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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/28/2014 4:12 pm
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Eric...I certainly hope the decision  
MikeN in Ottawa : 12/28/2014 4:41 pm : link
was made on Fewell...I hope he gets canned tomorrow. That being said, Quinn has got to go also. If they keep Quinn and fire Fewell, it shows me the Giants front office is not really watching what is going on.

Even with a guy like Beckham, our special teams contribute nothing.
Mara had some serious comments after last season..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 12/28/2014 4:41 pm : link
when we won 7 games. What do you think his approach will be this year? Will he be as pissed off and will be talking about changes again?

My take is that he will say although we finished worse than last year, he has a better feeling about this team than he did about last year's team. This year, he will feel that our team is better than what our record shows and that we are not THAT far away. Some minor tweaking vs major overhaul.
TE is low priority as usual  
mrvax : 12/28/2014 4:42 pm : link
I know, I know, everyone wants a great 2 way TE. It ain't gunna happen. Donnell will work hard on his blocking during the off season as will Fells. We have a LOT more priorities than TE. Our are OK right now and likely will improve. Robinson is a goner as he should have never made it to the roster out of camp.

John Conner should have had that last slot that was pissed away on AR.
RE: I think  
Tom in NY : 12/28/2014 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12057585 Eric from BBI said:
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the decision on Fewell was made a few weeks ago.


Fully agree Eric.
TC knows it too, and is probably just trying to protect his coach from any criticism
RE: TE is low priority as usual  
Mason : 12/28/2014 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12057617 mrvax said:
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I know, I know, everyone wants a great 2 way TE. It ain't gunna happen. Donnell will work hard on his blocking during the off season as will Fells. We have a LOT more priorities than TE. Our are OK right now and likely will improve. Robinson is a goner as he should have never made it to the roster out of camp.

John Conner should have had that last slot that was pissed away on AR.


Sorry but I think Conner won the job outright. Take a look at this season for Hynoski. What was the point?
RE: Need more then one OL  
St. Jimmy : 12/28/2014 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12057488 BigBlueCane said:
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as a starer, can't rely on Schwartz to stay healthy.


Philly's gonna be a problem until Coughlin adjusts to dealing with them.
This shit will happen all the time unless their is a talent advantage between the Giants and Eagles. The Giants show up and play Giants football regardless of the opponent.
RE: Eric...I certainly hope the decision  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 12/28/2014 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12057612 MikeN in Ottawa said:
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Even with a guy like Beckham, our special teams contribute nothing.


Beckham should not be out there. In fact, that decision over the last few weeks simply bothered me. He (next to Eli) is the franchise. Why would you risk having him get hurt on punt returns? Do you see Dez Bryant or some of the other top WRs returning punts? Maybe Brown on Pitt but that is all.
RE: RE: TE is low priority as usual  
mrvax : 12/28/2014 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12057632 Mason said:
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Sorry but I think Conner won the job outright. Take a look at this season for Hynoski. What was the point?


I agree that Conner was a good player. Sort of a moot point but Robinson had no business making the 2014 team.
Sounds like Rolle is expecting to return  
Mason : 12/28/2014 4:46 pm : link
I wonder if he is taking a team deal.
Hopefully, Rolle takes a team friendly deal  
PetesHereNow : 12/28/2014 4:47 pm : link
he would have had a game turning int in the first half if Mike Harris hadn't knocked it away from him.

I think he still has gas in the tank, and would look much better with a better defensive coordinator.
RE: RE: Need more then one OL  
Mason : 12/28/2014 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12057633 St. Jimmy said:
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In comment 12057488 BigBlueCane said:


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as a starer, can't rely on Schwartz to stay healthy.


Philly's gonna be a problem until Coughlin adjusts to dealing with them.

This shit will happen all the time unless their is a talent advantage between the Giants and Eagles. The Giants show up and play Giants football regardless of the opponent.


Chip Kelly has been talking about the Giants blocking scheme for over a year now. I still expect Flaherty to make a bigger comment about it.
RE: RE: RE: TE is low priority as usual  
Mason : 12/28/2014 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12057648 mrvax said:
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In comment 12057632 Mason said:


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Sorry but I think Conner won the job outright. Take a look at this season for Hynoski. What was the point?



I agree that Conner was a good player. Sort of a moot point but Robinson had no business making the 2014 team.


