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Jerry Reese returning

sphinx : 12/29/2014 1:44 pm
Ralph Vacchiano 5 minutes ago
I thought this was clear by their lunch date, but ... A source confirms Giants GM Jerry Reese is returning for 2015, too.

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No question that Reese has found plenty of gems.  
an_idol_mind : 12/29/2014 2:23 pm : link
But ignoring the lines has led the team to the level it is currently at.

An injury-ravaged defensive line was just as big a reason as Plax shooting himself that the Giants faded down the stretch in 2008. Next to nothing was done to improve the depth there.

The running game was a major weakness in 2009, and the only attempt to address the problems with the offensive line was Mitch Petrus.

Both O'Hara and Seubert got crippled by injury in 2010 and McKenzie began slipping in his effectiveness. The attempt to fix this included Baas (who I can't fault Reese for, since there was no indication he'd be such an injury problem) and James Brewer.

2011 featured a bottom-ranked rushing attack, so it made sense to go looking for a running back, but the much bigger problem was the line. David Wilson (another pick Reese can't be faulted for) was brought in as a fix, but nothing was done with the line except for a couple low draft picks and a journeyman free agent. Meanwhile, despite JPP's brilliant performance, both Osi and Tuck were obviously starting to become ineffective.

The last couple of years have been solid in their attempts to rebuild the line, so maybe the lesson has been learned, but we're talking about a long period of time when the offensive line and, to a lesser extent the defensive line, mostly got ignored.
There's a lot you can say about Reese  
BlackLight : 12/29/2014 2:23 pm : link
but I don't think he's been bad in terms of cap-o-nomics and negotiating team-friendly deals with players (Eli, perhaps, notwithstanding).
The last couple of drafts DID NOT look better.  
Red Dog : 12/29/2014 2:26 pm : link
The 2014 draft looked pretty good, but the 2013 draft was more third day garbage.

After two solid picks at the top (Pugh & Hankins) they took D. Moore who is still a question mark going forward. The guy definitely has talent, but he is still a loose cannon. Could turn into a very good player, but the operative word there is could.

The third day was another draft disaster. Two picks blown on a QB that they don't ever want to take the field, a Safety who can play but who couldn't stay on the field in college and now can't stay healthy in the NFL, and a Guard and a Running Back who do not appear to have a future with the team. And that is precisely why this team is saddled with shit player personnel all over the place. Nothing of value on the third day. NOTHING AT ALL!
6-10 what a joke...  
DJ5150 : 12/29/2014 2:30 pm : link
...the GM of a pathetic lack of talent disaster...a 6-10 team, worse than last years 7-9 team....get ready for another shitty year and ,more excuses....Might as well extend Fewell and make Quinn the assistant HC....Give them all a big raise!..Welcome to 2015 NYG Football where losing is now acceptable and the norm...most of all you dont have to be accountable for it!
RE: 6-10 what a joke...  
Giants2012 : 12/29/2014 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12060522 DJ5150 said:
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...the GM of a pathetic lack of talent disaster...a 6-10 team, worse than last years 7-9 team....get ready for another shitty year and ,more excuses....Might as well extend Fewell and make Quinn the assistant HC....Give them all a big raise!..Welcome to 2015 NYG Football where losing is now acceptable and the norm...most of all you dont have to be accountable for it!


If they didn't have so many players on IR, IMO, they would all be gone.
Reese's performance  
Josh in MD : 12/29/2014 2:34 pm : link
His principal responsibility, I believe, is to assemble talent. The Gmen had exactly ZERO players voted to the pro-bowl. I'd love to be evaluated in my job by whatever yardstick posters here are using to conclude that Reese is a good GM.
RE: RE: 6-10 what a joke...  
an_idol_mind : 12/29/2014 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12060527 Giants2012 said:
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If they didn't have so many players on IR, IMO, they would all be gone.


If they didn't have so many players on IR, IMO, the Giants would be in the playoffs.
RE: Reese's performance  
an_idol_mind : 12/29/2014 2:38 pm : link
In comment 12060541 Josh in MD said:
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His principal responsibility, I believe, is to assemble talent. The Gmen had exactly ZERO players voted to the pro-bowl. I'd love to be evaluated in my job by whatever yardstick posters here are using to conclude that Reese is a good GM.


So the fact that his top pick is looking like the best receiver in franchise history should get discounted because the Pro Bowl voting system sucks?

