comment 12053909 Doomster said:
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But the game is meaningless.....how in the world the Eagles lost to Washington is beyond me.....

FYI, they barely beat Washington the first go-round.

Just different matchups.
starting 5 O-line men?  
jbeintherockies : 12/26/2014 10:56 am : link
How many consecutive weeks has this group of 5 offensive linemen been playing together? I think they are up to 3 consecutive weeks at this point, no?

The more they play together the better, the more reps the new offense gets the better, and so on. I expect the entire offense to play better than it did in week 6.
RE: starting 5 O-line men?  
robbieballs2003 : 12/26/2014 11:04 am : link
In comment 12053981 jbeintherockies said:
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How many consecutive weeks has this group of 5 offensive linemen been playing together? I think they are up to 3 consecutive weeks at this point, no?

The more they play together the better, the more reps the new offense gets the better, and so on. I expect the entire offense to play better than it did in week 6.


It was the same OL that played them last time if I am not mistaken and the same OL that played together for consecutive weeks in the beginning of the year. However, I understand your point about more time together and it is a valid point.
If they can hold up ...  
Mike in Raleigh : 12/26/2014 11:30 am : link
against the Rams D-line ... then theoretically they should be able to hold their own vs. the Eagles D-line. We shall see! :)
I think this is going to be completely different than the 1st game.  
arcarsenal : 12/26/2014 11:39 am : link
And I think we're going to drop 30 (or close) on them.
They've had a couple good games of late ...  
Beer Man : 12/26/2014 11:58 am : link
but I'm not sold on any O-line that has Jerry and Walton starting. IMO both are subs.
It would be hard to think  
geemanfan : 12/26/2014 12:07 pm : link
That after the way they played vs the Rams and how the Eagles embarrassed them the last time they played that they wouldn't show up and play well.
Beckham was a non factor in the first meeting  
BigBlueShock : 12/26/2014 1:41 pm : link
2 catches. The Giants had zero weapons to worry about,mtha to why the Eagles could commit to bringing the house every play. With OBJ now doing what he's doing, the Eagles will NOT be able to blitz on every play. Beckham will completely change how they do things on defense. If they send extra rushers, and also try to double team OBJ, there will be open players all over the field. There's just not enough defenders, it's a numbers thing. If they decide not to double OBJ, well, lol.
you have to go smashface  
alligatorpie : 12/26/2014 2:06 pm : link
even if they crowd the box and we do 3 and outs.

by smashface I mean quick to develop running plays that dont leave time or gaps for linebackers to get up and take advantage of open spaces between them

and punish the would be tacklers and defensive side up front

not to neglect becks...but its part of the puzzle
I think the run game will struggle.  
St. Jimmy : 12/26/2014 2:35 pm : link
The Eagles are good against the run. I think they will be better in the pass game because of Beckham. I think at times, they will still look bad. They have never looked good against the Eagles since about 2000. I think the penalty situation will be different too. Anything the Giants did in the first half of the last game was called back because of a holding penalty.

One would think the Giants would have fixed the issues which resulted in the Eagles stating they knew what the Giants were going to run before the snap, but in general I am skeptical that they will. The game plan last game did not impress on either side if the ball.
RE: Beckham was a non factor in the first meeting  
Hammer : 12/26/2014 2:42 pm : link
In comment 12054203 BigBlueShock said:
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2 catches. The Giants had zero weapons to worry about,mtha to why the Eagles could commit to bringing the house every play. With OBJ now doing what he's doing, the Eagles will NOT be able to blitz on every play. Beckham will completely change how they do things on defense. If they send extra rushers, and also try to double team OBJ, there will be open players all over the field. There's just not enough defenders, it's a numbers thing. If they decide not to double OBJ, well, lol.


This. The Eagles will have to keep one safety over the top the whole game and will not be able to bring 8 into the box.

This game is going to be much much different than the first game. As a previous poster said, the G men will pass to set up the run and keep Philly off balance all day.

Beckham makes all the difference in the world. You'll see that on Sunday.
Let's also not forget  
BigBlueShock : 12/26/2014 2:50 pm : link
Andre Williams has come a LONG way since that game. And I'm not even talking about his running, I'm talking about his blocking. He was abysmal in that game. He is now a decent blocker in the backfield. He's done a pretty damn good job picking up blitzers
great thread...  
Dan in the Springs : 12/26/2014 3:04 pm : link
I would have to rewatch that game to be sure, but in my memory we really missed Jennings. I think the running game should be better this time around, although not enough better to go into the game looking to establish the run.

If the strategy is to go with the quick passing game to set up the run and play-action, I think the offense should do well enough. If we stubbornly seek to establish the run early we could be in for a long afternoon of struggle on the OL.

Having said that I do think we will be smarter this time around and I expect a competitive game Sunday.

I truly think jobs could be lost on the OL if we are embarrassed at home.
worried about this game  
mdc1 : 12/26/2014 3:07 pm : link
. Seems like we do not match up well with them at all.
What offensive line?  
The Tempest : 12/26/2014 5:50 pm : link
Realistically they have been overachieving and they are due to get whooped on again before the season ends. I really want them to prove me wrong.
I think we will  
AnishPatel : 12/26/2014 5:52 pm : link
be fine if we don't go 5 and 7 step drops. Stick to what we have been doing and I think we can do better.
Worried about what exactly?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 12/26/2014 7:03 pm : link
Moving Up Seven Spots In The Draft? How Frightening!!
Does  
BigBlueCane : 12/26/2014 9:30 pm : link
John Jerry read every piece of print that shows him schooling Donald and does he play that way against Philly.

Questions, questions.
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