I still like Robinson as the blocking TE. Donnell for me really regress during the season. Robinson isn't athletic as I thought. But I really thought his blocking really picked up and I notice that he is in there on 3rd and short and goal line packages. Donnell's is abysmal but that seems to be a league problem with these young TEs. I want the kid from Oregon but I think he is even a worse blocker than Donnell.
Falcons down 10 at the minute.  
bigbluescot : 12/28/2014 4:52 pm : link
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Teams  
Doomster : 12/28/2014 4:53 pm : link
that lose 7 in a row and can't beat opposing teams with winning records, need more than a tweak....

I have to take that back......Houston beat Jax, something we couldn't do, and finished 9-7, although, do we beat them if Foster was healthy and played?

If Fewell returns, it means ownership/management sees nothing wrong with the defensive philosophy of this team....
RE: You can fluff off the interception,  
BobbyJohnson_4thand17 : 12/28/2014 4:53 pm : link
In comment 12057593 Doomster said:
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that it was done in a meaningless game....however, you can't escape the fact that it was another careless throw that Eli has thrown for the last three seasons...it was second down, throw it away, but instead, he heaves it up...he did not have a good game....should have had more than one int today....25 incompletions? Not acceptable....


Doomster, which one is it? If Eli threw the ball away would that count as one of the incompletions that pissed you off? You're a dunce. Btw, take a look at these stats, why don't you pine away on the number of completions Drew Brees had today:

24 for 38 for 281 63.2% 7.40 1td 3ints
RE: Teams  
dep026 : 12/28/2014 4:53 pm : link
In comment 12057694 Doomster said:
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that lose 7 in a row and can't beat opposing teams with winning records, need more than a tweak....

I have to take that back......Houston beat Jax, something we couldn't do, and finished 9-7, although, do we beat them if Foster was healthy and played?

If Fewell returns, it means ownership/management sees nothing wrong with the defensive philosophy of this team....


Do we beat them by more if OBJ plays?
RE: Mara had some serious comments after last season..  
mdc1 : 12/28/2014 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12057614 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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when we won 7 games. What do you think his approach will be this year? Will he be as pissed off and will be talking about changes again?

My take is that he will say although we finished worse than last year, he has a better feeling about this team than he did about last year's team. This year, he will feel that our team is better than what our record shows and that we are not THAT far away. Some minor tweaking vs major overhaul.


scared and lazy, do not expect much.
RE: RE: RE: Need more then one OL  
mdc1 : 12/28/2014 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12057666 Mason said:
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In comment 12057488 BigBlueCane said:


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as a starer, can't rely on Schwartz to stay healthy.


Philly's gonna be a problem until Coughlin adjusts to dealing with them.

This shit will happen all the time unless their is a talent advantage between the Giants and Eagles. The Giants show up and play Giants football regardless of the opponent.



Chip Kelly has been talking about the Giants blocking scheme for over a year now. I still expect Flaherty to make a bigger comment about it.


couple of points here, may not help to draft a top oline in round 1 given the poor results recently. Only do it if you can O'Flaherty, else load up on wide receivers (Cooper) and outscore your opponents
McAdoo  
BigBlueCane : 12/28/2014 5:00 pm : link
needs some greater input in regards to the design of the offense I think. At the very least Coughlin needs to examine how the running game is being implement because something isn't working.
This oline sucks  
GIANTSinDE : 12/28/2014 5:01 pm : link
And is not one player away. 1st & goal from the 4 & we call 3 straight pass plays tells you all you need to know. Zero push. Worst loss of the year for me.
draft Flowers  
BigBlueCane : 12/28/2014 5:01 pm : link
regardless of position.
When I heard Coughlin told Siragussa the  
St. Jimmy : 12/28/2014 5:04 pm : link
Giants need to establish the run in the second half, I knew the game was lost.

Started the second half run, run for 0 yards, short incomplete, blocked punt and the TD which was the difference in the game.
RE: When I heard Coughlin told Siragussa the  
mdc1 : 12/28/2014 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12057741 St. Jimmy said:
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Giants need to establish the run in the second half, I knew the game was lost.

Started the second half run, run for 0 yards, short incomplete, blocked punt and the TD which was the difference in the game.


That is because TC wanted to slow the game down (keep it close) so the Eagles offense cannot get on the field as he knows we can't stop them or Kelly scheme.
If they are thinking of moving  
bob in tx : 12/28/2014 5:13 pm : link
Pugh to LG then you can get a starting RT in 2nd or 3rd round-- Sambrailo or D. Williams. Fix the defense with better athletes like Shaq Thompson.the good thing is that 3-4 defense teams will be looking at Ray & Beasley, who should be there at #9.
Agree that OL sucks and is definitely more than one player away  
Red Dog : 12/28/2014 5:15 pm : link
They have two relatively promising young OLs in Pugh at RT and Richburg at C, plus possibly one veteran journeyman worth keeping in Schwartz at G, but all the rest need to be replaced.

