Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo
Mentioned on air a little bit ago there's been a steady drumbeat about a possible return to NYG for Steve Spagnuolo that isn't going away.
You are going to mention the part of Spags having the magic potion to ensure having Tuck, Osi and Strahan for 100% of the games (48 of 48) in 2007 compared to the 54% they played the previous season (26 of 48) at some point, correct?
Sure helps a lot. Those 3 alone combined for 9 sacks in '06 and 32 in '07.
The schemes were totally different. Sure it obviously helps when your 3 guys stay healthy. But then again, when it comes to our team when have we actually stayed healthy? It seems like for years we have had positions get gutted. From LBs, to CBs, to RBs, to almost any position. This has been happening for a while. This year it was Cbs. Yeah it would be great if guys can stay healthy. You are correct it would help if those 3 could have stayed healthy. It also helps when you supplement your pass rushers with additional blitzes, you know ones, that actually get home. The creative use of personnel, and different blitz packages aided in the 21 sack increase. I did game break downs and some of the stuff he was doing was great to see when you draft it all up and map each play for a whole game.
He overloaded A gap, while bringing in a safety and then a CB from the slot. It was great blitz packages that forced the QB to get rid of the ball early or get sacked. You could not step up because someone was coming from A gap. You could not move around left or right, because your DEs were coming around the corner. If by chance you saw daylight to try to move around, you saw a slot Cb coming in.
Not to mention, moving personnel where Ross would be the safety on different plays but give the pre snap shell of a Cb. He fucked with opposing offenses while bringing in pressure.
That's why the sacks increased by a lot. You could very well have the Perry Fewell rush 4 and drop everyone else back, and teams could negate your pass rush by getting rid of the ball quickly.
But our scheme factored with our players accounted for an increase in sacks, which by the way was higher than Lewis in 2004,05, and 06.
04- 40 sacks
05- 41 sacks
06- 32 sacks.
That's just factoring sacks alone and not scheme which sucked and led to his firing. His treatment of Webster was god awful. You took a guy with potential and basically played zone with him. He used to berate the guy.
Spags changed the scheme and played man press with Webster and Webster responded.
07-53 sacks total
32 by those 3 and 21 more from other players.
Not only that Spags is actually the only coach under TC to get a HCing gig. Overall TCs coaching tree hasn't progressed. Tim Lewis hasn't even gotten another DC gig.
What's worse is the the guy made the playoffs 2/3 years AND still gets fired. That 23-20 loss to the Eagles in the wild game was awful. We had the god damn lead, and McNabb marched down the field and it set up an Akers FG.
Think of it this way. A DC goes to the playoffs 2/3 years, once against the Panthers at home, and once against the Eagles away, both loses. You would think this DC is a good DC that you can build upon by getting even more payers. I never was a fan of Lewis, but they fired his ass after going to the playoffs twice. Not only that he couldn't get a damn DC job again. 9 years as a position coach after that 2006 firing. There was a big different in how both coaches coached their defenses. Hence one guy being the most successful of the TC coaches, even though he didn't do well as a HC. Still out of all the coaches, he is the guy who got a HCing gig in the NFL while the others have not.
I never was a fan of the hirings of Tim Lewis, Sheridan and Fewell. But like I mentioned in this thread or another one, I don't care who we hire as a DC as long as they are aggressive. It's too bad we can't get Bowles or Horton as our DC. I like aggressive nature. I don't even care what system we use, 34 or stick with a 43 as long as this defense plays better. Right now. I have zero faith in our defense.
#1 we all know that Fewell has to go.
Just about any new hire will be able to do just as good a job.
Spags didn't pan out as a HC, that happens, so maybe his niche is as a DC in a stable environment such as the one the Giants provided under Coughlin?
I would like to see him brought back cause what matters to me is that he had success while he was here.
but his best work came in 2008, a season during which he did not have Strahan, Osi, or Kawika Mitchell. Among the starters on that defense (5th in the NFL in points allowed) were Danny Clark, James Butler, and Michael Johnson.
I remember him as having an excellent ability to dictate a suboptimal play to a QB on third down. My favorite defensive play the Giants have run in many years was the corner blitz on 3rd and 7+ that would cause the QB and WR to run a hot slant right into Kenny Phillips. The result was almost always a 6 yard gain and a punt.
