for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Love team but what ownership is doing is unfair to the fans

Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/3/2015 1:46 pm
I appreciate continuity and how the organization treats it's employees with more class than most. It certainly has it's place but to a point.

When the same issues on Defense rear their ugly head year after year and you turn a blind eye toward it that is unacceptable.

Our blind loyalty is unfair to the fans and greatly affects the quality of the product on the field.

Fewell's defense has broken historical records for ineptitude and quite truthfully should have been replaced 1-2 years ago.

Many may feel alot falls on the players and it may to an extent but DC is perhaps one of the most important coaching positions in ALL of sports.

We saw similiar defensive personell win a Superbowl going from Lewis to Spagnuolo in his first year here.

We saw Cowher win a superbowl when he brought in LeBeau. We saw the Rams win one when they brought in Lovie Smith etc.

The blind loyalty of ownership and Coughlin and desire to shelter and protect their own is clouding their judgement.

We saw a sizeable leap in the offense when Gilbride was replaced despite probably being one of the least talented units we've ever had under TC.

I see a similar big jump especially if JPP is retained IF we finally make the right (well overdue) move of replacing Fewell with a DC that takes advantage of our players strengths not hinders them with confusing schemes and zone coverages.

Don't throw another year down the toilet Gmen. It's time we have both an OC and DC that put their players in best position to succeed.
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
I wanted  
JoefromPa : 1/3/2015 1:55 pm : link
Fewell out 3 years ago, long before it became BBI s obsession, I still want him out. However, they proved before they could win with this middle of the road before. Him coming back is not the complete disaster we all make it out to be.

If the Giants can get and stay healthy, continue to pressure the quarterback, Fewell s defense can be a top 15 defense. That should be good enough.
Middle of road  
JoefromPa : 1/3/2015 1:56 pm : link
Coach.
RE: I wanted  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/3/2015 2:00 pm : link
In comment 12069769 JoefromPa said:
Quote:
Fewell out 3 years ago, long before it became BBI s obsession, I still want him out. However, they proved before they could win with this middle of the road before. Him coming back is not the complete disaster we all make it out to be.

If the Giants can get and stay healthy, continue to pressure the quarterback, Fewell s defense can be a top 15 defense. That should be good enough.


Joe he has had one good 6 game stretch in 5 years where he made adjustments going away from his own defensive philosophies/tendencies to do so.

One 6 game stretch and a bunch of mediocrity and inconsistency.

You can't keep blindly going back to the Well.
newsflash  
ImThatGuy : 1/3/2015 2:06 pm : link
the Giants don't care how you spend your sundays
We have had all of the press conferences already..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 1/3/2015 2:09 pm : link
after the last game of the season. The one thing that REALLY pissed me off was during Mara's speech. He basically said he does not have to answer to anyone and/or does not owe anyone an explanation regarding his decisions.

My guess is that he would like to have those words back. However, as someone who paid too much for his PSLs and then a lot of money for season tickets year after year... I find his comment there to be unacceptable and one I would expect from someone like Daniel Snyder.
RE: newsflash  
RDJR : 1/3/2015 2:09 pm : link
In comment 12069786 ImThatGuy said:
Quote:
the Giants don't care how you spend your sundays


Don't believe that for a minute. It's a business and every dollar counts.
RE: newsflash  
phil fromphilly : 1/3/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12069786 ImThatGuy said:
Quote:
the Giants don't care how you spend your sundays


They don't care how 1 person spends their Sundays but will care if people stop showing up next season. If by game 4 they are 0-4 or 1-3 the fans need to hold a ticket burning. Don't sell your tickets to other fans who will go into the stadium and spend money. The only way that ownership listens to fans is when their revenue suffers. If people don't go to the game and buy merchandise and food then they are stuck paying all of the workers, have to toss all of the food and they will take notice.
those digital billboards and the air war  
thrunthrublue : 1/3/2015 2:16 pm : link
caused the jets to clean house.....
Ownership is going to clean house next  
SanFranGiantsFan : 1/3/2015 2:19 pm : link
January if we're not in the playoffs. I think the edict from on high was pretty damn clear.
The PSL era  
arnief : 1/3/2015 2:21 pm : link
has insulated the profits for the owners. Things will change when John Mara decides he's had enough of losing to Jerry Jones and Chip Kelly who owns Coughlin & Fewell already. I'll say this if the Giants had lost the Washington home game there's better than 50/50 chance they'd be shopping for a new head coach right now. Another year of 0-4 vs the Eagles and Jones and a loss to Washington next year and Coughlin will finally be gone.
RE: Ownership is going to clean house next  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/3/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12069803 SanFranGiantsFan said:
Quote:
January if we're not in the playoffs. I think the edict from on high was pretty damn clear.