Dammit, I'm on board with criticizing Reese, but there's plenty of ammo to do so without reaching for stuff like the obviously terrible Pro Bowl system.
Jerry Reese to OBJ:  
SHO'NUFF : 12/29/2014 2:42 pm : link
"Odell, I'd like to introduce you to my daughter... ahem, excuse us, Reuben..."
Reese will not get fired until he gets input on a future HC,  
dpinzow : 12/29/2014 2:44 pm : link
gets a chance to draft his own QB, and both fail spectacularly. The last time the Giants fired a GM, Jimmy Carter was President

George Young retired on his own accord after letting the team deteriorate significantly after two SBs
Accorsi retired on his own accord after SB 42
RE: RE: RE: 6-10 what a joke...  
Victor in CT : 12/29/2014 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12060549 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 12060527 Giants2012 said:


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If they didn't have so many players on IR, IMO, they would all be gone.



If they didn't have so many players on IR, IMO, the Giants would be in the playoffs.


Most of those players players sucked. Exceptions would be Prince, Thurmond and Cruz. There were no great pass rushers, LBs, S, or OLs on that list.
RE: Reese will not get fired until he gets input on a future HC,  
dpinzow : 12/29/2014 2:46 pm : link
In comment 12060619 dpinzow said:
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gets a chance to draft his own QB, and both fail spectacularly. The last time the Giants fired a GM, Jimmy Carter was President

George Young retired on his own accord after letting the team deteriorate significantly after two SBs
Accorsi retired on his own accord after SB 42


Sorry, Accorsi left the year before SB 42 (2006) but was not fired, my mistake
I think  
Arcanum : 12/29/2014 2:48 pm : link
He will at least get to decide on a head coach, before he is fired.
I DEMAND SOMEONE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!!  
BeerFridge : 12/29/2014 2:54 pm : link
good 2/3 are back  
micky : 12/29/2014 2:54 pm : link
Keep continuity
Too bad  
Marty866b : 12/29/2014 2:56 pm : link
Really wanted Reese gone. He had one special draft(2007). That was a long time ago. The 2007 team was mostly made of Accorsi's players and the 2011 team was 9-7 before a magical run. His drafts on the whole have been mediocre,at best. I can't understand the love here for him. He's not the worst GM in the league,far from the best.
RE: Too bad  
Greg from LI : 12/29/2014 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12060692 Marty866b said:
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Really wanted Reese gone. He had one special draft(2007). That was a long time ago. The 2007 team was mostly made of Accorsi's players and the 2011 team was 9-7 before a magical run. His drafts on the whole have been mediocre,at best. I can't understand the love here for him. He's not the worst GM in the league,far from the best.


Accorsi's players, my ass. Ernie couldn't draft for shit before Reese started running the draft for him.
Reese is a damn good GM  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 12/29/2014 3:11 pm : link
and hopefully with both an OC and DC that put their players in the best position to succeed, we will begin to see the true level of talent that has been somewhat obscured previously.
The Wilson pick.  
Jerz44 : 12/29/2014 3:14 pm : link
This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.

The last two drafts seem like a nice course correction for  
BeerFridge : 12/29/2014 3:16 pm : link
the Giants drafting trends. It may be that they needed a process change that they've already implemented.
The 2012 draft  
chrispisano66 : 12/29/2014 3:21 pm : link
hurts a lot but Randle emerging (fingers crossed) over the last weeks of the season, would go a long way.

2013-Pugh, Moore, Hankins

and 2014-OBJ, Richburg, Williams, Kennard and possibly Berhe

It really seems things have been improving as far as personnel.

Now he needs to hit home runs on retaining JPP and extending Eli on hopefully reasonable deals for both..
RE: The Wilson pick.  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 12/29/2014 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12060766 Jerz44 said:
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This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.


He showed flashes of gamebreaking talent as a dual threat and KR returner. And it was the very bottom of round 1. Those are the types of RBs which are OK to take late round 1 if utilized properly. Would have loved to see what MacAdoo could have done with him.
RE: The Wilson pick.  
an_idol_mind : 12/29/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12060766 Jerz44 said:
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This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.


I don't think it was a bad pick. I would like to know what course of thinking saw the bad offensive line from 2011 and decided that the way to fix that problem was with a running back, wide receiver, and moving Diehl from left tackle to right.
RE: The Wilson pick.  
Victor in CT : 12/29/2014 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12060766 Jerz44 said:
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This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.


I disagree that you "never pick an RB in Round 1", but I did not like the pick because it epitomized the things that I felt Reese has been doing wrong in the draft. 1) he was undersized 2) he was a bit of a project in that he did not project to be an every down back 3) his "athleticism" was valued more than his football acumen.

All that said, it wasn't a great draft year, there weren't many top players taken immediately following him . Maybe a case could have been made for Fleener or Courtney Upshaw. There was also a lot of press at the time that the Giants wanted Doug Martin but the Bucs grabbed him at # #1. I liked him better because he was 1, BIGGER and 2 a more complete football player.
RE: RE: Too bad  
GeofromNJ : 12/29/2014 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12060698 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12060692 Marty866b said:


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Really wanted Reese gone. He had one special draft(2007). That was a long time ago. The 2007 team was mostly made of Accorsi's players and the 2011 team was 9-7 before a magical run. His drafts on the whole have been mediocre,at best. I can't understand the love here for him. He's not the worst GM in the league,far from the best.



Accorsi's players, my ass. Ernie couldn't draft for shit before Reese started running the draft for him.

Accorsi joined the Giants in 1994 and became GM in 1998. Reese was a Giants college scout 1994-1997, pro scout 1997-2004, and director of player personnel 2004–2007. Accorsi retired in 2007. Are you saying that all the players Accorsi drafted from 1994 to 2007 were based on Reese evaluations and recommendations? If not, when did Accorsi begin to make selections based on Reese? I ask because the quality of Giants' drafts between 1994 and 2007 when Accorsi retired is fairly consistent in terms of hits and misses. So either Reese made little difference after becoming director of player personnel or Reese was always the go-to guy for Accorsi, which means that Accorsi must have had terrible drafts when he was GM in Cleveland. Except that's not quite true. I'm not an Accorsi fan, but I'm curious as to when you think Reese became the brain of Accorsi.
Good News on the Ross front??  
Bleedin Blue : 12/29/2014 3:40 pm : link
It was reported (NFLN) that Ross will be a candidate for open GM position interviews, let's hope someone takes him off our hands!
* #31 *  
Victor in CT : 12/29/2014 3:40 pm : link
sorry
Greg from L.I.  
Marty866b : 12/29/2014 3:43 pm : link
Yeah, I agree,Reese is or was a good scout.He's not doing that any longer. He has a scouting dept which hasn't exactly been stellar. Who do you blame for the lack of talent?
BTW,the 2007 roster was made up of Accorsi's players. It doesn't matter who scouted for him.
RE: I DEMAND SOMEONE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!!  
DJ5150 : 12/29/2014 3:45 pm : link
You dont care?.....the GM is responsible for the talent on this team and failed...we have Eli and ODBJ....whoopie fucking doo....6-10 failure
Somebody should leak a report that Ross, & Ross alone, wanted OBJ  
GloryDayz : 12/29/2014 3:46 pm : link
Even if its total BS. Think that would improve his chances going somewhere else?
as I said in another thread  
ColHowPepper : 12/29/2014 3:49 pm : link
OBJ probably bought Reese another two years of job security, just as two SB wins bought Coughlin near-lifetime tenure (hopefully jk on that). I know the smart money here thought Reese was a lock to return, but like Marty I wanted him gone, with Ross preceding him out the door. Too many misses on high picks, virtually 100% misses on Day 3.
RE: RE: I DEMAND SOMEONE BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!!  
BeerFridge : 12/29/2014 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12060865 DJ5150 said:
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You dont care?.....the GM is responsible for the talent on this team and failed...we have Eli and ODBJ....whoopie fucking doo....6-10 failure


Hey, if you want to root for a team that fires folks whenever they have a losing season, the Jets are probably looking for fans.

Reese is either the guy to improve the team or not. Firing him for the sake of "someone must be accountable" is fucking dumb. If he's not the guy, then fine, fire him. But don't just fire him because "6-10". I trust Mara and company to make their determination if Reese is the guy or not.
RE: Greg from L.I.  
an_idol_mind : 12/29/2014 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12060858 Marty866b said:
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BTW,the 2007 roster was made up of Accorsi's players. It doesn't matter who scouted for him.


To be fair to Reese, it's not like 2007 was a clear-cut year where the Giants were a stacked team without any transition.

Tiki Barber had just retired, leaving the running game questionable. Reese decided to stick with Jacobs and Ward, added Bradshaw in the draft, and traded Tim Carter to get Reuben Droughns who filled in well.

The team had little depth in the passing game, so he added Steve Smith and Kevin Boss.

The fullback situation was a mess, and he picked up Madison Hedgecock.

He made the move to bring in Kawika Mitchell, and his only big mistake there was in not signing him to a longer contract.

He got rid of Jay Feeley and brought in Lawrence Tynes, who, unlike Feeley, had the ability to shake off a bad game and kick a game-winner.

He made a controversial decision to cut Luke Petitgout and move David Diehl to left tackle full-time, which turned out to be a very good move.

He brought in Domenik Hixon, who turned into a big contributor on special teams.

And, of course, he had his amazing draft.

Accorsi deserves credit for his contributions to that championship team, but to say that it wasn't a team Reese built is to show a vast ignorance of the personnel moves that were made before and during that season.
...  
SamTheTram : 12/29/2014 3:58 pm : link
Sure he can stay. He's been incredibly unlucky with injuries.

He's lost Nicks, Smith, Thomas, Phillips, Manningham, and Boss all to premature career ending injuries before any of them hit their prime. These were all productive players who were key cogs in some superbowls. We'd look a lot different if even half of these guys were healthy enough to keep around.
Reese did not ingnore the lines  
oipolloi : 12/29/2014 3:58 pm : link
OL: He drafted Pugh and Richburg (1st and 2nd) and signed Beatty, Baas and Snee to big contracts. The problem was injuries to Snee and Baas.

DL: In the last five years, Reese drafted JPP (1), Linval (2) Hankins (2) Austin (2) and Moore (3). How can that possibly be construed as ignoring the lines?


So, Reese made one bad pick (Austin) and made a mistake restructuring Snee and Baas. However, the Snee and Baas contracts were roundly endorsed by BBI at the time, as was the Austin pick, so it smacks of Monday morning QBing to slam Reese for them.



RE: Reese did not ingnore the lines  
Moondwg : 12/29/2014 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12060924 oipolloi said:
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OL: He drafted Pugh and Richburg (1st and 2nd) and signed Beatty, Baas and Snee to big contracts. The problem was injuries to Snee and Baas.

DL: In the last five years, Reese drafted JPP (1), Linval (2) Hankins (2) Austin (2) and Moore (3). How can that possibly be construed as ignoring the lines?


So, Reese made one bad pick (Austin) and made a mistake restructuring Snee and Baas. However, the Snee and Baas contracts were roundly endorsed by BBI at the time, as was the Austin pick, so it smacks of Monday morning QBing to slam Reese for them.




Reese was also right when he held firm and said that Diehl could be a quality left tackle and we all said "hell no!".
Overall he did a very good job  
KWALL : 12/29/2014 4:20 pm : link
adding talent in the last 12 months so I'm glad he's coming back.
Listen the truth is the Reese  
Jay on the Island : 12/29/2014 4:24 pm : link
has struggled recently especially in the draft but over the past two years has done an excellent job with Beckham, Richburg Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Kennard. Also the jury is still out on Williams, Bromley, Cooper Taylor, Berhe, Bromley, and Nassib. He also found Kerry Wynn as an UDFA who looks like a solid backup DE. I think it would have been a mistake to fire him as I think most of the recent draft struggles have come at the hands of Marc Ross as many have mentioned already.

Let's not forget the unusual amount of injuries that have plagued many of the picks and ruined their careers like Sintim, Chad Jones, Manningham, Steve Smith, Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas, Hakeem Nicks, and David Wilson.
Odell Beckham saved his job..  
prdave73 : 12/29/2014 4:27 pm : link
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Inadequate job with the lines  
Frank from CA : 12/29/2014 4:41 pm : link
The front office did an inadequate job of signing and drafting able OL and DL to protect our franchise twice Superbowl MVP QB and generating a pass rush respectively. You can defend the FO since they are professional football men, but, at some point they have to accept the responsibility of doing an inadequate job. Butt licking isn't good enough. I wonder if Eli lost years to his career due to this crappy line situation which has been a reality since the last NFC Championship game that Eli fortunately survived.

This team is not a playoff team and it is due to the Lines being awful. Other teams have done a better job and did not have to draft first rounders to do so. Its about acquiring NFL able personnel and coaching the into a unit where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. In addition that requires TEs and RBs that can block and not drafting one dimensional downhill LBs.

What Reese's group needs to do with the responsibility they have to is to find (Scout and evaluate) actual football players who want to reach the pinnacle (at least be competitive for an entire game), not just prepare for retirement or ride the pine making a NFL salary.

