Cause that's all that fucking matters. I would take that in a heartbeat too and I love Beckham.
In hindsight no way do you take that if offered. Beckham is worth more than that how good he can be. Of course we didn't know that when it happened. And obviously if it was us we offered it, not them.
In hindsight no way do you take that if offered. Beckham is worth more than that how good he can be. Of course we didn't know that when it happened. And obviously if it was us we offered it, not them.
He also could be full of shit.
In hindsight, yeah but at the time a lot of people here had some doubts about him. I didn't follow him at all in college so I had no idea what we had in him.
That's a pretty elite group. Clowney and a few studs at the top. The fact that there were two other stud prospects at the same position. Throw in a couple qb's and considering positional needs. Not like a mid-late round guy where he was an afterthought. Tons of teams clearly loved him.
Looking back now, sure he'd go even higher but the two wr before him were also studs.
Sooo happy we got him though. Really wanted a wr but he was talked more about as a late first or 2nd until the combine. As a result, didn't read much about him until shortly before the draft, and don't follow college much.
Cause that's all that fucking matters. I would take that in a heartbeat too and I love Beckham.
No way would I trade Beckham for that now. There's virtually no chance you end up with players who, combined, have the impact Beckham is having on this team. Truly great players are invaluable and no trade in the world would be worth their value (LT being the best example - in hindsight I wouldn't have accepted 20 1st round picks to end up watching LT play for a team other than the Giants.
Beckham isn't LT but he looks like a special, special player and right now there isn't an offer that could interest me in letting him go to a different team. Like LT, he's untradable IMO.
but the way that smart football analysts, NFL front office members, and players/coaches around the league are talking about Beckham makes this feel so crazy. It's like they've reached the same conclusion as all of us, and now they all throw compliments at him and pat themselves on the back with "I wanted him during the draft" comments.
I just love some of these quotes from the Eagles. Even after they tried to take his head off and even after he showed them up by "DeSean-ing" his way into the endzone.
"Best young receiver in the league," cornerback Brandon Boykin said. "By far."
"He is special," defensive coordinator Billy Davis said. "We thought it was best to matchup Cary to Beckham."
"We doubled and bracketed and clouded and stayed over top of him the rest of the game," Davis said
"You have to compete with him," Boykins said. "Because he is going to compete every play...He can do everything."
That doesn't even include Chip Kelly claiming Beckham was his #1 WR prospect during the draft.
David Gettleman deserves credit for being the first non-Giant
I really like following the Panthers and Gettlman is a huge reason why. He is one of the most enjoyable GMs to listen to when he gives a press conference because he is blunt and tells it how it is. Complete opposite from Jerry Reese (not a knock, just an observation).
The Gettleman press conference on Kelvin Benjamin was no exception. He said in the conference that there was another guy that he thought might be there but was "long gone". A minute or two later after that comment he was asked about Kelvin Benjamin's route running and he immediately cuts off the reporter and says "The only receiver in the draft who's route running you can't question is Odell Beckham".
Those comments and the Panthers being rumored to have liked ODB in the draft process tells me that Gettleman really liked him.
one of the Giants main reasons for picking him was because they considered him to be the best route runner of all the WRs, and with Nicks gone they needed someone who they felt could contribute immediately. They probably wouldn't have gone WR with the first pick if Beckham wasn't available.
Early in the draft process is because the nfl professionals had yet to start really drilling down on the prospects. The whole " he was being looked at as a second rounder" is completely meaningless. Those are mostly writers who arent professional evaluators giving their opinions in mock drafts. They are guessing. There were many reports in the days leading up to the draft about a growing number of teams and their increasing interest in Beckham. Thats not all the result of a strong combine. The true opinion of the nfl on these prospects isn't available until very late in the process.
But I think he's even better due to the fact Eli has been throwing to him since he was a kid. I don't think Kap would be doing as well with OBJ. Had he gone to GB, NE, Den or Indy I think he wouldn't have missed a beat. Had he gone to an SF or Phi, he still would have been great but probably had more of a Mike Evans or Sammy Watkins type year. Which are great, but not nearly the Herculean style year he had with Eli.