He said last season (2013) was unacceptable, too. So much for that. He's a bullshitter just like the rest of them, sadly.
Is it official that Perry Awful is returning?  
Giants2012 : 1/3/2015 2:22 pm : link
Anybody?
Dave  
SanFranGiantsFan : 1/3/2015 2:25 pm : link
I'll be freaking shocked if TC & the rest aren't gone if we have another '13, '14 like season.

Everyone is coaching for their jobs.
If Fewell is retained  
Ben in Tampa : 1/3/2015 2:34 pm : link
I expect he won't last the season. Of course, It will be too late at that point for the Giants, but they'll need a head for the mob.
I am all for Fewell and Quinn getting the ax  
BlueHurricane : 1/3/2015 2:37 pm : link
But if they don't I can't fault them. They won a Superbowl with both just a few years ago (to disregard that is just acting like a spoiled baby)

If TC decides to let his fate ride with those two than so be it. He will win with them or be fired next year. Hopefully with better health they will have a better squad next year.
Tom Coughlin  
RetroJint : 1/3/2015 2:43 pm : link
has given Giants fans more than they could have ever dreamed for. He has not been unduly loyal to anyone. If he thinks Fewell is his best play in a win-or-else season, and you complain, that says more about your loyalty issues. By the way, the Giants dont owe you anything. You are not a shareholder. What you are is an emotional stakeholder. I hear that a lot now. Giants fans are owed something. In the NL, I have rooted for the Cubs for 50 years. I have a Cubs hoodie on right now. They do not owe me anything.
Get a grip  
AnnapolisMike : 1/3/2015 2:50 pm : link
This teams ownership has given fans 4 Super Bowls. Go down to DC and see how well a knee Jerk ownership style has served Washington fans. For better or worse this teams ownership steers a steady course and it has served them and the fans well in the past.

I may not agree with the status quo.... But the argument that the problem is a thin roster and injuries is hard to counter. Perhaps TC drew a line in the sand over Fewell. Does ownership really want to get into a pissing match with the guy they still believe in and brought you two Superbowls?

My guess is that Fewell is still gone. Why would they leave him twisting in the wind like they are if the decision to keep him was made already?

RE: Tom Coughlin  
Giants2012 : 1/3/2015 3:04 pm : link
In comment 12069833 RetroJint said:
Quote:
By the way, the Giants dont owe you anything. You are not a shareholder. What you are is an emotional stakeholder.


On behalf of the PSL owners who are forced to buy preseason scrimmages at the cost of a regular season game, (blank you). We do have a vested interest.
Oh, look..  
arcarsenal : 1/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
Another whiny thread about how the Giants aren't doing things fast enough for certain fans.

There have only been about 1,000 of these the past week.

Maybe, just maybe.. they have a plan? Maybe we'll see what it is in the coming days/weeks?

Complain away when there's an announcement that Fewell and Quinn are coming back. Until then? Calm the fuck down?
Two things:  
Blackbeard : 1/3/2015 3:15 pm : link
Excessive loyalty by owners? Were there potential DCs available that TC thought better of than PF over the last 2-3 yrs?
Key word, "available".

