That is my honest opinion besides getting a superstar receiver.
Last year, we were 7-9, beating a collection of stiffs at qb. This year. We were 6-10, beating stiffs at qb except Matt Ryan. Our offense looked slightly more functional, but our defense took major strides back.
, Beckham papers over a lot of the cracks that our offense has and continues to show. Today, at times ,we were just chucking the ball into double and triple coverage.
At best, this year was slight progress. Not enough to make me want to keep anyone from the current regime.
It is called a bottom line and the bottom line here for three years has stunk.
more troubling is our performance in our own division. Realize we did not even split with our division opponents, except sweeping the skins. We are in serious loser territory now and the question becomes how far behind we are on the talent and coaching. Winning and beating your division opponents are kind of a given.
Now that the euphoria over the previous 3 games is over, why don't we find the positives from this game?
We can root for the team however we want, unfortunately I just see more of the same next year, unless you think the progress we made from '13 to this year truly qualifies as progress.
Now that the euphoria over the previous 3 games is over, why don't we find the positives from this game?
We can root for the team however we want, unfortunately I just see more of the same next year, unless you think the progress we made from '13 to this year truly qualifies as progress.
Then I guess you can take a year off next year since you already know the results, then.
we have no interior line or RT push to run the ball. what do you expect.
Bottom line? You can't judge these things by wins and losses. Just keep saying to yourself, we're making progress. And everything will be alright.
And if we should have another losing season next year, as long as we make progress on defense there will be no need to change the coach or the GM.
the offense made a lot of progress.
the first 2 are a bad theme for some time... so the thread title is fine for that aspect... and that is why those coaches need to be sent packing
but where change was made... progress was made. that is a good thing despite the season still being a failure.
This is a two year rebuilding project, at least. Year one is over, year two is next.
I'm optimistic about next year.
right, it's like will we ever win a Super Bowl with this combination?
QB who has shown he can be tremendous in said offense
Rookies who contributed including star WR, OL, RB and LB
The OL was light years better in pass protection
This team was blown out regularly in 2013 and outside of SF game, was in games. They still lost, but were in them
We will say it again next year, but health is important.
Stafford? Ryan?
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in almost two years...
Stafford? Ryan?
suddenly our record improved to 7-9 in one thread response. Golden.
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In comment 12058060 Blue Blood said:
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in almost two years...
Stafford? Ryan?
suddenly our record improved to 7-9 in one thread response. Golden.
He is talking about last year with stafford I presume
Yes, the defense sucked this year and a change needs to be made there. But this offense was legitimately inept last season. To the point where we simply were just not even competitive in most of the games we played. They made a big turnaround this year and will continue to improve.
Offensively, there is a lot to be optimistic about. If we can improve the OL more in the offseason, they have a chance to be a pretty good unit next year.
Actually, the Eagles tried very hard to shut down Beckham and the results speak for themselves.
I fully expect other teams to try the same next year making stars out of Victor Cruz & Reuben Randle.
The Defense has sunk to a new low. The DL is just OK, the LBs still stink to high heaven, the best CBs are mostly on IR, and the Safeties were worse than last season. No apparent progress was made on reducing the communications issues, either. Major changes are needed all over the D.
Special teams continue to stink to high heaven. Gave up a punt block for a TD, a FG block, a deflected punt that got the punter hurt, a couple of TD returns, and didn't do squat in the return game. They had only a successful on side kick and very good overall placement (PAT & FG) success to balance it out. Quinn needs to be replaced by a competent ST coach and they need to get some players on Specials who can actually play. For instance, this means dumping Demps who was the personal protector on both the deflected and the blocked punt plays.
The overall team record was slightly worse than last year because they didn't have as many patsy QBs to beat up on as in 2013.
It remains obvious that the GIANTS can't complete effectively with the better teams in the league, and can't even consistently beat the also rans.
This team needs a total housecleaning starting with the front office.
Seattle doesn't win with their offense. Seattle beat them how Seattle wins their games, enough offense with a stifling defense
without him, they might have finished 1-10 in their last 11 games
that's unbelievably awful when you have a franchise QB
The drafting and successful first season of Odell is huge progress for the team moving forward.
