if the only way we can rid ourselves of Fewell and Quinn is by getting rid of Tom, then screw it, can Tom too. His chosen coordinators have proven themselves to be abysmal at their jobs, and if he won't change that, then my only hope is that upper management will and simply get rid of them all.
I would tell Coughlin he can coach next year but no extension and your DC and ST coach are fired. Under those conditions, he might just decide to retire.
Trying to save his assistant coaches jobs..after all he hired them,
and it is a indictment on him. If he takes a hard line on this.
He Himself might be on the outside looking in. Tom is too smart to let Quinn and Fewell determine his NFL career and legacy.
RE: RE: What exactly did you want him to say there?
You guys want to see all 3 top assistants go, but you want to keep the head guy . How does that make sense ? In what other endeavor does middle management get axed but the CEO is protected ?
You guys want to see all 3 top assistants go, but you want to keep the head guy . How does that make sense ? In what other endeavor does middle management get axed but the CEO is protected ?
Was the offense not much better this year than last? Did Eli not have a much better year?
Because his schemes don't work unless he has all pro pressure from the front four. It is sad to see how bad our defense has become (averaging almost 400 yards per game) and this from someone who just completed his 40th year of watching.
sorry Tom, but your results don't let you carry much weight when it comes to coach management situations from the past 5 years.
Fewell's time should of been up last year along with Gilbride. If anything, showing how management forced your hand last year with moving on from Gilbride, and how McAddoo has turned around this offense, the same needs to be done again this year on the other side of the ball.
He is just so damn stubborn with defending staff that have failied miserably, I wish he would hold his staff to the same criteria he holds his players. He has no problem chewing out players, calling them out when they make mistakes, yet his staff always gets away with consitantly ba results.
to be HC at a second-tier college program. He had a bit of success as a HC with Buffalo, he's learned under TC, and he's probably not going to be with the Giants in 2015 anyway. If I were his agent, that's the gig I'd be looking for.
The Colorado State and Tulsa jobs were open. I could see Fewell winding up someplace like that.
Coughlin Should Be Happy That He Apparently Bears No Responsibility
for the actions of his coaches or players. How many coaches are made of teflon? I say keep whomever Coughlin wants if you are going to retain him. If you are going to force out PF or Quinn then Coughlin must go too. We dumped Gilbride and the team had a worse season. Now its the other two coordinators who are to blame. Really?
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
Trying to save his assistant coaches jobs..after all he hired them,
and it is a indictment on him. If he takes a hard line on this.
He Himself might be on the outside looking in. Tom is too smart to let Quinn and Fewell determine his NFL career and legacy.
At what point does he stand up for himself and say these are my guys you are firing? I'm not coaching with the owners' staff. Isn't pride involved? TC preaches team and Giants Pride? Aren't strong armed moves like this from management the opposite of those philosophies?
RE: Coughlin Should Be Happy That He Apparently Bears No Responsibility
for the actions of his coaches or players. How many coaches are made of teflon? I say keep whomever Coughlin wants if you are going to retain him. If you are going to force out PF or Quinn then Coughlin must go too. We dumped Gilbride and the team had a worse season. Now its the other two coordinators who are to blame. Really?
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with
the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
You guys want to see all 3 top assistants go, but you want to keep the head guy . How does that make sense ? In what other endeavor does middle management get axed but the CEO is protected ?
Was the offense not much better this year than last? Did Eli not have a much better year?
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
Why isn't coughlin accountable but the guys he hires and supervises are? That's a fair question?
RE: Coughlin Should Be Happy That He Apparently Bears No Responsibility
for the actions of his coaches or players. How many coaches are made of teflon? I say keep whomever Coughlin wants if you are going to retain him. If you are going to force out PF or Quinn then Coughlin must go too. We dumped Gilbride and the team had a worse season. Now its the other two coordinators who are to blame. Really?