Secondly, are the Maras really as smart as many here on BBI think ?
Key word, "many". I don't think they are half as smart as the Krafts, who own the Pats.
People still don't get it  
oldutican : 1/3/2015 3:15 pm : link
Fewell's defense is Coughlin's defense. He likes how Fewell does things. That's why he hired and keeps him. So no more excuses for Coughlin. He owns all the coaching strategies and decisions.
RE: RE: Tom Coughlin  
AnnapolisMike : 1/3/2015 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12069862 Giants2012 said:
Quote:
In comment 12069833 RetroJint said:


Quote:


By the way, the Giants dont owe you anything. You are not a shareholder. What you are is an emotional stakeholder.



On behalf of the PSL owners who are forced to buy preseason scrimmages at the cost of a regular season game, (blank you). We do have a vested interest.


You knew what you were buying. Do you really think the Giants are trying to screw the fans? If this team had no injury issues and sucked... Then TC would have been shown the door. The team is making rational decisions based on information of how things transpired. I hope they make the right ones. Occasionally they do.
RE: Oh, look..  
UberAlias : 1/3/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12069866 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Another whiny thread about how the Giants aren't doing things fast enough for certain fans.

There have only been about 1,000 of these the past week.

Maybe, just maybe.. they have a plan? Maybe we'll see what it is in the coming days/weeks?

Complain away when there's an announcement that Fewell and Quinn are coming back. Until then? Calm the fuck down?


Agreed. All this whining is immature and honestly pathetic.
Ownership should have cleaned house two years ago.  
Red Dog : 1/3/2015 3:24 pm : link
But they will blunder on blindly until the fans force a change. By then the core of the team (especially Eli) will be at a point that they will be gone by the time the rest of the structure is rebuilt.

This is looking like the beginning of another "fifteen years of lousy football."
Not 15 years of lousy footbal  
arnief : 1/3/2015 3:32 pm : link
not close. But post 1990 Giants football? Absolutely. Only 4 seasons with a playoff win. 7 years between playoff wins from 1993 to 2007. The Giants had the 3 great seasons 2 of them ending with Lombardi trophies and one last hurrah for the Parcells/Simms/Taylor teams in 1993 with one last playoff win. Aside from those 4 years a lot of average to below average football since 1990.
The Maras aren't half as smart as the Krafts?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/3/2015 3:33 pm : link
Here's Two Numbers For You To Swallow.

42 & 46!!
Some of guys should root for the Jets.  
BlueHurricane : 1/3/2015 3:40 pm : link
No team has had it better since the mid 80's than this team. I'll take 4-5 years of suck for a Lombardi sandwiched between every time. Most other teams fans would too.

Aside from the Steelers and maybe the Pats not one fanbase wouldn't trade positions with Giants fans.
Sometimes I wonder what some of you  
jcn56 : 1/3/2015 3:49 pm : link
guys are watching.

We have a FO and coaching staff who have delivered two SB victories in a ten year span.

After three down years, some want them gone. OK, impatient but with some justification maybe reasonable. But to imply that management doesn't give a shit, that they're clueless, that they all just magically know better because the results have been wise than usual is just petty nonsense.
RE: RE: RE: Tom Coughlin  
Giants2012 : 1/3/2015 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12069881 AnnapolisMike said:
Quote:
In comment 12069862 Giants2012 said:


Quote:


In comment 12069833 RetroJint said:


Quote:


By the way, the Giants dont owe you anything. You are not a shareholder. What you are is an emotional stakeholder.



On behalf of the PSL owners who are forced to buy preseason scrimmages at the cost of a regular season game, (blank you). We do have a vested interest.



You knew what you were buying. Do you really think the Giants are trying to screw the fans? If this team had no injury issues and sucked... Then TC would have been shown the door. The team is making rational decisions based on information of how things transpired. I hope they make the right ones. Occasionally they do.


I love your type of fan which mixes the salad. One says the Giants owe fans nothing and other days "you knew what you were buying".

1. Without the fans there is no NFL so those who think the NFL doesn't owe fans should STFU b/c we collectively we give more than we get.

2. The PSL's say it all

3. No PSL owner knew what they were getting. We had no idea the stadium experience would be shit compared to yesteryear (And you have to be at the stadium to understand it's more than the team). We also had no idea the Giants, for the 2nd year in a row, botched their own website which did not allow season ticket holders the opportunity to even donate their first preseason game. The site didn't work.

