JPP: "I'm worth a lot"

Good luck somewhere else next year.

the sack and pressures were a bit inconsistent but have come on late. He is the most talented player on our defense.
Replacing him would be a HUGE ordeal. that is a fact not an opinion.
So if we in 2 yrs let linval and JPP walk... then what is the point of the draft and development. He is an elite 2 way DE. when paired with another DE that actually gets pressure, his game has elevated as well.
he is the #1 priority this offseason and an early strong offer makes the most sense before another 4-3 team with cap space comes in with a big one.

Free agent class is not deep and he is probably the best available. He is young and did have a solid year. He seems to have a pretty good attitude and gets along with Coughlin. Can't expect a rookie DE to come in and pick up the slack. Moore hasn't received the reps we were hoping for, Ayers is coming off of injury, Kiwi probably on his way out. Wynn is young and unproven.

Reese is willing to invest in the position. I think he returns

What a joke.

In comment 12054658 hitdog42 said:

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the sack and pressures were a bit inconsistent but have come on late. He is the most talented player on our defense. Replacing him would be a HUGE ordeal. that is a fact not an opinion. So if we in 2 yrs let linval and JPP walk... then what is the point of the draft and development. He is an elite 2 way DE. when paired with another DE that actually gets pressure, his game has elevated as well. he is the #1 priority this offseason and an early strong offer makes the most sense before another 4-3 team with cap space comes in with a big one.

I get your point but worst than letting a player like him walk is paying a player that doesn't give it his all every game. This has been reported numerous times that he doesn't put in the necessary work all year round. He has had back problems. In 2011 he was amazing. Since then he has been anything but amazing. Don't let these last few weeks fool you. I would love for him to be a player of JJ Watt's caliber but I don't trust him getting paid. Obviously the Giants have a better feel for him than we do but I wouldn't be upset if he left. We need a whole change on defense. We have had some of our worst defense ever with him on the team. I'm not saying he is the sole reason but his money, imo, can be better used across the whole defense.

SUH!

On one hand, he is the best player on this defense (when he decides to show up) and if we let him go, he's got to be replaced, and that's just one more hole this team doesn't need.

On the other hand, as robbie mentioned, his work ethic has been a question and he's had back issues. Plus, and this is completely opinionated, but I'm uncomfortable with his attitude moving forward. He has given the impression on multiple occasions that he is all about the money, which I can't say I blame him, but I just have a major feeling that once he gets his payday, he's got nothing else to motivate him, and will be a shell of his former self.

He scares me, but I THINK I would take a chance on him. Only because we cannot afford NOT to. It's a risk, for sure, but we have no choice with everything else this team needs.

that while JPP was not getting a lot of sacks early on he was getting pretty good pressure in the earlier parts of the season. I am hoping we can find a way to keep him because I don't think we'll find anybody better. I won't be too upset if we decide to go another direction though. I have to admit when I see a player like errors have the season he was having it gives me a lot of reason to think about why we should be spending 15 million a year or more on someone like JPP.

Ayers, not errors.

Good luck to you!

don't run the Read-Option play too often...

that he improved more toward the end of the year due to his recovery from that back injury?

In any case, the Giants will pay a lot to keep him. Probably an incentive laden deal worth up to $12M per. It all depends on if some team wants to top that. If so, sadly he's gone. We need the guy.

who do you get to replace him... and dont say SuH because he is looking for JJ Watt money..

this guy getting paid and proceeding to put on about 40 pounds within the next 2 seasons. I really, really hope they don't break the bank.

-I fear some team will

isn't that of a difference-maker.

The biggest problem we have with him is that he truly believes he plays great and he doesn't.

And the risk of his play declining when he signs up to a big money deal seems fairly high imo.

from players that you just dont want to see. Things like this dont need to hit the media but once they do makes it sound like exactly what it is. "Im gonna take the most money anyone gives to me simple as that. Im playing FOR THE MONEY". See ya JPP, it was nice knowing ya before you make $12million per year and half ass it whenever you feel like....Oh wait?

whatever teams with a large amount of cap space and must win now mentality are willing to throw at him.

In comment 12054672 Blue Blood said:

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who do you get to replace him... and dont say SuH because he is looking for JJ Watt money..

This isn't a vacuum. It isn't about replacing him. Who are we getting on D to fix our problem? Who are our safeties next year? Who are our LB? Our pass rushers? Corners outside of Prince and DRC? It is about putting a TEAM together. Paying him a ton of money means holes on our starting D and no depth. How has that worked out for us since 2011? It isn't about replacing him alone but rather the team as a whole.

in OAKLAND!