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
Its his responsibility as he claims continually, but everyone has come to understand that our owners do not have the rocks to fire him or tell him to resign. We have a Joe Paterno situation here. Not saying he can't coach, but this system and stuff has gotten stale and mediocre. When you have one player completely controlling the destiny of a team you have a pretty big problem. Some of it poor player quality, but a great deal of it, outdated and incompetent coaching. Think about it, if not for Beckham we probably would have lost almost all of our remaining games, because the coaching stuff cannot figure how to get output from a NFL calibre player asset. That is why it is called a fucking footbal TEAM.
He's a very good coach who's loyalty is oblivious to performance. Its a contradiction, and I believe has cost this team significantly the last few years.
He's a very good coach who's loyalty is oblivious to performance. Its a contradiction, and I believe has cost this team significantly the last few years.
for the actions of his coaches or players. How many coaches are made of teflon? I say keep whomever Coughlin wants if you are going to retain him. If you are going to force out PF or Quinn then Coughlin must go too. We dumped Gilbride and the team had a worse season. Now its the other two coordinators who are to blame. Really?
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
The QB didn't have a worse season... he had his best since 2011. That's quite a feat considering the OL was negligibly better than last season's.
I realize that the LBs and safeties need an overhaul, but the idea that relieving Fewell of duty would be "scapegoating" is ridiculous. He's done a terrible job.
was one of the ayes when the vote was held whether or not to fire (or not renew the contract for you purists) Fewell?
a few weeks back, there was plenty of talk about Coughlin being on the hotseat. Right about the time that Fewell's fate was allegedly sealed, Coughlin went from being on the hotseat to it being mostly assumed to returning. Part of being a good head coach is knowing when underlings have to go.
In 2013 we averaged 18.3 points per game. In 2014: 23.6 points.
oh and by the way HE'S not guaranteed to return. There's potential here but is he the guy to lead the way. If he is insistent on keeping his coaches then that should be factored into ownerships decision.
The new BBI put down if you don't tow the company line. Good fans can disagree about the direction of the franchise. It doesn't make one group better than the other and should not bring insults. We all love the Giants.
Cause all the whiny brats screaming incessantly for people to lose their jobs while they sit on their comfy couches watching a game, make this place oh so pleasant...
Ignore LTS. He's one of those guys that tries to be one of the cool kids but is such a dork, everyone can see it. The kind of guy that tries to sound like an intellectual in certain circles but wears his hat sideways bc he thinks it will help him fit in in other circles.
I'd like a different defensive coordinator and special teams coordinator. I just don't need to get all up in arms in a hissy fit because it's not happening immediately after the game.
I'd like a different defensive coordinator and special teams coordinator. I just don't need to get all up in arms in a hissy fit because it's not happening immediately after the game.
and this is a business. Coughlin had input in hiring the coordinators but they weren't solely his hires, he's not going to threaten to quit in protest if a shitty ST coordinator and an ineffective DC are fired. That's not how this works. And Coughlin understands that he's not on the firmest of footing either; whether he decides to retire (or is encouraged to do so) is anyone's guess but he's not in a position to be dictating anything to management.
Tom Coughlin is as decent a role model as there is. He stands for what we all should aspire to, integrity, honesty, pride and respect. It would be a great move by the organization to keep him involved in a role to help shape the personnel and personality of this team. That being said, the posts about the lack of meritocracy being applied to Coughlin the last 3 years are accurate. These teams are not in contention and they're not competitive in games with playoff caliber teams. For almost all of the last 11 years, the Giants are a team capable of only streaks, not consistency or rebound. If the coordinators are being fired and the head coach remains its not on merit but rather reputation and sentiment. Coughin's assistants who've gone on to NFL head coaching positions (Gilbride, Jauron, Kiffin, Capers, Sparano, Spagnuolo, Petrino) are not a strong case for a system or philosophy that succeeds over time. Again, a great man and should have a role, perhaps no longer as head coach.