4. We had no idea flex schedules were coming. Ask how many Steelers fans knew tiered pricing was coming based on predetermined opponents.

Sure, to certain extent the season ticket holders knew some but it's asinine for anybody to say the Giants owe you nothing and the PSL holders knew what they were in for.
How dare you question the professionals!  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/3/2015 3:54 pm : link
They're always right, as evidenced by the past three seasons. What are you, blind?!
Are you folks serious  
NEJINTSFAN : 1/3/2015 4:12 pm : link
Trashing the NYG ownership?

During the SB era there are only 5 teams with 4 or more SB rings:

Steelers: 6
Cowboys: 5
Niners: 5
NYG & Packers: 4

More recently, since TC has been HC only the NYG and Steelers have 2 SB wins and TC is the only HC with 2 SB rings during that span.

This includes the following HCs:
Belichick
Cowher
Dungy
Tomlin
Payton
McCarthy
John Harbaugh
Carroll


A pretty prestigious list. Let's not take what ownership has done for granted. There are plenty of towns/teams that haven't come close to even sniffing this level of success. The NFL is brutal- parity punishes winners and rewards the losers. We shouldn't lose site of what the Giants, Mara, and TC have accomplished (yes the same organization that was being panned on this board is 10 years ago for sticking with TC).

RE: Ownership is going to clean house next  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/3/2015 4:16 pm : link
In comment 12069803 SanFranGiantsFan said:
Quote:
January if we're not in the playoffs. I think the edict from on high was pretty damn clear.


We've heard the status quo is unacceptable mantra from Mara 2 years ago. Well guess what? it's been status quo with this D no matter what type of reinforcements Reese brings in. Mara right now looks like a fraud unless a change is made.

If they want to play the continuity game and not look for a Fangio type then Spags needs to be brought here pronto at minumum. Its absolutely astonishing they are even considering bringing back Quinn.
gimme  
spike : 1/3/2015 4:25 pm : link
Wade freakin Philips for DC!
RE: How dare you question the professionals!  
Giants2012 : 1/3/2015 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12069940 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
They're always right, as evidenced by the past three seasons. What are you, blind?!


lol - I know. How could so many fans who questioned the remaining tread on the tires of Diehl, Baas, Snee or Boothe? Even the owner himself questioned why it took so long to see if Jernigan could play. Was it ok to question why Clint Sintim was drafted? I do believe quite a few fans here have more than two brain cells rubbing together upstairs.
There were zero Superbowl rings  
Josh in MD : 1/3/2015 4:44 pm : link
when Wellington Mara was making executive decisions, and none in sight, only year after year of lousy football. When Giant fans finally rebelled, the NFL pressured Mara into yielding control. Young-Accorsi-Reese have brought in 4 championships, but in the last couple of years, as the ship has sunk deeper, the Maras suddenly are again the face of the franchise and sounding as if they are calling the shots. For a Giants-lover this is very scary. And it got a lot scarier in the last few days as John M told us the team's troubles were essentially due to injuries and that his plan to improve is to hope for better luck.
RE: gimme  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/3/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12069989 spike said:
Quote:
Wade freakin Philips for DC!