The 49ers picks in the first three rounds and their values
from the trade value chart were -
Round one - 30th pick - 620
Round two - 25th pick - 330
Round three - 6th pick - 240
which totals to 1190.
Our 12th pick in the first round is valued at 1200. So if everyone was going according to the trade value chart, they were trying to trade with us, not ahead of us. Link - ( New Window )
Prior to the 2011 draft where we got Prince at 16,
and free agency and give Eli more protection. With a year under Beckham's belt, Cruz returning and Randle figuring it out...I like the prospects for this offense.
and free agency and give Eli more protection. With a year under Beckham's belt, Cruz returning and Randle figuring it out...I like the prospects for this offense.
It's the defense that worries me. Fewell better be fired, and the team needs to learn how to stop the run.
RE: David Gettleman deserves credit for being the first non-Giant
I really like following the Panthers and Gettlman is a huge reason why. He is one of the most enjoyable GMs to listen to when he gives a press conference because he is blunt and tells it how it is. Complete opposite from Jerry Reese (not a knock, just an observation).
The Gettleman press conference on Kelvin Benjamin was no exception. He said in the conference that there was another guy that he thought might be there but was "long gone". A minute or two later after that comment he was asked about Kelvin Benjamin's route running and he immediately cuts off the reporter and says "The only receiver in the draft who's route running you can't question is Odell Beckham".
Those comments and the Panthers being rumored to have liked ODB in the draft process tells me that Gettleman really liked him.
I remember these comments as well. He also said, as I recall, that Odell was the only receiver in the draft that could already run the entire "route tree". Kid really is something special.
this is exactly a godfather offer but really standard value. Remember they are essentially switching first round picks so really the giants would be dropping 20 spots in the first round to get a very late second and very late 3rd.
Compare that to what the Bills traded for Watkins.
RE: RE: Odell Beckham
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 9 minutes ago
Wow RT @Christian_Gin: Trent Baalke told @957thegame that he held back at trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to move up for Odell Beckham. #49ers
I will never understand this Twitter crap. Who said what to whom in this Twitter mess?
"RT @Christian_Gin: Trent Baalke told @957thegame that he held back at trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to move up for Odell Beckham. #49ers"
Christian Gin is a 49er beat writer. Baalke is the 49er GM. @957thegame is a sports radio station in SF. Gin is having a twitter "conversation" with his followers about the Niners not taking a WR high in the draft and Baalke's interview on the radio. These tweets are excerpts. Read the tweets from the bottom up. ...
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Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
With the way Odell Beckham's stock was rising prior to the NFL Draft. I think the #49ers needed to go top 10, give up even more for him
Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
From listening to Baalke's conversation with @957thegame, it sounds like he could've been targeted after the No. 13 overall pick. #49ers
Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
Baalke on not making the trade for Odell Beckham: "That was a decision, collectively that we weren't willing to make." #49ers @957thegame
Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
Trent Baalke told @957thegame that he held back at trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to move up for Odell Beckham. #49ers
Cause that's all that fucking matters. I would take that in a heartbeat too and I love Beckham.
And you would be absolutely insane to make that trade. Seriously? Are you high?
I disagree djm. Pre-draft I would have said yes and run to the table. You had know idea at that point that Beckham was the pick, and less of an idea what kind of impact he would have had. 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds in a historically deep draft would have been a pretty nice situation for a team that has more holes than a pound of swiss cheese.
sounds great until you realize how far you're dropping down in round 1 and how low the other two picks are in their respective rounds. I don't think that's a "godfather" offer at all.
saying, would you rather have a horse or three ponies.
the potential difference in talent from 12 to 30 is high.
So losing the chance at a talent like Beckham is only worth it if your picks at 30, 60, and 90 are nailed.
the Patriots have done this a lot, but when writers get bored they review it and show how the Pats missed out on guys like Clay Matthews Jr, Dez Bryant, and Michael Oher - who all represented needs for them and the "ponies" they drafted largely failed.
2010 it worked out fantastically for them, but so many other times it's failed.
In short, I don't think you take the risk. If you have a guy at 12 you're committed to and in love with, as a GM and as an organization, you draft that player instead of moving back to 30 and picking up pick 62 and 94 along the way.
be in the top 10 ... and when you do, you are short sighted if you trade down. I can understand trading back from #20 to #32 but not from 10 to 22. When you have that very rare opportunity, you need to make it count and turn it into a Simms, LT., Banks, or Manning. Those impact players provide the foundation that turns into SB rings.
in that I don't like trading down. I'd rather trade up and get the player then trade down. But that's me. If I knew the trade for more picks would work out i'd feel differently but the draft is such a crap shoot. I'd rather just draft the player i'm convinced is a beast.
the poster made it sound like he'd make that trade this very moment.
Yea, I agree re thought he was saying he would make that trade knowing what Beckham has shown. Pre-draft is a completely different story - unless you knew what he was going to do but with Beckham I don't believe anyone knew in advance.
and I was all about Donald or Martin, even though earlier in the day I had a sneaking suspicion that NY liked BEckham a lot, thanks in part to what I read on BBI, I completely forgot about Beckham seconds before our pick. When his name was announced I said out loud "he better fucking be good we passed on a good OL and Dlineman"--and the guy in front of me agreed. We were kind of shocked and a little angry...then I let it settle in and was excited that Eli had a knew toy to play with.
Not many were happy in the stadium that night...little did we know.
was there much hype for Odell? All I honestly remember was Sammy Watkins
In hindsight no way do you take that if offered. Beckham is worth more than that how good he can be. Of course we didn't know that when it happened. And obviously if it was us we offered it, not them.
He also could be full of shit.
He also could be full of shit.
In hindsight, yeah but at the time a lot of people here had some doubts about him. I didn't follow him at all in college so I had no idea what we had in him.
Nice to hit the jackpot for once. I cringed at the thought Beckum was another Ike Hillard.
Nice to hit the jackpot for once. I cringed at the thought Beckum was another Ike Hillard.
It's Beckham.
Go back and see how many teams passed on Ray Lewis too. You just never know
Looking back now, sure he'd go even higher but the two wr before him were also studs.
Sooo happy we got him though. Really wanted a wr but he was talked more about as a late first or 2nd until the combine. As a result, didn't read much about him until shortly before the draft, and don't follow college much.
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.for Beckum.
Nice to hit the jackpot for once. I cringed at the thought Beckum was another Ike Hillard.
It's Beckham.
It's BeckTHECHOSENONE
No way would I trade Beckham for that now. There's virtually no chance you end up with players who, combined, have the impact Beckham is having on this team. Truly great players are invaluable and no trade in the world would be worth their value (LT being the best example - in hindsight I wouldn't have accepted 20 1st round picks to end up watching LT play for a team other than the Giants.
Beckham isn't LT but he looks like a special, special player and right now there isn't an offer that could interest me in letting him go to a different team. Like LT, he's untradable IMO.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/12/eagles_amazed_by_giants_odell_beckham_jr_call_him_best_young_receiver_in_nfl.html
I just love some of these quotes from the Eagles. Even after they tried to take his head off and even after he showed them up by "DeSean-ing" his way into the endzone.
"Best young receiver in the league," cornerback Brandon Boykin said. "By far."
"He is special," defensive coordinator Billy Davis said. "We thought it was best to matchup Cary to Beckham."
"We doubled and bracketed and clouded and stayed over top of him the rest of the game," Davis said
"You have to compete with him," Boykins said. "Because he is going to compete every play...He can do everything."
That doesn't even include Chip Kelly claiming Beckham was his #1 WR prospect during the draft.
I really like following the Panthers and Gettlman is a huge reason why. He is one of the most enjoyable GMs to listen to when he gives a press conference because he is blunt and tells it how it is. Complete opposite from Jerry Reese (not a knock, just an observation).
The Gettleman press conference on Kelvin Benjamin was no exception. He said in the conference that there was another guy that he thought might be there but was "long gone". A minute or two later after that comment he was asked about Kelvin Benjamin's route running and he immediately cuts off the reporter and says "The only receiver in the draft who's route running you can't question is Odell Beckham".