Last year when he had players, the defense finished in the top ten. This year, he losses his MLB, his top CB, his top slot CB, his top S (Will Hill), he loses Tuck to free agency, who is replaced by Kiwi, he has no real LB talent and we are suppose to have a top ten defense? It's not scheme that doomed this team because the same scheme won us a SB. It's the flat out lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have needs at CB, DE, LB, S, and DT!! You can put whatever defensive coordinator you want in there and they wouldn't do any better than Perry Fewell has. I don't want to say the quick leash by some fans here on Fewell is due to his race, but I haven't fully understood the vitriol directed towards him, considering the players that are on the field on defense. IT may not be racism, but it's definitely not rational analysis and smacks of scapegoating.
I would tell Coughlin he can coach next year but no extension and your DC and ST coach are fired. Under those conditions, he might just decide to retire.
He'll coach the Jets who will grab him in a heartbeat.
Last year when he had players, the defense finished in the top ten. This year, he losses his MLB, his top CB, his top slot CB, his top S (Will Hill), he loses Tuck to free agency, who is replaced by Kiwi, he has no real LB talent and we are suppose to have a top ten defense? It's not scheme that doomed this team because the same scheme won us a SB. It's the flat out lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have needs at CB, DE, LB, S, and DT!! You can put whatever defensive coordinator you want in there and they wouldn't do any better than Perry Fewell has. I don't want to say the quick leash by some fans here on Fewell is due to his race, but I haven't fully understood the vitriol directed towards him, considering the players that are on the field on defense. IT may not be racism, but it's definitely not rational analysis and smacks of scapegoating.
Our defense was f'n pathetic last year. It got steamrolled by starting QBs.
I don't want to say the quick leash by some fans here on Fewell is due to his race, but I haven't fully understood the vitriol directed towards him, considering the players that are on the field on defense. IT may not be racism, but it's definitely not rational analysis and smacks of scapegoating.
What a fucking ignorant statement.
RE: In 2013 we averaged 18.3 points per game. In 2014: 23.6 points.
Quinn should be inflating footballs at a junior college.
McAdoo got 5 new starters on offense and one of them was that Beckham guy. You can't compare 2013 with 2014. We got some of McAdoo's on the job training this year.
Last year when he had players, the defense finished in the top ten. This year, he losses his MLB, his top CB, his top slot CB, his top S (Will Hill), he loses Tuck to free agency, who is replaced by Kiwi, he has no real LB talent and we are suppose to have a top ten defense? It's not scheme that doomed this team because the same scheme won us a SB. It's the flat out lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have needs at CB, DE, LB, S, and DT!! You can put whatever defensive coordinator you want in there and they wouldn't do any better than Perry Fewell has. I don't want to say the quick leash by some fans here on Fewell is due to his race, but I haven't fully understood the vitriol directed towards him, considering the players that are on the field on defense. IT may not be racism, but it's definitely not rational analysis and smacks of scapegoating.
Last year when he had players, the defense finished in the top ten. This year, he losses his MLB, his top CB, his top slot CB, his top S (Will Hill), he loses Tuck to free agency, who is replaced by Kiwi, he has no real LB talent and we are suppose to have a top ten defense? It's not scheme that doomed this team because the same scheme won us a SB. It's the flat out lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have needs at CB, DE, LB, S, and DT!! You can put whatever defensive coordinator you want in there and they wouldn't do any better than Perry Fewell has. I don't want to say the quick leash by some fans here on Fewell is due to his race, but I haven't fully understood the vitriol directed towards him, considering the players that are on the field on defense. IT may not be racism, but it's definitely not rational analysis and smacks of scapegoating.
You are right to a point. Fewell is ordinary. We'll get a new DC who will be handed 5 or 6 new starters and will be proclaimed the second coming when the D improves.
Tom Coughlin has become the new Jim Lee Howell. Too bad there aren't any Lombardi's or Landry's on the staff. It's getting comical at this point. What happens next year after the Giants finish 5-11? They fire Pat Hanlon?
Has had players and a good young core and has done nothing.
TC cant go because of continuity issues, but who on defense really needs the continuity that Eli needs.
It would seem the young core could use a change of direction and maybe a defense of coordinator who can play them to their strengths.
This turnover based Defense is not a good match for the new Offense.
We need a smothering Defense that gets the other team off the field.
Fewells D is obsolete to today's game.