For this continuity obsessed ownership it's likely Spags or Fewell.
RE: If Fewell is retained  
81_Great_Dane : 1/3/2015 5:36 pm : link
In comment 12069826 Ben in Tampa said:
Quote:
I expect he won't last the season. Of course, It will be too late at that point for the Giants, but they'll need a head for the mob.
It would be VERY out of character for the Giants to fire a coordinator in mid-season. For good reason: It's nearly impossible to put in a new defense or offense in mid-season with today's practice restrictions, so they'd have to promote an assistant to run the same defense. What's the point?
Staff coming back gives TC a chance to win  
micky : 1/3/2015 5:59 pm : link
for 15' than a change and unfamilarity to new D system and etc. Contunuity gives them a chance for next season. If TC is extended long-term then change would be more understandable
The Giants fired Hufnagel mid season  
arnief : 1/3/2015 6:05 pm : link
they paid him for the full season but moved him out mid season. Continuity is overrated when there's a long track record of incompetence. Fewell is over matched. Whether it's Rolle on WFAN saying we lost the chess match several times this year but it's on the players anyway or coaches who post here and usually defend the coaching staff no matter what blasting Fewell's schemes. He needs to go or it will just be more of the same.
Look Johnny Boy knows that  
Dye Job : 1/3/2015 6:23 pm : link
the same people who were foolish enough to fall for his PSL Ponzi scheme will be stupid enough to follow his inferior product regardless. Your kids may not be able to attend college but at least you'll be freezing your butt off in December watching another 6 and 10 finish. Enjoy!
Man you spoiled babies are making me want Fewell to be retained  
BlueHurricane : 1/3/2015 7:11 pm : link
And have him and TC give you all nice big shit burger to eat with ring number 5.
But it's not going to happen.  
Red Dog : 1/3/2015 7:25 pm : link
.
If Mara's primary interest is making money (and I think it is)  
Marty in Albany : 1/3/2015 8:49 pm : link
And if Reese's and TC's primary interest is winning,(and I think it is) then why would Fewell and Quinn be retained unless Mara, TC, and Reese truly believe that Fewell and Quinn are the best guys available.
RE: If Mara's primary interest is making money (and I think it is)  
Jolly_Blue_Giant : 1/3/2015 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12070463 Marty in Albany said:
Quote:
And if Reese's and TC's primary interest is winning,(and I think it is) then why would Fewell and Quinn be retained unless Mara, TC, and Reese truly believe that Fewell and Quinn are the best guys available.


Many have goals that are hindered by their own personal biases and/or philosophies. Sure I'd love to be a millionaire but it doesn't automatically mean I have the best approach to get there either.
RE: If Mara's primary interest is making money (and I think it is)  
Gmen703 : 1/3/2015 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12070463 Marty in Albany said:
Quote:
And if Reese's and TC's primary interest is winning,(and I think it is) then why would Fewell and Quinn be retained unless Mara, TC, and Reese truly believe that Fewell and Quinn are the best guys available.


Marty, you're making too much sense. I'd venture to say that both are given the axe. What's that line that they say about insanity...doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
I think one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read  
jcn56 : 1/3/2015 9:27 pm : link
is that the PSLs have negated the need for the Giants to win games, because the Giants already sell out.

I'm not sure how long you've been following, but I spent the better part of adulthood on a waiting list because the Giants were - you guessed it - sold out.

Many of those years were non-playoff bearing, and only two SB appearances. And yet, sold out solid, no chance of getting tickets unless thousands of people ahead of me said no first.

Obviously, the Giants management loses money if we don't make the playoffs. Fewer games played, fewer concessions, gate receipts, games broadcasted, merchandise sold, etc.

It's in the Mara's best interest financially for the team to do well. To imply that all they care about is money and not winning is stupidity of the highest order.
The two  
Arcanum : 1/3/2015 9:53 pm : link
Super Bowls are well appreciated. But these last 3 years have been as bad as I can remember. And according to the giants record, they're getting worse by the season. They've been shut out at least 5 times on offense. And The defense are getting all kinds of records set on them. To me, it's embarrassing.
The Giants are making decisions they feel will help them win  
Ralph.C : 1/3/2015 10:06 pm : link
They are not keeping coaches or players out of loyalty. We won a Super Bowl with Perry once and we can do it again. Hiring another DC at this time makes no sense.
When did Giants fans become  
Peter in Atlanta : 1/3/2015 10:11 pm : link
Yankees fans?
disagree  
NYG4246 : 1/3/2015 10:51 pm : link

"When the same issues on Defense rear their ugly head year after year and you turn a blind eye toward it that is unacceptable"

-----------same issues? This D was 8th in 2013.
lead nfl in takeaways in 2010.
won SB in 2011.


"We saw a sizeable leap in the offense when Gilbride was replaced despite probably being one of the least talented units we've ever had under TC".

----still cannot run the ball, havent been able to do so since 2010..



this team was decimated by injuries. stop fucking crying and ryde with your team.

GO GIANTS
Pages: 1 2 | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner