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Giants very high on Donnell?

DanMetroMan : 12/26/2014 12:26 pm

The Giants expect Larry Donnell to take another big leap forward in 2015.
According to ESPN Giants reporter Dan Graziano, the team believes in Donnell as its starting tight end. They think he'll "develop into a dynamic player who is a huge part of Ben McAdoo's offense." Donnell got off to a torrid start to the season, scoring six touchdowns the first 11 weeks. But the past five games, Donnell has averaged just three catches for 32 yards per game with zero scores. With Victor Cruz returning to full health behind Odell Beckham in 2015, Donnell should be no higher than No. 3 in line for targets. He's going to have to make his hay in the red zone.
Source: ESPN.com
Dec 26 - 11:49 AM
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You are expressing how you feel about Robinson  
Headhunter : 12/26/2014 1:02 pm : link
do you know how the decision makers feel about him?
yikes  
area junc : 12/26/2014 1:03 pm : link
just dont see it. good hands but i do not see the aggressiveness as a blocker or receiver.
RE: You are expressing how you feel about Robinson  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2014 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12054154 Headhunter said:
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do you know how the decision makers feel about him?


I can surmise how they feel about him without hearing them say it due to the fact they don't play him after almost 3 full seasons and they play UDFA's and street free agents over him.

Don't you think it would be a fair and logical deduction that if they liked his play, they'd play him? If they felt he gave the team a better chance to win, don't you think they'd play him?

My comments on here are not my opinion, they're logical deductions based on the evidence.

My own feelings about him are irrelevant.
Donnell has been a turnover machine.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 12/26/2014 1:08 pm : link
How could Coughlin possibly be high on this guy?
I know it'll be the off season  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/26/2014 1:09 pm : link
But if he is going to be our starter, he and Coach Coughlin should work together on ball security. The kid has great hands, great size and good speed, but as others have said, once the ball's in his hands he's a liability.
In a salary cap league  
Killed the K-Gun : 12/26/2014 1:11 pm : link
Not every player can be All-Pro.

I'll take him.
look at the wheel route  
area junc : 12/26/2014 1:12 pm : link
vs. the rams: if donnell is a "receiving TE" he has 3 steps, Eli leads him, should b a 50+ yard TD but instead of catching it in stride he stops and pirouettes and just falls down. good completion, good gain, but bad (unskilled) play by the receiver
Great post pj, well said.  
kmed : 12/26/2014 1:13 pm : link
I like donnell, but he still has some developing to do. I'd like to keep developing him and get a more well rounded te to go along with him.
If you compliment donnell and insulate him in this offense  
djm : 12/26/2014 1:23 pm : link
He can be an asset. As mentioned he's a hard worker. He didn't get this far on natural ability alone obviously but he does have some chops. If he can just get a little bit better he's gonna do just fine here but slight improvement is needed. He's young why not...

I'd love it if the Giants signed or drafted Howard Cross type in the off season.
Free agency  
area junc : 12/26/2014 1:25 pm : link
Another factor here is a strong free agent Tight End class.
Patriots draft  
5J : 12/26/2014 1:32 pm : link
There was a season. A few years ago where the Pats did not have 1 player on their roster from the draft that was just 2 years prior.
Match him up  
Zebra3 : 12/26/2014 1:39 pm : link
With Thomas from the Broncos.
re  
diable : 12/26/2014 1:39 pm : link
Larry has good size. Below average blockings that should improve. He has decent speed. Excellent hands. His run after catch ability is poor and will improve when he learns to stay upright and run through the tackle. His issue is that he tries to protect his knees by leaning forward. He over compensates and becomes top heavy. That is why he always landing on his head.

Bonus points for no injuries. (Knock on wood)
I'll take Rory Anderson or MyCole Pruitt in the later rounds  
Anakim : 12/26/2014 1:50 pm : link
Even Sam Arneson

Donnell needs a complement at TE
Of course they're high on him  
KWALL : 12/26/2014 1:52 pm : link
The guy made massive strides this season and gives them a nice matchup. His size means he's open all day and he can cut and separate. He also has good ball skills and hands.

Donnell should be seen as an important part of the plans. He's an inexpensive but quality starting player who gets a bad rap by many on BBI.
Great  
Marty866b : 12/26/2014 2:01 pm : link
Another miscalculation by the organization. Dynamic? Really?
I don't see it  
ZogZerg : 12/26/2014 2:07 pm : link
He seems to struggle catching and holding onto the ball.
Average TE at best. We'll see.
wow  
giantfanboy : 12/26/2014 2:11 pm : link
he is number 7 TE in catches this year his first year starting
and many think he is 'average"
I might consider a one year flyer  
GMANinDC : 12/26/2014 2:12 pm : link
on Verson davis if he goies on the market..
Vernon Davis  
GMANinDC : 12/26/2014 2:13 pm : link
...
He clearly doesn't struggle catching the ball  
djm : 12/26/2014 2:17 pm : link
Not sure how anyone could reach that conclusion. He's fumbled a few times too many, his blocking needs work and he doesn't break many tackles but catching the ball and going up for the ball in traffic is not a problem for Donnell.
re  
diable : 12/26/2014 2:43 pm : link
PS.Donell

Run high step, Run like Roger Craig.
This must be one of the topics  
ghost718 : 12/26/2014 2:50 pm : link
When Jerry and Tom talk "real" to one another.

Mark my words,Larry Donnell is gonna be in the Ring Of Honor one day.
Donnell  
DonGMen : 12/26/2014 3:06 pm : link
We have Ertz & Whitten in our division, so Larry needs to be able to take next step or we're at disadvantage
Witten  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2014 3:12 pm : link
is 100 years old in football terms and has lesser stats than Donnell.

He's a better blocker than Donnell, but I wouldn't cite Witten anymore as something the Giants need to keep up with.
RE: Donnell  
arcarsenal : 12/26/2014 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12054330 DonGMen said:
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We have Ertz & Whitten in our division, so Larry needs to be able to take next step or we're at disadvantage


Ertz?

Outside of his last game where Sanchez targeted him a whopping 18 times, he has mostly been a non factor this year. In 12 of his 14 other games he was held under 50 yards recieving and has caught 5 or more passes only two times all year long.

Ertz is not much of a benchmark.
Reese  
wash88 : 12/26/2014 3:21 pm : link
Made big mistake signing only
1 year..now that he showed
talent he'll want $$$!
Donnell is  
SHO'NUFF : 12/26/2014 3:26 pm : link
soft.
Donnell  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2014 3:27 pm : link
is an ERFA (exclusive rights free agent) after the season.

Which is even more restrictive than RFA.

Giants only need to offer the vet min to him (on a one year deal) and if they do, I believe he has to sign it.
stats  
jbeintherockies : 12/26/2014 3:38 pm : link
Donnell has 61 catches at this point, which is a lot more than he would have had in Gilbride's offense.

You know what is going to happen, by the time Donnell is as close to a complete player as he can be, he will sign with another team.
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It's not automatic, Donnell is back next year....  
Doomster : 12/26/2014 4:21 pm : link
6th in receptions, 12th in yardage, 6th in TD's....

He's a free agent....someone might make an attractive offer....
It's not automatic, Donnell is back next year....  
Doomster : 12/26/2014 4:21 pm : link
6th in receptions, 12th in yardage, 6th in TD's....

He's a free agent....someone might make an attractive offer....
He's an ERFA  
pjcas18 : 12/26/2014 4:45 pm : link
if the Giants want him, they just need to offer him vet min, and I believe his only choices are sign the offer or retire.
RE: It's not automatic, Donnell is back next year....  
CGiants07 : 12/26/2014 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12054457 Doomster said:
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6th in receptions, 12th in yardage, 6th in TD's....

He's a free agent....someone might make an attractive offer....

exclusive rights free agent I believe
RE: stats  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/26/2014 4:52 pm : link
In comment 12054369 jbeintherockies said:
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Donnell has 61 catches at this point, which is a lot more than he would have had in Gilbride's offense.


Do you believe 60 catches is more important than a TE who is a very good blocker that you can run and pass block with and only catches 40 passes?

Ideally you want a guy to bring both, but that is very rare. Players like Gronk or Jason Witten do not grow on trees.

The blocking aspect cannot be overlooked. In order for the team to get back to the consistent, powerful running game we all want them to be able to get back to, they obviously need to upgrade the line. But they also cannot have a TE who is going to play a lot of snaps and be a near zero in that area.



RE: in his third NFL season  
bradshaw44 : 12/26/2014 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12054148 pjcas18 said:
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Adrien Robinson has played 73 snaps.

That's less than off-the-street journeyman Kevin Ogletree who was only signed week 7.

It's pretty obvious it's no secret the Giants are not impressed with Robinson and I doubt he makes the team next year.

I know the Patriots are not a perfect franchise, but one thing they're good at is recognizing draft mistakes and moving on. they've had 2nd round busts with guys like Chad Jackson and Ras-I-Dowling and they didn't last through their rookie deals.