I am not into firing people unless you have a better option available. But to defend this FO for the past three seasons is rather insulting. Injuries and player departures happen across the league. Its a part of the NFL. The Giants have a franchise QB. Which is a harder trick than assembling a front line.

I hope Reese can get his organization back in the business of acquiring football players. The past two seasons were contents of an air-sickness bag. If we don't get a better line we'll be wasting OBJr, an incredible talent on top of an actual franchise QB.
RE: The Wilson pick.  
GeofromNJ : 12/29/2014 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12060766 Jerz44 said:
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This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.

For me, the Wilson pick was a miss, not because Wilson was a running back, but because, despite his speed, his talent was limited. From the line of scrimmage, he was essentially an outside runner. That works in college, but pro linebackers are both fast and knowledgeable. If he had the ability to run inside like Tiki or even Rashad Jennings, I'd say it was a great pick. But Wilson either couldn't read the line of scrimmage or couldn't quickly adjust to openings. Essentially, Reese drafted a great kick returner whose career ended abruptly. Is a kick returner worthy of a 1st round selection? Maybe in years past, but with the new rules, many kickoffs go out of the end zone.
JR  
Dragon : 12/29/2014 6:48 pm : link
Got a bad deal here since he is still linked to TC and I just don't see this team winning next year with the TC & Eli horror show.
RE: The Wilson pick.  
Giants2012 : 12/30/2014 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12060766 Jerz44 said:
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This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.


That was the year they NEEDED to go OL. To make matters worse, they claimed they "never expected" Randle to be there in the 2nd round too. The OL was desperate to be addressed and I agree, it was too early for HB. Afterall, the Giants had been going with 4th Rounder Jacobs and 7th Rounder Bradshaw successfully for a long while.
I have to say  
giantsfan227B : 12/30/2014 1:14 pm : link
when JR was asked about missing the playoffs in 5 of 6 years, his answer pissed me off. Well, you can look at stats any way you want. Prior to the losing we had winning seasons. We won super bowls.

After Mara basically said next year is win or else I was surprised to hear JR sound like yeah it sucks we have missed the playoffs. We will try harder.
RE: The Wilson pick.  
djm : 12/30/2014 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12060766 Jerz44 said:
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This pick still bothers me. I hear a lot of people say it was bad luck because he had an injury, but I don't buy that. You should never pick a RB in round 1. There's too much talent at the position, you can find them in rounds 3-7.


MYTH.

Go look at the best RBs in the NFL. Most were drafted in rounds 1-3.

You can find talent at any position at any pick in the draft but make no mistake, it's harder to find elite talent in the back end of the draft no matter what position save for maybe OG and of course slot corners and blocking TEs...

You want an elite RB, the odds are you're gonna have to draft that guy early, not late. Arian Foster is the exception and so is Bradshaw.
but yes  
djm : 12/30/2014 2:40 pm : link
the Wilson pick sucked. That whole draft sucked even if Randle turns into a good WR.
RE: Reese is a damn good GM  
Reese's Pieces : 12/31/2014 1:21 am : link
In comment 12060752 Jolly_Blue_Giant said:
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and hopefully with both an OC and DC that put their players in the best position to succeed, we will begin to see the true level of talent that has been somewhat obscured previously.


The team has gone from Super Bowl win to 9-7 no playoffs to 7-9 to 6-10. What would have to happen for you to think that Reese was not damn fine.

An NFL team is a lot like an army. The field commanders say that they take the blame for losing the campaign and then they sack all their generals.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 12/31/2014 6:44 am : link
Both asses (TC & Reese) are on the line in '15. I think that's crystal clear after hearing Mara yesterday.
RE: Odell Beckham saved his job..  
dcable : 12/31/2014 12:31 pm : link
In comment 12061013 prdave73 said:
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Prob more so saved TC's job. Without OB, they would have prob been 3-13
RE: RE: Reese is a damn good GM  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 12/31/2014 1:51 pm : link
In comment 12064461 Reese's Pieces said:
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In comment 12060752 Jolly_Blue_Giant said:


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and hopefully with both an OC and DC that put their players in the best position to succeed, we will begin to see the true level of talent that has been somewhat obscured previously.



The team has gone from Super Bowl win to 9-7 no playoffs to 7-9 to 6-10. What would have to happen for you to think that Reese was not damn fine.

An NFL team is a lot like an army. The field commanders say that they take the blame for losing the campaign and then they sack all their generals.


Reese is a great GM. None are perfect but his hit percentage is up there with the top ones.
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