Suh and Jerry Hughes to replace JPP + Kiwi, the difference will be worthwhile.
Also grab a DE prospect in top 3 rounds as Damontre hasnt progressed much other than being a question mark again in 2015.

And then trade him for 1st and 3rd round picks from a team willing to give him a long term deal. It would mean him taking up $15M in cap room in the meantime and there is the risk that a trade isn't worked out and he winds up playing the year under that salary--which would be problematic, but it would beat letting him walk away for nothing.

Franchising him also because more realistic if the Giants are able to work out an extension for Eli.

in winning. Pay the man, he is 25 and one of the best in the business.You have to be nuts to let him walk

I can't swear the same for JPP. Let him go to the bathroom somewhere else. Boo hoo to fans that want to sign a player to an outrageous contracts and then when it all blows up they complain about cap hell. This guy had a poor past 2 years . I don't want a run stopper being paid big bucks

In comment 12054672 Blue Blood said:

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who do you get to replace him... and dont say SuH because he is looking for JJ Watt money..

The holes on the D are SIGNIFICANT. Yes, his departure creates another one, but the money that would have been spent on him can be used to fill others.

But I'm definitely in the camp that he thinks he's a bit overrated, and fattened up his stats on weak competition

In comment 12054695 Headhunter said:

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in winning. Pay the man, he is 25 and one of the best in the business.You have to be nuts to let him walk

bingo.

When you get a second true pass rusher in the opposite side of him. Kiwi playing so much allows an opposing team to dedicate more people to JPP. I will chach this up to Perry Fewell/Coughlin not playing younger players.

In comment 12054704 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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When you get a second true pass rusher in the opposite side of him. Kiwi playing so much allows an opposing team to dedicate more people to JPP. I will chach this up to Perry Fewell/Coughlin not playing younger players.

JPP hasn't been double teamed a lot. Read Fewell's transcripts from the past three years. He always talks about our defenders not winning their one on one matchups. This extra attention talk is a fallacy. Yes, he gets chipped every now and then but not on a regular basis. Even his breakout year during our super bowl run almost all of his sacks came after three seconds meaning they were more coverage sacks than anything else.

regardless of who the DC is on opening day 2015.

and JPP has was left out on an island this year and the past couple of years was opposite an oft-injured Tuck.

defense looks a hell of a lot better when you can rush the passer...took a decade to finally get someone (Osi) worth a damn opposite Strahan.

More power to him. I just don't think he's worth it. He's definitely an above average de, but not the kind of player you want to hang your financial hat on.

of the season was based on a few factors.

1)Hankins. JPP talks about him all the time. I think he is the "brains" of the operation on the right side. esp with twists and stunts. plus i read an interview where JPP said that when he calls it out, Hank will correct him sometime "communicating is good" etc. This isn't awful. He is relatively new to football and may not have the highest football IQ. Also, Hankins has been very productive and disruptive rushing from the inside. which leads to

2) More production from the line in general. Moore may not be a full time player yet, but he causes havoc when he rushes the passer. a LB that can blitz effectively has been huge plus Jenkins back, Ayers playing well, Hank etc. There has been overall more pressure. That leads to the QB in a frantic pocket with trouble all around. Gives JPP an extra second. I saw he was getting decent pressure early in the season, just not sacks. Additionally, he has played with great effort all year. not always smart, but great effort and hustle. with some help it is now translating into sacks. Also, JPP has played A LOT. Check out his snap counts. He plays almost every play.

3) Level of Comp. It's true. It's not the only factor, but it needs to be acknowledged.

4) The Offense has been playing better, controlling the clock, scoring points. It creates more favorable conditions to rush the passer

5) It hink when Ayers went down, ppl were saying the giants lost their best pass rusher, and then there was this ground swell for Moore, and how great he was, and he was the next great thing. I think that was a kick in the pride, and it flipped a switch

Heres the rub. Is this effort strictly in pursuit of a new contract, or does he wanna be a great player, or the best player he can be. That's the question.

Another thing i have noticed, in interviews, sights and sounds, and in game...JPP has really started to embrace a leadership role. Again, sometimes you wish he was a little smarter about the stuff he says, buthe has leadership qualities, and he rallies the DL

says JPP is above average, but not elite. the question is whether Reese is going to treat him like Rolle (several years ago) - overpaying to get (or in this case, keep) him on the team, or does he treat him like LJo, saying thanks for the memories, but our idea of your worth and yours are too far apart?

Personally, I don't think he's good enough to pay the money he's going to expect.

health and practice. He didn't play much or at a high level the last 2 years. missed games, plays, and practice. by all accounts he practices like a demon. There is a lot he is still learning about the game, and the experience is helping him

comparison is apt. The Giants were up against the cap last year, and had a replacement on hand. I don't think they even made an offer, or effort to keep him. Everyone liked him and he was a good player, i just think they were not in a position to have a second contract DT, at that point.

I view this as a rebuilding year, and i think the FO did, as well, tho they will never admit it. Last year they had to purge the roster, retool young, and set themselves up to finish the job in 2015. I think it was always a 2 year plan which would only be disrupted by an absolute failure, quitting of the team.

They are in position add some peices on both sides, this year. With luck, health, and continued development, the offense should be pretty good next year. A few peices on D and a new coordinator and the team should compete for the East, and seriously contend for a playoff spot.

In comment 12054696 mamamia said:

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I can't swear the same for JPP. Let him go to the bathroom somewhere else. Boo hoo to fans that want to sign a player to an outrageous contracts and then when it all blows up they complain about cap hell. This guy had a poor past 2 years . I don't want a run stopper being paid big bucks

yeah he sucks he just played with a back injury all last year.. he has no heart at all..

I can't see him getting away, and then us being sorry that he was playing on another team and not ours. For the money he is going to demand, the guy is just not a game changer. Let him go.

like he is going to the highest bidder, which is fine. I never fault a player for wanting more money. At times he can be dominant, and right now is probably the best DE in the game against the run. But he has had injury concerns, still has problems with contain, doesn't have the greatest array of pass rush moves, and has racked up a lot of sacks against putrid OLs.

I'd probably let him go, and would not get into a bidding war. There are some good DEs in the draft including Fowler, Dupree, Za'Darius Smith, the kid with the unpronounceable name from UCLA, Eli Harold, and Ray Drew.

JPPs loss can also be mitigated by drafting another mauling DT, like Carl Davis from Iowa. He and Hankins can occupy the guards and tackles, so the DEs get single attention, and the LBs stay clean to rush or cover.

You don't pay DEs elite money for stopping the run, period. He can go nurse his injuries somewhere else.

they way fans get so personally wrapped up in what a player makes.. a player you like.. damn the torpedoes !!! to hell with the salary cap..

The Giants should have signed Linval Joseph no matter the cost !!!!!!!!!

Player you dont like... run him out of town on a rail !!!!

To hell with JPP let him go !!!!!!!!!

Hilarious..

The Giants have one option it's very simple now, just three weeks past JPP was having a decent season as a RDE nothing more. Now because he has gotten 5+ sacks in the past weeks he is now a great DE. Just like this teams performance has it seems improved now he also feels so has his value.

The Giants need to make a contract offer to JPP with a deadline for him to accept it before FA starts. They cannot get into a bidding war or wait for him to decide this is the best offer for me once FA starts. On JR knows his value is for JPP but if we waste time during FA then it will for sure hurt the chances to improve the team. I did not see JPP resigning before now with this I'm valuable attitude it's become almost sure thing that he is gone.

Everything he said about Jacobs, Tuck and Osi should give us all the proof that this team can and will say goodbye to players who have overvalued themselves. He will be missed but I just don't see a 13-17 mil dollar player and he has had three years to show us and failed in all three. Giants for most of the season did not have a PR and in the last several games its been a team effort accounting for sacks. We don't even have to draft or sign a big name player we just need to address the position in the draft and FA. Thirteen mil plus is a lot of CAP space to work with you are talking about anywhere from three to five players not just one. We also have to do something with Eli so I don't expect a big name signing but maybe six to eight moves in FA.

I'd like to see the Giants try moving him to LDE, a la Strahan, and take a shot with Moore/Wynn/Ayers and/or someone new at RDE

worked out quite well with Michael Strahan, maybe the same results with JPP?

When he's never once been a dominant player. Maybe the most over paid Giant in years. He gets 4 holding penalties and is lauded. But JPP who is most likely the most talented player on the team should be allowed to walk if he wants to get paid

Yeah. He should settle for the vet minimum so Reese can over pay more Beason's or some other shit player who will never be good but will have the BBI GMs telling us he's one of best. Yeah great two way DEs grow on trees. I wonder how many posters would take a few million less of it was them?

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I'd like to see the Giants try moving him to LDE, a la Strahan, and take a shot with Moore/Wynn/Ayers and/or someone new at RDE worked out quite well with Michael Strahan, maybe the same results with JPP?

agree we also need a DE who will get back to moving guys around to create mismatches..

He was so good as a rookie, then disappeared for a long time - at first because of injury - and then reappeared against lame teams. I'll let the coaches and JR put the right price tag on him. I'm clueless and have no rooting interest either way.

But in the end he is going to get roughly a 5 year $55 million dollar deal with the giants. Say what you want about his consistency, but letting him walk creates a gaping hole in an already bad defense. I dont think filling his spot with two or three JAGS is the answer.

not going anywhere. At least not for a year. He'll be franchised if it comes down to it, and they'll see how he plays for a full year next year

and the Giants have the cap space to fit him in.

for making him a Giant his rookie year?

I'm sure he will be willing to sign a team friendly deal.

Just kidding.

JPP is by far our best player on defense. I love how everybody that wants the Giants to let him walk because he wants to get paid because he is racking up the sacks in the last 3 weeks, will probably be the same people asking next year why we can't stop the run, why we can't rush the passer. If you he watched the Giants this year you would have seen JPP getting 2 sacks against Tyron Smith, considered one of the top Tackles in the NFL. He chased down RG 3 from the opposite side of the field preventing what looked like a TD, only to be over turned and called a touchback. The effort level and athletic ability combined is hard to find. His technique has improved. He is still very young and had come a long way. I think his best years are ahead of him. Imagine him in another uniform next year, any team other than NY....it would suck if he left.

Not only will he command way more than JPP, he is arguably the dirtiest player in the league. I don't see Mara giving the green light.

In comment 12054800 Rjanyg said:

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JPP is by far our best player on defense. I love how everybody that wants the Giants to let him walk because he wants to get paid because he is racking up the sacks in the last 3 weeks, will probably be the same people asking next year why we can't stop the run, why we can't rush the passer. If you he watched the Giants this year you would have seen JPP getting 2 sacks against Tyron Smith, considered one of the top Tackles in the NFL. He chased down RG 3 from the opposite side of the field preventing what looked like a TD, only to be over turned and called a touchback. The effort level and athletic ability combined is hard to find. His technique has improved. He is still very young and had come a long way. I think his best years are ahead of him. Imagine him in another uniform next year, any team other than NY....it would suck if he left.

Would it still suck if they were paying him $15M/year with $35M guaranteed and he missed half the year with back problems and/or knee and/or shoulder issues? Or would you be sitting there saying, "I'm glad it's them and not us"?

These are the guys JPP is going to demand that he be paid like....

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J.J. Watt $16,667,571 Mario Williams $16,000,000 Robert Quinn $14,253,724 Greg Hardy $13,116,000 Charles Johnson $12,666,667

And some idiot team is going to pay him like that, too. Which is why my hope is that they will be able to work out a trade that involves a 1st round pick and more so that he doesn't get away for nothing.

Listening to JPP, it sounds like this is heading towards a franchise tag situation. I don't think the Giants will allow him to enter free agency unencumbered and it doesn't sound like he will agree to a long term deal without first seeing what the market offers.

I love Jpp, he's is all hustle, he's in 90% of the plays. He hardly ever comes off the field. With a new defensive coordinator Jpp is going to get 15+ sacks next year.

Perry fewell is an asshole for not helping his dline.

And trade him for a pick?

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And trade him for a pick?

Yes.

if the Giants can't come to terms with him, or at least reasonably close that they have a shot, he'll walk.


The team won't use the tag, and the associated cost of holding the player if nothing happens, as leverage. They've only used the tag one way since it's inception, as a placeholder with a player that they are close to, but not yet, reaching mutual terms with.

The history of this team on this matter is clear.

That's news to me.

I wouldn't break the bank for him.

Team..Eli (for now) and Beckham. JPP isn't one of them..good player and all, but as Carl banks has said.." He's a magician" here one game and gone the next.

JPP and Suh. Suh by himself would make Hankins. JPP and Moore the best defensive front in football. And the Giants would rarely have to blitz
That was their recipe to success in 2011. Did not need to blitz

when Suh wants JJ Watt money ??

In comment 12054758 LauderdaleMatty said:

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When he's never once been a dominant player. Maybe the most over paid Giant in years. He gets 4 holding penalties and is lauded. But JPP who is most likely the most talented player on the team should be allowed to walk if he wants to get paid Yeah. He should settle for the vet minimum so Reese can over pay more Beason's or some other shit player who will never be good but will have the BBI GMs telling us he's one of best. Yeah great two way DEs grow on trees. I wonder how many posters would take a few million less of it was them?

There is so much wrong with this post, though I'm not surprised. You apparently didn't watch the game. Beatty played VERY well. 2 of the penalties were questionable, at best, and the last one wasn't even on him. They called the wrong number, so he only had 3. He contained one of the best pass rushers in football to where we didn't hear his name all game long. And $8 million for an above average LT is NOT an overwhelming amount.

Also, JPP will get almost TWICE that. Now, I've already stated in this thread that I'd prolly still sign him, but using Beatty and his 4 penalty game as proof that those that wouldn't are clueless, well, like I said, I'm not surprised.

impact player. He is a very good player and their best DL, but not a game wrecker. And he probably belongs at LDE where his run defending is more important. If someone offers him a stupid contract they have to let him walk.

Bright guy too huh ;-)? "I'm worth a lot"

what JPP has to say. He ain't a gifted orator. We have to wait and see what he and his agent think he's worth.

Ralph exaggerates his importance at the bus company

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in winning. Pay the man, he is 25 and one of the best in the business.You have to be nuts to let him walk

^^^THIS x1000

Love the assumptions many are making that we'll use the money to fill other holes on the D when not resigning JPP creates the biggest one. Too funny.

and allow some dovetail action in the other contracts while he will be able to continue to shop himself

is disrespectful to Watt

but I see a lot of conversations here involving absolutes.

I'm pretty sure that the team wants to resign him and they have a number in mind. The approach has to be holistic to the team's needs.

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JPP had 16 sacks this year....That's one sack per game.....shouldn't he get big money?

But what did he do the rest of the game?

Watch old videos of Strahan....he didn't allow runs to his side.....and he was always making an effort, to push that tackle towards the qb, even if he didn't get to him....

Watch JPP...many times he is neutralized by a big tackle hitting him first......he doesn't have the motor Strahan had....but then, who does....

I see one, maybe two moves from JPP.....that's about it....if he doesn't beat his man with speed, he is neutralized....yes, he is a better than average DE....but if he wants big bucks, I'd rather get two good players, than spend it on him.....if he was a force all these years, then he would deserve those big bucks.....I saw a guy in big games, handled one on one.....when they didn't count anymore against lesser teams, he looks better....who wouldn't?

Operate. They will put a valuation on the position and see if JPP will sign a contract that fits into that valuation. If not he's gone period. I don't see it happening because of his age and "potential" someone will back up the Brinks truck to his doorstep.

But I have a feeling someone would likely.overpay for him

you can't hamstring your roster finances for one guy. It's that simple. Just saying "pay the man" ignores the fact that you may not be able to pay him what he wants. If someone's else is able to, he will go there. He has said so.

on target. Happy Holidays to you!

In comment 12054863 Earl the goat said:

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JPP and Suh. Suh by himself would make Hankins. JPP and Moore the best defensive front in football. And the Giants would rarely have to blitz That was their recipe to success in 2011. Did not need to blitz

The Giants cap indicates it is very possible for both. IMO, i would pay more short term to keep options open long term.

JPP is young, a physical stud, and improving. Remember Strahan wasn't always Strahan either. He is the least of our worries and we need him. Why open another hole, and likely fill it with a project or an older guy on the downswing.

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JPP is young, a physical stud, and improving.

Improving? Not sure how you can say that. He was able to play all season which is why his sack numbers are up, but he has shown very little in improvement in his overall skill set in 4 years.

JPP clearly has talent but his immaturity, big mouth, lack of consistency and tendency to get injured all add up to red flags in determining his price tag for a team with numerous holes to fill.

Look for a very, very nice offer from Giants that will not be enough to keep him from the crazy money someone will throw him...

We've got one good DT. We've got nothing for certain at LB- hopefully Kennard will be a good player next year. JPP walks and our DEs are Ayers, Moore and Wynn. That's a scary front 7 to go into the offseason with. Final year of a 2 year rebuild? Good luck with that.

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JPP is young, a physical stud, and improving. Remember Strahan wasn't always Strahan either. He is the least of our worries and we need him. Why open another hole, and likely fill it with a project or an older guy on the downswing.