Has had players and a good young core and has done nothing.
TC cant go because of continuity issues, but who on defense really needs the continuity that Eli needs.
It would seem the young core could use a change of direction and maybe a defense of coordinator who can play them to their strengths.
This turnover based Defense is not a good match for the new Offense.
We need a smothering Defense that gets the other team off the field.
Fewells D is obsolete to today's game.
bought Tom another yr. His character, which you can certainly argue is part of the package and therefore he is deserving, and Beckham, which is as much luck as anything else.
Pro Football is a results business. If a coach can draft or get a better player than you in FA, then you don't start, or are cut. If you aren't getting the best out of your players as a coach, then you could be demoted or cut by the Head Coach/Front Office. If the Front Office thinks they can get a better head coach than you, and you're not competitive, then the odds are you're gone.
That's why HC jobs like the Steelers and Giants are attractive. These organizations are very patient, and don't over react after a bad year or two. But make no mistake...they may not fire Fewell or Quinn, but that doesn't mean they aren't on the hot seat. Good organizations make sure they replace coaches with better coaches; it's not for the sake of change.
If a better coach than Fewell is free this year, I can see the FO going after him. It's not just that we're awful ratings wise...we aren't developing players. Injuries happen, and the reason you draft players is to develop them so they can play when a starter goes down. That's part of a coaches job, and I don't see it happening with Perry or his assistants.
this statement comical and bizarre all at once. The fact that our HC has to say that he wants his staff to return intact as if it is not his decision is a huge problem.
They would be 16-0 if the players didn't screw up the game plan the coach's came up with. Clearly the way to beat the Eagles in Philly was to run the ball and prevent the big play on defense. Let McCoy run for 7 yards a carry and let Foles play pitch and catch with receivers and tight ends in passijg situations. Do not worry about giving up first downs. Make them drive the field with 7 yard runs and passing for 15 yards to wide open receivers. Just make sure we minimize YAC. Someone will make a play.
Don't you have to have a sense of who you would bring in? Not going to even talk about who would be a better HC than Coughlin who has a pretty good resume. I've seen Davey Johnson get replaced by Buddy Harrelson and Rick Pitino replaced by Stu Jackson. Is it just get rid of the Coach and bring in who? It's not like coaches who win 2 SBs against maybe Belichick grow on trees.
eh...the world is full of middle and senior managers who say:
"id like to see the coaching staff return" and mean it on a personal level...after all we all "wish" things could work out for everybody...who "wishes" bad outcomes for any other person?....yet be fully capable of making an analytical decision for the good of the organization.
Its a public position...the HC has to "say" things ...he has to have a human face to hire the next guy.
TC has a job in senior management of his organization...and its a company whose product is public relations
I don't think what he said and what he is prepared to do matches up quite that tightly....are the senior managers words and preparedness to act a 100% match at your Company? More like 50% most of the time??
Again this year, Mara needs to intervene to remove another 2 coordinators that the Best coach in the history (aacordingt to many here) of football feels they should remain in the country club he created. One would think, it should be TC wanting to make necessary changes to improve the team.
I obviously know just as little about this as anyone else on the site....but obviously different people have different roles in the giants organization...and the head coach would logically follow a script of NOT appearing to throw any of his coaches under the media bus...do you know any head coach who lasts in the NFL that throws his coaches under the bus? Even Belichek or Parcells...no shrinking violets ever throw them under the bus in front of the media...coaches are a fratertnity...one you will recruit from and perhaps return to...in the FA era the HC is a recruiter. And the Giants do not over pay coaches...they sell the "giants family"
I would not over rotate over anything said for public consumption at this time of year
Different organizations do things very differently.
Extreme example: The Dodgers of the Alston-Lasorda years simply didn't change managers. They valued stability and viewed the manager strategically -- that is, as part of a long term plan. The Yankees of the Steinbrenner era, which covered a lot of the same period, would change managers (seemingly) on a whim. They viewed the manager tactically -- they'd fire one guy and replace him with whoever George thought would help them win right now. (I've read that George had promised Billy Martin he could manage as long as he wasn't drinking. Billy would keep falling off the wagon and get fired, then get sober and get rehired, and then start drinking again, and so on. Which puts that whole circus in a different light.)
The Giants are more like the old Dodgers. They seem to view the HC as a high-level executive position where they like stability. I get that. And TC was Wellington Mara's last hire. That counts for a lot.
However, the organization's reluctance to replace TC shouldn't guarantee job security for Fewell and Quinn. And I think the "retirement" of Gilbride Sr. shows ownership doesn't think the coaches are an all-in-one package, either.
As much as I want Fewell and Quinn gone, I understand TC's reluctance. These aren't easy decisions. Coaches have personal relationships on a team, and not everyone is going to go to a team simply based on money.
A Head Coach really has to trust the guys under him, so that his message gets to all the players. He has to trust the evaluation from each practice and game he gets from the guys under him (much as the Coordinators have to trust the evaluations the assistants give them).
A HC simply cant be everywhere simultaneously, even with today's technology...and it's not just the play on the practice or game field, they need to know when players have personal issues as well that will affect play.
A staff is as much a team as anything else, and you tend to trust "your guys", guys you've networked with, and gone to parties with, celebrated birthdays, gone to their childrens birthdays, graduations, weddings, etc. Guys who have spent time sleeping at the complex going over game plans, who have given up a lot of their personal lives as part of the job.
It's not easy cutting your friends when things go bad; I suspect it gets harder the older you get in the business. That's why the Front Office needs to step in at times, and figure out who can be brought in to work with the HC or Coordinators.
It's part of the business, but like cutting players, it's hard on you as well as the people you let go.
Big improvement from the offense this year for sure... and I like McAdoo... but alot of the improvement is due to OBJ.
Other than that, same mistakes/penalties/miscues being made across the board on all 3 sides of the ball... and that goes on the coaching staff.
Our next coach may not be as good as TC - I recognize that... but I think this group as currently constituted will continue to be bad/mediocre and eventually TC will be done. I would like to speed up the process.
Hope you are well. Happy Holidays to you and yours.
I am sure the actual decisions are hard and loaded with emotions. I think the "scripts" we see are loaded with a dance that seeks to serve multiple purposes.
Do we know if TC truly selected MacAdoo? Was truly ok if not behind with Gilbride "retiring"?
I have no idea. Doubt anyone really does know when the slide from off the cuff speculation about alternatives and possibilities to fully syndicated decision began. Even Gilbride.
I don't know why it's a strange or bad opinion to want
You guys want to see all 3 top assistants go, but you want to keep the head guy . How does that make sense ? In what other endeavor does middle management get axed but the CEO is protected ?
I think the point being made was having a new OC and bringing in a new DC and STC is a stupid course of action. TC is gone at the end of the 2015 season so you need to replace him next year. Now that replacement would want his own DC, OC and other coaches. Now is the time to make the move on the HC and end the anxiety for the sake of the players, 2015 season and the organization! IMHO.
Was the offense not much better this year than last? Did Eli not have a much better year?
What makes you write this?
I thought evaulations are left til after season ended?
lucky
FIRE FEWELL
FIRE QUINN
they can come back if they buy tickets too
id be ok with "settling" for Kate Upton
Many of the position coaches in addition to Fewell
Many of the position coaches in addition to Fewell
Many of the position coaches? Like who exactly?
and it is a indictment on him. If he takes a hard line on this.
He Himself might be on the outside looking in. Tom is too smart to let Quinn and Fewell determine his NFL career and legacy.
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I want quite a few coaches to go...
Many of the position coaches in addition to Fewell
Many of the position coaches? Like who exactly?
He was saying that as Coughlin. Like these idiots here expect Coughlin to say that right after the game.
Was the offense not much better this year than last? Did Eli not have a much better year?
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
Fewell's time should of been up last year along with Gilbride. If anything, showing how management forced your hand last year with moving on from Gilbride, and how McAddoo has turned around this offense, the same needs to be done again this year on the other side of the ball.