Take that even further and the contributions of so many young players is successful progress.
Personally I was never worried about Eli, but for many his "rebound" has to be considered as progress this season.
I don't understand how any fan who watches the Giants could feel there was no progress made.
The drafting and successful first season of Odell is huge progress for the team moving forward.
Take that even further and the contributions of so many young players is successful progress.
Personally I was never worried about Eli, but for many his "rebound" has to be considered as progress this season.
I don't understand how any fan who watches the Giants could feel there was no progress made.
I guess you turned off the tv when the defense came on the field or forgot that in order to win, we need to stop others from scoring. Or that we were 6-10, and the only win we had versus a team with a winning record was the mighty Texans. And, also, I said we didn't make "much" progress.
No, the Rams are a 6-10 team. Don't expect me to do cartwheels because we won that game. However, in a post In this thread, I mentioned it was one of our better wins.
My point is, I don't see enough progress with this staff to justify yet another year. Most people here want to fire 2/3rds of TCs coordinators but still want to keep him. To me, that is insanity. Think about that, 2/3rds of the operation is doing a poor job, we have been bad for three years and we want to just act like we made significant progress because a superstar was found. IMO, a new coaching staff could also target Beckham 21 times , as we did today.
The other team had 34 and we had 26.
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They successfully replaced their long time OC with a new OC who proceeded to install an entire new offense. That alone would be progress because in the NFL that it isn't always so easily done.
The drafting and successful first season of Odell is huge progress for the team moving forward.
Take that even further and the contributions of so many young players is successful progress.
Personally I was never worried about Eli, but for many his "rebound" has to be considered as progress this season.
I don't understand how any fan who watches the Giants could feel there was no progress made.
I guess you turned off the tv when the defense came on the field or forgot that in order to win, we need to stop others from scoring. Or that we were 6-10, and the only win we had versus a team with a winning record was the mighty Texans. And, also, I said we didn't make "much" progress.
Yes the defense still needs some work, and the team obviously is not a finished product but what does that have to do with any of the progress that has been made? Can you really not separate the two?
I don't mind having civil conversations with other giants fans. I just hate the I know more than you garbage (not that you were engaging in it). If I didn't care what other people thought I wouldn't be here
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They successfully replaced their long time OC with a new OC who proceeded to install an entire new offense. That alone would be progress because in the NFL that it isn't always so easily done.
The drafting and successful first season of Odell is huge progress for the team moving forward.
Take that even further and the contributions of so many young players is successful progress.
Personally I was never worried about Eli, but for many his "rebound" has to be considered as progress this season.
I don't understand how any fan who watches the Giants could feel there was no progress made.
I guess you turned off the tv when the defense came on the field or forgot that in order to win, we need to stop others from scoring. Or that we were 6-10, and the only win we had versus a team with a winning record was the mighty Texans. And, also, I said we didn't make "much" progress.
Yes the defense still needs some work, and the team obviously is not a finished product but what does that have to do with any of the progress that has been made? Can you really not separate the two?
No, I can't because both contribute to the final result of the game. A step forward on offense, with a step back on defense is not progress.
That is the opposite of progress
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree if you don't view the things I pointed out in my first post as progress.
I don't understand the thought process of all or nothing when speaking of progress having been made.
At wr, we drafted one of the best in the league (Beckham).
At rb, it's a question. I think Jensen, Williams and Darkwa will be ok, once we get more power in the line and te.
At de, Wynn should be at least a good backup. Ayers looks like a keeper.
At linebacker, Kennard will be a decent starter.
At corner, DRC is the real deal if he can stay healthy.
At safety, we regressed.
- Extend Eli, opens up cap room and provides stability at QB for the next 3 years or so. He's earned it.
- Hire a "big time" DC and fix the D. Only real keepers are Prince, Hankins, Kennard, JPP, maybe DRC. We really need safeties, draft one high and bring in a good FA.
- JPP needs to come back, don't think we have a choice. Franchise him if need be.
- More OL, we need another OT and OG at a minimum.
Fewell & Quinn need to go.