If Spags is the guy it raises the importance of the safety position even more. Need smart players that will take good angles.
Additionally even when the Spags didn't send the corner/nickel blitz the opposing QB had to consider it. These are fraction of a second that are wasted by the QB pre snap and post snap. The more a QB has to worry about the better.
I have a feeling this is exactly where we're headed...
Loved the guy when he was here, his resume since gives me serious pause.
Ideally, I'd like to move forward and not backwards here but if he does come back, I'll welcome him and hope for the best.
I think he'll have some pressure packages with better design and I think he'll be more aggressive but I also think if he's fielding the same level of talent than Fewell was for most of this year, the overall results aren't going to be much different or much better.
Whoever is replacing Fewell is going to need more than just a good scheme to make the Giants a top 10 defense again. Personnel-wise, we're really not that close.
Spags won with CB's straight off the street due to injuries
Not sure I am a fan of rehiring him, frankly I can take it or leave it, but he did have success with injuries.
It's not like we had guys off the street starting at RCB and LCB. Webster was a 2nd rd pick and Ross was a 1st rd pick. Madison was a vet who was one of the best CB's in football in his prime and he was still able to play well when he was here. Dockery was also a pretty good slot CB in the Nickel.
I'm curious as to who's beating the drum of Spags.
Not saying that I'm opposed. Just curious. Is it sports talk radio, BBI, Spags' agent, or somebody in the Giants' front office? Because if it's not the Giants' FO, the drumbeat is just noise.
RE: Spags won with CB's straight off the street due to injuries
Not sure I am a fan of rehiring him, frankly I can take it or leave it, but he did have success with injuries.
But he had Strahan still playing at a high level and starving for a title, Tuck, Osi, Cofield, Kiwi all young and hungry and fast getting after the QB. Who wold he have now?
we will DEFINITELY lose with him second time around, no doubt in our mind.
We have no personnel to speak of.
Really if we hire this guy, we should clean house and even trade Eli - we won't me competent for some time.
The never-ending coaching/system vs talent debate.
MacAdoo and Spags (round 1) have both shown how important good systems that fit the personell are and how they translate to better production on the field.
Subsequently it helps the collective personel play to their potential and well look 'talented'.
Spags returning could very well be part 3 of the lesson ;)
Last time I was confident the Giants could get a stop on 3rd and 7...
...they had a healthy Michael Strahan at LDE. Anyone who thinks Tim Lewis was the main problem from 2004-2006 should check his record with a healthy Strahan.
Good points, of course. If not Spags, who's better and available? Not clear at all. Seems to me that what McAdoo thinks about it -- and I assume he's in line for HC eventually, if not right away -- is going to be relevant.
announced the first time - for the same reason I'd love it now .... because with Spags I know what I'm getting - an attack, play downhill, pressure style of defense. I hated the Giants defense the years before Spags and since he left - for this precise reason.
that it would get rid of Fewell. I will always think highly of Spagnuolo from his time here and I would love to see what he would do for players like JPP, Hankins, Moore, Kennard, Prince, and DRC. I think Kennard would have 8-10 sacks annually under Spags as he would be used a lot like Kiwi was in 2007 when he had his best season prior to breaking his leg and ending up on IR.
RE: I'll believe it when I see it ... but I LOVED the choice when it was
announced the first time - for the same reason I'd love it now .... because with Spags I know what I'm getting - an attack, play downhill, pressure style of defense. I hated the Giants defense the years before Spags and since he left - for this precise reason.
Keep JPP ,re-sign Rolle to a cap friendly deal, then a couple tweaks here and there and this D could make a similar jump as it did from Lewis to Spags a few years ago.
RE: I'm not sure where I am on the Spags argument.
that it would get rid of Fewell. I will always think highly of Spagnuolo from his time here and I would love to see what he would do for players like JPP, Hankins, Moore, Kennard, Prince, and DRC. I think Kennard would have 8-10 sacks annually under Spags as he would be used a lot like Kiwi was in 2007 when he had his best season prior to breaking his leg and ending up on IR.
Kennard had 4.5 sacks this year in a year where he missed 4 games and had nagging hamstring issues for most of the season. Had he played all 16 games without the injuries, I don't think that would have been out of the question anyway.