Those comments and the Panthers being rumored to have liked ODB in the draft process tells me that Gettleman really liked him.
They may be stupid, but they beat us eleven out of the last fourteen times we played them. What does that make us?
Defensively inept.
Round one - 30th pick - 620
Round two - 25th pick - 330
Round three - 6th pick - 240
which totals to 1190.
Our 12th pick in the first round is valued at 1200. So if everyone was going according to the trade value chart, they were trying to trade with us, not ahead of us.
Link - ( New Window )
It's the defense that worries me. Fewell better be fired, and the team needs to learn how to stop the run.
I really like following the Panthers and Gettlman is a huge reason why. He is one of the most enjoyable GMs to listen to when he gives a press conference because he is blunt and tells it how it is. Complete opposite from Jerry Reese (not a knock, just an observation).
The Gettleman press conference on Kelvin Benjamin was no exception. He said in the conference that there was another guy that he thought might be there but was "long gone". A minute or two later after that comment he was asked about Kelvin Benjamin's route running and he immediately cuts off the reporter and says "The only receiver in the draft who's route running you can't question is Odell Beckham".
Those comments and the Panthers being rumored to have liked ODB in the draft process tells me that Gettleman really liked him.
I remember these comments as well. He also said, as I recall, that Odell was the only receiver in the draft that could already run the entire "route tree". Kid really is something special.
Compare that to what the Bills traded for Watkins.
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 9 minutes ago
Wow RT @Christian_Gin: Trent Baalke told @957thegame that he held back at trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to move up for Odell Beckham. #49ers
I will never understand this Twitter crap. Who said what to whom in this Twitter mess?
"RT @Christian_Gin: Trent Baalke told @957thegame that he held back at trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to move up for Odell Beckham. #49ers"
Christian Gin is a 49er beat writer. Baalke is the 49er GM. @957thegame is a sports radio station in SF. Gin is having a twitter "conversation" with his followers about the Niners not taking a WR high in the draft and Baalke's interview on the radio. These tweets are excerpts. Read the tweets from the bottom up. ...
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Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
With the way Odell Beckham's stock was rising prior to the NFL Draft. I think the #49ers needed to go top 10, give up even more for him
Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
From listening to Baalke's conversation with @957thegame, it sounds like he could've been targeted after the No. 13 overall pick. #49ers
Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
Baalke on not making the trade for Odell Beckham: "That was a decision, collectively that we weren't willing to make." #49ers @957thegame
Christian Gin @Christian_Gin 12h 12 hours ago
Trent Baalke told @957thegame that he held back at trading a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to move up for Odell Beckham. #49ers
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And you would be absolutely insane to make that trade. Seriously? Are you high?
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Cause that's all that fucking matters. I would take that in a heartbeat too and I love Beckham.
And you would be absolutely insane to make that trade. Seriously? Are you high?
I disagree djm. Pre-draft I would have said yes and run to the table. You had know idea at that point that Beckham was the pick, and less of an idea what kind of impact he would have had. 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds in a historically deep draft would have been a pretty nice situation for a team that has more holes than a pound of swiss cheese.
the potential difference in talent from 12 to 30 is high.
So losing the chance at a talent like Beckham is only worth it if your picks at 30, 60, and 90 are nailed.
the Patriots have done this a lot, but when writers get bored they review it and show how the Pats missed out on guys like Clay Matthews Jr, Dez Bryant, and Michael Oher - who all represented needs for them and the "ponies" they drafted largely failed.
2010 it worked out fantastically for them, but so many other times it's failed.
In short, I don't think you take the risk. If you have a guy at 12 you're committed to and in love with, as a GM and as an organization, you draft that player instead of moving back to 30 and picking up pick 62 and 94 along the way.
Yea, I agree re thought he was saying he would make that trade knowing what Beckham has shown. Pre-draft is a completely different story - unless you knew what he was going to do but with Beckham I don't believe anyone knew in advance.
Not many were happy in the stadium that night...little did we know.