For those keeping score at home, that's a minimum of TWO more starters including a "blue goose" OLT and another Guard, plus some decent depth including a veteran swing tackle and at least one guy who is a worthwhile back up at center.

The attitude of management towards the offensive line over the last three or four years has been simply indefensible, as Reese conceded after last season.

But Reese still really hasn't done much about fixing it. Just one first or second day draft choice last spring and signing a bunch of broken down rejects from other teams. This is really no different than what he and his draft team have been doing for the last several years. And as we saw again pretty much all season long, climaxing with the display of ineptitude against the Iggles, his fix still is not working.
RE: I think TC is going to battle for Perry  
D_Giants : 12/28/2014 5:17 pm : link
In comment 12057568 Mason said:
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Interesting. Maybe the injuries on the defensive will help Perry a lot.


The injuries only aggravate the most ridiculous defensive play calling. Remember Fewell's explanation for keeping his best two pass rushers off the field when Dallas drove down for the winning score? He didn't have one.
JPP Must be Franchised!!!!!  
geelabee : 12/28/2014 5:19 pm : link
I would do that ASAP...like tomorrow...work on a 6-7deal..:.if the Giants can't then trade him to an AFC team...as someone pointed out someone (I believe multiple teams) will offer $14-15 million per year(hopefully the Giants)...someone will offer multiple picks for a 25 year old stud DE...that is just scratching the surface on his ability...the Giants would be nuts...and Reece should be fired if they let a kid with type of ability get away for nothing.
RE: RE: When I heard Coughlin told Siragussa the  
D_Giants : 12/28/2014 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12057762 mdc1 said:
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In comment 12057741 St. Jimmy said:


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Giants need to establish the run in the second half, I knew the game was lost.

Started the second half run, run for 0 yards, short incomplete, blocked punt and the TD which was the difference in the game.



That is because TC wanted to slow the game down (keep it close) so the Eagles offense cannot get on the field as he knows we can't stop them or Kelly scheme.


With Fewell calling defensive plays, it didn't matter. I think the Giants coaching staff would prefer the perfectly "balanced" game to a W.
The problem is that TC has picked as bunch of awful Coordinators  
yatqb : 12/28/2014 5:24 pm : link
in his time here. So if Fewell goes, I'm not so comfortable leaving it to TC to pick our next one
Hoping Fewell and Quinn leave  
George : 12/28/2014 5:38 pm : link
We MUST address the LB position this off-season. And with more than just one addition.
I'm sure you all watch a lot of football  
GIANTSinDE : 12/28/2014 5:57 pm : link
Name another defense that blows coverage the way these guys do. Guys open by 25 or 30 yards. Inexcusable. Fewell must go.
RE: I'm sure you all watch a lot of football  
jeff57 : 12/28/2014 5:58 pm : link
In comment 12057926 GIANTSinDE said:
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Name another defense that blows coverage the way these guys do. Guys open by 25 or 30 yards. Inexcusable. Fewell must go.


Watch Atlanta.
RE: The problem is that TC has picked as bunch of awful Coordinators  
HomerJones45 : 12/28/2014 6:12 pm : link
In comment 12057811 yatqb said:
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in his time here. So if Fewell goes, I'm not so comfortable leaving it to TC to pick our next one
Fassel must have been a genius- he picked great coordinators. And with his ability to pick coordinators, he still goes unemployed.

Only on BBI are coaches evaluated based on coordinators.
JMara comment will be:  
old man : 12/28/2014 6:18 pm : link
"The defense is broken".
Whether he points to the DC or FO is yet to be seen.
Here's hoping JR gets some D players in FA and draft(OL as well), and TC gets a new DC, as in last year.
Defense  
stretch234 : 12/28/2014 6:30 pm : link
This defense started out this year with:

Prince, DRC, Rolle - 1st rd picks

Beason - 1st Rd pick

JPP, Patterson, Kiwi, Ayers - 1st rd picks

Hankins, Moore - 2nd & 3rd

Sorry, but this team has defensive talent, it has a DC who struggles to get the maximum out of these players
Banks  
BigBlueinDE : 12/28/2014 6:32 pm : link
was getting increasingly irritated over fans questioning front office decisions concerning cap space.



RE: I think  
BigBlueinDE : 12/28/2014 6:33 pm : link
In comment 12057585 Eric from BBI said:
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the decision on Fewell was made a few weeks ago.



Do you think he stays or goes? My feeling is that he goes, but it wouldn't surprise me if he goes.
How many opponent  
old man : 12/28/2014 6:43 pm : link
swing passes and passes down the middle to receivers who pick up 10 yards before you see a Giant defender, before mgmnt. figures out it's the SCHEME, and therefore the SCHEME designer?
Additionally:  
old man : 12/28/2014 6:46 pm : link
That is regardless of the QB.
From Aaron Rogers to Zack Mettenberger.
Jolly Perry and his Tampa 2 has to go.
RE: draft Flowers  
bigblueheadache : 12/28/2014 6:54 pm : link
In comment 12057731 BigBlueCane said:
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regardless of position.


I'm with you. Flowers looked great against SC. His man didn't get close to the QB. He's strong, athletic, and mean. We need guys like him. Take him and play at guard or tackle. Then draft another o-lineman in Rd 3. Use Rd. 2 for defense (Nate Orchard?).
I WONDER  
old man : 12/28/2014 6:56 pm : link
how many draft positions Philly lost by winning their Anti Odell SuperBowl?
Though 12 receptions is 'usually' not considered a D win, except in Philthy.
RE: RE: When I heard Coughlin told Siragussa the  
St. Jimmy : 12/28/2014 7:08 pm : link
In comment 12057762 mdc1 said:
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In comment 12057741 St. Jimmy said:


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Giants need to establish the run in the second half, I knew the game was lost.

Started the second half run, run for 0 yards, short incomplete, blocked punt and the TD which was the difference in the game.



That is because TC wanted to slow the game down (keep it close) so the Eagles offense cannot get on the field as he knows we can't stop them or Kelly scheme.
It list the game because it lead to the blocked punt because they were punting from inside the 20. The way to beat the Eagles is attack their secondary. The Eagles have won this year because if special teams and defensive scores. The "adjustments" to establish the run played right into the Eagles hands.

The same thinking lost the game vs. the Cowboys.
RE: 26 points at home  
Giants4246 : 12/28/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 12057600 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Should be enough to get the win!

Defense sucked when it mattered ...

10 penalties for over 100 yds ..,

Blocked punt for TD...,

Eli missed some big pass plays and the OL can't run block!


That pretty much sums it up and i'll add that there was a bunch of drops also.
Re: Eli ending with INt  
gmenatlarge : 12/28/2014 7:59 pm : link
How many times has Farve ended a season with INT
Been saying it since 2012  
djm : 12/28/2014 8:21 pm : link
The number one priority is to fix the fucking running game. Keep on settling for average and we won't go anywhere no matter who is at WR, QB or even on defense.

It's all about the running game. Williams is ok maybe he gets better. Jennings is ok maybe he stays healthy. The OL is ok at best.

You want to fix this defense? Keep it off the field.
see  
blue42 : 12/28/2014 8:21 pm : link
Demps backpedalling when the receiver in front of him already caught the ball?
I knew the game was over  
Bramton1 : 12/28/2014 8:29 pm : link
When Beckham had the big touchdown, and the defense let Philly match right down field for 3.
Eli may have thrown for a lot of yards but he really  
Jimmy Googs : 12/28/2014 8:48 pm : link
missed a lot of throws out there. Threw behind crossing recievers, missed a few seam routes to the Tight Ends by throwing too long, and took too long to get the ball out on several deep throws to Beckham.

He could have easily been picked 3 or 4 times today...
If TC stays  
wash88 : 12/28/2014 9:26 pm : link
Same results next year.
TC doesn't pick players and
won't change his approach on
play calling, ect.
He will push his run plays on
Macadoo. When Fewell gets fired
another noname will replace him
and he probably will have no
DC experience. Mara is a good guy
but not good owner.
RE: Eli may have thrown for a lot of yards but he really  
SGMen : 12/28/2014 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12058469 Jimmy Googs said:
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missed a lot of throws out there. Threw behind crossing recievers, missed a few seam routes to the Tight Ends by throwing too long, and took too long to get the ball out on several deep throws to Beckham.

He could have easily been picked 3 or 4 times today...
Eli was clearly not sharp today. We couldn't run the ball and my gut tells me he just never got into rhythym. The pass to TE Robinson was "off" and well Robinson didn't time it too well either but if he hits Robinson or Donnell in stride we likely win or at least keep it away from the Eagles!
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