The best Kiwi ever looked to me was early in 2010 but the neck injury ended his year early and he never really seemed the same afterward.
1) He was a rookie DC when he was here...and did well in year one...most people get better if only from a "been here" sense of confidence that radiates
2) He was a LB coach prior to that...a long ignored aspect of the Giants in FO and coaching mindshare that in the new NFL has resonance.
3) He won here with TC...newbies cannot argue with the idea that he knows something
4) Being through the rigors of an NFL Season at HC/DC since then teaches you from your failures and successes...and teaches you how to reach a wider variety of players and helps you understand what works and what does not
5) Spags was liked by his players because he listened
6) One mark of a good DC is not what scheme he favors...I think that may be over rated...but what evidence there is that he got players to play better?...and within a year?
In one year, Spags got (now not all due to him...but getting out of the way is genius and so is overwhelming evidence he got the best out of what he had):
A great year from OSi (on the run and the pass defense...last guy to get OSi to play run? Remember his game against Walter Jones that year?)
A great year from Tuck
one more good year from Strahan
Ditto Robbins
The best years AP and Mitchell ever had
The best year Corey Webster ever had after a few bad ones
a big contribution from Sam Madison
Ditto young players and rookies like Aaron Ross and Alford
Ditto JAGS like McQuarters, James Butler, Dockery, Gibril Wilson.
In sum...young, old, stars and Jags at all three levels...Dl, LB and DB all were reached,played and felt a part of something big and worked hard and studied and got better and better. Against all different kinds of schemes and challenges as the season went on.
Accident? Maybe....but you would be arguing against a lot of data. Some credit (even if getting out of the way) has to be given.
if it is Spags? A lot of reasons to think its a good thing
Great post Bill
+1. The only thing I would add is his focus on fundamentals. TACKLING. doing your job.
Not sure I am a fan of rehiring him, frankly I can take it or leave it, but he did have success with injuries.
But he had Strahan still playing at a high level and starving for a title, Tuck, Osi, Cofield, Kiwi all young and hungry and fast getting after the QB. Who wold he have now?
How is this defense devoid of talent when DRC and Prince are CB. JPP and Ayers are mid 1st rd picks. Hankins is a 2nd, Moore is a 3rd. Rolle is a former 1st who can still play as is Patterson
What does Phi, Was & Dal have on D that is better
The parts are greater than the sum - that is the fault of the DC
How is this defense devoid of talent when DRC and Prince are CB. JPP and Ayers are mid 1st rd picks. Hankins is a 2nd, Moore is a 3rd. Rolle is a former 1st who can still play as is Patterson
What does Phi, Was & Dal have on D that is better
The parts are greater than the sum - that is the fault of the DC
It's the can't-see-past-the-production-on-the-field phenomena.
Many have trouble understanding the intangibles and can only process what they tangibly perceive.
Coaching and system are intangibles that require looking deeper than just watching an opposing receiver be wide open and saying it's a players fault.
There is quite a bit of talent on this team and we'll see it more visibly when a system that better fits their skillset is in place.
than any defense in NFL history. His defense with the Rams was also poor for the most part.
So, I think the posters who are hesitant about the Giants rehiring him are certainly justified.
However, the Giants personnel fits very well with the type of D Spags likes to run. He likes to use multiple DL packages that emphasize quickness to get to the passer and getting into the backfield to disrupt running plays. He is not a guy who plugs up the middle with massive run-stopping DTs. Jenkins, Hankins and even Bromley would appear to be Spags type DTs. Moore, Wynn and Ayers are exactly the type of DEs he likes.
He puts a lot of responsibility on his corners to play press coverage and go one-on-one. Giants have two of the best in DRC and Prince.
He needs LBers and safeties who can blitz. Kennard has already demonstrated that he can blitz. Giants safeties were awful this year and need to be upgraded regardless of who becomes DC.
Giants were 5th in the league with 47 sacks, playing for a DC, who blitzed only reluctantly. With Spags in charge, this could be a very potent pass rush.
is ok here to defend TC and the results the Giants have had the last few years but gets ignored when looking at other coaches from other teams or even our own assistants.
CBs DRC a great cover 1 guy and Prince a guy who can cover and play in space. Even blitz. You need some backups although Brown maybe serviceable.
Safety is bad but the Taylor kid has flashed at times and Berhe is a hitter.
LB this is really a mess Kennard can be special williams is really a saftey
McClain is a pro but not fast you really have to design a defense that does not require good LBs or hope for a good draft here.
Inside Dline you have a budding star in Hankins but not much more Bromley could be something Kuhn is useless.
DE get JPP back put him at RDE like Strahan he can grow there. Moore is raw and Osi like but can get to the passer. Ayers was a nice find and could be the old vet Wynn can be a good platoon with Moore. This can be a strong unit but you have no 4 aces. Maybe you can do something with Kiwi.
Couple FA and draft moves and this defense can be a force again.
Tom Rock @TomRock_Newsday 4m4 minutes ago
On the other hand, plenty of position coaches on the Giants have worked with - and won with - Spags.
Tom Rock @TomRock_Newsday 5m5 minutes ago
Only 1 current Giants defensive player was here with Spags: Kiwanuka. And we know what will likely become of him.
Right now, I don't care what system we run. It's not like we are tearing it up running the 43 defense. If TC or whoever decides to shakes things up and convert to a 34 I am fine with that. If they want to continue a 43 but get a new DC to run it, that's fine too. Just don't bring back Fewell.
As far as 43 or 34, like I said, I don't care either way. If there was a time to make a chance this would be it. So if we chose to take it or not, I am not in favor of one over the other. Just as long as we hire a different coordinator, fine by me. Just give me an aggressive DC. It's too bad we can't get someone like Bowles or Horton. I loved what they did with Arizona. [/quote]
When Parcells used a 3/4 he had LT, Banks, Carson, Reasons, with Pepper Johnson as a reserve. That was an awesome group. Good LBs is also why the 49ers have been successful until several of them got injured this year. If you want to run a horse race, you need the horses.
Right now, the Giants LBs are mostly mediocre or worse. Kinnard has great potential & Beason can be good if he is not hurt. They have no one else to get excited about. To run a good 3/4 they would need at least 2 successful upgrades at the position & that is not likely. One of the things that I liked about Parcells & Spaguoulo is that they tailored their systems to the players & did not try to force the players into rigid roles that did not suit their talents, as you-know- does.
I think this would be a bad hire. I think he was an OK DC coordinator when here, bolstered by a supremely talented DL. Since he left, he was a joke as a HC, did absolutely nothing in NO except have one of the worst defenses ever, and then took a big step backward in terms of responsibility in Baltimore. I haven't watched enough of their games to make a judgement, but I will point out that while their D overall is decent, he is a secondary coach for one of the worst passing Ds in terms of yardage.
Yeah, a secondary that has been ravaged by injuries. Do you even know about the Ravens' injury situation with their DBs?
I guess Fewell is off the hook too. We had Mike Harris and Chykie Brown getting snaps in the secondary by the end of the season. 3 of our top 4 CB's were on IR before the midway point in the season and the only one who didn't hit IR was playing at far less than 100% for most of the season.
Clearly communicate well with each other and work well together.
I mean, was it lazy when the Steelers brought back Dick Lebough? No.
Exactly. The Spags critics are clueless. LeBeau came back to Pitt and was no longer a threat to become a HC elsewhere as well. I don't think Spags is going to go that route either at anytime in the near future. He's a natural fit.
You are going to mention the part of Spags having the magic potion to ensure having Tuck, Osi and Strahan for 100% of the games (48 of 48) in 2007 compared to the 54% they played the previous season (26 of 48) at some point, correct?
Sure helps a lot. Those 3 alone combined for 9 sacks in '06 and 32 in '07.
The schemes were totally different. Sure it obviously helps when your 3 guys stay healthy. But then again, when it comes to our team when have we actually stayed healthy? It seems like for years we have had positions get gutted. From LBs, to CBs, to RBs, to almost any position. This has been happening for a while. This year it was Cbs. Yeah it would be great if guys can stay healthy. You are correct it would help if those 3 could have stayed healthy. It also helps when you supplement your pass rushers with additional blitzes, you know ones, that actually get home. The creative use of personnel, and different blitz packages aided in the 21 sack increase. I did game break downs and some of the stuff he was doing was great to see when you draft it all up and map each play for a whole game.
He overloaded A gap, while bringing in a safety and then a CB from the slot. It was great blitz packages that forced the QB to get rid of the ball early or get sacked. You could not step up because someone was coming from A gap. You could not move around left or right, because your DEs were coming around the corner. If by chance you saw daylight to try to move around, you saw a slot Cb coming in.
Not to mention, moving personnel where Ross would be the safety on different plays but give the pre snap shell of a Cb. He fucked with opposing offenses while bringing in pressure.
That's why the sacks increased by a lot. You could very well have the Perry Fewell rush 4 and drop everyone else back, and teams could negate your pass rush by getting rid of the ball quickly.
But our scheme factored with our players accounted for an increase in sacks, which by the way was higher than Lewis in 2004,05, and 06.
04- 40 sacks
05- 41 sacks
06- 32 sacks.
That's just factoring sacks alone and not scheme which sucked and led to his firing. His treatment of Webster was god awful. You took a guy with potential and basically played zone with him. He used to berate the guy.
Spags changed the scheme and played man press with Webster and Webster responded.
07-53 sacks total
32 by those 3 and 21 more from other players.
Not only that Spags is actually the only coach under TC to get a HCing gig. Overall TCs coaching tree hasn't progressed. Tim Lewis hasn't even gotten another DC gig.
What's worse is the the guy made the playoffs 2/3 years AND still gets fired. That 23-20 loss to the Eagles in the wild game was awful. We had the god damn lead, and McNabb marched down the field and it set up an Akers FG.
Think of it this way. A DC goes to the playoffs 2/3 years, once against the Panthers at home, and once against the Eagles away, both loses. You would think this DC is a good DC that you can build upon by getting even more payers. I never was a fan of Lewis, but they fired his ass after going to the playoffs twice. Not only that he couldn't get a damn DC job again. 9 years as a position coach after that 2006 firing. There was a big different in how both coaches coached their defenses. Hence one guy being the most successful of the TC coaches, even though he didn't do well as a HC. Still out of all the coaches, he is the guy who got a HCing gig in the NFL while the others have not.
I never was a fan of the hirings of Tim Lewis, Sheridan and Fewell. But like I mentioned in this thread or another one, I don't care who we hire as a DC as long as they are aggressive. It's too bad we can't get Bowles or Horton as our DC. I like aggressive nature. I don't even care what system we use, 34 or stick with a 43 as long as this defense plays better. Right now. I have zero faith in our defense.
Just about any new hire will be able to do just as good a job.
Spags didn't pan out as a HC, that happens, so maybe his niche is as a DC in a stable environment such as the one the Giants provided under Coughlin?
I would like to see him brought back cause what matters to me is that he had success while he was here.
I remember him as having an excellent ability to dictate a suboptimal play to a QB on third down. My favorite defensive play the Giants have run in many years was the corner blitz on 3rd and 7+ that would cause the QB and WR to run a hot slant right into Kenny Phillips. The result was almost always a 6 yard gain and a punt.
If Spags is the guy it raises the importance of the safety position even more. Need smart players that will take good angles.
Additionally even when the Spags didn't send the corner/nickel blitz the opposing QB had to consider it. These are fraction of a second that are wasted by the QB pre snap and post snap. The more a QB has to worry about the better.
Ideally, I'd like to move forward and not backwards here but if he does come back, I'll welcome him and hope for the best.
I think he'll have some pressure packages with better design and I think he'll be more aggressive but I also think if he's fielding the same level of talent than Fewell was for most of this year, the overall results aren't going to be much different or much better.
Whoever is replacing Fewell is going to need more than just a good scheme to make the Giants a top 10 defense again. Personnel-wise, we're really not that close.
That's all fine and dandy.
If people think we have good PLAYERS outside of maybe 6 or 7, I think they are insane.
Our PLAYERS suck for the most part.
We have no personnel to speak of.
Really if we hire this guy, we should clean house and even trade Eli - we won't me competent for some time.
It's not like we had guys off the street starting at RCB and LCB. Webster was a 2nd rd pick and Ross was a 1st rd pick. Madison was a vet who was one of the best CB's in football in his prime and he was still able to play well when he was here. Dockery was also a pretty good slot CB in the Nickel.
But he had Strahan still playing at a high level and starving for a title, Tuck, Osi, Cofield, Kiwi all young and hungry and fast getting after the QB. Who wold he have now?
We have no personnel to speak of.
Really if we hire this guy, we should clean house and even trade Eli - we won't me competent for some time.
The never-ending coaching/system vs talent debate.
MacAdoo and Spags (round 1) have both shown how important good systems that fit the personell are and how they translate to better production on the field.
Subsequently it helps the collective personel play to their potential and well look 'talented'.
Spags returning could very well be part 3 of the lesson ;)
Keep JPP ,re-sign Rolle to a cap friendly deal, then a couple tweaks here and there and this D could make a similar jump as it did from Lewis to Spags a few years ago.
Thank you.
Kennard had 4.5 sacks this year in a year where he missed 4 games and had nagging hamstring issues for most of the season. Had he played all 16 games without the injuries, I don't think that would have been out of the question anyway.
The best Kiwi ever looked to me was early in 2010 but the neck injury ended his year early and he never really seemed the same afterward.
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"why Spags"?
1) He was a rookie DC when he was here...and did well in year one...most people get better if only from a "been here" sense of confidence that radiates
2) He was a LB coach prior to that...a long ignored aspect of the Giants in FO and coaching mindshare that in the new NFL has resonance.
3) He won here with TC...newbies cannot argue with the idea that he knows something
4) Being through the rigors of an NFL Season at HC/DC since then teaches you from your failures and successes...and teaches you how to reach a wider variety of players and helps you understand what works and what does not
5) Spags was liked by his players because he listened
6) One mark of a good DC is not what scheme he favors...I think that may be over rated...but what evidence there is that he got players to play better?...and within a year?
In one year, Spags got (now not all due to him...but getting out of the way is genius and so is overwhelming evidence he got the best out of what he had):
A great year from OSi (on the run and the pass defense...last guy to get OSi to play run? Remember his game against Walter Jones that year?)
A great year from Tuck
one more good year from Strahan
Ditto Robbins
The best years AP and Mitchell ever had
The best year Corey Webster ever had after a few bad ones
a big contribution from Sam Madison
Ditto young players and rookies like Aaron Ross and Alford
Ditto JAGS like McQuarters, James Butler, Dockery, Gibril Wilson.
In sum...young, old, stars and Jags at all three levels...Dl, LB and DB all were reached,played and felt a part of something big and worked hard and studied and got better and better. Against all different kinds of schemes and challenges as the season went on.
Accident? Maybe....but you would be arguing against a lot of data. Some credit (even if getting out of the way) has to be given.
if it is Spags? A lot of reasons to think its a good thing
Great post Bill
+1. The only thing I would add is his focus on fundamentals. TACKLING. doing your job.
It was 2008 after he was moved back to DE last minute after Osi got hurt in the Jet preseason game.
He played an excellent 2-way game that year, go back and look at his performance in Pittsburgh, among others.
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Not sure I am a fan of rehiring him, frankly I can take it or leave it, but he did have success with injuries.
But he had Strahan still playing at a high level and starving for a title, Tuck, Osi, Cofield, Kiwi all young and hungry and fast getting after the QB. Who wold he have now?
Moore, Wynn, Hankins, Kennard, possibly JPP
It was 2008 after he was moved back to DE last minute after Osi got hurt in the Jet preseason game.
He played an excellent 2-way game that year, go back and look at his performance in Pittsburgh, among others.
Totally agree. He was a top DE according to PFF a couple of those years.
He was TERRIBLE up until that Buffalo game.
What does Phi, Was & Dal have on D that is better
The parts are greater than the sum - that is the fault of the DC
What does Phi, Was & Dal have on D that is better
The parts are greater than the sum - that is the fault of the DC
It's the can't-see-past-the-production-on-the-field phenomena.
Many have trouble understanding the intangibles and can only process what they tangibly perceive.
Coaching and system are intangibles that require looking deeper than just watching an opposing receiver be wide open and saying it's a players fault.
There is quite a bit of talent on this team and we'll see it more visibly when a system that better fits their skillset is in place.
It was 2008 after he was moved back to DE last minute after Osi got hurt in the Jet preseason game.
He played an excellent 2-way game that year, go back and look at his performance in Pittsburgh, among others.
No shit. He broke his leg in 2007 and injured his neck in 2010.
He had 4 sacks in the first 3 games of 2010 and looked outstanding early on before the neck injury and to my eyes, has not been the same player since.
So, I think the posters who are hesitant about the Giants rehiring him are certainly justified.
However, the Giants personnel fits very well with the type of D Spags likes to run. He likes to use multiple DL packages that emphasize quickness to get to the passer and getting into the backfield to disrupt running plays. He is not a guy who plugs up the middle with massive run-stopping DTs. Jenkins, Hankins and even Bromley would appear to be Spags type DTs. Moore, Wynn and Ayers are exactly the type of DEs he likes.
He puts a lot of responsibility on his corners to play press coverage and go one-on-one. Giants have two of the best in DRC and Prince.
He needs LBers and safeties who can blitz. Kennard has already demonstrated that he can blitz. Giants safeties were awful this year and need to be upgraded regardless of who becomes DC.
Giants were 5th in the league with 47 sacks, playing for a DC, who blitzed only reluctantly. With Spags in charge, this could be a very potent pass rush.
You can't have it both ways.
Safety is bad but the Taylor kid has flashed at times and Berhe is a hitter.
LB this is really a mess Kennard can be special williams is really a saftey
McClain is a pro but not fast you really have to design a defense that does not require good LBs or hope for a good draft here.
Inside Dline you have a budding star in Hankins but not much more Bromley could be something Kuhn is useless.
DE get JPP back put him at RDE like Strahan he can grow there. Moore is raw and Osi like but can get to the passer. Ayers was a nice find and could be the old vet Wynn can be a good platoon with Moore. This can be a strong unit but you have no 4 aces. Maybe you can do something with Kiwi.
Couple FA and draft moves and this defense can be a force again.
On the other hand, plenty of position coaches on the Giants have worked with - and won with - Spags.
Tom Rock @TomRock_Newsday 5m5 minutes ago
Only 1 current Giants defensive player was here with Spags: Kiwanuka. And we know what will likely become of him.
50..50. If thats true and TC is fighting to
keep a bad coach he's nuts.
50..50. If thats true and TC is fighting to
keep a bad coach he's nuts.
Where do you see 50/50???
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Top reporters saying Fewell firing is
50..50. If thats true and TC is fighting to
keep a bad coach he's nuts.
Where do you see 50/50???
Mmmm. Slater's 50/50 sounds good about now. Ever been, Damon?
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Top reporters saying Fewell firing is
50..50. If thats true and TC is fighting to
keep a bad coach he's nuts.
Where do you see 50/50???
You can basically ignore every single post bossman makes.
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Right now, I don't care what system we run. It's not like we are tearing it up running the 43 defense. If TC or whoever decides to shakes things up and convert to a 34 I am fine with that. If they want to continue a 43 but get a new DC to run it, that's fine too. Just don't bring back Fewell.
As far as 43 or 34, like I said, I don't care either way. If there was a time to make a chance this would be it. So if we chose to take it or not, I am not in favor of one over the other. Just as long as we hire a different coordinator, fine by me. Just give me an aggressive DC. It's too bad we can't get someone like Bowles or Horton. I loved what they did with Arizona. [/quote]
When Parcells used a 3/4 he had LT, Banks, Carson, Reasons, with Pepper Johnson as a reserve. That was an awesome group. Good LBs is also why the 49ers have been successful until several of them got injured this year. If you want to run a horse race, you need the horses.
Right now, the Giants LBs are mostly mediocre or worse. Kinnard has great potential & Beason can be good if he is not hurt. They have no one else to get excited about. To run a good 3/4 they would need at least 2 successful upgrades at the position & that is not likely. One of the things that I liked about Parcells & Spaguoulo is that they tailored their systems to the players & did not try to force the players into rigid roles that did not suit their talents, as you-know- does.
Reese , TC and Eli have done enough to prove to me that they know much more then anyone else on this forum.
so shut up and let it play out
Yeah, a secondary that has been ravaged by injuries. Do you even know about the Ravens' injury situation with their DBs?
I mean, was it lazy when the Steelers brought back Dick Lebough? No.
Exactly. The Spags critics are clueless. LeBeau came back to Pitt and was no longer a threat to become a HC elsewhere as well. I don't think Spags is going to go that route either at anytime in the near future. He's a natural fit.