Well, i think the decision is to allocate those dollars for a player perceived to be worth the dollars. I don't believe fans want to see JPP walk without allocating the dollars towards a Suh type player. You're right about Strahan though.

I hadn't heard that before but if he has been playing all year with a stinger would that change peoples opinions who are saying he's just turning it on now against weak competition to pad stats?

where the team is hurt next season by choosing either option of letting him walk and therefore losing him, or overpaying him elite money to keep him.

Only if he accepts a reasonable offer to stay do the Giants gain from him next season.

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not going anywhere. At least not for a year. He'll be franchised if it comes down to it, and they'll see how he plays for a full year next year

Taking into account his personality, JPP is exactly the guy you DON'T franchise. He's a big baby, and he'll piss/whine the entire season. It will cause a lot of bad blood...

And this team has a lot of holes to fill on defense..

then why is Eli's numbers being touted as an improvement? He took the field too against those lesser opponents and put up his best numbers. Players put up numbers against who is in front of them. It is ridiculous to try to short change them when discussing their contracts.

Someone will pay him 14 mil and he will jump.... And you can't blame him. Then it will be interesting to see how he plays at 295 lbs... In Jacksonville.

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I hadn't heard that before but if he has been playing all year with a stinger would that change peoples opinions who are saying he's just turning it on now against weak competition to pad stats?

Probably, but it only adds to the concern that he cannot stay healthy at all. Back, neck, shoulder, stinger issues in just the past 18 months.

Tough game and if it means he has 8-10 games per year where we get nothing impactful from him then this is actually an easy decision.

The Giants will have the opportunity to re-sign JPP before he hits the market. I think, deep down he wants to remain a Giant. I'm fairly certain he'll accept a reasonable longterm deal with a home town discount.

Suh on the other hand isn't taking less to play for the Giants. Other than financial gain there no real incentive for him come here. The defense is middle of the pack. He isnt coming here for Perry Fewell. So Giants would have to compete with many other teams for his services. The price for Suh will be exorbitant.

There odds of the Giants signing Suh? I'd say slim to none.

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I'm fairly certain he'll accept a reasonable longterm deal with a home town discount.

This is a ridiculous statement...

What he did for his family while in college says a lot about his perseverance, his loyalty and character. Deep down JPP is a family man, with new born baby. He loves being a Giant. I dont think being paid top dollar is his motivation.

when Romo had around 8 seconds to throw on back to back plays...we knew he was going to throw and we got ZERO pressure on him. IMO you can't tie up huge money in a guy who is going to underachieve against division rivals when the game is on the line. But, that's just me.

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And then trade him for 1st and 3rd round picks from a team willing to give him a long term deal. It would mean him taking up $15M in cap room in the meantime and there is the risk that a trade isn't worked out and he winds up playing the year under that salary--which would be problematic, but it would beat letting him walk away for nothing. Franchising him also because more realistic if the Giants are able to work out an extension for Eli.

True. And for those who say "it's not the Giants way...they have never done that before". There's a first time for everything and it is lined up now to be the perfect solution IF they cannot reach an agreement with JPP's agent.

If JPP doesn't sign for a reasonable number, you slap the franchise tag on him. So you may overpay for one year - at least you control an asset that you can potentially trade for draft picks.

I think overpaying for one year is a hell of a lot smarter than overpaying for five to six years.

In my opinion you can't let him walk - slap the tag on him and let the chips fall where they may.

Wynn - Suh - Hankins - Moore

or

Paul - Jenkins - Hankins - Moore

The 1st option looks a little more attractive to me.

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You don't pay DEs elite money for stopping the run, period. He can go nurse his injuries somewhere else.

He plays through his injuries.

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then why is Eli's numbers being touted as an improvement? He took the field too against those lesser opponents and put up his best numbers. Players put up numbers against who is in front of them. It is ridiculous to try to short change them when discussing their contracts.

I think what cemented Eli's (and the whole offense's) improvement credentials was the 37 points against a Rams defense that had just gone 12 quarters without giving up a TD.

Going to want 13-16 mil per, sorry but can't pay him that. Is he a top TALENT at DE in the NFL? Yes, but he does not get all out of his talent and physical abilities. He is in no way worth Watt money, frankly no one is. JJ Watt is in a class of his own

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Wynn - Suh - Hankins - Moore or Paul - Jenkins - Hankins - Moore The 1st option looks a little more attractive to me.

Paul suh Hankins Moore sounds better to me