He is just so damn stubborn with defending staff that have failied miserably, I wish he would hold his staff to the same criteria he holds his players. He has no problem chewing out players, calling them out when they make mistakes, yet his staff always gets away with consitantly ba results.
Eric, I don't care if it's little birds, big bird, Elmo...just make it so.
The Colorado State and Tulsa jobs were open. I could see Fewell winding up someplace like that.
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
and it is a indictment on him. If he takes a hard line on this.
He Himself might be on the outside looking in. Tom is too smart to let Quinn and Fewell determine his NFL career and legacy.
At what point does he stand up for himself and say these are my guys you are firing? I'm not coaching with the owners' staff. Isn't pride involved? TC preaches team and Giants Pride? Aren't strong armed moves like this from management the opposite of those philosophies?
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with
the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
This ^^^^^. Good post.
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You guys want to see all 3 top assistants go, but you want to keep the head guy . How does that make sense ? In what other endeavor does middle management get axed but the CEO is protected ?
Was the offense not much better this year than last? Did Eli not have a much better year?
Not sure what point you're trying to make.
Why isn't coughlin accountable but the guys he hires and supervises are? That's a fair question?
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
Its his responsibility as he claims continually, but everyone has come to understand that our owners do not have the rocks to fire him or tell him to resign. We have a Joe Paterno situation here. Not saying he can't coach, but this system and stuff has gotten stale and mediocre. When you have one player completely controlling the destiny of a team you have a pretty big problem. Some of it poor player quality, but a great deal of it, outdated and incompetent coaching. Think about it, if not for Beckham we probably would have lost almost all of our remaining games, because the coaching stuff cannot figure how to get output from a NFL calibre player asset. That is why it is called a fucking footbal TEAM.
Not as astounding as your idiocy.
Coughlin bears plenty of responsibility but the mouthbreathers are way too blind to see it.
I just hate the scapegoating of the assistants when the two top dogs--Reese and Coughlin--get to stay as if they played no part in player selection or gameplanning. Why? Because they won two Super Bowls--with the same assistants that are now being vilified. Go figure--life is not fair.
The QB didn't have a worse season... he had his best since 2011. That's quite a feat considering the OL was negligibly better than last season's.
I realize that the LBs and safeties need an overhaul, but the idea that relieving Fewell of duty would be "scapegoating" is ridiculous. He's done a terrible job.
a few weeks back, there was plenty of talk about Coughlin being on the hotseat. Right about the time that Fewell's fate was allegedly sealed, Coughlin went from being on the hotseat to it being mostly assumed to returning. Part of being a good head coach is knowing when underlings have to go.
Quinn should be inflating footballs at a junior college.
You are pleasant. Really makes people want to participate here. Great.
Pay him no mind.
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Second of all, it has nothing to do with not towing the company line and everything to do with being a mouthbreathing fucking moron.
You are pleasant. Really makes people want to participate here. Great.
LTS Can be a real big typical BBI cock sucker yes..
Gotcha Grover Dill.
Oof
Our defense was f'n pathetic last year. It got steamrolled by starting QBs.
What a fucking ignorant statement.
Quinn should be inflating footballs at a junior college.
Are you fucking kidding me?
TC cant go because of continuity issues, but who on defense really needs the continuity that Eli needs.
It would seem the young core could use a change of direction and maybe a defense of coordinator who can play them to their strengths.
This turnover based Defense is not a good match for the new Offense.
We need a smothering Defense that gets the other team off the field.
Fewells D is obsolete to today's game.
TC cant go because of continuity issues, but who on defense really needs the continuity that Eli needs.
It would seem the young core could use a change of direction and maybe a defense of coordinator who can play them to their strengths.
This turnover based Defense is not a good match for the new Offense.
We need a smothering Defense that gets the other team off the field.
Fewells D is obsolete to today's game.
The continuity of going from 9-7to 7-9 to 6-10??
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The continuity of going from 9-7to 7-9 to 6-10??
That's the most worrying thing. The Giants have been trending in the wrong direction for 3 years. I can't understand why Coughlin is safe.
He is "safe" because he won two Super Bowls and hasn't embarrassed the org. I don't like the last three seasons either but it's not really mystifying.
When Fewell actually had DRC, Prince, and Thurmond healthy, he thought it was a good idea to do things like let Jacquain Williams cover Megatron.
There's no defending him regardless of the lack of talent.
That's why HC jobs like the Steelers and Giants are attractive. These organizations are very patient, and don't over react after a bad year or two. But make no mistake...they may not fire Fewell or Quinn, but that doesn't mean they aren't on the hot seat. Good organizations make sure they replace coaches with better coaches; it's not for the sake of change.
If a better coach than Fewell is free this year, I can see the FO going after him. It's not just that we're awful ratings wise...we aren't developing players. Injuries happen, and the reason you draft players is to develop them so they can play when a starter goes down. That's part of a coaches job, and I don't see it happening with Perry or his assistants.
"id like to see the coaching staff return" and mean it on a personal level...after all we all "wish" things could work out for everybody...who "wishes" bad outcomes for any other person?....yet be fully capable of making an analytical decision for the good of the organization.
Its a public position...the HC has to "say" things ...he has to have a human face to hire the next guy.
TC has a job in senior management of his organization...and its a company whose product is public relations
I don't think what he said and what he is prepared to do matches up quite that tightly....are the senior managers words and preparedness to act a 100% match at your Company? More like 50% most of the time??
I would not over rotate over anything said for public consumption at this time of year
The Giants are more like the old Dodgers. They seem to view the HC as a high-level executive position where they like stability. I get that. And TC was Wellington Mara's last hire. That counts for a lot.
However, the organization's reluctance to replace TC shouldn't guarantee job security for Fewell and Quinn. And I think the "retirement" of Gilbride Sr. shows ownership doesn't think the coaches are an all-in-one package, either.
A Head Coach really has to trust the guys under him, so that his message gets to all the players. He has to trust the evaluation from each practice and game he gets from the guys under him (much as the Coordinators have to trust the evaluations the assistants give them).
A HC simply cant be everywhere simultaneously, even with today's technology...and it's not just the play on the practice or game field, they need to know when players have personal issues as well that will affect play.
A staff is as much a team as anything else, and you tend to trust "your guys", guys you've networked with, and gone to parties with, celebrated birthdays, gone to their childrens birthdays, graduations, weddings, etc. Guys who have spent time sleeping at the complex going over game plans, who have given up a lot of their personal lives as part of the job.
It's not easy cutting your friends when things go bad; I suspect it gets harder the older you get in the business. That's why the Front Office needs to step in at times, and figure out who can be brought in to work with the HC or Coordinators.
It's part of the business, but like cutting players, it's hard on you as well as the people you let go.
Big improvement from the offense this year for sure... and I like McAdoo... but alot of the improvement is due to OBJ.
Other than that, same mistakes/penalties/miscues being made across the board on all 3 sides of the ball... and that goes on the coaching staff.
Our next coach may not be as good as TC - I recognize that... but I think this group as currently constituted will continue to be bad/mediocre and eventually TC will be done. I would like to speed up the process.
I am sure the actual decisions are hard and loaded with emotions. I think the "scripts" we see are loaded with a dance that seeks to serve multiple purposes.
Do we know if TC truly selected MacAdoo? Was truly ok if not behind with Gilbride "retiring"?
I have no idea. Doubt anyone really does know when the slide from off the cuff speculation about alternatives and possibilities to fully syndicated decision began. Even Gilbride.
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You guys want to see all 3 top assistants go, but you want to keep the head guy . How does that make sense ? In what other endeavor does middle management get axed but the CEO is protected ?
I think the point being made was having a new OC and bringing in a new DC and STC is a stupid course of action. TC is gone at the end of the 2015 season so you need to replace him next year. Now that replacement would want his own DC, OC and other coaches. Now is the time to make the move on the HC and end the anxiety for the sake of the players, 2015 season and the organization! IMHO.
Was the offense not much better this year than last? Did Eli not have a much better year?
Not sure what point you're trying to make.