To say the Giants should or would keep Robinson because he's under contract and affordable (when he's shown zero in three seasons) is a terrible perspective on building a 53-man roster, and I hope the Giants don't share that point of view.


This about sums it up. Well put, pj.
If Donnell gains 100 yards or has 6 catches against the Eagles  
Marty in Albany : 12/26/2014 5:34 pm : link
I might believe that the Giants truly think of Donnell as a starter.
I agree with the Giants  
mrvax : 12/26/2014 5:50 pm : link
take on Donnell. Oddly enough, the few times Fells gets a chance, he does well also. Several nice catches by him this year.

I'm baffled by the Giants still supplying a roster spot for Robinson. C'mon. It's been 3 freegin' years already. Give it up.
I agree it's the kiss of death.  
TC : 12/26/2014 6:24 pm : link
I realize I'm the only guy not in love Donnell. But while he has good size and athleticism, to my eyes he just looks like a guy playing our of position to whom nothing comes naturally. Fells, who isn't that much of a talent, even looks more natural at TE.

However, if the price is right, he's coming back because the draft isn't full of TE talent, and I don't see the Giants forking over big FA bucks for some other team's.


This means....  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 12/26/2014 7:19 pm : link
don't expect them to focus on the TE position during the off season.

Whatever, Julius Thomas is a free agent right? Donnell can be the #2 TE
Donnell Seems Like A Solid #2 TE  
Trainmaster : 12/26/2014 7:50 pm : link
Robinson looks terrible. Donnell looks more like a 4th round pick and Robinson looks like the UDFA / camp fodder.

Robinson  
Dragon : 12/26/2014 10:56 pm : link
I for one still can't understand why he is still on the team. He went from the primary starter during offseason to a forgotten man this entire season again. I wanted to see him on the field but he was always just a one play or two per game if that. When he has the ball in his hands he appears to be the only TE on this team who is not falling to the ground. The last few weeks were a golden opportunity to use him and once again he was just a five to ten plays a game guy why? It's just very hard for me to understand how this player can be on this team for three years and we still don't know what he can or can't to at the TE position.""
Robinson is an awful NFL player. And it didn't take 3 years to learn  
Jimmy Googs : 12/26/2014 11:11 pm : link
that...it took three years to finally stop ignoring it.
You guys are right, Donnell is an ERFA.....  
Doomster : 12/27/2014 10:00 am : link
So, they can sign him for vet min....but will that backfire, if he develops next year, and is a free agent? Could this be another Bennett situation?

I don't know...right now, he can't block at all.....he tends to go down awkwardly....and there are the fumble issues....only the Giants have an idea of how good this guy is and can be.....But like I said, if they force him to accept vet min, it can go against them the following year...
I have been very impressed with Fells  
Jay on the Island : 12/27/2014 11:16 am : link
all season. He is a much better receiver than I expected and he is the best blocking TE on the roster. I hope he is back as well but the Giants definitely need to add another two way TE during the draft.
RE: Vernon Davis  
Giants2012 : 12/27/2014 11:26 am : link
In comment 12054256 GMANinDC said:
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I can the Pats landing him. Brady would he Davis and Gronk.
Clive Walford  
bigblueheadache : 12/27/2014 7:38 pm : link
In Round Three. Let him push Donnell and provide more of a two-way TE threat.
Call me crazy  
SGMen : 12/28/2014 3:41 am : link
I think Donnell can be a 75-850-10 type of TE due to his large frame. He is still raw and will only get better.

The guy I'm really hoping comes on and finally shows us something is TE Robinson. He has deep speed you rarely find. I totally realize he hasn't done much in limited duty but I have hope.

I mean, if Robinson did come on we'd have a solid 1-2 punch at TE for 2015.
Call me crazy  
SGMen : 12/28/2014 3:46 am : link
I think Donnell can be a 75-850-10 type of TE due to his large frame. He is still raw and will only get better.

The guy I'm really hoping comes on and finally shows us something is TE Robinson. He has deep speed you rarely find. I totally realize he hasn't done much in limited duty but I have hope.

I mean, if Robinson did come on we'd have a solid 1-2 punch at TE for 2015.
Call me crazy  
SGMen : 12/28/2014 3:41 am : link
I think Donnell can be a 75-850-10 type of TE due to his large frame. He is still raw and will only get better.

The guy I'm really hoping comes on and finally shows us something is TE Robinson. He has deep speed you rarely find. I totally realize he hasn't done much in limited duty but I have hope.

I mean, if Robinson did come on we'd have a solid 1-2 punch at TE for 2015.
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